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Profgordons:
Simply because they cannot recreate that wealth abroad.

The majority of a country's wealthy always reside in the country they come from. It is their dominant environment. Nothing about creating wealth. It is simple mathematics. There are more wealthy Nigerians living in Nigeria than elsewhere.

IbeOkehie:
I know oil & gas engineers paid in dollars who have migrated away from Nigeria.

I know high level officers of foreign oil & gas companies who reached retirement age on their job...at director level...and chose to live out their retirement in UK and USA.

If you add regular workers in the industry who were making a comfortable naira salary the number is huge. I know one person in this class that SHOCKED me recently by leaving Nigeria.

While these statistics are interesting, and I resonate with why they left, most wealthy Nigerians live in the country. Obviously, that is a small minority, but it is the reality.

Nigeria is not a nice place to live. Nigerian culture is just bad.

To a great extent, that is true.

The infrastructure is sub-par.

True.

The weather is hot and humid.

So are Malaysia and Singapore, but most citizens there are not interested in leaving. In fact, their elites don't have dual nationality. On that aspect, they are better off than Nigerian elites. There are Japanese, Americans, Indians, Chinese and Singaporeans in Malaysia. The difference between Malaysia and Nigeria is infrastructural development and economic prosperity. If Nigeria were like Malaysia, it would have made much difference.

Mass poverty has made the populace generally ignorant, nasty, desperate and cruel. Most Nigerians only see other people as targets for fraud, nothing else.

Agreed.

Positives for a rich dollar earner are cheap and easy sex, availability of cheap servant labour and worship from the mass of poor people who pretend to respect the rich.

True. The black woman's breasts and well-marinated pussy are heaven made on earth.

Many have weighed the options and made the choice to migrate. Where they don't migrate they send their children abroad. And most ultra high net worth Nigerians you THINK live in Nigeria actually live abroad and commute into Nigeria. This I know for a fact. Europe is a 6 hour flight away, North America 12 hours. Some of these people spend enough time in NY to qualify as residents for tax purposes.

True. No Nigerian elite has just the Nigerian passport. They have passports of the EU and North American countries. I see a growing number possessing Brazilian and Mexican passports in the future.

What OP needs is a job where you learn how a structured business operates. Do so for at least three years, save then decide which path to take (entrepreneurship or career progression).

Nazgul:
Wealth doesn't come overnight. The problem with most youths these days is that they want to invest in a business today and become a millionaire in a couple of days, without possessing the creativity to make wealth. It doesn't work that way.

If you meet most wealthy people in Nigeria today (dangote inclusive) they would tell you that consistency and dedication is what catapulted them to the position they're today. They laboured consistently for years nurturing their business until it grew beyond their expectation.

Whatever business you choose to venture into, if you want to be successful in it, you must stand out from the majority.

Apart from continuous capital infusion, everything you have said is the truth. It takes time to build wealth. It involves a lot of delayed gratification, planning, new ideas, trial and error, persistence, determination, hard work etc. The worse is when Nigerians come online to ask how much profit they will make a day after investing so so and so amount. Our people mistake revenues (not yet break-even sef) for profits. Another one is using the revenues they generate to build a house.

remsonik:
It's the other way round, it's a responsible man that's hard to find for a serious relationship. Too much lies and dirty lifestyle you notice in most of them is even discouraging ladies from dating......... Abeg let me face my job and be working hard to take good care of myself and not be running helter-skelter after men.

Give your life to christ and live a righteous life you will get the best lady for you

I am genuinely interested, what are the dirty lifestyles and lies you or your friends see in young Nigerian men that are discouraging?

My advice: you need to be friends from a platonic point of view. Sex distorts how you see a person especially if it is done continuously. You begin to disregard certain principles because of it, which is bad since you are aiming for marriage. You need to see people for who they are from an unbiased POV. Check the female friends you have and assess them from a strictly platonic POV.

