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Christianity EtcRe: The Truth About Heaven And Hell Fire by Janosky:
Righteousness89:
THE TRUTH ABOUT HEAVEN

GOD Almighty, our Creator and Father is in Heaven. Heaven is the Abode of GOD.
Matthew 6.9
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

John 12:27-28
27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

Heaven is a Holy Place. It is the Most Beautiful and Holy place. There is no want of any Good thing in Heaven. It is a Place that needs no Sun or moon. The Glory of God Lightens Heaven

Revelation 21:18-23
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

There are Mansions for the People of God in Heaven. No Hunger! No Sorrow! No death! No pain in Heaven.
John14:1-3
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Heaven is Abode of the Righteous, the Pure in Heart , Those who have been Redeemed and all whose Names are in the Book of Life..
Matthew 5:8, 10-12,
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

No Abominable person or Sinner can Enter Heaven , Not even by Mistake..

Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Isaiah 35:8-10
8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:
10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

THE TRUTH ABOUT HELL FIRE
Hell was not Created for Human. Hell was Created for the devil, His agents and demons but Humans who Chose to Reject God and the Free Gift of Salvation from Jesus Christ will all be in Hell Fire.
Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Everyone who Refuses to Believe in Jesus Christ , Continues to Engage in sin and sees no no need for Repentance will be in Hell.
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

All whose Names are not in the Book of Life are Hell Candidates
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The Good News about this is that we all who are alive have a Privileged opportunity to make our Path Right with God. We have the Rare Privilege to access The Mercies of God and Make our ways Right.

No Matter the Sin you have Committed! There is Room at the Cross for Forgiveness. The Blood of Jesus is well available to wash and Cleanse us . The Blood of Jesus Christ is available to Make us White and pure..

He says in Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Let's make use of this Privilege and as we do so , Heaven will be our Portion in JESUS Name
Continue DECEIVING yourself with man made DELUSION.
Below is the AUTHENTIC rendition of
Psalm 9:17

The wicked shall be turned backwards to Sheol ("the grave"wink and all the nations that forget God."
The screenshot Evidence exposes this monumental Fraud in Christendom grin
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Bros I challenge you to tell NL if the same word (Hebrew 7585) in Psalms 9:17 you DUBIOUSLY claim to be hellfire is called hellfire @ Job14:13 & Psalms 6:5 ?

How many persons done die in heaven for God to wipe away non existent tears?
Bros, your misquotation of Revelation 21:4 is very ridiculous.
Matthew 5:3,5 no dey your Bible?
@ Matthew 5:3,5, did Jesus not confirm Psalms 37:29 and 2Peter3:13?
grin grin.

Christianity EtcRe: What's Your Favourite Bible Translation And Why? by Janosky: 11:53am On Sep 13, 2020
mu2sa2:
It's amazing the number of different versions of the bible out there- jw, catholic,
orthodox, kjv, niv etc. And they're not just versions- they are not the same, e.g catholic bible has 6 more books than others. Which of the bibles is THE word of god?
For centuries "only begotten son" appears in john 3.16, but the "new" bibles renders it as "one and only son", dropping begotten. Are they now saying the Christians of yester- years believed in the wrong doctrine in that jesus was not begotten of god?
"One and only Son" means 'only begotten son'.
John 3:16 and Hebrews 11:17-18 means the same thing.

In lay man's terms, the only begotten Son refers to the only child or first child given a Blessing ,Favour or Position above other children of his Father.

For example,
Only David was begotten among his father's children. David was given kingship in Israel. No other child of Jesse had it.

Only Isaac was begotten among Abraham's children. Isaac alone was given the Blessing to produce the promised seed, Hebrews 11:17-19.

Only Jesus Christ was given the privilege to sit at our Almighty Father's right hand with power& authority. Math20:18. Rev3:21.

Final VERDICT.
Revelations 3:5,12. John 20:17.
Trinity GIBBERISH is a man made DELUSION.

Case closed. grin
Christianity EtcRe: What's Your Favourite Bible Translation And Why? by Janosky: 11:26am On Sep 13, 2020
ZinoFasisi:
If you are using anything other than KJV, no be bible u dey read
Bros, No dey DECEIVE YOURSELF grin
Christianity EtcRe: What's Your Favourite Bible Translation And Why? by Janosky: 11:23am On Sep 13, 2020
LordIsaac:
KJV anyday because to me, you feel the power as it resonates from the Word! cheesy
Why you no dey speaketh "thou", saith" shalt" in your speech and in writing?

