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ogugua88: [size=13pt]Lmao, well na you sabi. I'm an honest person. I don't like to hurt feelings, but I know that the truth is less painful than a lie. There have been times where I have been given gifts or other things and I expressed displeasure. My reaction wasn't what they expected, but it wasn't the end of the world either.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for the day you and I agree 100%. Aren't you tired of always being wrong? Lmao.[/size]

Lol. I agree with all you've said and yes, that's how it should be. Most 'manuals' on relationships & marriage will probably re-echo your views. BUT, humans are different and what works with A wil not necessarily work with B. Yes, we must have principles but there are some times you have to compromise on those principles a little just because of others.

Like you, I belong to the category of people who like to hear the truth ALWAYS, but I know everyone is NOT like me! Its not altogether their fault, we are wired differently. Ogugua,if your 80 year old grandmum(lets assume she's 80.lol) gives you a birthday gift you are not impressed with or you don't like, do you think it will be practical for you to express your true feelings? Yeah I know you are not dating your grandmum but even with couples, episodes are abound.


Your spouse spends hours in d kitchen trying a new recipe (maybe a surprise to showcase his 'wonderful' *actually below average* culinary skills), and the end result is not what it should be or it turns out to be something that comes quite close to making you puke. he asks you "Darling, how is the food"? Your honest and very truthful answer at that point should be "It tastes like crap". Now, Mr A may be able to handle such answer and may laugh it off but with Mr. B, you might just ruin that night.

Anyway, at this point i think you should ask your married friends and relatives (maybe even your parents...individually of course) if it pays to speak the truth 100% of the time in a marriage/relationship.

Heehehehe...I do agree with you 100% on a lot of things; I've specially acknowledged this in at least 2 of my posts on nairaland...lol....& I've also sharply disagreed with you on some others, but its not everything we should/can argue/discuss about...especially in public..lol & then of course for certain things, you'll eventually see the light sooner or later

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ogugua88: [size=13pt]A foolish Obi will say he loves the shirt and proceed to hide it in the darkest corners of his closet. Later, Ada will ask him "where is the shirt I bought you and why don't you ever wear it?" A flustered Obi will probably lie to cover the first lie. If he lies again, a sharp Ada will ask him to wear it. Don't be surprised if she asks him to wear it to one family and friend gathering lol. Obi will either make excuses to not wear the shirt or wear it unhappily. Ada, sharp babe, go corner am dey vex. "Ehnnnnn, so you don't like the shirt! Why didn't you tell me you didn't like it before?! You wan throw my N13k into your closet to collect dust abi?! So you can lie about a common shirt abi?! What else have you lied about?! Get up from your knees abeg!! So that day when I wore striped dress and you said I look lovely nko??!?! Why are you crying?!?!?!" Omo see gobe lol.

A smart Obi will say "Nwanyi oma (lol), thank you for the gifts. That was very thoughtful, but I'm not a fan of striped shirts." Then, Ada, slightly saddened, would say, "awww, I was hoping you would like it obi'm. No problem. I can exchange it and find something that you like. All that matters is your happiness. It's your birthday after all."

So, as you can see, honesty is simple and freeing lol.[/size]

See your mouth Like if you were Obi you'll really have the heart to say you don't like it at that point.lol. Later Ada will come on nairaland, open thread and start complaining about how nigerian men are ungrateful coz she saved and bought her boyfriend a shirt only for him to say he doesn't like it "just because it is striped!" *trust me she would have forgotten the preceding endearments and compliments*.

A smart and caring Obi will say ohh, he likes the shirt, its lovely (at least for that moment) and then will keep it at the back of his cupboard. One day, he may decide to try it on, looks into the mirror & is suddenly goes like "it's not so bad afterall"! he will have to lie because he knows that even the slightest hint that he doesnt like the shirt will dampen his Nwanyi Oma's feelings...something he so doesnt want.


