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[quote author=A-40 link=topic=170354.msg3197232#msg3197232 date=1228755117]Hmm what can i say i missed the game but seeing the Boys lose 17 points in the 4th was just heart-wrenching i[b] think Romo should write a book on How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory [/b][/quote]*shivers* that was cold 40, plain cold  
 

As for the Giants i still think the whole Plaxico drama had a bit to do with their loss to the Eagles

I found it funny how thruout the week the analysts and Giants players reminded us how they've won and been winning with Burress and that they would be fine come sunday . . .

 Now Romo can gain redemption next week at home should be further demoralize the Giants as the playoffs approach.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg3197249#msg3197249 date=1228755333]@Jesoul
Seriously if the Cavs get home-court on y'all in a playoff series they would not fall short ooh[/quote]The Cavs are a 1-man team. Using the Lakers template, find a way to neutralize or contain or at best limit the damage from Lebron, and shut everyone else down, Lebron cannot win by himself. Remember the stinker of a 'series' in the finals?

  The Celtics have a huge weakness though: lack of offense from our bench. Ainge needs to trade for someone before the deadline or sign someone or else repeating will be a tall order with the current reserves.

MrCrackles:
Your stupidity and level of buffoonery are unmatched

You should be ashamed of your gobby mouth as well as your old as.s self!!

Idiot!!!!

Posts like game_rod's are good for one thing: Ignoring.

tpia:
many church members and leaders have been wired to insist the only way to serve God is by being a worker.

A daggone shame.

JosBoy4Lif:
What the hell is going on with the raptors they drop their last three straight.

Give it some time, I think the Lizards will play better as the season progresses. But if you're putting your hope in O'neal, you'll need to re-assign it so someone else. Jermaine is over the hill.

Today's loss against Portland was a heart breaker.
(Oden is such an unpolished player, but Portland looks good and I don't how?)

2 Reasons: Brandon roy & the deep bench.

On a lighter note I see the Cav's giving a run against Boston in the east.

They'll give us a run sure, but will fall short as always 

I think Detroit will fall off by mid-season. Allan Iverson is too individualistic for the Pistons system of play.

I'm sure Dumars knew that when he signed off on the trade. I believe they wanted cap space so they sacrificed this yr's "success", they'll let him go after this season.

I am still a firm believer that OJ Mayo will be MVP because he takes 20 shots a night, and plays for a depleted roster.

Dude, its early in the day, what are you smoking?   

[quote author=game_rod link=topic=205128.msg3197121#msg3197121 date=1228753228]It is true, you have to belong to a group or you are not serving God publicly, open service is a requirement, not a closed service, you grab? Service is not just going to sit down and bench warm, you have to also serve the Lord with your might, either become a driver, a sunday school teacher, part of the people who tidy up the chuch before or after service, you just have to belong to a group.[/quote]Please can you kindly attach the book, chapter and verse in the bible where this requirement for belonging to a church group is?

damiso:
So i just have to even when my spirit does not lead me to? so that i can publicly show that i am serving God? Does public service then equal true service? please i am not in anyway castigating workers because i know Nlanders and their anaylis,they wiil start saying that i said being a worker in church is bad, am just saying that i do not want to join the organised structure.

Well said.   Mt 6:1 Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

omi tutu:
I was about to hide my earlier prediction about a late season Giants implosion,
but judging from last night's performance, they might be helping to keep Doyindamus's
reputation intact.

hehe a Giant implosion sounds good to me, go 'head and work it out though prophetic one! 

But the Eagles can pat themselves on the back especially the way they dominated
upfront against a vaunted Giants Defensive and offensive line. A Eagles running game
that has struggled looked really good especially in the second half.

Yeah I kept waiting & expecting the whole time for the Giants to turn the game around but it never came . . .  they flashed the time of possesion late 4Q 19mins - 7mins  that was impressive by the Eagles. The McNabb/Reid lynchers are silent for this week at least.

I feel for the Cowboys though. But for that wrong route by Jason Witten they might
have positioned themselves for a field goal.