Why you no dey feel the power to speak that outdated, archaic 10th century grammar in your NL posts?

grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky: 11:24pm On Sep 11, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Are you implying there is no hell?
Bros, the same word "Sheol" (Hebrew 7585) is at Psalms 6:5, Psalms 9:17, Job,14:13, 1 Samuel 2:6 and 2Samuel22:6.
Sheol (Hebrew7585) refers to the grave. Not hellfire.
No mind the KJV DECEIVING gullible sheeples @ Psalms 9:17 since the 15th century.
The KJV FRAUD of Psalms 9:17 DUBIOUSLY code the subliminal message as "hell", them know say your mind go think say na hellfire, whereas actually ,it is "the grave" (Hebrew 7585). . grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky: 11:03pm On Sep 11, 2020
haddeylium:
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You believe all good people go to heaven right?
What flesh are you clothing them with?...THINK
Do flesh and blood inherit it?
You see how a clown you make yourself


The Hebrew word Nephesh translated to soul means Breathing creature
Gen 2:17- God didn't infuse in him an immortal soul but a life source(breath/spirit) to resurrect the dead soul.
When the breath goes out, what do we have (breathing creature or Not-breathing creature??

Again
The soul who sins is the one who will die.”​—Ezekiel]




King James Bible
And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, andand of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep
:

New Heart English Bible
Levy a tribute to the LORD of the men of war who went out to battle: one soul of five hundred; of the persons, of the cattle, of the donkeys, and of the flocks.

American Standard Version
And levy a tribute unto Jehovah of the men of war that went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the oxen, and of the asses, and of the flocks:

Check the image attached for the original ordernj
You can begin your research on what Ne'phesh (soul) means if you love truth.

While you're at
Know that the doctrine of soul immortality is the teaching of demons (1 Tim 4:1)
It has no support in the Bible, it rooted in pagan custom(Google Plato hypothesis on it)
I showed you numerous verses that says the Soul die: you couldn't mention a single one with immortal soul

God said Adam(breathing creature) will die and return to dust. Satan said he'll not- and it's sad, Satan is using you as a tool to propagate this lie that Man does not die in actuality- they only shed skin like snake


Jesus word
John 8:32- You'll know the truth , and the truth will set you free from the shackles of this superstition

Peace be unto you
Jah bless you,my Bros.
Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky:
KNOWMORE56:
Once you have understood that [b][/b]The SOUL that sin will die![b]

Does not cancel [/b]the soul is immortal[b],
[/b]
Let me know so that we can go to hell/hellfire/lake of fire.

Death means separation from...

1. Physical death = separation from loved ones;

separation from the earth;

separation of the body from the soul.

2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);

separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:cool

So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.

Alright?
"Is it lawful to kill a soul or save a soul on the Sabbath day?"
"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and lose his soul?"
Bros , Jesus Christ is asking you?

Mark3:4 , Matthew 16:26, Jesus Christ has confirmed that the soul is mortal.
Therefore,Ezekiel18:4 is SACROSANCT.
Bros, STOP TWISTING IT ;[/b]D grin

[b]Bros, a question for you:
when you factor in the words of Jesus @Mark3:4 and Matthew16:26, Where did Adam's soul go to when he died?

Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 10:14pm On Sep 11, 2020
Maximus69:
TRINITY only lives in the brains of brainwashed Churchgoers, it is not found anywhere in the scriptures so what you typed up there is your PERSONAL opinion my guy!
Just quote or cite a verse out of the 31,200 verses of this book called "Bible" that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God!
If you can't then it simply means you and all your cohorts have been defrauded by Satan and his demons big time, what the Bible consistently say is
"In order to gain Salvation, everyone must believe that JESUS is God's Only begotten Son unbelievers who refuses to acknowledge this has been judged already so they will perish" John 3:16-18 smiley
The screenshot of Bros brocab speaks volumes.
Brocab quoted Wikipedia, yet he sold out his brain to a man made DELUSION unknown to Jesus Christ and all servants of Jehovah God. grin.

Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:55am On Sep 10, 2020
brocab:
The JW asked "Should we worship Jesus?"
Answer: The answer to this question largely hinges on Jesus’ identity.
If Jesus is regarded as deity in the same sense as His Father, then we should worship Jesus.
If the New Testament documents identify Jesus with Yahweh, then we should worship Jesus.
If He is merely a prophet of God, the worship of Jesus would not be appropriate. Given the Bible’s insistence that worship is to be directed to God alone, any God-fearing individual will need a satisfactory answer to this all-important question.
The apostle Paul called Jesus “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) and points out that, prior to His incarnation, Jesus existed in the “form of God” (Philippians 2:5–cool.
God the Father says regarding Jesus, “Your throne, O God will last forever and ever” (Hebrews 1:cool.
The apostle John says that “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word [Jesus] was God” (John 1:1).
Other passages identify Jesus as the Creator and Sustainer of the universe (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16–17; Hebrews 1:2).
Jesus receives worship several times in the Gospels (Matthew 2:11; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; 20:28). Jesus is never said to reject such adoration.
Rather, He accepts such worship as well placed. So, does the Bible portray Jesus as fully deity? The answer is certainly “yes.”
With that being said, Christians need to recognize that the Bible also teaches the deity of the Father (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2) as well as the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3–4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
And yet the Scriptures teach that there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4).
How can this be?
The Christian church has historically taught that the Bible is clearly portraying God as one Being who exists in three Persons.
In summary, the Bible teaches that Jesus of Nazareth is nothing less than God the Son, the second Person of the Triune God (Trinity).
In view of this, He is due our full worship and devotion. To fail to worship Jesus Christ would be sinful
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But these bible verses are not for you JW-these scriptures are to complicated for you..
"So called God the son Fraud, is clearly a Man made satanic contraption contrary to the holy scriptures.
JWs shout Hallelujah for the truth Jesus Christ have confirmed in Matthew 4:10 & Mark12:29-30.

