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Kai that easy !!!!!!

MyJoe:
Aren't Nigerians interesting people? So it's okay for the Army to kill innocent civilians for the purpose of catching some terrorists and oyiboish to try to probe such killings?

You dey mind them!!!!

phreakabit:
Yes! Lets ALSO probe the atrocities committed by the army in

1, Odi

2, Anambra

3, Jos x 4

Fncking Aboki idiots. Its time to probe now due to ethnicity of the victims.

That word sounds like your village chief!!
Are you just angry for revenge or what ! Is the army doing your long lust wishes.I mean killing people(northerners) you term enemies and wish dead ?
This is Borno and not the above listed states.Where are there own indigents and elders who should have spoken out?

virgo:
While I don't condone the incessant killings of civilians under the guise of flushing out terrorists, I can't stand the hypocrisy of some Northern politicians about this Boko Haram issue. When Odi in RIvers State was literally razed to the ground by trigger happy men of the armed forces of Nigeria, where was the outcry? When Honourable Ghali Na'abba brazenly called for the extermination of the people of the Niger Delta for the "greater good" of (Northern) Nigeria, where was the indignation? Now,  a group of people who are clamouring for the most senseless demands are being fished out, and we hear all manner of speeches from people who couldn't be bothered if the whole of the Niger Delta that sustains the Nigerian economy is wiped out off the face of the earth. Let's face it, Boko Haram is nothing more than a ploy by the North to disrupt Jonathan's administration. The sooner we are objective and fair in our analysis of the issues bedeviling Nigeria, the better for us. Otherwise, our simpering resentment against perceived injustices will lead to the implosion of this great country.

The answer ls with your leaders and elders who should have being championing the case and seeking justice not just being nonchalant.You don't expect a northern elder to go and know what is happening in your domain when you have human beings that carry age and brains to know when they should go and say my people are angry and unhappy and it is my duty to say so and seek re-dress.
Its not Ghali but Na'Allah that said so!He speaks for himself and today it is a fact that being in the house does not in all case present what others think period.While Ghali was saying that in the house,Yar'adua was shaking hands with boyloaf and calling them to Aso rock for dialogue.Same northerners with diverse views.
I don't know what you mean by fished out? Do you mean Killing innocent people in there houses ,burning peoples property and burning public markets! You must seriously have lost it.
Even in a house with many people,you have different views and if i remember same house of assembly cautioned him and demand an apology for same.Which means such an action is wrong.Since we've learn from that ,do we then say we repeat it again as fools will. Your excuse hardly holds water and your blaming of the Nigerians/Norths elders for not interfering in your activities is wrong.Especially since you have your own elders. Abi they are on vacation? Our elders have come out to even challenge the government to go and see/ask the victims who survived.Simple English to better your operations and you are busy denying.Typical sign of guilt.
Lastly people like you seek number 1.,2.,3. & 5. based on my earlier post.
Boko haram needs a remedy and i don't care how justice reaches them as they have individually taken part in actions against any innocent person.But i remain against the harm caused to the law abiding and innocent Nigerians.

^^^ When you rate yourself as a beast and refuse to aspire to be civilised then your comments become valid.Otherwise it will be fair and wise to win the people than try to win a war without the people.What this will do is restore hope that coming to help the army and law enforcers is just and different form the BK jungle justice.If you had read the post,the action of the army has only doubled the treat to civilian lifes and property.Boko haram on one hand and Army on the other.
People like you condone the violence,because of some reason probably listed here. 1.Hate for the northerners 2.sentiments and hypocrisy 3.stupidity 4.religious fanatism and 5.revenge 6.I don't care .If not what is your own with defending the military even where they have accepted blame for atrocities committed by some bad men of the force
I don't see where a nations security personel,collecting public funds will go out and kill same public and claim they working for the public.It is Plain silly.It is not about being oyinbo.it is common sensee about being sincere to your purpose and words to serve the people.
Probe Boko haram is what the army,SSS,Police,Government and courts should have being doing and not waste time burning homes and killing people.Do you think the BH guys are on the FG pay roll?have you ever paid tax to them?Do they administer affairs in your village?deal with boko haram Same way you deal with criminals and national treats.Never compromise respect for the law abiding community who you owe that service too.