Again, sometimes you have to tell a little lie just because you care about the other person's feelings...but they must be few and far between...& this 'privilege' must not be 'misused'.

I believe you sha get my point by now

*if you still don't, I'll just vex & drop another very possible real-life scenario that you won't be able to find an answer for soo easily *

ogugua88: [size=13pt]There's no such thing as a harmless lie, but try to give an example lol.

Most people would rather hear a painful truth than a harmless or sweet lie. Lying to a loved one is disrespectful. If I can't tell someone whom I love the truth, then there's no point in being in that relationship.

What's funny about lies is that often times, the truth comes out and the person affected is more hurt by the "lie and then eventual truth" method versus the plain truth. The liar tends to feel like crap too lol.[/size]

Funny enuf, i'm in that category but like you said, its 'most'people, not 'all' people.

Here's an example:

Ada is dating Obi. Its Obi's birthday and Ada buys him an expensive Hawes & Curtis striped shirt for 13k despite the fact that the most expensive shirt in her own wardrobe costs 6k. Now, Obi wears mostly plain shirts to work and does not fancy striped shirts at all (only stops short of hating them)and this is a subject that has never come up for discussion between both. In the evening after work, Ada gives Obi the shirt with soo much excitement & love in her eyes and asks Obi, "DO YOU LIKE IT DEAR"?
He knows fully well that Ada earns 40k monthly and she has just bought him a 13k shirt

Ogugua, what should Obi say?

& this is a very very realistic scenario of which i'm sure something similiar has happened to lots of people.

ogugua88: [size=13pt]If/when a loved one finds out, will he or she feel loved and cared for?[/size]

With the kind of lie i'm talking about, YES, if that partner knows what love is.

I posted this earlier:

[quote author=Find Out!]There are some 'good' lies though

....but of course they've got to be relatively 'harmless' lies...lies which cannot threaten d relationship even when the truth is discovered...& they've got to be few & far between. if you have to lie frequently, something's definitely wrong & you had best solve the problem.


You cannot be a very loving husband if you tell your wife the complete truth every time [/quote]You should get my drift now or you want me to give an example?

ogugua88: [size=13pt]Not in a relationship, especially if you want it to last. The best thing to do in a relationship is be honest and keep a clean slate. Honesty is one of the strongest, if not the strongest, building blocks in a relationship.[/size]

Yeah you are right & I detest lies like everyone else but I think that sometimes, you have to lie to people you love and care about BECAUSE you love and care about them.

Most Nairalanders: the chicken crossed the road because it wanted to make frontpage.

Fashola: The chicken, registration number HENOO7 crossed Obafemi Awolowo road at the 3rd traffic light just before the 2nd junction linking Governor's road, because it wanted to have a view of the new Eko antlantic city which is 63.74% completed and will be delivered to Lagosians by 12 noon on the 14th of december 2013.

Mr Cork: The chikcen cross the raod because it wanted to see white womens and the albino sexskiss and his fellow MOD oquaqua caused it. no oooffeinse .

Sincere9gerian: GEJ built a new ultramodern poultry on the other side of the road and the ACN thugs had been maltreating the chicken on the other side thats why it had to get a taste of the fresh air and cross the road. GEJ is working.

Gbawe: Chickenarians wont cease to amaze me. this is what you get when chickens vote in an incompetent leader who cannot seem to enforce the constitution in which it is clearly stated that no chickens can cross the road. if they must cross the road, it must be with a permit but who issues permits these days? Chickens just cross as they deem fit without bothering to check for human and vehicular traffic.

*4 paragraphs later*

We must hold our leaders accountable and insist they deliver. The chickenarians must do this or else the entire country will continually be held to ransom. The president of chickenia must immediately invoke the relevant portions of the constitution to stem this tide. All erring chickens must be dealt with and there must be no sacred cows. this must be done if the country of Chickenia must remain at the top.