Jesus Christ has spoken.

Bros, enjoy your Fraud & have a great day.
Shalom.
Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky:
Ken4Christ:
So, you are saying, it should read, the sorrows of grave or the pains of grave? How does it sound to you? You are contradicting yourself because you believe the dead knows nothing. So, how come they are having sorrows in the grave and pains also? You must believe one. If you say it was wrongly translated hell, that it should be grave. Is there sorrow in the grave?
No dey DECEIVE yourself Bros. grin
These are the scriptures you are changing their true meaning to suit your hellfire scam.
I will quote each of them here.
1kings2:6, " go to Sheol/the grave in peace.
Psalms 6:5, Psalms 9:17,Job14:13-14,
1kings2:5-6
David Instructs Solomon
…5Moreover, you know what Joab son of Zeruiah did to me—what he did to Abner son of Ner and Amasa son of Jether, the two commanders of the armies of Israel. He killed them in peacetime to avenge the blood of war. He stained with the blood of war the belt around his waist and the sandals on his feet. 6So act according to your wisdom, and do not let his gray head go down to Sheol in peace.
Psalms 6:4-5 ,Darby Bible
4Return, Jehovah, free my soul; save me for thy loving-kindness' sake.

5For in death there is no remembrance of thee; in Sheol who shall give thanks unto thee?


Psalms 9:16-17
16Lord Jehovah makes known the judgment that he does, and the wicked is caught by the work of his hands.

17The wicked shall turn back to Sheol, and all the peoples that forget God

Job14:13
If only You would hide me in Sheol and conceal me until Your anger has passed! If only You would appoint a time for me and then remember me!


Verdict:
Sheol meaning "the grave" not hellfire.
To call it "hell", is a misnomer.
The Better word is "the grave".
From the Bible's Evidences here, we can all agree that there is no locus standi for Mr Ken to hold on to his long held deception and make FALSE claims contrary to the holy scriptures-

Case closed grin cheesy grin

Christianity EtcRe: Hell Is Not The Final Destination Of Lost Souls by Janosky: 12:00am On Sep 10, 2020
Ken4Christ:
Don't digress. I have proven to you that hell fire is real. And it is not the physical grave. The terms use in connection to it doesn't fit a physical grave.

The Bible talks about sorrows of hell.
It also talks about pains of Hell.
It also talks about the gates of hell.
Our Lord Jesus said he has the keys of hell.
Jesus also talks about damnation of hell -Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

The Bible always talks about souls being cast or thrown into hell. Do you throw people into graves? Dead bodies are gently lowered into graves but lost souls are cast into hell.

Besides, it is humans that bury people in graves but there is nowhere that humans throw people into hell in the Bible.


I could go on and on.
Continue to console yourself with FALSE claims.
Psalms 6:4-5, what is David doing in that place, Hebrew 7585?
Job14:13-14, what is Job doing in that place, Hebrew 7585?
Who will put both men in hell @ Psalms 6:4-5 and Job14:13-14 ? grin grin
Because you have something to hide, Why have you refused to explain why your Bible use "the grave" and "hell" for Hebrew 7585 "Sheol"?

Anyhow you want to twist Hebrew 7585, that same word applies to Job , David and everyone else in the Bible, except Jehovah God & his angelic sons.
Your wishy-washy claim can't change that grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:33pm On Sep 09, 2020
brocab:

[b]This just shows no-one can help you! You believe in something you could never see, feel or even sense-[/b]you can't see the truth, so how does Christ take you seriously if you aren't willing to come to Him in Spirit and in truth..

You believe in a unknown god-by his say, her say-Allah-Jehovah will save you..
Opp's animals live without a Spirit, like you-having no spirit..
Brocab, most confused of men and faithless Triune pagan idol worshipper, DECEIVING himself. grin grin
2 Corinthians 5:7, please confirm if it's in your Bible.
Also, confirm that Exodus 6:3 & Acts 3:13 (KJV) are in your own Bible.

grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Christianity EtcRe: What Does 1 Peter 3:19 Mean? by Janosky: 10:24pm On Sep 09, 2020
madegreatbygrace:
18. "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
19. by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
20.who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.”
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭3:18-20


Did Jesus actually preach to the spirits in Prison?