The man is just being honest.Look around you has it not become obvious that democracy has being rooted in west Africa.Even if it is far from being perfect.Some did get there own right.Presently on the score sheet democracy is all over west Africa and its time to consolidate it and reap the fruits of its dividend period.
GEJ maybe scared of the army,but i tell you they are even more scared of the people.If we support him then he is strong and if we back away then the army or others become stronger!!!!

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=732476.msg8894524#msg8894524 date=1312986671]Aren't they supposed to be discreet in their operations ? Why the noise-making ?[/quote]That is why they are not so smart after all.Why say it when you could make actions speak louder than words.Start arresting and charging some people to court straight.As the News spread that people disappear and then suddenly reappear in court with serious incriminating charges then,they know you were just being careful and always on alert.
During Abacha we never heard or read about how the SSS works but rumor has it that people just get wisked away once in awhile for incitment and sentiments against the government.Not later but sooner, alot of people began to mind there business and keep there madness within there own bodies.For some activist who witness detention and some bashing pele.All went well apart from that in terms of security.I remember the same el-zaaky in Zaria was detain and when his followers came in there numbers to free him.The casualty they suffered and more rounding up made them peacefull untill OBJ tenure.I don't want violation of basic human rights.Just quietly do this monitoring and disgrace the people using the alter for preaching hate and jail then for disrupting Fed rep. of Naija.
Its a good move and please not just kogi.You need to reach Kaduna(south and north serious breeding ground),Plateau (Serious hate breeding ground for religious extremism in both faiths),Kano(serious breeding ground for bias/politically motivated minds) etc.I already know that SSS head quaters is now in Borno so no need to tell you about that one.Don't forget the Militant groups too and all the haters.
Infiltrate and listen,gather evidence,prosecute and convict period!!! Attitude will change dramatically over nite and love your neigbour shall be preached from all speakers of all faiths.Even if they don't mean ,whihc we don't wanna know.Include Okija shrine abeg to avoid looting via oaths

The words actually present the value of the currency in words using the Hausa language and written in Arabic.Even thought i can read it directly,you could try using the "Google translate" option to check such inscriptions straight up to English. Naira is spelt Nayra(which sounds more like Hausa)

Really?Nigeria Nigeria !!!!!! Anyway cry no more he may take over from his father.Remember daddy said his vice and himself would bring a change in power from the older block to the newer fresher younger guys eg Yakubu !!!! Just saying. Wishing them luck sha! Nigerian and people need serious progress ideas and implementations.

edoyad:
but this isn't the first time this is happening here. The yaradua case was far more disturbing. Half the threads on the political section claimed he was dead, though he was still alive at that time.

Gbammmm !!!! Atleast during the discussion alot of us had room to argue over reliable sources and all that.Such rumors are sad.Somehow they remain inevitable and it got to me through BB and alot of other medium of media communication.So it would be foolish to assume it originated here.If Kasiem you have an issue with it then you would have to look for the source of the rumor not to blame NL.The forum only posted what they got from there immediate environment.
It is okay to post such issues here for people to scrutinize and for someone like kasiem to come here and deny such lies if any.I did check NL immediately someone told me to verify.cos i know it is only here the issues would be examine openly.Even online news hardly had any such gist.
Seun is doing fine and the Mods are doing there best.Allow the threads and let them fill up with analysis for one to draw a logical conclusion.

Buhari

^^^ understood!!!!

Bliss4Lyfe:
The HAUSA FULANI are truly bandits. See the way they rubbed Southern Nigeria and Niger delta with the help of their Britain tutors. I am disgusted.  :

Last i checked, you silly pervert! your brothers were running things.Atleast for the must recent of the past 12 years.While in the past they were hanging around and sucking there own people too.So pushing such on a section/tribe is clearly how easy a daft person can show tribalism!  

Aba

Beaf:
haka_nai, if you check carefully enough, you'll find that my posts against the core-North always imply that I am talking about the elite. It is a hard truth that must be told in uncompromising language, the North desperately needs a fresh crop of leaders and thats basically whats contained in my messages.

Well,you couldn't have said it any better sha!!! That is true and the elites still have some of them that are worth listening too.While alot of them are simply greedy.The post election violence only angered me when it spiral into religious and tribal war.If only they stuck to burning the elites property and wiping them we would have been better off.Now more than ever they have realize just how vulnerable they are too.