Don't go and become the boyfriend of a woman who doesn't offer you commitment/fidelity. That is a loss. You are becoming responsible, but collecting zero benefits. Most importantly, you need to either move out to your personal apartment or get somewhere suitable for your mom. Ever since I read through the comments of a Facebook post where almost all women preferred a man who earns 150K per month living in a self con over a businessman who lives with his immediate family, I knew that women don't like being with men who houses his mother/sisters.

franchasofficia:
If truly you are ready to settle down or start a serious relationship, I will advice you not to tell any girl or lady you meet that you want a serious relationship.

Start toasting girls everywhere and anywhere you go, online and offline, become shameless in approaching any girl you fancy. Don't talk about relationship, talk about hanging out, Nigerian girls love hanging out more than their own life, from hanging out, assume the position of her boyfriend without asking her out, remember to act like mumu by giving her free money and stuffs whenever you can, Nigerian ladies love free money and things a lot and if you cant give them, it will be hard to get most of them unless you are a famous music star.

I am sorry, but I find that to be distasteful. There is nothing wrong with chasing women, but giving them free money in a bid for them to like you as a man is terrible. You don't spoil women to like you, but you spoil the woman who likes you. What you have described is basically buying love. What about when the money finishes? He has financial issues like the Tinubu economy is doing people? Why should money be the image he offers to women?

You have written elsewhere that men, especially those abroad, should not put a false financial image of themselves. So, why are you advising men to give free money to women in a bid to get them to like you? When the money no dey again nko? If a man cannot get a woman to genuinely like him for who he is, rather than the free money he doles out, he better remain single.

After a few hang outs, invite her to know your place and then be bold to make attempt to kiss or romance her, if she rejects don't fret, apologize and let go, while you try next time, after one or two or three trials, she will definitely agree, and once she agrees, don't listen to relationship experts writing theories, make love to her and from there she will become serious with you. If she rejects your intimacy advances and also reject kissing and romancing, discard her immediately and delete her contacts and move on to others.

Make she carry the man go Twitter say the man wan rape am? Besides, such cannot work with all women as some women would insist on a defined relationship before sexual intercourse.

Stop begging girls for relationship, do what you are supposed to do as explained above and assume the position of their boyfriend.

The bold is the only thing he should do. But he should not assume the position of a boyfriend. That is a loss. He would be responsible but never get the benefits. He is paying to a system he gets no benefits from. Why should he assume the position of her boyfriend when he is not her boyfriend? Do you know the responsibilities attached to the position of a boyfriend to a Nigerian lady?

Unfortunately most Nigerian girls will never take you serious for a relationship until you have had good sex with them. While doing that remember to keep constant communication via Whatsapp chats and calls, but avoid being a pest or bug on her, always give her space to miss you after you have done your own part

Na hook up be this na. For this to happen, he would be charged money after each visit/round. No woman offers sex for free. The man must pay.

JustPowerApps:
I honestly don't get it likewise, it seems the better a guy gets, the more girls drift away.

It is strange, really strange. Nigerian girls are drawn to touts more than responsible guys.

That is a lie!

Say you are more attracted to such women, rather than labelling Nigerian girls as such. The ladies I know would never have anything to do with a tout or irresponsible folks! Never! Maybe while in school, they mingled with them because it was an academic environment. But as of now? Big Hell No!

Change your circle of women or actually be responsible. I find it hard to believe that a responsible man gets irresponsible women as admirers. That is not true and goes against basic biological principles.

Mcslize:
Remain one person. The list will not be complete without mentioning A.K.A ogbonti the die hard APC clown.

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Oh! He even supports APC?!

No wonder he wants young and ambitious Nigerians to remain there! Nah!!! The average APC supporter is cruel, wicked and disgusting! The evidence is too glaring for anyone to deny it.

ogbonti:
My brother Mr. Blind Critic, I left Nigeria for the USA inm1996, I spent just 6 months - returned to Nigeria in January 1997… and left Finally for the USA December 1998, Democracy in Nigeria was already in focus as Gen Abdulsalami Abubakar already led a roadmap for handing over - N

Thank you…

Good! Clap for yourself! You have done well.