Musiwa: Yes, i knew it. my satellite maps will show you the entire journey of the chicken. See, the chicken has to crosss to the order side because that is the best place for it to be. What i'm saying is that Odua republic is on the other side and for the chicken to successfully become the president, it must get 2 million votes fronm there. See the maps.


Inspired_m: Actually, we recognise that it is unsafe for the chicken to cross the road and thats why Inspired Autos will be bringing the very first Chicken Mobile (4 wheel drive, very clean interior, low mileage, reverse camera, tinted windows) to Nigeria. Very first of its kind. Comes with 6 months inspired warranty.


No oofeinsesese


For the record, I'm a fan of sorts of more than 2 of the people above

ogugua88: [size=13pt]Then try not to lie, or don't lie deliberately [/size]

100% in agreemment...but d bolded is still wayo To add tho, lie only when it's d most sensible & selfless thing to do at that point

ogugua88: [size=13pt]Never lie [/size]

'Un'possible

There are some 'good' lies though

....but of course they've got to be relatively 'harmless' lies...lies which cannot threaten d relationship even when the truth is discovered...& they've got to be few & far between. if you have to lie frequently, something's definitely wrong & you had best solve the problem.


You cannot be a very loving husband if you tell your wife the complete truth every time

BetaThings: I don't think we should all pile in and overwhelm her. She has done us a lot of good, by the grace of Allah, by sharing her experience. Not many can do that. I respect and commend her for that. And it is not an accident
She will come back into the fold, insha Allah
He brain will be useful for dawah and her excellent writing skills need to be applied to a an authentic book on how she reverted to Islam after a lot of troubled moves
It will happen, the first steps have been taken but we have to be patient

Salaam

Hmmm.... I totally agree sha. Aaaameeen.

Now we know the sponsors of terrorism and unrest in the country. No wonder MEND is very angry with their uncle kingsley and Bros Jona.

[quote author=isale_gan2]This is a great post. Do not apologise for the length of your thoughts. You have passion and you want to communicate it.[/quote]Thanks. You understand

Tbaba, very insightful post up there.

To me, this is just Big daddy versus EOD all over again. As far as aesthetics go, the 2013 Accord thoroughly thrashes the Camry in and out! Reliabiity, fuel economy n all the rest wil be almost the same for both anyway.

naijababe: . I don't think people make bad assumptions about God though.

Actually the concept of deism does make bad and terrible assumptions about God as it effectively denies the existence of God's user manual for what he created; and also posits that God has abandoned the universe and people whose affairs he actually tends to daily without sleep nor slumber

naijababe: Findout! This is a better definition of deism:

Deism is the recognition of a universal creative force greater than that demonstrated by mankind, supported by personal observation of laws and designs in nature and the universe, perpetuated and validated by the innate ability of human reason coupled with the rejection of claims made by individuals and organized religions of having received special divine revelation.

Lol. Islam is more than this. the Qur'an is more than this. And well, I think you know it.

"Innate ability of human reason". Lol

“How little you reflect” (A’raf 7:3)

“Do they not contemplate the Qur’an? Had it been from any other than God, they would surely have found in it much inconsistency” (Nisa 4:82)

“And in the alteration of night and day, and in the provision (rain) God sends down from the sky and reviving thereby the earth after its death, and His turning about of the winds there are clear signs for a people who are able to reason” (Jathiya 45:5)

We set out in detail the signs for people who will reason and understand” (Rum 30:28).

Nuff said. The Qur'an is complete. Alhamdulilah

*appreciation to google for helping me hunt out these verses *

I usually say that several muslims and xtians do not live up to/obey the dictates of their religion.lol. I can well extend a similiar theory to Deism. Naijababe, I know its not possible o, but if EVERY Deist EFFECTIVELY adopts the REASONING approach towards this life and God's existence, and they come across the Qur'an, I expect to see them rushing into the fold of Islam.

Come back

maclatunji: Kai, sheikhs have entered lecture mode and her delivering hot sermons O.

I just want to ask Naijababe questions at the moment.