Who are the spirits in Prison?

Some scholars put up a theory that they are the souls of old testament saints in hades . The point is that Jesus went down below to proclaim His death and resurrection to these souls.

But the question is why would Jesus preach to only the old testament saints?

Some also theorized that Jesus went to hades to goad or further condemn His enemies.

This doesn't make any sense at all. What would the Lord gain from preaching to condemned souls? Would that make them repent?

Looking at these three verses above, it seems there's a syntax issue during translation.

In v18, Peter writes about the resurrection of Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is clear.

But v19 is tricky. It seems the "he" refers to Jesus. It appears Jesus went to preach to the spirits in prison, especially when you read from the previous verse. This has already been disproved, however.

The risen Jesus didn't have to preach to the spirits in prison. But somebody did.

So who could this be.

Well, looking at the three verses in context, the only person who could have done it would be Noah.

Noah is called the preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5)

By that same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead, Noah went to preach during the time of the flood, when the ark was being prepared, in Genesis 6. Only eight souls were saved while the the disobedient perished.

In other words, Noah went to preach when the ark was being prepared to those whose spirits are now in prison.
Psalms 104:29 = Genesis2:7 = Eccl12:7 = breath of life/spirit (life force) returns to God.
As in only God can resurrect (give back breath of life/life force/spirit ) to dead soul/dead being.
Genesis2:7 breath of life/life force/spirit+ dust= living soul/being.
Opposite of living soul/being= dead soul/being.
Psalms 104:29 if God stops breath/spirit/life force, a living soul/being/person becomes dead soul/being/person..
For instance, electric current (breath/spirit/life force) powers/activates your appliances (the human being/soul/person) to function/bubble with life.
When you switch off the electric current (cease breath/life force/spirit) where does the current go?
No where, until you switch it back (resurrection).

When Noah preached to the rebellious, no one listened, na when them done die and unconscious in the grave those rebellious humans go listen ?
(Eccl9:5-10)

1 Peter 3:18 Christ was resurrected to life in the spirit realm and (in verse 19) preached to rebellious spirits , fallen angels, demons bound in Tartarus ,2 Peter 2:4.
(Tartarus is not hellfire /hell. Go and learn !!).

Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky: 9:31pm On Sep 09, 2020
KNOWMORE56:
Don't worry, the Word will tell which is which.

It's clear from the Word that the human body is dust/ earth/clay...

*. Genesis 2:7 "KJV:And the Lord God FORMED MAN OF THE DUST of the ground, and BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS the breath of life; AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL.

*. Genesis3:19 "KJV:In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: FOR DUST THOU ART, and unto DUST SHALT THOU RETURN"

*. Ecclesiastes 12:7 "KJV:Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: AND THE SPIRIT SHALL RETURN UNTO GOD WHO GAVE IT.

Note:

(*1)
FOR DUST THOU ART...DUST SHALT THOU RETURN...AND THE SPIRIT SHALL

RETURN UNTO GOD WHO GAVE IT.


*2
So we can see that man = body + soul +
+ spirit ✓
Bros, there is NOTHING in Genesis2:7. 3:19 & Ecclesiastics 12:7 which in any way support your False Triune claim of man.

Which scripture in your Bible says the soul returns to God?
In fact, your (*1) is Scriptural proof that your *2 is man made Fraud.

From Genesis to Revelations ,You have no Scriptures to support your wishy-washy claim of *2. grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky: 4:18pm On Sep 09, 2020
Ken4Christ:
You are grossly dishonest. Gehenna was used figuratively. Jesus wasn't talking about the physical place called Gehenna because at that time, it was never used to burn humans but refuse.

If you are in doubt about any message, you make consultation with other Scriptures to establish the truth.

Our Lord Jesus gave a Parable of the wheat and tares and he interpreted the tares to be the children of the wicked one that will be burnt with fire. He didn't use Gehenna here. He also did not use hell here. Are you saying that Jesus didn't know what he was saying. Read the full passage below;

The Parable of the Wheat and Tares

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The Interpretation

Matthew 13:37-43
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

If after reading this passage, you still don't believe that there is a place of torment where the wicked go to according to the very words of our Lord Jesus, then you are a child of the devil and you will not escape the damnation of Hell.

Do you know it is wickedness to see the truth of God's word and deny it. God is warning people of the danger of Hell so they can correct their ways but you are telling people otherwise. That makes you an anti Christ. And your judgment will be worse because you are turning people away from the truth of God's word. Please repent before it is too late.
Bros Ken, you are not honest. grin cheesy
Jesus NEVER said Gehenna is a place of everlasting torture, why do you FALSELY claim that Mark9:43-45 is talking about hellfire?
Whereas, Bros Ken confirmed that nobody was tortured and tormented forever in Gehenna.

