₦airaland Forum

budaatum:
Not quite. Londoners are the same though. We took off the head of a whole King who wanted to impose on us the people, and we tore down churches when they too tried it, or have you not heard of King Henry VIII and his new fuq?

We would gladly do the same with anyone who tries to impose on us, and can elect Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan because we have nothing to fear.

They were able to 'take off' the head of the king because it was a Christian nation. Muslims are never known to be objective thinkers nor usurpers of oppressive leadership. Take the middle east for example. It's no coincidence that Christian majority countries are the major democracies in the world.

budaatum:
You very funny, op. It's London, yeah. Even Christians can't impose Christianity so I wonder how Muslims could possibly fair any better.

#fakenews!

you think Christianity and Islam are the same. You must be joking...

Onyekapray do you have the ebook for The Tongue Trap By Olukoya? If not can you send me a screenshot of where Olukoya made statements against marital vows. Thank you...

What is with Nairaland and churches today

Truefaith:
It is necessary you start to listen to David Oyedepo with your Bible, not your mind, open.

He teaches that blessings and curses reside in your mouth, not in the mouth of God.

According to him, you are a god and you can, therefore, say things into existence.


This is the source of his teachings. But it's not from the Bible. It is from Hinduism. It's occultism.


You are blessed if you are a Christian, not a deceived word of faith idol worshipper.

www.thetruechristianfaith.com/

Oh pls can you shut up already

Icon79:
It's funny because when Daddy Freeze made this same argument a few weeks ago, all the man worshippers we have here in the forum started calling him all sorts of names. Now, the same folks are lining up behind Oyedepo, even though he just copied from Daddy Freeze. An average Nigerian Christian needs deliverance because they are, in reality, worshipping men in the name of God!


O pari

Don't be dull, living faith doesn't permit those vows since time immemorial.

Good. That was a shambolic election process.

generationz:
I agree with your argument and that of faith preachers.

However that vow na just for mouth

Many say it and still betray, cheat on, dupe and even kill their spouses later.

Very valid point. However those kind of people are those without any moral compass. Vow or no vow one should first marry someone who fears God.

Unfortunately, many who break those vows suffer consequences they can't trace to the vows they made...

Let me say it this way, Marriage is a covenant or agreement. And every agreement has terms and conditions - for the good times and the bad times.
And the conditions of a Christian marriage is no retreat no surrender! And in that moment the minister flashes that reality in your eyes you know what you are getting yourself into.

Read this.

BY SirTee15
It was invented by the western medevial churches as a necessity to ensure couples stay true to each other during hard times which was very much prevalent those times....

The church took it seriously during the bubonic plague pandemic in the 14th century, when it was common for the spouse to abandon the other partner if he/she becomes infected.....
The black death wiped out over 200 million people in Europe and the belief was that God was using the plague to punish sinners, and if u stay close to an infected person u will share in the punishment and get infected.....
This, so many infected people had no one to care for them....
The church wanted to discourage this and the marriage vow was one of the tool they utilized....

Moreso, the dark ages was a difficult time for the working class in Europe.
If u not from a wealthy or aristocratic family, then providing for your family may be tough.
The Roman Catholic church had to find ways to preserve the family unit which was under threat.

On the other hand I know Oyedepo doesn't believe in divorce but he has a problem with professing anything negative. His wife lived with him inside his beetle car, ate baby food with him during the not so financially bright days of the church. This she did even though she was a first class graduate of OAU who by virtue of her degree could have jumped ship and go look for paid employment. He also stood by her during all her health challenges.

In church circles today one of the ways you can look for Oyedepo's trouble is to say the evident. 'The church account is low', 'Sir you are sick' - those are words he hates and can sack a person for... So I know he is not trying to say ppl should abandon their partners when things are tough but he believes pronouncing the negative is equally wrong.

blackpanthar:
yes o

Hmm I u understand why ministers of the faith movement, the likes of Hagin, Oyedepo and Copeland would thoroughly hate that line because most believe the redemption package doesn't permit Christians to be sick or poor in the first place. But the reality is that many Christians live short of God's desire for their divine health and financial prosperity. And you don't want a situation where marriages collapse because of money or health issues.

