 Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 11:50am On Nov 30, 2020 |
EgunMogaji2:
Okay I’ll do a thread on it later.
What I’m doing is:
1) 16 camera Poe based security camera system.
2) Distributed audio and video system.
3) Central controlled in the safe room. This is going to be superb and highly interesting. Kudos and Godspeed on it Sir 1 Like |
| Computers / Re: Post Your Computer (PC) Troubles Here. by Horlardorjah(m): 10:54am On Nov 30, 2020 |
Hello great people, pls is it possible for me to retrieve my documents from my harddisk that was formatted and also, any hp probook goes off if I am rendering 3d on it once it gets to 40%. Is the problem with the board or harddisk. Thanks |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 10:19am On Nov 30, 2020 |
EgunMogaji2:
I’m starting to layout my audio/video design. Nice week ahead for me. I will love to learn this Oga EgunMogaji2 1 Like |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 5:20pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
Good evening house, please any one with the idea of town planning approval fee for a 3 bedroom bungalow at ibeshe ikorodu side.
it's needed urgently please |
| Properties / Re: Construction Of Mini Bakery/ Office Space By Rotech77 by Horlardorjah(m): 1:49pm On Nov 07, 2020 |
Nice one, update bikoo oh |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 3:21pm On Nov 04, 2020 |
diordaves:
The Architecture profession in Nigeria like some other professions is self-regulatory. The body does have a code of conduct that answers all the valid point you've raised. So engaging an architect in truth and in spirit is not very complicated and is not fraught with potential pitfalls. From my experience over the years, it is a very simple engagement process:
You walk (or call) into an architect's office and you tell him/her for brief. For example:
Client: I want to build a four flats storey building for rent. Two bedrooms each. I want one ensuite master bedroom and one communal toilet. I don't want a visitor's toilet. The rooms should not be too big and I like it light and airy. Do you have experience in doing this and what is your charge?
Architect: Yes I have experience in doing this. My fee is N250K but you will pay N5k non-refundable advance fee. This 5k will be deducted from the final fee after the job is done. If you change your mind pathway through you will not get a refund.
Client: Ok. Do you have any sample floor plan I can see just to trigger off my mind on what I want?
Architect: Yes. (produces three previous work for perusal)
Client: Can I take these home to study?
Architect: No Sir but don't worry, I will give you some floor plans to study.
Client: Ok. I think I like this one ( client settles for one) but I like you to make so so and so modification. (Client spells out what they want).
Architect: Ok. I will give you three different floor plans by Friday for you to go through over the weekend and let me know your decision. I can make a maximum of three modifications for free after that, any further request for modification is 5k.
Client: Why?
Architect: This is to help you make up your mind so we don't drag this endlessly.
Client: Ok. After I settle for a plan what next?
Architect: You will pay 100k to commission the job.
Client: When will the structural drawings be ready?
Architect: I will get the structural drawings ready by month-end that is 31 October 2020.
Client: That is too long. Can you do it earlier?
Architect: I have a one-week seminar in Abuja I must attend and I have some other pending jobs, so the best I can do is 31 October 2020.
Client: Ok. So I pay the balance after all job is completed?
Architect: No Sir. You will pay a further 100k for us to take the plan to the local government for approval. Then you pay the balance less the 5k after the approval.
Client: Why can't I pay the balance after the approval?
Architect: We will need to pay the local government fee which is 80k in this State.
Client: This is good enough for me. Is there any agreement to paper I can sign?
Architect: Yes Sir. Thanks for your patronage.
From the above, all the points you raised are answered. If you walk away, you lose your deposit; the architect is reasonably compensated for their time. Do you want a free plan by trick? No. The floor plan given is just a draft plan that the client can't work with without dimensions. There is a timeline for completion. You make payment at the completion of each stage and everything is spelt out upfront. � correct. you just analyzed it for even a layman to understand. you just have to pay something either you call it consultation or commitment fee, lots of we architects had already fell into hands of people like the previous man saying he won't pay till he gets a drawing kind of. either cause we were trying to gain clients or please the person that referred them to us and at the end, we get played by people like him. I didn't bother to listen to the audio cause I knew it will be true. mehn that's like the third person complaining of his attitude but I guess it works for him that way. my own dey my body too, please no one should quote or attack me oh. lemme sleep n come back 1 Like |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 4:18am On Nov 04, 2020 |
One4me:
I have been reading a few comments regarding Architectural drawings, since l asked an aggrieved member here to layout his complaints, about another member here and it is true that a lot of people are joining the bandwagon, without understanding the issues or having a shallow understanding of it or at worst, trying to be politically correct, which l dont do.