*scrolls up to view previous comments & realises Mac is reffering to a group of people that may include me!*

Sheikh ke? For where? Don't think it o.lol. You'll observe that my posts are not so heavily laden with Quranic verses and hadeeth quotes and all...coz I can't say i know many offhand/verbatim.

I'm just a very very regular guy still striving o, I'm far from being an excellent muslim in some areas but InshaAllah, some key aspects, I do not and InshaAllah will never treat with levity. I need not look farther than my own family - from my parents' lives before they finally had kids to my mum's battles especially in recent years- to see examples of how Allah can afflict a person with trials, and the rewards of remaining steadfast and refusing to abandon Islam for anything else.

Its those things that fuelled my serious interest in cases like naijababe's and the reason for my epistles in this matter *tho i confess i unconsiously write 'epistles' on any topic i'm interested in sha*

naijababe: Find out!, why do you had to go Freudian on me ?

I have always been able to separate the faith from the adherents. I do not have a problem with muslims, even bad ones. I have a problem with the faith and can't seem to get over it.

Lol. I didn't exactly go freudian per se but lets just say "There's nothing new under the sun"

Now, having just newly been introduced to the word (not the concept tho) of Deism, i decided to actually get a definition. Here's what i found:

de·ism (dzm, d-)
n.
The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deism

The definition itself is a huge contradiction o!


1) Has God abandoned the universe? Obviously not.

2) Does god have control over life? Obviously yes.

3) Does God exert influence on natural phenomena? Obviously yes.

I used the word 'obviously' because I believe that REASONING + belief in God + real world experiences around and about us should be enuf to answer these questions correctly as i did.

Now to Question 4,

4)Did God give any supernatural revelation? Reason here is also sufficient to say yes. infact i guess the question 9if any) should be that WHAT is(are) the supernatural revelations, not a matter of IF.

It's neither plausible nor realistic that a Being will go to such lenghts as to create{manufacture, invent} the Universe (as the deist accepts), create people to inhabit that universe, monitor and control and protect EACH person, and still not send down a revelation {user manual} for the people he creates and devotes his attention to follow and understand if they are to successfully live in the temporary home he created them on (earth) and more importantly, how they can be successful in the hereafter.

What is that supernatural revelation that encompasses ALL others before it and is the USER MANUAL? Beyond all doubts, it is the Al-Qur'an. *thats another topic entirely sha...which I know you'll be familiar with but may need to refresh your memory on*

naijababe: In other words you want to be certain I did not leave Islam because of him, right?

Well, luckily for both of us (that is naijaman and i) he is xtian by name only and I met him 7 months after I became a christian.

Mac, I was hoping that by stating why he is one of my role models you will get an idea of my psyche and probably be able to do a bit of behavioural analysis on me. I didn't succeed then on that note then .

I am also guessing you will ask what happened to Lexy? I prefer to not go into the details, suffice to say he added to anguish albeit unknowingly. I chose not say anything about that part because he does not deserve to have his shi.t laid bare on a public forum without his knowledge.

Absolutely NOT surprised.lol

maclatunji: @Naijababe. In the beginning of your story, you set a background and look at the bolded about your husband. Your story of leaving Islam does not refer to your husband at all. How com you set his character as a background to a story he did not feature in? At least, we have a little insight into how the other people might have influenced your personality and current beliefs, not so for your husband.

This is just the first question in a group of questions I have for you.

Hmmm... I have a hunch that the answer to that is this:

her hubby is a very wonderful person who may not also be into religion that much. So naijababe looks at her husband and sees a quiet reserved gentleman who is of very good character and an excellent husband and father (a bit in the mould of or better than her own father and grandfather) and yet he doesnt 'carry religion on his head' or may not even 'send' religion at all. Then she sees some other 'so-called' devout muslims and xtians with horrible characters and she's like why are people deceiving themselves!......etc etc

The above is just my hypothesis o!