The Cowboys have had several occasions to rise and prove the naysayers wrong. But for Romo to throw the GW TD to the wrong jersey was very very bad.

And the Pats. . . . oh so close. Seneca Wallace was about to give me a chance to stick a tongue
out. Anyways, for being so close, take this

hehe the football gods will not permit you to have 100% prophecy rate, call it their insurance policy to keep you grounded Mr cold warra 

damiso:
Before anyone attacks me about not having the holy spirit, i do.Its just that i have had the opportunity to work with so many people in church and have realised that since it is also a gathering of humans,there tends to be so much hypocrisy and politics(ie sis lagbaja said this,bro tamedu did thatetc).

this is why a lot of people have become disenfranchised with the church. My sister you have the right heart and the right mind in this - let the Holy Spirit lead you, and don't be intimidated or persuaded by the fleshy leanings of men. Being a church worker does not make you more or less holy, one might not even work within the four walls of a church at all but yet be deeply involved on the streets and community centers serving and volunteering - it all depends on where God has called you.

Was I the only one happy to see the Giants lose? The biggest win of the season for Eagles without a doubt, McNabb can work on improving the value of his stock for the offseason move.

Eya A-40, pele . . . Romo showed his ugly side at the worst time possible, too many TO's for Dallas & with remaining games against the Ravens, Giants and Eagles, the playoff picture is looking bleak.

The AFC east has a 3-way tie for 1st place . . . the Pats are looking sketchy, struggled against a pathetic 2-win Seahawk team. I will consider it a bonus if we make the playoffs.

KunleOshob:
@Jesoul
Intersting topic, i am suprised it is coming from you though, because[b] you have always been very defensive of church doctrines in the past whether right or wrong[/b].

lol . . . I'm in a good mood today kunle, so I'll overlook this cheap shot which if begged for evidence would fall flat. I've always been defensive of the bible, to that I'll plead guilty.

@At all
As i have always advocated on this forum we need to re-examine the practise of our christian faith.

And re-examination is not even something to be done once in a while, it should be a daily thing. Not just for the church as a whole, but moreso each christian on an individual basis, becos afterall, we'll only have to answer for ourselves.

DavidDylan:
I'm no longer sure if a lot of "pastors" are still reading the same epistles that the apostles wrote 2000 years ago, i'm no longer sure what role denying oneself for Christ plays among the body of Christ anymore. I don't even know what it means to be called a "christian" anymore.

Is it now a social club for the religious pharisees?

By their fruit, we have known them. Humility is not fashionable these days David.

The real problem is that we're calling a fallacy the "body of Christ". To me, when by their very actions they contradict the definition of godliness, I feel it not right to ascribe their shortcomings to the entire true body of Christ. The body of Christ, the remnant, is strong, growing, praying, dying to themselves daily and living not for themselves but for Christ. When the Light comes, this kind of darkness will have nowhere to hide.

Sisi Jinx:
Interesting Topic!

Just a one teeny tiny correction, they don't say Make Jesus your Lord and Persona savior, they say TAKE. . . Do You TAKE Jesus as your Lord and Personal Savior.

lol . . . I haven't heard that one yet.

DavidDylan:
thank you. Saved me having to explain all over again. JeSoul, my point in a nutshell.

Point taken sir  .

You have a point. There's one thing i noticed, create an atmosphere of fear (of hell, the devil and the afterlife), play some emotional music and you are bound to get emotional reactions from the congregation (popularly mistaken as genuine conviction).

The idea that saying a 5 sec sinners prayer automatically makes a person saved is false.

Exactly!

I usually remember the conversion of the Eunuch by Philip. It was he who was reading the book of Isaiah, it was he who asked the questions about salvation . . . Philip's role was not to "lead him in prayer" but to guide him through a journey of discovering salvation.
Note that Philip must have seen the body of water but it took the insistence of the eunuch before Philip would baptise him.

Right on the money. Also remember the Jailer in Phillipi, he asked of his own accord "sirs what must I do to be saved". The problem is we're trying to do the convicting work of the Holyspirit, instead of simply letting the power of the gospel take a hold of the person and bring them to their knees.