Firstly, l wanted Dennis 3D to have the opportunity to respond to the allegations, before asking Elders in the house to weigh-in but since the person involved, ibk202 said "I have moved-on", l decided there is no need to cry more than the bereaved, so l wont broach that issue anymore, let everyone draw their conclusions but l want to speak in the GENERAL SENSE, my opinion.
Let us look at the following scenarios, when a Client wants to build -
You contact an Architect for a Drawing:
a) Should the Architect ask you to bring money FIRST before he can do the drawing of what you want or does he does the drawing of what you want, show you and then you pay him
b) does he show you a sketch first and when you are not happy with the sketch, you ask for modifications , which when done, you pay him or does he insists on payment at this stage
c) Should he complete the drawing to your satisfaction and thereafter, ask for payment afterwards.
Each of the above scenario is fraught with potential pitfalls, if any of the two parties is greedy or a conman. So, let us take them one by one and we shall see why l said people are just joining the bandwagon.
PITFALLS
In scene (a):
If you pay the Archy FIRST and he does a shoddy job and you insist he should rework it but he either refuse or fails to do what you desire.
At this point, he can call your bluff and refuse to refund your money back, you are at his mercy!
Take note, Client has gained NOTHING for the effort of the Archy since what he asked for, is a Drawing that is fit for building and he did not get that, so he has to look for another Archy to do the job. So, the Client has lost all or some of his money!
How many of this kind of situation should a Client go through, before getting a drawing that is fit for purpose?
So, we can understand that person who said 'I will not pay UNLESS you give me a drawing that is fit for my purpose'.
What if the Archy is one that has the habit of collecting money from Clients and not taking time to do a good job that is usable or he is just not good at his job but keeps making money here and there (based on EFFORT), by taking advance payment that he refuses to refund when his job is not acceptable?
That is a Conman.
On the other hand, what about Clients that act as if they dont like the job that the Archy has sweated over and then refuse to pay for it, using one excuse or the other, even after all amendments have been satisfactorily done? The Client then makes away with such job and the Archy loses for all his effort? That is a Conman.
(b) In this option, the Archy FIRST does a SKETCH (no dimensions, just a layout or rough sketch) of the Plan for the Client to see and make amendments. Since it is nearly impossible to make a drawing the first time and not have the Client request for amendments because this is just like an Art work, 'two different eyes will always see it differently', the Client as a rule, will always have amendments to make.
At this point, the Archy can request for a 'commitment-payment' which covers his effort so far. Does the Client pay at this stage or insist that the amendments should be done to his satisfaction, before committing money? What if the Archy refuses to do any amendments at this point, except he is paid?
As, we saw in scenario (a) above, either of the party can be untruthful or unfaithful at each of this stages.
If a drawing is not complete, it is still not complete and not usable, so Client has to spend another round of money with another Archy.
For the Client, if the Archy refuses to do the modifications at this stage, he is still stuck with an UN-USABLE Drawing and as such, any money committed so far, is a loss to the Client, irrespective of the effort or best intention of the Archy. ConMan.
But what if the Archy does the modification and the Client disappears with his job, while still insisting that he is not satisfied with the job?
But l must point out that at this stage, since it is the Client that is determining what modifications he wants, it is very unlikely that if and when those modifications are done, the Client will disappear and refuse t o pay, because he has got a satisfactory job. In most cases, disagreements occur when Archy is not willing to accommodate the amendments of the Client.
But you never can tell if Client is a Conman
(c) Now, what if the Archy has taken his time to complete the job to the satisfaction of the Client, with dimensions and all and the Client still tries to fi[b][/b]nd a reason not to pay the Archy? this is not impossible because there are ConMen out there! What can the Archy do to ensure he gets paid?
This scenario is the exact opposite, or the other extreme of the stick, to what we had in scenario one (where a rogue Archy tries to dupe Clients by collecting advance payment and not doing the job to the satisfaction of the Client, while still not returning the initial payment), but here, it is the Client that collected a full and complete job from the Archy and is trying to use an unreasonable excuse to not pay the full money or the balance?
As we can see in all three cases, each party is capable of being unfaithful, along the line.