Naijababe, your mum's accident was a trial, and that shouldn't be unexpected as a muslim. Your faith was (still is) being tested, as the faiths of those who were very dear to Allah were tested...to see if they would stand firm! To see if they would reflect on Allah's grace and favours in the past and remain steadfast. To see if you will rely on Allah to make things better. To see if you will truly acknowledge that Allah is the greatest and he does what He wants, to whoever He wants and whenever He wants.

Alhumdulilah that you acknowledge the existence of God. But you also must remember that the reason for the Qur'an and the Prophet Mohammed is to serve as a GUIDANCE to mankind who I believe you must still acknowedge Allah created.

You have kids. You gave birth to them even though quite frankly, you more or less served as just a passage, a route for them to come into the world. I say a passage because you were not the one sustaining them in the womb, infact you didnt put them there. Allah simply blessed the effort you and Oga made in private and also allowed the passage 9 months later to go through successfully (note that several people all around the world -from time immemorial till the world ends, no matter how well science n tech n healthcare develops- have not been and will not be that lucky).

Why did i enter reproduction matter? it is simply to point out that despite the fact that you didnt in the real sense (or any sense for that matter) create your kids, you are raising them (again Allah is the one who watches over us all), you still expect some certain standards from them. You expect them to do certain things and stay away from certain things, right or wrong. If you had the time, you would have written your own Book of Guidance for them on how to live their lives which you'll strongly advise/expect (or almost force.lol) them to follow and if they ask why, you'll probably mention 2 things among others:

a) That you carried them in your womb for 9 months, took care of them, catered for their needs, changed their dirty nappies, protected them e.t.c.

and

b) That they should follow the commandments in the book because it is best for them even when the commandments/advice may seem weird or difficult.

And that's just you, a human being.

Allah has done, and is still doing soooooo much more for us, soooo much more. We cannot just keep living our lives (which we owe to Him) the way we like. There must be order for sanity to prevail. We must follow a code...especially when that code is to our benefit. the cod is the Qur'an. His prescribed and accepted way of life for us is ISLAM, the 5 pillars of which i'm sure you are familiar with. Each day we wake up, leave our homes, return and go to bed is indeed a serious gift. here on nairaland, everyday we read stories, good and bad, that should make us appreciate Allah more. Bad things also happen to good people just as good things happen to bad people. The being who arranges all of that asked us to always pray to Him for bad things npt to happen to us. He also said we should have faith in Him and he also said he will test this faith.

He has also said that among those who disobey Him (many of them in fact), He will bless them abundantly on earth, give them all the things they want without asking, generally make them live the good life MAYBE they will reflect upon all that and turn toewards him in repentance and obey His commandments. But he also promised them that if they fail to do these simple things (summarised in d 5 pillars), that a terrible and grevious punishment awaits them. But that those who obey His commandments will have everlasting enjoyment in the hereafter. I hope you don't doubt the hereafter. its not possible that we'll just come to this ready made life and leave just like that without reporting back to the Creator afterwards na.

Naijababe, you are still undergoing a trial and Allah is hoping you'll appreciate His favours over you and pass. Please come back to the fold of Islam. Its NOT ENOUGH to just believe in God's existence & power and be a good person. Allah deserves more. He demands more. We cannot obey 100percent and its absolutely pointless to try to be perfect(in my opinion) but we should keep striving to do more.However, some BASIC FUNDAMENTAL things must be in place and those are enshrined in d 5 pillars of islam. IMAN, SALAT, ZAKAT, SAUM and HAJJ.

A lot of muslims today do not personify islam but Islam remains what it is. Its not so complex. Do YOUR OWN according to what Allah has mentioned in the PERFECT Book, the Qur'an and wht you've read in AUTHENTIC hadeeth. Islam is peace, islam is beautiful, Islam is the way. Come back.


Tbaba, Mac, Jarus, Betatathings, everybody else, abeg make una drop una own lines o make me sef and all of us learn more. Allah guides whom He wills. he had guided Naijababe before and i believe he will do it again whether we say anything or not. May Allah continue to make us steadfast on the path and continuosly guide us towards becoming better muslims.