However, everyone isn't like you. Mind you, the people you fought for campaigned and voted for Buhari in 2011. 2015 and 2019. Now, they have voted for a man because of his brain, not his body. Is that the same people others who didn't vote for should fight for? What do you think of ENDSARS where northerners didn't participate? What about the accusations that Igbos wanted to burn Lagos?

See, the best solution is for everyone to answer him papa name. That way, if you fight, you know you are fighting for people who think and look like you. Fighting for Nigeria in its current state is a stoopid ordeal which will only end in sifia pains!

bodeyX:
Allowing free market economy is one of the things causing this artificial inflation in the first place .!!!!!

So, Fulani herdsmen who kidnap, fleece farmers and slaughter them is not the cause of food inflation, but innocent traders who are subject to changing farm gate prices are the ones behind the inflation?

Nigerians, who do una this thing na?

IbeOkehie: Your people are at it again.

successmatters:
That's bad

If you didn't help this business man to subsidize his purchases and expenses, if you didn't give him the capital to set up or to operate, you have no rights to force him to sell at a particular price.

But this will always backfire, as more owners lock up or transfer their goods, or go underground, the goods will enter black market, and everyone who really needs it will pay triple the cost, at the point of death.

Buharri tried that in 1984, someone should please remind me how that matter ended?

Allow free market economy to dictate prices.

An intelligent man called RickyJesus said it was the best thing since sliced bread.

We want his brain, not his body.

RickyJesus:
You lack perspicacity and filled with western propaganda to undermine Russia and not even see where the global economy is tilting to, for your mind Russia is what you are using to shade somebody.

Did Buhari perform well? Of course not, the bone of contention is been generated from your tribalistic stand of accusing people unintelligence for voting him, it clearly shows lack of depth in your thought and simply showcase you as a pained tribalist.

Which former president has successfully turned Nigeria into a developed country, can we say the people that voted them are also intelligent? You try to rope pansophist and caveAdullam into your tribalist view but they clearly point out to you that it's not the person that's been voted for that's the entire issue but the system itself should be look into, but no you choose to continue been a tribalistic bigot that you.

Cry me a river!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go and sweat the more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FYI, I am not here to make anyone happy! I didn't register on Nairaland to make anyone happy! If you don't like my posts, scroll away! The ret@rd you voted for in 2015 closed borders. Now, the Emi Lokan you voted for is closing supermarkets! Tomorrow, you will claim you are intelligent?! N E V E R

Talking about the West and Russia: https://www.nairaland.com/7801886/multipolarism-versus-hegemonism-great-power I have written more detailed posts about geopolitics than your sweaty brains can ever grasp! Better look for ice block and handkerchief to cool your kon kon head!

P.S. Those who campaigned and voted for Buhari in 2015 are UNINTELLIGENT!

RickyJesus:
When I called you tribalist, I meant you as an Igbo (I later figure that out). I always have a feeling that your gibberish on Buhari has nothing to do with logical and reasonable analysis but simply coming from an emotional standpoint from a tribalistic bigot.

At the bolded; that's just a low blow and a demented view on painting a picture with zero idea of what the person is offline while hoping those word will on some way have any effect on the person, very pathetic.

So my posts are gibberish when describing Buhari, not the ill-fated policies of his administration?

Why do most Nigerians hate the truth, for crying out loud?! Buhari was thoroughly incompetent, and those who campaigned and voted for him in 2015 were thoroughly unintelligent. I am unapologetic about that stance! Some even voted for him in 2019, and some actually did the same thing in 2007 and 2011!

But one random RickyJesus is pained that I maintain that stance?!!!!

So saying Buhari is incompetent makes me a tribalist, but Buhari, who described the southeast as a "dot", isn't? The same man who proclaimed that "dogs and baboon will be soaked in blood" and was begged to call to order his irate and blood-sucking supporters in 2011 after they had slaughtered corp members across the north. Buhari did not respond to the pleas from international observers until THREE DAYS LATER! That is the man a prolific Eccrine gland secretor says I am a tribalist for lampooning.