So, how do we strike a balance that protects the Client from extortion and pays the Archy his due, for his effort?
Nobody will like to pay for something that is not useful to them and a drawing that a Client cant use, is not useful to him, so he should not be paying for it, notwithstanding whatever EFFORT the Archy puts into it, Client is not paying for 'effort' but paying for a useful drawing. If you cant do the job properly, then dont expect to be paid for "effort". You are not engaged for "effort".
Archy in this situation must be patient and listen to the customer and try to fulfill their requirements, by amending the drawing to their satisfaction but with a written commitment from the Client to pay him as agreed.
Dont forget, what the Archy wants is PAYMENT for his drawing and what the Client wants is a USABLE DRAWING THAT MEETS HIS NEEDS.
I am sure a Client can be prosecuted, if he refuses to pay for a completed job, based on the amendments you asked the Archy to make and which he has made. (Proof of their communication will prove that the amendments have been made and met).
Clients too must also understand that Archys and other service Providers, are family men with financial need and everyone deserves a reward for their trade. If he does your job, you have to pay for it otherwise, he can seek redress from the law and dont forget, their is a bigger Judge watching both of you and God help you if that your house does not crumble on your head one day, for eating somebody's sweat.
This idea that you can 'brain' someone into getting a professional job for free (except where it is their choice to provide it for free, as goodwill) is completely unacceptable.
Both Client and Archy can also agree on staged payment but it has to be such that dissuades the Archy from abandoning job just because he thinks he has got some money that covers his "effort". In most jobs, nobody pays for effort.
Making a small Advance/commitment fee is good, in my own opinion, once you get an initial sketch (say 10%) but just like any service provider, once the initial payment is high enough, complacency will set-in and no ones gets interested in doing the job where the remaining payment is not worth it anymore. So, l dont encourage a large down-payment.
The Julius Berger example someone used up there is totally irrelevant. JB is a known and established world Class institution, their jobs are usually first evaluated by Consultants who work for the Client, whose duty is to set and ensure specifications are met, before JB even makes a bid and we have never heard that JB collected money from a Client and did a shoddy job or disappears.
And no one pays for "bids", what happens is that you are required to pay a 'refundable amount' when bidding for a job and this is given back (to JB), if they dont get the job but JB does all the groundwork at its own cost.
Imagine if every Company that puts-in a lot of Effort (Transport, drawings, Writings, models, etc) in bidding for a job and they dont get it, is now asking the person giving out the job, to refund them back their initial costs of putting in the bid or to 'pay them for their effort'?  
Where does that happen? It does not work that way at all, not anywhere in th world.
Archys in other Climates, once they get a commission to do a job, they will do everything within their professional knowledge, to ensure the Customer is satisfied, and they get Paid at the end.
You should not expect to be Paid for a job not COMPLETELY DONE, just because you put in some EFFORT.
Insulting a Client is also enough reason to terminate any agreement, you just have to learn to be Professional and be Courteous.
when it comes to verbal back-and-forth, remember what they say: Customer is King and no one insults the King without getting a bloody nose. 
Ofcourse, the Client can out of his own decision/compassion, pay the Archy a small amount for "effort", where they cannot reach an agreement on the darwing but that is at his discretion and l encourage everyone to do so, for future goodwill.
What l think Professionals should always try to do is SATISFY the Customer's requirements and l am sure a lot of Archys do that and they dont have any complaint about not being paid.
Insulting or belittling the Customer is a just a red Flag for any Professional, even if you are think you are the best in the world. Human relationship is the greatest resource any Service provider can have, that is why companies spend heavily on PR and Customer Service.
Once your name is Tarnished, your Product is Tarnished.
Maybe some Service Provider gets too rich and too big for their Clients and think they cant take shit from Clients, if that is the case, then they should know that younger and more eager Providers are springing up daily. But if you are that 'Client from hell', you need to change your ways before you hurt and destroy yourself.
I have never heard any Client come here to complain that the likes of Spyder, Aventures, Gbadexy, Abdulwastesx, Kolashange and many more, have insulted him or her, why is that? Do they pick their own Clients from Jupiter or can it be that they go all out to satisfy their Clients?