& to some people I wouldnt like to mention, please let us dwell less on criticism and more on bringing Sister Ganiyah OMOGENAIJA back to Islam.


Another long epistle , apologies (if required) .
Apologies also for the typos...tho proofreading will try to correct all or most.

All hail the most beautiful sedan ever designed by toyota since i was born

Hmmm...posts hidden? Oh well, I understand sha .

ledafaze: To avoid being banned, please ensure that your post is not offensive to Islam.

First of all, I was told from a reliable source that Muslims were banned from eating pig cos... there was a war, which Prophet Mohammed (SAW) was in attendance, got killed and was eaten by a pig. I really do not believe that story but I would like someone to please give me verses from the Holy Koran advising us to stay away from eating Pork.

Thank You

Go and read that article (again). Obviously you didnt realise the author was using that as an example of the false stories peddled against Mohammed in Europe of yore. This is an excerpt of the article containing what you posted:

In his book, Western Views of Islam in the Middle Ages, the Oxford scholar, Sir Richard W Southern, noted that:

The existence of Islam was the most far-reaching problem in medieval Christendom. It was a problem at every level of experience. As a practical problem it called for action and for discrimination between the competing possibilities of Crusade, conversion, coexistence, and commercial exchange. As a theological problem it called persistently for some answer to the mystery of its existence: what was its providential role in history - was it a symptom of the world's last days or a stage in the Christian development; a heresy, a schism, or a new religion; a work of man or devil; an obscene parody of Christianity, or a system of thought that deserved to be treated with respect?

Well, we know what path history then took. Muhammad was portrayed in Europe as an imposter, a scheming cardinal who founded his own religion after failing to become the Pope. The Muslim prohibition on eating the pig was because at his death Muhammad was eaten by swine. To Martin Luther, Muhammad was second in wickedness only to the Pope (who was, of course, the real anti-Christ).

Since the middle of the 19th century, there has been a gradual reappraisal of the role of Muhammad and Islam by many western scholars. The Scottish essayist, Thomas Carlyle, led the way:

Our current hypothesis about Mahomet, that he was a scheming Imposter, a Falsehood incarnate, that his religion is a mere mass of quackery and fatuity, begins really to be now untenable to anyone. The lies, which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man, are disgraceful to ourselves only.'

Today, there is a far wider recognition that Muhammad's role was similar to that of the biblical prophet Moses who united the Israelite tribes, except that Muhammad saw himself as being sent as a messenger to all of humanity, not just to one ethnic group.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/oct/11/thechallengeofmuhammad

"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."
[Deuteronomy 14:8]

I think this is loud and clear enough for anyone who truly claims to believe in THE BIBLE.

ItsModella: I don't know if to classify this one's post as religious ignorance. Seriously, where in the Bible does it say eating pork is a sin? Isn't Mark 7:18-19 explicit enough for you? Or Acts 10:9-15?

The extent you people go to deny that something is not a sin baffles me.

So all foods are really clean? Every food on earth both plant and animal is safe for human consumption??

The extent people will go to justify sin...even down to disputing loud and clear Bible quotes and hiding behind ambiguous and general quotes instead. Its a pity but then sha, when some people's minds are already hardened on certainthings, no matter how clear the proof you bring them, they will still argue with you and reject it, though in their heart of hearts, they know they are wrong.

Nothing that enters the system via the mouth corrupts indeed. I guess those who fall ill (whether lung cancer or kidney failure or food poisoning) and those who get intoxicated are not corrupted by what enters their mouth then. Mumu logic.

Continue eating your pork, no one's stopping you but stop denying/ deliberately misinterpreting explicit Bible quotes that have forbidden you from eating it. But dont forget that a day is coming when human logic will fail & you'll be asked "Were you not told?" God help us.