Well tribalism has its serious effect.Youknow the WHO catch WHO always results in whose WHO is right and i choose my WHO over yours!!!!

Mr man you are better off as Benin.When you get infected by the Naija syndrome you will find it hard to be cured!!!!
Doubt any cure for it sha!!!! Corruption,insecurity,dis harmony and visionless champions

And they say we are uncivilized.Just waiting for the event to take advantage of the vulnerable !!!!Its actually called Awuf in Africa!!!!
Beats me,But why so many colored people? Abeg o!!!! anyway e don be for this guys coz the pictures do finish them.They would be tracked and arrested sooner than later.

If only they hear or know!!!
Also please remember to let the president of CAN know this.Becarefull so you don't get sanctioned eg. Bakare!!!!

Nigeria to Import Fuel from Niger Republic – ThisDay

Government of Niger Republic would begin exportation of refined petroleum products to Nigeria by the end of this year, the country’s leader, President Mahamadou Issoufou, has said.

Speaking Tuesday at the State House, Abuja, Issoufou explained that the planned export of products to Nigeria would be aimed at bringing succour to residents of Northern Nigeria, whom he said would be getting supplies of the products from Zinder Refinery in Niger Republic.

The Nigerien president was in the country to hold bilateral discussions with President Goodluck Jonathan on matters of common security especially trans-border crimes, which have negatively impacted on the sub-region.

Speaking earlier, President Jonathan told the Nigerien leader that Nigeria was prepared to cooperate with her neighbours to tighten security and to check crime and terrorism.

He said: “Terrorism and trans-border crimes pose a serious security threat to all our countries. So, we will strengthen border patrols and other areas of cooperation with our neighbours to ensure the safety of our citizens.”

On food security, Jonathan said Nigeria had plans to exploit its gas resources to further agricultural activities through production of power and fertiliser that would best suit the soil of the sub region.

Jonathan assured Issoufou that Niger Republic would be readmitted into the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) at the community’s next summit.He also said the readmission of the country had become imperative in the light of the “full democracy” that had been restored in Niger Republic.

What ever Mr Rev. what ever!!!! I will like it better if it came to you as a vision that Nigeria will be like Somalia, because you have a problem with Islamic banking. Mschewww!!!!

Grow up !!!!!

9ja voice:
can anytin good come out from the core north. they the reason why we all are suffering.

SO if your entire idiotic tribe was told to jump into boiling oil by the north,they will!!!!
You must be simply foolish to make such a comment.You are suffering because of your useless assumptions instead!

@beaf
Never thought you would someday sound so nationalistic.Not withstanding Its only fair to admit ,when someone makes good sense.I like your post here.Just try on the other hand to water down the constant blame of Nigeria woes on the Core North.That in itself does not present the truth and sounds like someone being told, the bogey man story from childhood mentality.
We are all victims of corrupt people from various zones and religion.If the core north is to blame,I never saw any of there accomplice from other regions complain all this while.Except for when it comes to power hustles.Which keeps the ordinary man out always.yet you find it easy to always generalize.I respect some of your views but others you sound bias.

Nigerian Christians are too gullible – Akin-John
On August 7, 2011 · In Religion & Beliefs

DOCTOR Francis Bola Akin-John is the founder of International Church Growth Ministries, an interdenominational ministry set up to equip ministers, has been at the forefront of a crusade against unholy practices in the Church and Christendom as a whole. He preaches unity among churches through his educational programmes which are aimed at equipping spiritual leaders who are, in turn, expected to affect their communities positively. In this interview with SAM EYOBOKA, Akin-John preparing for another special conference this month, gave reasons why the Nigerian Church has failed the moral question despite its numerical strength, and why Christian leaders have not been able to arrest the trend. Excerpts…

How will you assess the Niger-ian Church today?
There’s a lot of errors that we noticed in the Church. All the while we agree that it did not have a good image, at least, since the last 30 years. Though there has been numerical growth but there is no spiritual growth. The Nigerian Church has no depth and from our own observation it has to do with the quality of the ministers. In the 60s, 70s and part of the early 80s, we didn’t hear much about scandals, financial troubles, corruption in the Church, but as soon as every Dick and Harry starts becoming a pastor and general overseer, a lot of things have started to happen.