Go and sweat the more! I hold no apology whatsoever! No wonder you want to relocate to Russia

tensazangetsu20:
He had a first class in accounting, he worked at Deloitte and he trained for 20 years to be president.

This even makes it worse, considering his predecessor failed WAEC. At least, Buhari could be forgiven because he was a stark illiterate. What would be the excuse for Tinubu?

ehizario2012:
...for what it is, and not what it should be. Well said. A dentist friend of mine was narrating how some patients refuse black doctors till now, as if na d doctor disease go kill.

R***SM and tri****sm sit deep in the human nature, nothing can take it away. It can only be managed. Michael Jackson tried to become white but he still wasn't accepted, so no matter the number of years spent here or ILR/citizen or whatever status, never forget who you are. It's their land, and rightly so.

The aim is to make the best of the opportunities here, and firmly understand your place while actively contributing to the development of the host country/community. That's a better way of seeing the symbiotic relationship.

Hopefully, the second generation blacks all across Europe understand this. Those in the US are excluded as their case is different. Get the passport, experience, money and contribute to your homeland. It must not be Nigeria sef. One second-generation Brit who worked with Shell dey Rwanda cultivating crops for exports to the Middle East and Europe.

If black dentists are declined in the UK, I dey wonder how it is for black medical professionals (assume they exist there) in Switzerland and Poland.

But to be frank, if I were Polish, I would rather have someone who loos like me work on my teeth. There is that psychological comfort. It is a human trait. Shey it is the same new immigrant moms in the UK prefer to be attended to by black nurses rather than non-blacks.

Humans are tribal.

RickyJesus:
Fvck off with this your tribalistic view.

Guilty conscience

I didn't mention any ethnic group. I only said, "those who campaigned and voted for Buhari in 2015".

After sweating under intense heat and inhaling generator fumes which was powered by petrol you struggled to buy at over N700 per litre (which is never accurate) and groaning under blood-sucking mosquitos, you log into Nairaland to dey bant with me.

I remember your username: Just to pain you the more, those who campaigned and voted for the incompetent feudalist by name Buhari in 2015 are very unintelligent, cruel and disgusting folks!

Go and sweat the more!

ogbonti:
Give them 10 years together in that confederation- our useless lazy youths of today who are busy snatching ballot boxes for politicians and trolling online for crazy reasons - who can not summon up courage to liberate Nigeria but will rather japa anywhere with their cowardly behinds —-will be praying and fasting to be able to go to this new confederation to be enslaved, abused and humiliated just to have a morsel of bread to eat

Coming from someone who lives in the US.

It takes a coward to detect cowardice.

pansophist:
Leaving Nigeria doesn't have to mean leaving for the west though.

But yes, my opinions have changed. As my responsibility increased, I now come to appreciate my newly adopted country. There is just no way I can be a man without a solid system run by other strong men.

When you have dreams to pursue, a family that looks up to you, and duties you can't negotiate yourself away from, a stable, working society is a no-brainer.
And if the price to pay is being like a dark chocolate in the midst of whites, then so be it

Fair deal.

At least, you didn't vote for Buhari in 2015 and fled like resident Nairalanders did.

Karleb:
But they are not anti-japa and they will be the first to move when things become unbearable or if their home country threatens their livelihood.

Some anti-japa here will cry if you send your kids to US to study.

Those are poor people regardless of whether they have lived in the US at a point.

saintopus:
There is no need to establish new regulatory agencies because there are many of such agencies in the country

Mention one.

P.S. No such agency exists. If it does, why have the agency staff been idle?

Liadi2:
The person who created this forum has japa after scamimg four of us without refunding our balance. She is not responding to any messages from us.

Wow!!

Nigeria is a Muslim majority country. Nothing wrong with what Tinubu did.

pansophist:
When people say there is enjoyment in nigeria, it's about the communality, food, being the default, lack of civic responsibilitiee, and "freedom in chaos" such as hook up, bribery, abusing others ( eg sales girl, house boy) etc

Apart from these, I don't know exactly how Nigeria is fun. If one have adapted to their new home, it's far better fun than what's obtainable in naija

How can you enjoy a place with no light, dirty beaches that's not free, no free museum, architecture, library, etc?