Therefore, that line though Unscriptural was a necessary innovation from the medieval church to bring marriage partners into a vow bound by death. To ensure that no one jumps ship when things get low - which in many cases it does. In doing so, the church has removed the option of divorcing your partner for circumstantial reasons and reinforced that it would not be part to relationships inspired by benefits only.

My reservation is when major ministries abandon that line it would further weaken people's commitment to lifelong marital covenants.

The only evil the church has been culpable in is not encouraging victims of marital abuse to separate from their abusive spouses - something the church must work on.

All that "for better for worse, in sickness and in health", that people recite as marriage vows is unscriptural! It is a curse!

Dr David Oyedepo


https://www.facebook.com/444807728996437/posts/1620543638089501/

iodineadamatine:
I mentioned you in my post with no insults attached. But someone that claims to be defending Christ(well not Christ but your bishop) can't speak facts without vomiting filth. I shall reply in same manner.

I referred to the pope and as the thoughtless slowpoke that you are you brought up the worth of the Vatican. OK. Since he presides over The. Vatican .mention the number of cars and private jets he has in his name.
Does his biological son, run the city alongside himself. Does he own universities in his name or high rise estates.


Your first statement proves you the lying self deceiving hypocrite that you are.
Just say no one can actually live like Christ. And Christianity does not exist. All there is is make believe.

Name the private university oyedepo has registered in his name..
Name the private jet oyedepo has in his name.

iodineadamatine:
"if I think the pastors of today aren't poor enough".
No. I bet you understand English. And you know what modesty is. If not. Where in my post did you see me telling pastors to become poorer.


Do you know it is possible to be poor and still not be modest. Are you aware that Warren buffet/ Zuckerberg as rich as they are, compared to all your pastors. Show and demonstrate the true meaning of modesty even, more than those who claim to be priests and Christlike

The Pope presides over a multi-billion dollar cult like institution...infact a nation of its own, and his carriage is close to what I mean.


Because he became poor so that you might be rich means you should think only of buying and putting up extravagant structures here and there as if it would be taken account of in the so much preached heaven.
The church now has interest in large population...quantity not quality (truly redeemed). Reason why you see the shameful and glaring competition for the largest church cathedral in Nigeria.


And please I did not tell them to become priests, so if they must be, they should emulate who they say they follow,.and even the blind can the glaring disparity between them. Take heed

And you said Christ came to die that was why he led the kind of life he led, really? Are you sure you read you bible.

After Christ left, what kind of life did the movers of the early gospel lead . Peter? Paul?

Were they building mighty cathedrals and riding on horses and chariots like kings.

In fact is Christ against Christians dieing for the gospel.?
Who made this statement. "He that looses he's life for my sake shall have it. And he that saves his shall loose it(parapharased).
There is war in Libya, Islam has taken perpertual hold of Saudi Arabia.

Have you asked yourself why your pastors only take there crusades to the US, London, back to the nations that brought Christianity to them? No!! Money money. Thats why. They are now like musical artists that go on tour.

Truth is..if christianity I mean true Christianity, was what was in vogue. Only few people will do it .because it is not easy. Not even close.


"Narrow is the way.

Go and loose your own life first hypocrite...

Lol you are talking about Vatican. Do you know the amount of Gold the catholic is invested in? The Pope's carriage is a traditional carriage and doesn't reflect any sort of moderation. Have you seen the value of the Vatican estate? Pls stop talking nonsense.

iodineadamatine:
Ever heard of "modesty".yes. not rich nor poor. That should be the lifestyle of priests.

If you're honest with yourself imagine Jesus in the contemporary Nigerian church. Would he fit? The Jesus you read about in the bible. Does he seem like the person that would prefer building universities and flying in private jets. And preaching sermons on earthly prosperity. When evil and immorality has held in the nation in firm grip.

Modern priests in Nigeria remind instead of the Pharisee s and Saducces. Christ was seen as one who revolted against the system. The way you might think I and other who share my view are.

Know this, in summary there is a way that "seem right" to men but the end thereof is destruction.

Alas nobody is perfect as Jesus nor his anybody Jesus. Jesus came for a specific purpose which is to die. If he were busy accumulating human wealth which he created wouldn't that be counter productive.

Haven't you heard of scripture that says he became poor so we can be rich...

