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preciousee17:
Oh I see the point

But somehow, that place seems to be talking about Temptations, not Sufferings
Those are two different stuffs entirely...



For instance, in that illustration I gave, of John teaching at the club and was offered money when God already warned that he shouldn't collect.
That man offering the money was a temptation.

That scripture aims to say that God isn't the one who asked that man to offer John money, that God isn't the one who asked the man to tempt John with money.
But that temptations come someone is dragged off (by who?) and enticed according to what they desire.
John desired money and was enticed with money.
It was entirely non of God's handwork.

There's no reference to cause of suffering there, apart from the fact that when we are enticed and we sin, the sin eventually leads to death (verse 18 or so)

You quietly dodged his question

preciousee17:
Both.
I'll be tempted to say mostly from God, but the reality is that it's actually mostly from the devil.
For him, he's trying his best to make you disobey God and compromise.

Let me try and visualize.

God sends a person (John) to preach to the management of a club at closing hours and the Holy Spirit makes it clear that he shouldn't accept anything from them, like money or drink.
The devil goes ahead and creates a scheme , he reminds God of when John stole the 5k and tell God that because if this, he wants to make John to lose his money. So God approves this as part of the punishment for John's theft.

Now John loses his money in the bus while going to the club to preach and only has enough money to pay hos way coming.
John arrives and pays his fare, he now realizes that he is completely broke and helpless (just as that Lady was helpless when he stole her cash).
He doesn't remember all these, but he must teach

After teaching, the managers of the club may learn something good and decide to repent, then they offer John 1k for transport.
(Remember, he isn't meant to collect money from them. Why? Because that's dirty money. And he's also serving a punishment and must suffer sufficiently so that that sin he had committed can be forgotten.)

John will surely be tempted, the devil will say all sorts of stuff to make him accept.

But let's assume John didn't accept and ends up walking for about 6hrs to get back home.

That's a classic example of Baptism Of Fire. You're suffering because you chose to obey God.
In all that, you just served the punishment for the other sin you committed.

But how do you know that your suffering is making you worthy of the Kingdom Of God? Well, first thing is to clear yourself from sinful acts, live in God, live for God, walk in His light, then if anything happens, He'll let you understand why. Sooner or later.

Thought you said everything devil does is ordered by Yahweh.
Anyway, there's a plot twist: Yahweh knows all these would happen, but still allows it because he wants us to suffer

preciousee17:
A last reason (actually another interpretation of the above reasons) is Baptism Of Fire... This is the Christians POV
We must suffer to prove ourselves worthy of the Kingdom Of God.
Not like it's random suffering here and there. It's still more like reaping from the evil they committed when they were still sinners.
But this particular suffering just comes because you chose to follow Christ. Like people laughing at you and calling you virgin Mary (and as a sinner you had been laughing at people who wore torn shoes).
Or being hated at your job place because you tell the truth (and as a sinner, you had hated your class perfect because she always told the truth).
Or worse, being beaten for preaching (and as a sinner, you had lied against people and caused them to be beaten). Many examples

On the day of judgement, these are the little things that people will suffer for. But you'll be shocked to realize that you've already suffered yours while on Earth.

The last one I'll point out is inherited suffering.
That one is simple:

A child can inherit the father's wealth
A child can also inherit the father's debt.

A sinner can inherit blessings from the parents or the environment he/she finds him/herself.
A normal person can also inherit punishment from the parents or the environment he/she finds him/herself.
Being born again usually reduces the things we inherit, and yes, if you're setting things right with God, He'll show you the source of the problem and you can get rid of it. But the unbeliever won't even know.

So why do newborn babies have cancers etc?

preciousee17:
Alright, your response wasn't quite complete but let's carry on...




Now, from the whole analogy, you've seen that John must suffer, but who's happy in the process? Definitely not the Judge, but the lawyer. Only the lawyer is happy.

Now again, I never said bad things can't happen to good people, infact, if you check well, John wasn't particularly living a bad life when his case was brought back up... This happened many months later...
Most likely, John now had a good job and was living a normal life, but the sin he committed some months ago came back for him.
That's typically the concept of sowing and reaping. Many times we reap, just know that someone had sown a seed.
Remember this phrase, “The Long Arm Of Justice...” you can almost never outrun justice.

The devil doesn't fight for justice, no. His aim is to destroy people with punishment, God only allows punishment that you can bear. So John for instance may be locked up for years, that's his punishment.
If he comes out from prison with a hard heart, ready to cause some serious havoc, then the devil's plan is achieved. If he comes out from prison with a repentant heart, and a determination never to commit those sort of little crimes again, then God's plan is achieved.

But the aim is: Justice must be served. Every seed that was sown has to be reaped.