2 pages of comments and NO ONE has blamed Soludo for introducing the sil.ly fake polymer notes (The contract award to Securency for its printing is still embroiled in some bribery controversy) but some posters have directly and indirectly attacked Sanusi who has said he wants to change the notes back to paper!

Am i surprised? No.

Funny country with funnier people. Anyway, judging by the kind of President we elected, it shouldn't be hard to determine the class of (un)intelligence of several Nigerians.

tbaba1234: We hope naijababe comes back home.

Jarus: Omoge Naija, I know you will be back

Insha-ALLAH

lakhadimar: what did he steal from you? Just mention one or forever STFU

Take this as FACT: Remember the allegations by those "True face(or was it The Other face) of Lagos" people, suffice to say that 90percent if not more of the allegations made against Tinubu are true. Infact they didnt cover everything sef. Heads rolled in Alausa particularly in the Lands Bureau after those revelations were made public cos those people had genuine documents to prove most of what they were saying...which obviously came from some inside sources. But then due to corruption again and eventual resolution of intra-party differences (even tho till now nothing has been completely resolved), we didnt hear anything again.

Eko ile appears to know Lagos very well and i'm sure he knows all these things.

Tinubu has robbed Lagos blind, no doubt, best believe it coz if TRULY you are not aware of it, when you get to know just how much landed property (belonging to families with ownership dating back to several decades) & GOVT property Tinubu has illegally acquired and STILL INTENDS to acquire from Lagos, you'll be so shocked and will support a call for Tinubu's brain to be examined as a man cannot be that greedy and still be sane. But nothing lasts forever and the wicked will surely receive his due.

That said, Tinubu is not the president of nigeria today, GEJ is.

Tinubu is very very corrupt, greedy and power-hungry....I KNOW that, we all know that even Eko-Ile even if he refuses to admit it.

Goodluck jonathan is also very very corrupt, incompetent and since he currently undeservedly holds the office of presiding over 160million people, he deserves to be villified much more than Tinubu. Can SincereNigerian deny that GEJ used poverty alleviation money to pay for Thisday concert? Can sincerenigerian justify the astronomical unprecedented increase in fuel subsidy funds in the election year? (which still leaves me astounded and ashamed of Nigeria whenever i read about it) Who has gone to jail for corruption ever since then? Infact how many people have been sent to jail for corruption snce GEJ got in?

Lastly, what exactly were GEJ's achievements as the governor of one of the richest and least popuated states in NIgeria? Did he even do anything? if he did some things, were they comensurate with the huge allocation he was receiving?

Sincerenigerian, get a life. What you are doing will not help you. there's more to life than money. Obasanjo, Tinubu, Alams, GEJ, Beautiful Diezani, Anenih e.t.c. should all be languishing in JAIL if Nigeria were a sane country. Instead we have them still running things and we have members of the supposedly 'younger generation' like you and all the other paid goons on this forum who 'should know better' cheering them on.

UNLESS we really see FRESH AIR before 2015, anybody who campaigns for GEJ if he decides to run again is an ENEMY of Nigeria and I leave them to their judgement either in the hands of the people or God. AHN AHN, this country has suffered enough please. Compare us to other far less wealthy countries and you will weep at what has happened and what is STILL HAPPENING in Nigeria.

No be una fault sha, its the fault of that shameless old man in his hilltop mansion in Abeokuta who practically wasted 8 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,) crucial years in Nigeria and proceeded to foist the most incompetent duo among the motley crew jostling for the position then on our heads just before his exit. Infact, its like Obasanjo simply hates Nigeria and i think its high time we all return the favour. I wonder how Nigeria would have been today if the old fo'ol had given us a El-Rufai (or Ribadu)as president with a Donald Duke (or Akunyili/Ezekwesili)as vice, but no, the old man didnt want any competent person at the helm, he wanted someone/a duo who will outdo him in incompetence and corruption and he got what he wanted and thats why people like sincerenigerian can daily be insulting our sensibilities on nairaland today.