Matt13:30,40 "Gather the gates and BURN THEM", did Jesus say the tares are tortured forever in your hellfire? cheesy grin

Jesus says fire burnt the tares.
Let's agree that "the tares" represents "Wicked People burnt by fire, according to Jesus Christ.
Bros, do you mean that Wicked People of Sodom & Gomorrah are still gnashing their teeth now? grin grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky: 3:52pm On Sep 09, 2020
Ken4Christ:
It's my claim that there is sorrow in hell? Please quote your own version or translation of the same verses I made references to. Did I write the Bible? If hell is grave, then there is sorrow in the grave. But we know that lifeless bodies cannot sorrow, so the Scripture couldn't have been referring to the grave.

Translators are humans and they can make mistakes. If the Bible, not I says there is sorrow in hell, can that hell be the same grave we all see?
1kings2:6, " go to Sheol/the grave in peace.
Read am in any Bible.
Psalms 6:5, Psalms 9:17,Job14:13-14, Job , David and everyone else went there.
Your Bible says Hebrew 7585 is "the grave, hell, Sheol' , NEVER hellfire.
No dey DECEIVE yourself,Bros.
The only mistake is you who FALSELY claim that Hebrew 7585 is hellfire
.
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Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky: 3:35pm On Sep 09, 2020
Ken4Christ:
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Adams body returned to the dust but we are not told where his soul went to.

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You can't use a few Scriptures to refute the fact that hell doesn't exist when there are scores of Scriptures to support it's existence.


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Hell is not even the final destination for lost souls. Those in hell will eventually be released for final judgment and will be thrown into the Lake of fire which is worse than hell.

So, you had better give your life to Jesus and serve God faithfully before it is too late. God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does.
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Bros, is Genesis2:7 and 3:19 in your Bible?

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Bros what is the meaning of Hebrew 7585 in your Bible @ Psalms 6:5 and Psalms9:17?

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You are very confused, Bros.
Christendom claims that God tortures people forever in hellfire grin & our Bros ,
Ken4Christ said:
"Hell is not even the final destination for lost souls. Those in hell will eventually be released for final judgment and will be thrown into the Lake of fire which is worse than hell."

Ken4Christ says torture in hellfire is not forever, Lake of fire will take over from hellfire, Bros you are confused grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky:
KNOWMORE56:
If we look into the Word, we'll see that there's hell.

The way it's used some places, it's not the physical grave but the place for departed souls.
Bros, who told you Hebrew 7585 in Psalms 6:5 and Psalms 9:17 mean different things?

Who told you that Hebrew 7585 in 1 Samuel2:6 and 2Samuel22:6 mean different things?

Bros, Whatever you interpretation you give to Hebrew 7585in Psalms 6:5, Psalms 9:17,
1 Sam2:6 and 2 Sam22:6, your Bible says David and Job went there to rest

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Continue to DECEIVE yourself grin

Yahweh have spoken:
Ecclesiastes 3:20
"All go to one place: All come from dust, and all return to dust."


Genesis2:7

Then Yahweh formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living soul.


Job 34:15
all flesh would perish together and mankind would return to the dust.

Psalm 90:3
You return man to dust and say, "Return, O sons of mortals."


Psalm 103:14
For He knows our frame; He is mindful that we are dust.


Psalm 104:29
When You hide Your face, they panic; when You take away their breath, they die and return to dust.



Ecclesiastes 12:7
before the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Genesis3:19
In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return to the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and to dust shall you return.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:27am On Sep 09, 2020
brocab:

No-one has seen God at anytime-so how do you believe in someone you don't know 'He actually exist-you have never seen Jehovah-you are only going by his say, or her say-that Jehovah lives..
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You could be barking up the wrong tree-you couldn't live without believing in something else, obviously you didn't like to be a Muslim..
Maybe the Muslim community had throwing you out..
The bible is there to study 'my friend-it's there to learn from it, to understand it-to believe-Spirituality and naturally-we can't believe in our own will, this is why we ask in God's will to teach us, as promised.
We are all here to learn the scriptures-the problem is, you claim to believe-question is-"what do you believe? obviously not in Word of God.
The Muslim's believed Allah will save them-the Watchtower believes Jehovah will save them-it's understandable why you had chosen the Watchtower, believing directly into the bible would confuse you even more-you needed something that makes sounds closer to your ears.
It won't matter how many times we have produced the scriptures to you-your heart's telling you Jesus is either a Prophet as the Muslim's believe, or what the Watchtower teaches, Jesus is only a son-just like the angels.. ""Nothing more..
Brocab, the Triune IDOL WORSHIPPERS is doubtful Jehovah exists.
John 5:37,John 20:17,Jesus Christ His Son & Servant (Acts3:13) CONFESSED his Father and our god, Jehovah exists. Our faith solid.