2. God doesn't use the devil to accomplish justice, rather it's the other way round... The devil uses the excuse of serving justice to actually gain permission to persecute people.
As I always say, whenever the devil doesn't, God as a Just Judge, will judge you and make you bear the consequences for your wrongs simply because He is Just.
And the people He loves the most (most likely good people) will suffer the most here on Earth.
Why? So that they will serve the punishments for all their sins before death, and on the Judgement Day, there'll be no sin that they'll need to be punished for again (since they've already suffered all the punishments here on Earth).
Meanwhile those who didn't suffer for their sins will start arranging to do that on the Day of Judgement...

The more I type, the more I feel like I've not said enough.
My explanations are not the final say, there are other correct points of views, but everything I say is Biblical and you can request for prove wherever you disagree.

Another nice and simple reason why good people suffer is simply Mistakes, they make mistakes that have consequences.

What do I deduce from this?
1. The devil is just. He seeks justice for the old woman inadvertently murdered by John
2. Yahweh works for the devil. You said that yourself

preciousee17:
Approval... How do I put it?
Before any bad thing (caused by the Devil) happens for instance, the Devil presents what he wants to do and why he wants to do it to God. And God analyzes the petition and gives the devil permission to carry out his request, according to what the victim deserves.

So las las na Yahweh dey do all the bad bad things? Interesting

preciousee17:
Devil has his own motives. But whenever God commands... Whenever God's Will needs to be done, even the devil obeys.
But the Devil being a full-time servant of God? No.

So the devil is a part-time servant for Yahweh? Interesting

preciousee17:
Oh yes. He Himself might even punish you if the devil doesn't, infact, He usually punishes the ones He loves more thoroughly

And he ignores the ones he hates?

Michael547:
So are you saying that evil that happens to good people comes from God too?

Isaiah 45
[6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Michael547:
So are you saying that evil that happens to good people comes from God too?

Isaiah 45 [6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. [b]I am the LORD, and there is none else.
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: [/b]I the LORD do all these things.

talented321:
Are u okay this morning?.. if u are serious come to delta asaba and have the pictures..
I have seen a man pocket somebody penis inside sack bag...
The one that reduce one time they know theirselves quickly.. While the one that reduce from 5ins to 3ins they don't realize quickly... Smh... Indomie&akamu and weed...

I believe you have a phone with camera. What stops you from taking pics and video, instead of telling someone to travel all the way to Asaba to see bullshit.
SMH

gistray:
Always among poor people.


Why can't the JuJu man command the testicles to appear in his room and avoid getting caught like this?

That man had a medical condition that made his balls vanish and now he's used innocent someone as scapegoat

Its called Koro syndrome. They need a psychiatrist

chokekachy:
https://crossriverwatch.com/2023/09/breaking-police-intervene-as-man-loses-penis-testicles-in-calabar/

As a youth corper in General Hospital, Kutigi, Lavun LGA, Niger state, police guys arrested a dicck stealing 'perp' and brought the 'victim' for me to certify him dickless and issue a medical certificate. I said in my young atheistic mind lemme see if this shit is real. Lo and behold, I saw a dick way healthier and longer than mine. I was angry at the popo cretards and wrote in no uncertain terms about the good condition of the dicck.
Its unfortunate the average Nigerian IQ is way below par. If any of these people could think, they would have asked themselves why we don't see pics of these dicckless pubises. But instead all we hear are stories. It may also be Koro syndrome but then would those idiots believe that they are mentally ill?

qanda:
This write up is a guide for Nigerian Medical Practitioners who want to continue their practice in the UK.

Upon graduation from Medical School, I was eager to contribute my quota to the Nigerian health sector. Few months in practice, my hunger to serve Nigerians was replaced by another type of hunger; the hunger to continue my medical practice abroad, this was after experiencing over 9 months nonpayment of salary, governments lack of commitment to the health sector and the outdated equipment available to majority of Nigerian doctors. I developed a global mindset of pursuing personal development and contributing to the global health sector - the world is now a global village.

I searched the internet about the available options and learnt about PLAB, a two-part assessment exam that international medical graduates from outside the European Economic area and Switzerland are required to pass before they can legally practice medicine in the UK. The exam is conducted by the General Medical Council of the United Kingdom.

Passing the IELTS exam is a prerequisite to writing the PLAB exam. IELTS is a test of English Language proficiency. It is designed to assess the language ability of non-native speakers who intend to study or work in the UK. The IELTS requirement for PLAB is a band score of 7.5 (not less than 7 in each of the exam modules – writing, speaking, listening and reading). To prepare for IELTS, I used materials from IELTS online, IELTS buddy, IELTS Cambridge. IELTS Cambridge materials are available on the video section of Q and A App.

After passing my IELTS exam, I registered a General Medical Council (GMC) account on the GMC website to secure a reference number. After securing a reference number, I registered for the PLAB 1 exam. In Nigeria, the PLAB 1 exam is written in March and November in five cities including Abuja, Enugu and Lagos. The pass rate (cut of mark) for the exam is dependent on the average performance on the day you sit for the exams.