And a preventable situation such as bad roads, dumb police officers and bad medical care can kill you in an instant?

Also, your money can only go far in a functioning society. It takes me about 20euros to fly from Amsterdam to the Spanish islands in Africa (Gran Canaria) , but can same amount take you from Lagos to Abuja by flight?

Fair analysis. Which is why this thread exists: https://www.nairaland.com/7496716/what-exactly-does-one-enjoy

But I am surprised, your comments have changed overtime regarding relocation and living in a place where the majority don't look like you.


P.S. We must acknowledge one thing: The majority of wealthy Nigerians live in Nigeria.

Karleb:
Funny, why then do you think politicians are buying seconds citizenship for themselves and their families when they are the top 5 richest in the country.

If I had plenty of money, Nigeria wouldn't be the place I'd want to endure enjoy it.

But the majority of wealthy Nigerians live in Nigeria. It is actually a standard thing to do - the wealthy set of people reside in their dominant society. The purchase of second citizenship is to ease movements and offer a second option considering Nigeria's fractured state. I want to bet many wealthy Namibians don't bother buying a second citizenship. Money gives options, so wealthy people will opt for greater options.

Those making dollars while in Nigeria have no reason to japa.

An instance is the children/close relatives of cocoa farmers and exporters. If I see any such person japa, I will ask hard questions.

ednut1:
do you have experience in that job previously Apply for GCMS notes to see the actual reasons for the refusal so you can know how to tackle it. Jumping from personal support ( work permit) to study visa like i said shows desperation o.

When did Nigerians become LMIA qualified? Are Nigerians qualified to be waived for LMIA?

JuanDeDios:
This is an interesting angle. But I think whatever problems were created for the Japanese economy by the Accord should have been surmounted in a decade or less.

They became complacent and comfortable with the position they found themselves - a wealthy East Asian economy, which was the world's second biggest (as of then).

After all, the yen has been undervalued since forever and remains so. There seems to be a crippling lack of innovation in the country's technology sector - seems na there the wahala dey.

The Chinese came along and were more nimble, responsive to change, aggressive, fast implementators and had higher risk appetite. Before the Chinese were the South Koreans. Also, the Chinese population attracted huge investments, with which China had a strong and big internal market. It is why only China can compete head-on with the US. Another worthy challenger in the future would be India and maybe Indonesia.

JuanDeDios:
How Japan's trend of growth stopped in the 90's will remain a wonder. To think people once thought it'd rival and maybe surpass the US. Now, China is well ahead of it.

Please read about the "Plaza Accords". Before the meeting, American lawmakers and companies rattled that the Japanese were playing "unfair" in trading with the US. They attacked Toshiba, Toyota, SONY and every major Japanese company then. For a country the US bombed twice using the atomic bomb, rebuilt and the defeated people becoming your bonafide ally, the US forced the Japanese to sign the Plaza Accords.

Now, they are using the same playbook against China. But China no gree.

saasala:
The United Kingdom has been hovering around depression for quite a while. Everyone I know in UK is complaining seriously.

For japarians, it is not a choice destination presently. You might end up homeless. You can barely get a job that will be enough to pay for a studio apartment. You can be working 10 hours daily and still be homeless. Think well.

Canada, USA and Australia are better.

But for me, I will remain here. Naija dey okay for me.

Except for those who are Canadian citizens, no difference between the UK and Canada o. Australia and US are good tho.

easiest:
Any countries that spends wealth in other to stop Russia in achieving his plan will slip into recession, I am not surprised at all

The West and her allies would not accept that fighting Russia (increased energy prices) and now China (reduced demand for goods from their countries) causes more harm to the West's economies than Russia and China. These two don dey used to suffer, they can withstand the social and economic shocks. Not so much for the Western without excessive borrowing and quantitative easing aka print money anyhow.

South Korea and Taiwan's economies don dey face problems because they allied with the US not to export chip-making equipment and materials to China. The West should accept that time don pass. These kids on the block are more solid than the Cold War era.