Conversion is a heart thing, your pastor cannot do it for you neither can merely repeating a generic prayer save you.

Amen. The thing is the new 'convert' does not know this fact! and they leave with this false assurance of salvation. Just last sat I was speaking with a brotha was spoke of how he believed that one one point. I shudder at how many people more are sitting in churches with that same belief.

Cristalz:
You seem to be missing David's point.

Jesus is already Lord yeah,but he isn't Lord over an individual's life until that individual makes a conscious decision to that effect. Jesus doesn't force anybody to put him first in their lives. . .you make that decision all by yourself.
When you choose to do that, then he is your personal Lord. Emphasis on ''personal''.

I see what you & David mean and it makes sense. My intent on raising that point in the first place is that when the disciples/apostles were evangelising, putting it in that form and structure was not used even once.

Dearie you would be surprised at the number of people that actualy get saved that way. Of course it doesn't go down that way for all, but it happens.

and I acknowledged that in the original post:

JeSoul:
Now are some genuinely saved through these methods? absolutely yes, because God can bring about good from our wrongs. But does this justify the wrong? absolutely not.

DavidDylan:
It is true that Jesus IS Lord but it is our conscious duty to make the personal decision to accept him as Lord over our lives. So in that sense i don't see anything wrong with "making Jesus your personal Lord and Saviour.

True we make the decision to accept Him and follow Him BUT we don't make Jesus Lord, He already is, right?

Is there anything wrong with an "altar-call"? I say not . . . Because the bible does not expressly say that Peter called for those who wanted to be saved to come forward does not mean what we do now is wrong.

I agree. My beef is not with the altar call in itself David, it's moreso with the way it is prevalently practiced: calling the sinners down, playing the emotional music, telling them to repeat a prayer, and then declaring them saved - that's what I mean by "altar call" and that's my gripe lays brotha.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg3181625#msg3181625 date=1228411755]Sometimes i think Mr Cuban is just trying too hard[/quote]You hit that right on the money. I pity him sha, it was a reflex reaction, everyone was making a move in the west to position themselves for the postseason. This should serve as a lesson not be overreact to what others are doing.
  The Celtics almost traded Pierce two seasons ago right around the time when we lost 18games in a row for some youngins in return . . . what a shame that woulda been.

I've been meaning to talk about this for a long time now. I read a book a while back by Ernest Reisinger called "Today's Evangelism" written before I was born but there was so much truth that was in the 1980's that still rings true today. You will not go wrong if you buy n read this book, I got it for only $3 bucks at amazon.

  There are many people walking around today who believe that they are "saved" because they were led to believe that if they prayed the "sinner's prayer" Jesus would "come into their heart" and they would make Him their "personal Lord and Savior" and they'd be all set for heaven. After they're done repeating the prayer, the preacher then declares the person "saved".
  Rubbish. 

-I challenge the Christians to show me an example in the scriptures where Jesus, or any of the apostles, disciples etc led people to Christ in the prevalent format we see today. A church setting the preacher makes an invitation for the altar call for the 'sinners' to come forward, while the congrgation sits and watches, the worship band is playing softly creating an emotional atmosphere, he leads them in the 10 second prayer, and then declares "If you just said that prayer you have been saved". Jesus as far as my bible reads did not hold a single altar call once or lead people in the "sinners prayer".
-I also challenge you to look into your bible, search and nowhere will you see anything like making Jesus your "personal Lord and Savior". We don't make Jesus Lord, He IS Lord.

Infact in one of the best examples of a service, when Peter preached before thousands, he did not give an altar call afterwards, he did not lead the crowd to say the "sinners prayer" But instead the people convicted by the HolySpirit, asked Peter, "what should we do?" People as they experience the power of God in the plain simple gospel were moved and convicted by the HolySpirit, and took the next step to submit their lives to God.