After passing the PLAB 1 exams, I registered for the PLAB 2 exams in Manchester. It is a bit tasking to secure a VISA for this exam especially if you do not have a sponsor, but its not impossible. Drawing from my experience, you’d need to maintain a healthy bank account over a 6 – 7 months period. A healthy account means that you receive a regular monthly payment in your account from a legit source, one you can explain and maintain a minimum balance of NGN800,000. The account should have minimum withdrawals.

I did not subscribe to the services of any agent to process my VISA, it was when I got to Manchester I discovered that a majority of the other participants from Nigeria secured their VISA with the service or guidance of an agent. Whether to use an agent or go about obtaining the Visa yourself is a choice.

The PLAB 2 exam is quite costly and should be well planned. There are a number of tutors for the PLAB 2 exams, they include Samson, Swamy, Hammed….. I understand that Samson now has presence in Lagos, Nigeria. This is a good development for Nigerian doctors, you can save a reasonable amount of money on accommodation by enrolling with samson in Nigeria as against traveling to Manchester – you will eventually need to travel to Manchester to sit for the exams. Note that the PLAB 2 test is not a written exam. It is a practical exam that tests for your listening skills and how you empathize with patients. Again, the pass rate is determined by the average performance of the participants.

To give you an idea of the cost of the exams, note that this is a guide as at the time I wrote my exams (2018-2019).
IELTS – NGN 75,000
PLAB 1 – NGN 196,000
PLAB 2 – NGN 395,000
Visa fees – NGN 120,000 for priority, NGN45,000 for Regular.
Flight ticket - this depends on your choice of airline and vary from time to time.
Accommodation in Manchester, I spent about NGN255,000 (one month period)

The materials I used in preparing for the exams would be available on Q and A App. I will also share how I secured employment on my Q and A App account. I encourage you to install the App from Google Playstore. If you have any questions for me, use the comment section.

I recently passed my IELTS, do you have an idea of the current PLAB 1 fees

MaxInDHouse:
You know when kids thinks they're intelligent their inexperience will prove them wrong.

He feels carrying weapons or fighting is what protects people but he has forgotten that the policeman and soldier in his neighbourhood has the weapon yet none of them can order him to empty his pocket when there is orderliness so to him Jehovah's Witnesses who are working tirelessly to achieve orderliness using the power of reasoning are wrong!

This is an example of a madman
Haven’t you heard or seen armed policemen order people to give them money or withdraw from ATM? Your madness is legendary

Aemmyjah:
Nonsense
I don't even know which fallacy to categorize your silly story

How is it fallacy? Do you even know the definition of a fallacy, this illiterate

MaxInDHouse:
Just calm down and have a rethink you will realize that it's not weapon carriers that are ruling rather the weapon carriers are used like instruments in the hands of motivational speakers who were voted/selected among the people.
So use your brain.
If JWs say "let's settle matters amicably without resorting to military action" know that it's the only way forward.
Ukrainians have weapons and their people were trained but that doesn't stop Russians from taking over their territory.

There's a West African country called Gambia it was cut out of a West African country called Senegal, go and check the West African map then come back and tell me if it's weapons that's keeping Senegalese from squashing Gambia!

Senegal is deterred by agreements with Gambia. And they know Gambia has agreement with other top countries. So if they step foot into Gambia, the retaliation would be horrible.
Ask yourself if Ukraine was made largely of JW crazies if the country would still be standing til date. Russia banned JW cos if you guys continue infesting other citizens with your virus, their army would reduce, and thus military might

DoWhatThouWilt:
Who told you they don't fight?

You don't really know much about jws do you? You think they are the lovee dovee peaceful people they appear to be? Their leaders drag rape and molested victims to court. Their members stand by the bedside to watch their loved ones die as a result of refusing blood transfusion and boast about it in their magazines.

They get mind pass you.

Their main madman here, a fellow named MadMax said they don't fight. Thus my post

MaxInDHouse:
I agree with my brothers and sisters globally regarding what is right and what is wrong, you were converted and you agreed to determine what is right or wrong on your own but the irony of this is how you're always disturbed with what others chose after you've chosen your own path!

Do you receive orders from 8 men in the US? Yes or no

Aemmyjah:
You quote from his accusations and stupid stories
Have you find out for yourself?

Your Own jw.org publication says so. Unless you're saying they are lying too

achorladey:
The first attempt is to call it lies and deny it like one of them just did by saying........

Liars quote liars

They never get tired of the lies

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't possess guns yet the policeman or soldier around you never attacked you then it's not weapons that's protecting JWs from our neighbours o, it's common sense!

Read my post and answer with common sense. We are talking about neighbouring countries invading you. Bastaaard

MaxInDHouse:
Those that converted you into this mess!