Food for thought. the client's consultant does not get paid by the client for their assessment or evaluation right? that jb is a well-known brand doesn't mean they don't go through this process too due to some even predicted situations on site that makes them do changes or correction but do you expect them to come to the press to let you know they are working to amend or adjust drawings. so how irrelevant is using them as illustration distinguished? on a normal day n at saner spaces, consultancy fee is paid before proceeding deep into any of such which is usually a fair amount to both parties. edaakun, e fimile oh. we only support good customer service relationship and satisfaction over all, there are jobs you take and make almost nothing on it due to clients corrections n amendments that takes the time you could have well used for other designs. but you stand to get referrals and you end up selling more and make your cool cash at the end 2 Likes |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 4:07am On Nov 04, 2020 |
n3xt:
Here’s what’s obtainable in saner clime (see the attached below)
Some minor changes can be done onsite without modifying a plan at all. But to a novice, everything is a big deal!
Changing the room space or door location, changing interior walls, eliminating or changing windows, changing the facade and reconfiguring the kitchen but what do I know - in a jankara market “anything goes.”
There’s never a perfect plan. Things do change on the project site.
It’s pretty simple and not something to make a big deal of.
super Cool 1 Like |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 7:27pm On Nov 03, 2020 |
megacontrol:
So you want to go about collecting floor plans for free?
Then tomorrow we complain when they ask the next client to make commitments to avoid doing osho-free work from the experience they had with you and the likes.
What you should do is brief the architect on what you want and agree on payment plan. If you don't have a unique design and you request from one of his previous works then they are at the discretion to charge a fee for it.
Its their work, or how else are they suppose to make money?
God bless you oh, ask him/her oh if he/she will approach julius berger or cappa and won't pay consultation fee before any other thing. while no one here will encourage poor communication and customer service from any professional or service provider, that method of his is not n is out of a normal practice and you can only do that for people that needs work, upcomings n those you vibe with even JB n other big firms do review their drawings too which is normal. 1 Like |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 9:05am On Nov 03, 2020 |
Ibk2020:
Chaiii... Dennis3D rude no be small.
Hajj m recommend him, that was why I trusted him. I regret knowing Dennis3D he didn't respond nor apologize on his own thread to an aggrieved client of his but quick to apologise here cause people are much here or what? well, i pray he is better now like he said koz that will help him stay relevant 7 Likes |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 5:06pm On Nov 01, 2020 |
SurveyorGeo:
I think distance is not a barrier, @Michlins can deliver anywhere yes distance ain't no barrier if they agree. n with the review from one or two folks over there that has seen his work, he will deliver |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 5:09am On Oct 27, 2020 |
Mayor78:
Lol! Here they go!
They ain't wired which way exactly?? Why weren't they?? You need certain genealogy or what are we talking about. Are you saying stealing money from a bank isn't evil enough??
You want to recommend me to a place that I would comeback with testimony if at all am still sane?? Joking me brother!
Where will you take me to nwanne? I hope you're not getting me wrong? I am not saying that local herbs or some Herbalist concortions are not potent. Offcourse am not saying such. So following you to 'a place' for testimony and not coming back needs to be qualified.
Because I am not ignorant of the possibility that you may take me to 'a place' force me to take a concoction that would knock me off, or spray me with powder of sarin or some other chemical substance that would deal with me mercilessly before an antidote is applied to attenuate the effect so that I live to give testimony.
It is a pity that here we are in 21st century Nigeria, able bodied people still opposing each other on the existence and effectiveness or not of juju or voodoo, in an era when Elon Musk of SpaceX has put two people in orbit in a trial set to disrupt telecommunication industry. When the world is on the race to discover effective vaccine again the novel virus (covid-19). Any company that discovers an effective covid-19 vaccine is in to rake in billions of dollars. Where are you taking me to brother?
Won't the juju work for the evil covid-19 that has taken the lives of million and counting in the world? You may know that the greatest evils on earth are the bacteria, fungi, and viruses that are in the race to wipe human out of existence unchecked. Since juju only do evil, there are the task. Use it to wipe disease causing agents.