2 Corinthians 5:7, JWs walk by faith and not by sight."

Brocab who WORSHIPs only what his own eyes can see- those triune idols in the screenshot.

Faithless Triune IDOLS WORSHIPPERS
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Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky:
Ken4Christ:
I want to take you on your submission that hell is common grave. Now answer this questions;

1. If hell is grave, why did the Bible says that it's a place of sorrow and pains?

2Sa 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Psa 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psa 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

2. If hell is grave, why would Jesus said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church?
-Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Does the physical grave have gates.

3. If hell is grave, why did Jesus said he has the keys of hell and death?

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Does the physical grave have keys?

I am ready to learn but please answer these questions one by one. Tell me if you have seen people in sorrow inside the grave or in pain inside the grave. Tell me if the millions of graves have gates and keys that unlocks the gates.
1. It's your claim Ken4Christ, your Bible NEVER said Hebrew 7585 is a place of sorrow and pains.
Have you ever seen a dead people feeling pains in their graves?.

Job14:13,14.
New King James Version
“Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, That You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, That You would appoint me a set time, and remember me!.

Job prayed to go to Hebrew 7585 and rest grin


Bros, Revelations 1:18, does death have keys?
Don't you think it has gates and doors too?
No be keys go open am ?
Why cherry pick only one and leave out the other.

If you don't understand Revelations 1:1, you can never understood verse 18 grin

Again, why does your KJV Bible change Hebrew 7585 "the grave" @ 1 Samuel 2:6 to something else @2 Samuel 22:6 To DECEIVE YOU & gullible sheeples?

* Matthew 16:18, "Gate of Hades',
Bros, no dey DECEIVE YOURSELF, is Hades (Greek 86) a place of everlasting torture and torment ? grin

Why is Hades thrown into the lake of fire?
Please go and LEARN !!!! grin.
Your Pastorpreneurs can't help you. grin


Is it not the same DUBIOUS thing you saw @ Psalms 6:5 and Psalms 9:17?
Why does the KJV change Hebrew 7585 and give it 2 different meanings which the holy Bible does not do ?

Christianity EtcRe: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky:
Ken4Christ:
Answers to these questions won't change your unbelief. The Scripture has overwhelming evidences to prove that hell fire exist. You claim Hell is the physical grave. Hell is not the physical grave. Let's look at a few Scripture and see how it will sound like replacing the word hell with grave.

1.The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.(Psalms 9:17).

If Hell is the physical grave, both the righteous and wicked people are buried there. But the Scripture says it's the wicked that goes there. Hell can therefore not be grave. How does it sound to say that the wicked shall be turned into grave? It sure doesn't make sense
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2.Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.(Proverbs 23:13-14).

Hear, the Bible says we should discipline our children so as to deliver their souls from hell. If hell is grave, the child will be buried in it whether you discipline him or not.

In addition it says that the soul may depart from it. Souls are not buried in the grave. Only lifeless bodies are buried in the grave.

3And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (Mark 9:45).

Here the Bible says that the fire in hell is never quenched. Is there fire in the grave?
Bros, let us check the KJV very well and EXPOSE the way it is DECEIVING you..
Just examine the screenshots thoroughly.

Questions for you:
Bros, what is Hebrew 7585 @ Psalms 9:17 and Psalms 6:5 ?

@ Psalms 6:5, Why would David,(a righteous man whom Yahweh loved so much )be going to Hebrew7585, which you claim is a place of everlasting torture and torment?

What does your KJV Bible call Hebrew 7585 @ Psalms 6:5?
Why does your KJV change Hebrew 7585 "the grave" to another different word @ Psalms 9:17?

Do you now AGREE that Hebrew 7585 "the grave" means the same thing anywhere you see it in your Bible?
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Bros, no dey DECEIVE YOURSELF grin grin

Mark 9:43-45, Jesus is talking about Gehenna (the Incinerator,Rubbish dump outside Jerusalem), is Gehenna hellfire?.
Do you have PROOF that a living person was tormented forever in Gehenna?
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Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:16pm On Sep 07, 2020
Eagban:
We will never be able to see things from the same point of view simply because you use a version of the Bible that has been very much corrupted by the governing body of your cult group...
I have a excessive amount of Bibles to choose from knowing fully well that the translators are not a dishonest lot like your NWT translators.
Shame on you, LIAR. grin

John 17:22 King James Bible

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one

Jesus spoke that statement in John 17:22 which Eagan is TWISTING @ John 10:30.

Brother Maximus simply quoted your KJV John 17:22, adding no Maggi and Pepper to the verse.