Our own unique way of addressing the problem include one; the product-ion of books; I’ve written more than 40 books on that and they address this kind of issue. Number two is that we hold conference every third week of February known as Interdenominational Church Renewal Conference, where we focus on issues that have to do with the Church. We bring pastors together where we talk to ourselves very frankly in an open fashion. Then in August, we focus on the leader, those who lead the Church; their lifestyles, manners, visions and all that. So this month that’s what we want to focus on.

How different is this year’s renewal conference going to be?
This year is unique in the sense that we don’t want churches to die young again in Nigeria. We want to reduce the level of corruption, crises, scandals especially regard-ing money and women that is so rampant in the Church. It’s a section on its own that we want to address; we tag it ‘Great men and sexual crisis in the ministry’. We want to address those issues, not from the angle of criticizing and condemning, but from the angle of restoration and renewal, and providing a way out so that we can minimize it to the barest mini-mum. Our goal is that we want to keep the Church pure, we want to take the Church back to the Bible and pastors and preachers should see that this is the way they should run the church and not to modern-ise the Bible.

Can the Church be transformed in isolation of the society? Don’t you think the Church is a product of the society?
The Church is the one that will change the society and not the other way round. The basic reason God put the society in the world is for the church to transform it, but unfortunately today we see the opposite. The Church can change the society when we begin by changing the leaders; let the leaders be leaders after God’s heart; let the leaders be leaders that are truly transformed and believe and live by the Bible. If they can do that, then gradually and one by one, not by military fiat or revolution, the Church will be transformed.

Now, if you were in Nigeria in the 60s and 70s, you will recall that the Church really transformed the nation. By then companies came to the Church to recruit workers because of the moral quality church members were made of. But they don’t do that today because most of the people who profess Christianity and are company workers, are the ones running the companies down.

What is wrong in condemning pastors’ wrongful acts for the purpose of correction; since we want to believe that restitution means public renouncement of sins that one has committed?

There is nothing wrong in the way you have put it, but when I said not by condemnation, what I meant was that we are not going to employ arm-chair critic tactics or criticizing for criticism sake. We will tell you the acts, show you what the Bible says and tell you steps to take. What I mean is that much as we are going to condemn, we are not going to bow down to critics that just like to carry rumour when there is nothing, and we are not going to condemn you because of evil you have committ-ed just for talking sake, but we want to say ‘this is bad, this is what the Church has been doing. If you repent and forsake it, God can forgive you, revive you, renew you and have mercy on you.’ That’s the balance we want to bring.

You are often accused of being too critical of fellow men of God. Some of them feel that some of the problems of the Church you expose should have been addressed in-house and that by talking so much, you are exposing the Church to external attack. What is your reaction? Are there really problems in the Church, why is it you don’t as much talk about the good side of the Church as the negative side?

Most of these problems are public knowledge. For example, a pastor who slept with a member; pastor who embezzled church money; pastor who is involved in occultism are in the public domain. So, if I come up and call a spade a spade, address the issue squarely that the Church is doing wrong, what is bad in that? For God sake this is not what God says the Church should be doing. I don’t think I’m arming the public against the Church, I believe I’m speaking the truth and the Church should see that, at least, somebody is speaking out, somebody is crying out. I believe my ministry is the ministry of Isaiah 58:1-2; ‘Cry aloud and spare not….’

For God sake we can use the media to correct. Most of my writings, I do to inform the public. For example, some couple of days back, the British Prime Minister came to Nigeria and said that the Nigerian populace should hold their government responsible and accountable. I believe the public also should hold the Church responsible and accountable. I am convinced that Nigerian Christians are the most gullible Christian faithful in the whole world. They believe anything, and once a pastor says that the Lord said this, they believe; they don’t question, they don’t look at the Bible.

They don’t want those pastors to be accountable to the Bible they profess to be using. One of my goals is to arm the Christians; they shouldn’t believe everything the pastor preaches, because the Bible says so. If you read Acts 17, it says those Christians, once they heard the word, should go back and search the scriptures whether those things are true. Until the Nigerian Church and Christians understand that they should go to that level, we would all be falling prey of all the antics of fake preachers.