Please! chief, I ain't taking you no where oh cause I know no where. all the sarin or concortion of a thing you mentioned are used by 419ers and not ritualist as we've read from several of their confession over the years. I have been in some parts of this our Nigeria and seen things. anyways, my opinion n not a bibeli fah. For we that knows it exists, May we n all ours not fall a victim of their evil. my teeth is okay please, I am not available 1 Like |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 5:00am On Oct 27, 2020 |
valencia2012:
Sir, you didn't have to elucidate by asking him to provide his siblings or himself. Let's respect every opinion. Truth is: voodoo or juju is all about fear, secrecy, illusion, brainwash, scare and the unknown. Best patronage come from those seeking solace. Now I know that I fell "under the anointing" 30 years ago because I didn't want to be seen as a sinner! I also now know that the Otokoto saga, Owerri, 1996 was not about an innocent 11-year-old boy named Anthony Ikechukwu Okoronkwo who was murdered for "rituals" but a cover for armed robberies, murders, kidnappings, cultism and 419!
With due respects Sir, let's talk/debate 5G and iPhones which just debuted, same people who linked it with covid-19 will still buy it. Not voodoo or juju. No doubt you understood me. I sincerely understand all you said sir and my intention wasn't to insult or abuse him in any way. I was just trying to chip in a point but I guess the way I coined my statement says otherwise. I also know we all entitled to our opinion n I respect people's opinion as well. sorry if it sounds insultive but it wasn't meant to be. thanks for your words 1 Like |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 4:52am On Oct 27, 2020 |
qdlvy:
Low IQ take here.
mr high IQ, move or shift please |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 8:34pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
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| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 8:26pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
Mayor78:
Really. Make them enter bank in the night where they don't need much effort to find raw loot. Usually the only security they would encounter is two police officers, then they can use the juju to locate, access, and open the vault and behold raw loot.
Millions of punters play daily or weekly lotto in Nigeria, America, Europe etc. Would the juju not be effective in winning these lotto. Weekly Euromillion jackpot runs in hundreds of millions at times. Why not come and apply juju to win these raw cash. Does these juju owners or their armed robber patrons dont want to get rich?? Just asking!! bravo! bravo! see me clapping for you. they might or will not do that cause they ain't wired that way. if you want to see the power of it, I can recommend some particular places for you to go n you will come back with testimony that's if you are still sane to remember your way home not to talk of handle a mobile phone. some fellow just type to join the wagon to trend, what an adult or elder sees sitting can't be seen by a kid standing or jumping. they use this juju/jazz for evil than good 4 Likes |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 5:06pm On Oct 24, 2020 |
omanzo02:
There is nothing like Juju, there are no invisible or dark forces that put anyone to sleep ....he may be a heavy or deep sleeper... it's only chemical mixture that react with the blood to ignite semi and fully unconscious mode, it could be in form of oral or internal adminstration.
incredible, very unbelievable that someone will say there is nothing like juju. if they get you once heh, u won't say that again |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 9:54am On Oct 24, 2020 |
twinskenny:
not sure if you can do plastering before roofing never seen it done that way before
he said after roof n not before roofing, and yes he can do it once he's done with roofing 1 Like |
| Properties / Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by Horlardorjah(m): 9:46am On Oct 17, 2020 |
haaa:
WHAT YOU DESCRIBED HERE IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THIS SITUATION BASED ON MY SOURCE EVEN THOUGH MR. RAYMONDFIRSTBORN CLAIMED I AM ONE OF THE RELATIVES WHICH IS NOT TRUE. ANYWAY, WHAT YOU SAID HERE IS NOT THE SAME.
YOU GOT A QUOTATION AND YOU ADDED YOUR OWN GAIN. THAT IS BUSINESS, BUT AS AN ARCHITECT, DURING THE KITCHEN CABINET LEVEL, YOU WILL STILL GET YOUR OWN SUPERVISION FEE FROM THE CLIENT FOR SURE BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID ADDING YOUR OWN GAIN IS A BUSINESS BEING THE THIRD PARTY THAT NEGIOTIATED THE CARBINETS PRICE. SO IT IS DIFFERENT.
LETS SAY YOUR CLIENT WANTS YOU TO GET HIM APPLIANCES FOR THE KITCHEN CARBINETS, AND YOU SENT INVOICE THAT THE ELECTRONICS GUY SIGNED, THAT SAYS A FRIDGE COST 4K
HOOD 3K
GAS COOKER 5K
TRANSPORT 1K
TOTAL IS 13K
AND YOU GET IT SENT TO YOUR CLIENT AND THEY PAY IT. LATER ON, YOUR CLIENT FIGURED FROM THE ELECTRONIC STORE THAT YOU ONLY PAY 10K AFTER THE ELECTRONIC GUY DEMANDED FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY. AND WHEN YOUR CLIENT ASK YOU WHAT HAPPENED, YOU SAID YOU ONLY PAID 10K AND TOOK 3K OFF AS YOUR OWN SUPERVISION FEE.