Matt19:4-6 Husband and wife are one.
1 Cor3:6-8, Jesus disciples(Paul and Apollos) are one.
John 17:22, Jesus disciples are one just as Jesus and his Father are one (John 10:30).
Why do you add your own Maggi and Pepper into the holy Bible?


I challenge you to show us Greek 2316,Theos
@ John 10:30 in your own Bible.

Bros, Is John 17:22 NWT saying exactly the same thing @ John 17:22 KJV?
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Christianity EtcRe: Why Don't Apostate Just Move On With Their Lives by Janosky: 3:30pm On Sep 07, 2020
Emusan:
Holy Spirit came as the greatest teacher and the disciples' knowledge were brighten and they never reached any wrong thing because the Holy Spirit is a working in them.

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Janosky:
Mr LIENUS, "Jesus disciples never reached any wrong thing", why were they disputing about the issue of Circumcision?
Absence or presence of holy spirit can not remove imperfections of Jesus followers.
Emusan:
Does the issue of circumcision has any effect on salvation? No!

Circumcision has nothing to do with salvation
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Mr Lienus dey console himself grin. grin

Bros the disciples get holy spirit yet they never stopped fighting & quarreling among themselves on matters of doctrine , cliques , factionalism and what have you grin . 1 Corinthians 1:11
"My brothers some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrells among you."

Acts15:2 "This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute on the matter of Circumcision.

Galatians 2:11-14, The disciples practiced hypocrisy "they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel", God's people led by holy spirit
Mr Lienus vamoose from here with your Lienus
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Christianity EtcRe: Stop blasphemy God by Janosky: 2:50pm On Sep 07, 2020
MuttleyLaff:





[size=12pt]First and foremost, there is nothing like Mr Projection FRAUD exponent because as you hopefully can see from John 8:42, the Greek word, "exerchomai", from the original text, means, proceed forth and come out from (i.e. projection)

Secondly, nobody is blackmailing you, no one is threatening you, but it it is you incessantly withholding embarrassing and compromising information that you know, if you divulge or admit to, will damn you, so you deceive yourself with burying the truth by not answering any of the two questions relisted below, with an added bonus:

1/ Why is 1 John 5:7 in the New World Translation (i.e. NWT, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses' official bible) but Matthew 18:11 and the shy under twenty other verses don't get to have a presence or entry, like 1 John 5:7 does, in the New World Translation (i.e. NWT, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses' official bible). Hmm?
2/ Is the artificial name, Jehovah word, ever in the Greek original text, hmm?
3/ Did Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, ever use the artificial name, Jehovah word?[/size]
Lionel Messi came forth from Argentina, therefore Lionel Messi himself is Argentina.
Pele came forth from Brazil. Therefore, Pele himself is Brazil.
Because Jesus came forth from God, Jesus himself is God.
That is the projection FRAUD you FALSELY claim to explain away your man made GIBBERISH.


Muttleylaff no get SENSE grin grin grin grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:46pm On Sep 07, 2020
Eagban:
You said Jesus is of a divine nature.. So how many other human beings do you know are of a divine nature?
Don't you think you are confusing yourself?
Bros , John 10:34-36 Jesus says himself is a god.
Sons (plural) of God are gods.
The son(singular) of God is a god.
A god is divine, godlike, of God, like God,
divine nature/divine quality.
Exodus 7:1, God made Moses divine (like God). grin.
John 1:1, the word was divine (a god,like God, divine nature/quality) not God in person.
Phil2:6 'But existing in the form of God' = you see am? Of God= divine, godlike, like God.
(Bros what is your Dictionary definition of divine? See Screenshot. Dictionary no lie grin)
Son of God= son like God. John 10:34-36.
Please, shine your eyes and RECEIVE SENSE grin grin

Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:37pm On Sep 07, 2020
Eagban:
@bold why is one a capital letter and the other one a small letter?
You only know how to pervert the Bible.
Is everything in your old testament Bible written in capital letters?
Isaiah 9:6 you quote from, is everything there written in capital letters?

Why capitalize 'MIGHTY GOD' only?
What of the entire verse 6? Or the entire Bible you quote from?
Don't be hypocrite looking for flimsy excuses grin.

MIGHTY ONE/MIGHTY GOD , if you write it in small case, the Hebrew language meaning doesn't change.
Christianity EtcRe: What Is The Doctrine Of The Trinity? by Janosky:
solite3:
Did you answer the question I asked you?
Joshua 5:13-15, Jesus Christ is the angel of his Lord, Yahweh. Every angel is a created being, the Angel of Joshua 5:13-15 is no exception. He is an angel of Yahweh. (Psalms 148:2)..