Imagine a prophet that comes up and said to a woman that the Lord said I should deliver your private part of a demon, and a married woman subjects herself to such prophesy and the so-called prophet impregnated her. Even if there’s a demon in her private part, can’t the so-called man of God lay hands on her head and pray? Must he sleep with her by force, just by telling her ‘thus says the Lord’. I believe we should speak up on these things. We should not hide them. So, if they are doing it publicly, they should be exposed. The next thing is that they should repent. Of course we say good things about them and what the Church is doing, we appreciate and acknowledge it. It has not all been a bad or negative story.

These days, one of the measurement of success seems to be the establishment of universities, and a number of churches have them. What do you think about this?

Yale University, Harvard University started as private mission schools, but gradually they progressed. Churches that start universities should have come out from the onset that it is a business venture. They shouldn’t be deceiving the public that it is a mission school, because by so doing you give the impression that the fees will be lowered and it is going to be a social responsibility institution. But all of us have seen that that is not the thing. For God sake, it is the money collected from poor members that were used to start these universities.

The House of Representatives during President Olusegun Obasanjo’s tenure, tried to impose tax on the Church, because a popular church leader granted an interview and said that all the money they used in starting private universities were from the Church. The Reps picked on that and said the Church has a lot of money and they should pay tax. Now, the money was taken from the Church but the children of those who gave the money cannot attend the universities and we say the Church is here to transform the world. The Church can, of course, go into education.

My contention is that if it is going to get involved in it, it should be as a social responsibilty. University is a capital intensive venture and it operates in a social and secular world, and especially in a Nigerian setting, where you can’t say it is a Christian university since they don’t teach the Bible; Nigeria University Commission (NUC) will never allow that.

If you are going to teach Bible, you will teach Islam, you will teach African Traditional Religion, and they don’t want that and they banished the Bible out of it. Imagine God’s money not being used to teach God’s word. Go and ask all those Pentecostal and charismatic churches that have universities, of how much of the gospel they have preached in the last five to seven years? Most of the money that is meant to take care of the widows, orphans, the down-trodden through the gospel have been diverted to make that university world-class.

@beaf you said it all in every single post on this thread!!!!!
Beaf u r
right now make Ghana no make us vex,ask for the $40mil debt your country collect for the love of Nigeria!!!!

nwabobo:
^^^ Why would Boko Haram be afraid of one of their own?

Are you kidding me.

Anyway he is not Nigerian Army obviously.We don't wear such camo!!!!

Personally i think they could take off doing fine.With a few mistakes and naija wonder they too can turn into the Police in attitude.Without the weapons they lack respect in terms of security enforcement.
I was thinking on the NSCDC coming up with there own training and learning from outside the nation to create there own unique mentality.They were trained by the Nigerian military and now thought how to shout by the prison warders who are not half the police in arms handling.I would rather they get training from the SSS and some foreign nation security experts on national security.so they adapt it to the Nigerian climate.
@beaf you need to see there dogs.They are so pure breeds, the Nigerian police dog stand out definitely as local breeds.they could do more.I hate to see them being training by any Nigerian out fit.Due to there infectious nature.It is high time they match fire for fire.Not call the police for support always.The stakes are higher now.They also need helicopters for aerial surveillance of public infrastructures.
Beaf, could you also ask GEJ how far with the police now.We go leave them like that?while they pay them to fail us. maybe they need heating them up.for me it is pointless having numbers that lack professionalism.Why have a large number of personal with little intelligence.have you notice how the army resolves conflicts and security issues with almost same force as the police?Why so?Simple the police is not efficient.They out number the army in numbers and also get far more in terms of spending.It is better FG cut its number and focus on expert training.Ordinarily the police should be better than the Army in handling internal security challenges.Not in Naija sha!!!

What of the Muslims in PDP who worked tirelessly for him during his campaign.What of the PDP muslim govenors in the northern state who worked hard to get him his 25% atleast.What of the Yoruba muslims who voted him?I do think your post is ill informed.Blaming a religion is just not the thing.

Guys lets not forget that even Abacha is being accused and tried in his absence.While that likes of Gen. Abdulasalam and co who are still alive are ignored.So if such an allegation exist,then dead or alive if should be taken in to consideration and probed.Being dead is not an excuse to turn an allegation into lies or otherwise.
It could be damning but rather than just dash in being defensive,It's only fair to know the truth and nothing but the truth!!!!!!!