But if you feel the pastors of today aren't poor enough you are free to lead by example.
Become the priest you desire and be poor as possible.

lexy2014:
What made u say this?

"And if Oyedepo wanted to show class he would be riding a Bentley mulsanne or rolls Royce not a Toyota sonata. Are we finished here?"

The point is if you compare Oyedepo lifestyle with that of his contemporaries he is actually not extravagant...

lexy2014:
U forgot 2 add d private jets

Private Jet. Yes so?

Nop

MURIC is a dangerous Organization. The WAEC official made salient point, you can't hold a nation ransom. Highlighting the man's position in church is another devilish way MURIC is looking to stoke a religious war between Christians and Muslims.

In Nigeria, we are becoming over-religious. We are becoming so holier (sic) than the Pope and holier (sic) than the man in Saudi Arabia that somebody like Professor Ishaq Akintola would now be going to schools to disrupt (their activities) because of prayer time.

“We need to stop this. I am mentioning this because it is getting too much and I expected Lagos State to take proper action against Prof Ishaq. He recently went to a school in Ojo to disrupt (sic) I have the video here. We need to be guided properly.

“Someone was saying, ‘If they don’t take it (time-table) away on Friday (sic)’. You don’t threaten an institution like government. The government can take anybody out and they will not see that person again. And nothing will happen. Nothing. Not that they will kill the person, they will just take him out of circulation and keep him somewhere,” he declared emphatically.

lexy2014:
If Jesus wanted to show class, he would have ridden on a horse or a chariot. Not a colt. A colt is a donkey which was associated with d peasant class. Horses were and are still a class symbol for d rich

And if Oyedepo wanted to show class he would be riding a Bentley mulsanne or rolls Royce not a Toyota sonata. Are we finished here?

Not only that


Church staff/workers are allowed to pay for housing units in installments of 30 years.

Cheapest housing estate in Africa.
Largest housing estate In Africa
Phase 1 already has its own gas powerplant
To have its own police station, fire services, sport centres, hospitals and schools

Cheapest Unit - 4 million naira \ 30 years = 133,000 Per Annum
Most expensive Unit - 35 million naira\30 years = 1.2 miilion/annum.


The estate is currently only for Winners members

iamJ:
my prayer, is for him to want to form his own country nd Nigerian govt has legal reasons to enter there and burn everything to the ground, seize his planes and all his money

This one is in sifia pains o Lord heal him of jealousy...

But on a more serious note you lack wisdom. Govt would go and burn down an estate owned by possibly 15,000 people which could be housing up to 150,000 people in the minimum.

You think the residents would be watching you burn down houses they bought with their hard earned money. Land backed by a federal CofO for that matter.

You think Ogun state would be watching as you burn down the source of its largest Land-use charge income(on 15,000) houses simply because of one President's vendatta against oyedepo.

Even Abacha can not do that

Africa is/was rooted in dark practices.

In this continent parents sacrificed twins to gods
In this continent tribes practiced human rituals
Thank Jesus for the civilization brought by the church and colonialist. Living in Africa 500 years ago must have been crazy...

Idiat

The south west is too diverse to accommodate religious bigotry. The likes of MURIC should be thoroughly dealt with for trying to break the peace.

Bilyonaire:
Sir, I'm still awaiting your reply on some questions I asked you on a previous thread about Jubril from CU.

Oh wow lemme check

What goes around comes around I guess.
Ambode should be careful at this point. They can impeach him at anytime now if he does anyhow.
Lalasticlala

“STOP AND THINK,” CHANCELLOR TELLS LANDMARK COMMUNITY AT 8TH FOUNDER’S DAY CELEBRATION


“You can never be a solution provider if you don’t think. Thinkers of all ages are solution bearers. There are many readers but few thinkers. Unfortunately, only 5 per cent think, 25 per cent think they think while 75 per cent will rather die than think.

Diverse opportunities abound in the nation but only thinkers can access them. Thinking is the raw material for wisdom, only thinkers manifest wisdom. So, it is time to stop and think. You cannot change time and season. You cannot be youth twice. Life is an adventure of time and season.”