Jesus is the victorious archangel Michael @ Daniel 10:13 & Revelations12:7-9 who leads other sons of God to victory @2 Thess1:7-9 and speaks with an archangel's voice,1 Thes4:16.
(Hebrews 259 means the same thing in Genesis 4:19 and Daniel 10:13, go figure it out)


John 7:16, Yahweh is not a Messenger/Angel for anybody, but His own son , Jesus is Yahweh's Messenger.
Joshua paid homage to Yahweh's angel.
No servant of Jehovah worship angel... grin
Take it or leave it, it's your choice.
Your opinion is insignificant as far as the Bible speaks.

Christianity EtcRe: What Is The Doctrine Of The Trinity? by Janosky: 10:54pm On Sep 06, 2020
solite3:
you are unwell, since you sense was sold to your GB Luciferian cult.

Liar, which question did I dodge.
Solite3 LIENUS. grin grin
If two being has one person, that is one person in two essence
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This is the very reason you dodged the question.
John 4:24 "God is a spirit".
How many person is that spirit in John4:24?

Christianity EtcRe: Stop blasphemy God by Janosky: 10:35pm On Sep 06, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
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[s]You're defiantly and increasingly, deliberately and repeatedly systematically withholding factual information, so I'll re-ask you again, to deal with this easy, simple, direct, innocent, harmless, and straightforward questions nah, instead of excitedly foaming and drooling from all corners of the mouth

1/ Why is 1 John 5:7 in the New World Translation (i.e. NWT, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses' official bible) but Matthew 18:11 and the shy under twenty other verses don't get to have a presence or entry, like 1 John 5:7 does, in the New World Translation (i.e. NWT, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses' official bible). Hmm?
2/ Is the artificial name, Jehovah word, ever in the Greek original text, hmm?

Just simply already give your answers to the above questions and let's get a move on[[/s]/size]
Mr Projection FRAUD Exponent, JWs won't fall for your cheap blackmail.

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."*John 17:6,26
"I have revealed your Name to the children of men, those whom you have given me from the world; yours they were, and you have given them to me, and they have kept your word."

." 26"And I have revealed to them your Name, and I am revealing it, so that the love with which you have loved me shall be in them, and I shall be in them."


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Whether MuttleyLaff like am or not, Yeshua spoke his Father's holy name, YHWH Jehovah.
Jesus Christ & his followers spoke Aramaic and Greek respectively during his earthly ministry.
Bros, STOP deceiving yourself.

Muttley WAILER grin grin

Christianity EtcRe: The Most Mysterious Doctrine - The Trinity of The Godhead by Janosky: 10:31pm On Sep 06, 2020
Acehart:
Yes. He is the Servant of Jehovah. Anyone who doesn’t know that is deceiving himself/herself.
Janosky:
No be by mouth, e no dey reach your heart grin.
"Trinity of Dog heads" grin grin
Acehart:
You are a mind reader too? Praise the Lord!!
Triune pagan IDOLS WORSHIPPER living in denial.
Facts are sacred. The screenshot said all.

Christianity EtcRe: The Most Mysterious Doctrine - The Trinity of The Godhead by Janosky: 10:29pm On Sep 06, 2020
Acehart:
You are a mind reader too? Praise the Lord!!
Triune pagan IDOLS WORSHIPPER living in denial.
Facts are sacred. The screenshot said all.

Christianity EtcRe: Stop blasphemy God by Janosky: 10:10pm On Sep 06, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
The only person disgracing himself here is you, as you havent commented on how 1 John 5:7 got a mention in the New World Translation (i.e. NWT, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses' official bible), being that it is an insertion, but other almost twenty odd insertions, that is including Matthew 18:11, got treated as a pariah by JW organisation and never got a mention in New World Translation (i.e. NWT, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses' official bible) but are total AWOL in the New World Translation (i.e. NWT, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses' official bible), hmm?

Deal with this easy, simple, direct, innocent, harmless, and straightforward questions nah, instead of excitedly foaming and drooling from all corners of the mouth angry angry angry

1/ Why is 1 John 5:7 in the New World Translation (i.e. NWT, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses' official bible) but Matthew 18:11 and the shy under twenty other verses don't get to have a presence or entry, like 1 John 5:7 does, in the New World Translation (i.e. NWT, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses' official bible). Hmm?
2/ Is the word Jehovah, ever in the Greek original text, hmm?
Bros, You see but you don't read English, my comments is not in French grin grin
Go back to my posts and read as long as it takes you to understand it line by line , including the screenshots of 1 John 5:7.

John 17:6,26, Jesus Christ says your claim is HOGWASH. FALSE.

Assignment for MuttleyLaff:
Bros, go and ask other Bible translators why they are hiding the holy name of Jehovah God which Jesus Christ said himself proclaimed everywhere
John 17:6,26.

Also, ask other Bible translators why they refused to tow the path of Jesus Christ and translators of the NWT and Aramaic Bible

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