WHY NOT JUST SAY I NEGOTIATED VERY WELL WITH THE GUY AND I MAKE 3K OFF IT. WONT THAT BE CLEAR AND SIMPLE? ESPECIALLY IF YOU ALWAYS INCLUDE YOUR SUPERVISION MONEY ON EVERY STAGES THAT THE CLIENT IS USED TO SUCH FORMAT. WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR CLIENT WILL THINK?
all u typed up here doesn't have any meaning at all. if u not the client nor relative as @raymondfirstborn implied, then please put an end to this except you have any other thing to gain from this drama u acting |
| Properties / Re: Construction Of A Four Bedroom Duplex. Ipaja, Lagos by Horlardorjah(m): 9:41am On Oct 17, 2020 |
haaa:
@MUFUTAU55 THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT. AS YOU HAVE MENTIONED, MAYBE THEY DECIDED TO HIRE ARTISAN DIRECTLY, IN THIS CASE, I AM NOT SURE. WHAT I GATHERED IS THAT, THEY ARE NOT PLEASED WITH THE WAY THE ENGINEER HANDLED THAT STAGE. LET ME REPHRASE AGAIN, ACCORDING TO THEM, THE ENGINEER ALWAYS BREAKDOWN EACH STAGES THAT USUALLY INDICATES WHICH ONE IS FOR WHAT AND WHATNOT. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS, IN THE WINDOW SITUATION, THE ENGINEER SENT A QUOTATION TO THE CLIENT SIGNED BY THE FABRICATOR WITH THE FABRICATOR HEADLINE. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, THE QUOTATION PRICES OF EACH WINDOWS CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE FABRICATOR. NORMALLY, HOW THE ENGINEER USE TO DO IT, HE WILL MAKE HIS OWN BREAKDOWN, ADD HIS OWN SUPERVISION MONEY ON ANOTHER COLUMN TO INDICATE WHAT HE WILL BE CHARGING FOR HIS OWN FEE.
BUT IN THIS WINDOW CASE, ACCORDING TO THE SOURCE, THE CLIENT ONLY RECEIVED FABRICATOR BREAKDOWN. SO WHEN THEY ASKED FOR ADDITION MONEY, THE CLIENT REALIZED FROM THE FABRICATOR MOUTH THAT THE ENGINEER ONLY GAVE HIM 980K INSTEAD OF THE 1,057M THAT THE CLIENT RECEIVED.
SO AFTER THE CLIENT ASK THE ENGINEER, THAT WAS WHEN THE ENGINEER SAID THAT HE REMOVED HIS OWN SUPERVION MONEY OFF IT.
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE ENGINEER TAKING SUPERVISION MONEY OUT, THE PROBLEM IS THE WAY THE MONEY GOT DEDUCTED. I BELIEVE THAT IS WHERE EVERYTHING WENT SOUTH.
DID the client ask for the engineers charge on the window work when they note it wasn't included in the quote sent or they assume he is doing it for free?
before you try to pull the engineer down, ask yourself n your source that question as well then come back here to answer us
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| Properties / Re: Current Prices Of Building Materials In Nigeria by Horlardorjah(m): 6:23pm On Oct 13, 2020 |
evening house, pls do anyone here sell or has contact of any dealer that sells p.o.p materials in IBADAN. thanks |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 12:25pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
EgunMogaji2:
I agree and I’ll wager that none has to do with curing. I agree and totally support this, we have so many factors far beyond curing which are the main cause of these structural failures we are having. if you like, pond your concrete or unleashed a whole dam on it. once other factors are not in check or in place, the structure is bound to go down sooner or later. 2 Likes |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 10:33pm On Oct 11, 2020 |
EgunMogaji2:
We don’t know what caused the collapse yet. thank you very much. are we going to attribute all collapse to concrete curing ni bayi? 1 Like |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 8:31pm On Oct 08, 2020 |
davodyguy:
Saw this construction
They started the piling immediately after the lockdown in May and now roofing.
After the piling and ground slab, instead of setting blocks, they did columns and beams, decked, moved to the upper floor, no setting of blocks, just columns and beams, now about to roof.