These were the reverberating nuggets of the Chancellor, Dr. David Oyedepo to the University community as Landmark celebrated 8th Founder’s Day on Thursday 21st March, 2019. Dr Oyedepo’s visionary and inspirational leadership, as endowed by God, has been the stimulating force for the University’s new groundbreaking achievements since inception. The “Stop and Think” charge was a great deal apt for the 8th anniversary, signifying new beginning in the scriptural sense.

Speaking to the student population in particular, Dr Oyedepo enthused that they are in their planting season as youths, saying anyone who failed to plant would reap nothing later in life. He admonished that a foundation laid in Christ is eternal as it would speak all the days of their lives.

“This is your planting season, never joke with it. I stated hearing God at 22. I started building my library from 20. I turned 50 years in the faith last month. You cannot afford to miss God at this stage of your life, if God is rightful placed at this stage of your life, you won’t run helter-skelter later in life. Give Jesus His rightful place and you won’t regret it,” he admonished.

While establishing that sound mind is one of the benefits of redemption, quoting 1 Corinthians 2:6; 2 Timothy 1:7; 2 Peter 3:15. Dr Oyedepo reassured them that redemption does not suspend believers’ thinking faculty but fosters sound mind. He gave the example of Jesus, saying that he demonstrated unparalleled wisdom in his lifetime. “You cannot ask any question further after Jesus answered you. He is very sound.”

According to him, thinking takes one to the realm of exploits like Jesus. He disclosed that the application of the truth of Scriptures available through thinking in line with the Scripture being read is what brings about ultimate exploits (Joshua 1:8 and 1 Timothy 4:15). He therefore noted that anyone who would do command exploits must be diligent and self-disciplined. Citing Proverbs 22:29 and Genesis 18:25 respectively.

In the same vein, the Chancellor, alluding the biblical prodigal son, cautioned that achievements are non-transferrable, noting that anyone who invest in his youth has the propensity to surpass the achievements of his forebears. “This is my founder’s day anniversary gift for you. Go and start with God. Start to think. Go and embark on a think-read adventure. Think through what you read. To keep your system charged, you have to think by reasoning through the Bible and what you read (Psalms 119:97-100). If you will take this responsibility, you will be wiser than your contemporaries.

“Honour your parents. Never stand up to them. Respect your teachers. Honour them if you want to be great. We are Christ-cultured people, disciplined people. Receive grace to think your way back on track and stay on track,” he concluded.

Multitudes of students yielded the altar call to start new lives in Christ before the celebration of God’s faithfulness in songs of praise and dance that capped the event.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2353552014657579&id=377272692285531

Just imagine.

Staged to make it seem PDP is the one causing trouble...

drealzum:
Then for alumni association, how strong is the alumni of the oldest private university in Nigeria ?
How many influential men do they have?
Do you know how strong ABU zaria Alumini is?
They have produced Governors, senators, ministers and all.
Infact 60 percent of all Nigeria's politicians are ABU graduate.

Strong Alumni has nothing to do with Senators or governors or that. The question is would ABU alumni be strong enough to stand for its poor off graduates. Public universities don't have strong alumni rather they have influential people. If influential people don't team up then there can't be a strong alumni - that's the difference.
Your so called ABU senators would fix in their nephews from Covenant university into NNPC before they give a jack about a poor dude that graduated from Abu. On the other hand the CU alumni is deliberate about fixing its own people in positions of power and influence - that's a cult like alumni...

If you've ever asked why mathematics is so important. The story of that Air Canada flight that nearly crashed because of conversion error is a good answer for you.

PrimadonnaO:
Are you married? Can I propose?

Lol fortunately for me I'm not married. Probably I've been waiting for you

Bilyonaire:
@HigherEd, how do you know so much about Oyedepo?

Do I? Well I schooled in canaanland. Lived there for four years. Was a severe critic of Oyedepo's type of Pentecostalism. So I was more attentive than the average student.

Truth is CU can't be liberal as long as Oyedepo is alive. Oyedepo took inspiration from command secondary school as the perfect disciplinarian template for Covenant undergraduate program. The man is probably just still in shock after that registrar kini. The thing prolly made him doubt his own sense of judgment that he decided to stay off the uni matters..

But if they push their new found crazy behaviors enough they would regret it, because when hurricane oyedepo hit them people would not call CU a glorified secondary school but a glorified primary school.