Sorry. Nobody converted me unlike you. I don't take orders from anyone unless from my workplace which is understandable and required. About what I believe and how I live my life, I don't take orders from anyone . But you, you take orders from 8 bald men in the US. Orders on how to live, eat, pray etc. Even how to fvck. Idiotic illiterate

Aemmyjah:
Liars quote liars

Lol. So your organization is a liar? That publication indicting you guys is from jw.org. Look at it closely
Lollest [b][/b]

MaxInDHouse:
YES! According to Jesus of Nazareth God takes good care of both the righteous and the wicked {Matthew 5:45} because we are all His children! Genesis 1:26
The only difference between the wicked and the righteous is doing God's will while the wicked may have their prayers answered feeling they're in a relationship with God they will miss the most important thing which is the doing of God's will! Matthew 7:21-23
Jesus promised that when two or three are gathered in his name (thinking about how to do what he commanded) he will chairman such a gathering {Matthew 18:20} leading them in doing God's will.
That's the blessing exclusive only to believers that's why it's very very important to find out the gathering of those doing God's will and not just where prayers are answered because God opens His hands to satisfy the desires of all people! Psalms 145:16

Which believers? The ones mol@sting children?

itu404:
For the past few weeks, we have been on the subject of prayers, an important aspect of the believer. God hears all we say, just like man-made bug can transmit conversations in your bedroom, to an eavesdropper, thousands of miles away, just like a mobile phone can send your voice to somebody in another continent. God no doubt, due to omnipotence and omnipresence abilities can hear all. The real question is does he answer all? As bitter as this may seem the answer is No. God may answer some specific prayers to show you he is real and in an attempt to led you to him [Remember God loves all and God is love] but, claiming the prayers for your relative who was sick made him well can be disputed because others who are no christian also get well. Real and prayers that God answers are these: one, you are washed in the blood of the lamb- you are memebr of the community of faith, called royal priesthood, see 1 Peter 2:9, But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: and Two, if your prayer is a cry of repentance or a prayer for others to be saved. Many are praying amiss today, see James 4:3, Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. This kind of prayer is the weekest form of prayer; like i wrote sequel to this article, the best prayers are prayers of repentance, for God looks forward to receive them for God is love and the other, is interceding for others to repent for God wants the ‘saved’, to stand in the gap for others to be saved too. The bible says in the book of Matthew 5:15, Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. If you have seen the goodness of God as expressed through his son, jesus you want others to know God, too. There some prayers that are nothing but abomination before God! see Proverbs 28:9,He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Remember, in the bible Abba, meaning daddy is the exclusive reserved for those members of a family. Galatians 4:6, And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. be part of this family today!

So who has been answering the prayers of atheists in China, that are now more successful and richer than the prayerful Nigerians

MaxInDHouse:
So it's weapons in your possession that's preventing a policeman or soldier from attacking you shey?
Ọmọ you need to start thinking like an adult!

Lol. Nigga has gone full psycho. What has this reply got to do with my post? Are you this crazy?

MaxInDHouse:
You will cry and cry and cry if you don't believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are smarter than your bosses!

My bosses? Who are my bosses? You mean my professional bosses or what?

Aemmyjah:
Quote where I said such case has never happened
They may have happened, I dunno
I have not personally seen or heard any here
Our children are safe with us and any of us
Many parents these days allow us talk and teach their children
Half brain people like Jaephoenix say jws (making it look collective) abuse children

Scroll up and read where you said those stories are from my twisted mind. Stop lying

Aemmyjah:
What is an atheist doing in the religious section of nairaland?
Ur mumu no too much
I've not and never claim we are the best cos we don't measure ourselves to others
This is the way
This is the truth

Lol. Maybe your eyes have been avoiding the posts of your buddy MadMax. Please try and be reading his posts

achorladey:
You should know they are liars and manipulators. They will even lie and deny their publications and the so called Jehovah's organisation to save their own face and lies.

Look at the image attach well. Members have been caught in child molesting since close to 40 years ago and up till today Jehovah’s organization still fight the government for investigating them regarding cases recorded based on child molesting.

Aemmyjah Maxindhouse cuman read something. Your organization publication say those accusations na true oh

MaxInDHouse:
Your stupidity: my own house only Jehovah's Witnesses lives in there so whatever makes us uncomfortable with what others around us believe should tell you that we can't occupy a country and feel comfortable, we will go and meet them no matter where they live.
Even though they're not ready to accept our faith we want them to know our beliefs and how we wish to make peace with everyone.

What the fvck is this? Did you read that post? Did you even understand it after I dumbed it down to 2 year old level. Fvck me! Indeed this mental illness called JW is terrible.

MaxInDHouse:
How many have you caught in your neighbourhood?

Look at my question and reply it. Stop being stupid