Is this really okay? yes, it is Okay n acceptable |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 5:23pm On Sep 28, 2020 |
ollykay619:
Good day everyone,
Please I am looking to buy land in ibadan, I don't know ibadan very much, but my aim is to get land in a secure and sane area where. My priority is peace of mind. I don't like where touts can easily go and come and they wish.
Please i need suggestions/advice from the elders in the house.
I am just a young man trying to make a life decision. Make una help me my daddy's on the thread.
Hajji Mufutau55
Egunmogaji2
N3xt and all other elders in the house.
E sanu omo yin o
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| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 6:56am On Sep 28, 2020 |
xzibukz:
Hello everyone.
Pls kindly advise on the proposed floor plan, thanks. it's a good one, good design there. just try if possible for your windows not to be directly on the headboard of your bed. like move them Abit sideways. |
| Properties / Re: CHOICE Properties For Sale In IBADAN Oyo State by Horlardorjah(m): 2:34pm On Sep 21, 2020 |
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| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 7:24pm On Sep 20, 2020 |
megan1:
They are few holes on the pop for chandeliers which we haven't put yet. Could they come from there?
I don't leave the doors and windows open. The environment isn't bushy but it's not floored yet.
Thank you I will try and fumigate the roof
they could be habitating in the hollow blocks n after plastering find their way up to the roof n drop from any possible hole or space. that's just my personal opinion as their could be other ways like through your floor drains if not properly done n possibly with loads or items you moved in with like someone's also mentioned. just do thorough check n fumigate both the roof n the house extensively again. 4 Likes |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 2:53pm On Sep 20, 2020 |
omanzo02:
Seem you came in halfway into the discussion, I have no problem with ensuite masters bedroom (toilet/bathroom) because it something you will put to use for a very long time, my critical and concious point is that a 2 bedroom apartment ensuite with toilets and bath and with visitors toilet is an overkill design and waste of useful interior space.
My experience architect pointed out making all room ensuite is not necessary and resources wastage because I may not need them when the children moved out and conversion will cost extra resources and extreme makeover in case, that I don't need more than 2 toilets and one bathroom in any house to guarantee comfort.
It's not about affordability but necessity, functionality and usefulness.
and what if you relocate to another apartment, say you build another mansion or relocate to another area and rent the previous out? won't it serve the new tenant (s) or it's compulsory they won't have kids too probably you want aged tenants only? what's d size of that toilet that makes it a waste of useful interior space? The size of your land, your personal want or desire, your budget are factors that leads to having it or not n not a matter of all your said claims. Your usage of "my experience Architect" is another issue. what of many spaces you rent or lease and have to create such space with extra cost as well, that's his personal submission which works for you too I assume and is not a matter of experience or not. my thought and my humble opinion #peace 1 Like |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 12:26pm On Sep 20, 2020 |
megan1:
Pls house I just moved into my place. My concern is i have killed 4 scorpions in about 2 weeks. 3 baby ones and an average size one.
I am concerned how it could be getting in.
DPC was done. Floors r tiled (except 2 toilets i ll do later)
I usually see it in the parlor and it is tiled.
How can i eradicate it?
How do i even know where they are hiding. I have swept everywhere and didn't see it.
I fumigated in August before moving in.
Thanks check for holes/spaces on n around your ceilings, edges of your windows sills n door side. also try to fumigate your roof again. how often do u leave your doors n windows open n is your environment bushy? 1 Like |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 12:18pm On Sep 20, 2020 |
omanzo02:
A client may a have a request but it's the duty of the architect to let the client know the usefulness, cost, maintenance, functionality and flexibility. An experienced architect once told me never design a bedroom or garage that you cannot convert to an office or a house you can not sell in the future.
3WC and 2 bathrooms in 2 bedroom is an overkill. so an en-suite bedroom is an overkill or what exactly is your point here. what makes a good office space, ain't an en-suite room even better than one without a toilet? seems u don't understand what your EXPERIENCED ARCHITECT meant: he simply means your design should take care of the future so it stays updated n for easy conversion to desired space in years to come. if he advised you not to have an en-suite room, it may be that you were complaining of your purse or budget so he decided to give u what he deemed is within your budget or finance. so u don't go around saying it's an Overkill to have such in other people's design or property |
| Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Horlardorjah(m): 8:41pm On Sep 17, 2020 |
mufutau55:
I think he is just making a sarcastic comment to some discussion earlier about the Engineer/Contractors. He is also an Engineer and a Contractor here.
Hajji M. very correct |