They weren't coaxed or persuaded into conversion. Much of today's evangelism is a hollywood, romantic spin-off that is empty of real power in bringing about real and genuine and long lasting change in people. Today churches are filled with people who are lost, still clinging to their idols and sinful lifestyles, having never truly repented and all the while believing (because their pastor told them) that if they said a prayer they would be saved.
Now I know not everything is in the bible, and if a practice has biblical basis then it is permissible. But in this instance I think examples are aplenty on how to go about this business. Now are some genuinely saved thru these methods? absolutely yes, because God can bring about good from our wrongs. But does this justify the wrong? absolutely not.

eya A-40 I feel for you, Kidd is really stinking up the AA arena. But like the shrinks always say, the first step to healing is to move on  don't look back as Devin Harris continues to throw up mile high stats and rub it in Cuban's face, even when he is selected for the All-star team, refuse to entertain regret of what might have been . . .

  and in a few long painful years you'll find a new stud that'll make you say "Devin who?"    and if this doesn't work, there's always Prozac  ask Bawo, I hear he keeps a large stash in case of emergencies.


Doyin sweetie,
  I would be more generous and lavish with my verbal recognition of your genius, but consider my rare acknowledgements as a sincere effort  to help keep you humble   
  and what did you do/say to make Seun ban you yet again? and what inspired "Omi tutu"? I would think you'd be more of "Omi gbono"

Wassup saints, hope everyone is doing well and please more stories/words of encouragement/etc . . . some of us are hiding behind the scenes and enjoying from a distance .

Stay blessed!

JosBoy4Lif:
Your right the addition of guys like Gasol and the step up of Ariza and Bynum are great additions. Imagine All-Star
ScrODOM coming of the bench
But none of these guys are champs, really they are not champion calabre players.
Can they go up against the likes of Pierce, Allen and Garnett. Powe will body baby Shaq Bynum anyday

. . . this is my kind of bobo right here   abeg speak that gospel truth. Perkins alone will eat Gasol for breakfast  

JosBoy, welcome aboard!    

A-40 A-39, why you dey wish us bad now?

Doyin, even if self let the Lakers go 80-2, they will end up like the 06 Mavs crashing down in the finals to the beast of the east . Don't put your eggs in Clevelands basket oh, LeBron's heart is already in Madison Sq.  

@all . . . you should be afraid, be very afraid Doyin no be only the Giants sabi chop winch
We need 1 championship per yr in beantown, since the Sox and Pats struck out this yr, the Celtics will make up for it. Let the people say "Amen!"

But honestly so far it's Rondo that has really impressed me, his quickness, steals, increase in assists, fearlessness driving inside and his ability to dictate the tempo of the game . . . without him the C's would be a slow team.

Psalm 127:1
Unless the LORD builds the house,
its builders labor in vain.
Unless the LORD watches over the city,
the watchmen stand guard in vain.

Portland has quietly raked up a 12-6 record. Are they for real or this is just a replay of last season?

The knicks have finally banned Starbury from the team permanently. They could not reach an agreement on the buyout price . . . Stephon is not a fool, if it were me I'd want the full $20 mill owed me too  Donnie Walsh does not get any sympathy from me.

lol . . . now that was an ankle breaker to remember!

doyin13:
These pundits be yeye people. . . . .One week, Favre na the fave for MVP honors.
then one loss, and he drops out of the reckoning.

I thot I was the only one noticing. Talks of the Jets being the "best AFC" team have suddenly gone quiet after losing big to the schizo Broncos. It's looking more n more like the Giants could go back2back

doyin13:
The Pats. . . .Eeeeyah. Jesoul darling, did you see that sequence
in the third quarter wey ur quaterback jus dey fumble like Emulewu.
I bet it made more than one Pats fan to chant A A A A A A A
_{no mind me jor. i too like to dey find trouble}

thankfully I missed it, only caught the 4th Q . . . the fumbles and dropped passes have been a frequent occurence. The remaining schedule is not too bad, but I doubt this current squad can do much damage in the playoffs.

You see the fall of San Diego? 4-8 for supposed SB contenders. I almost feel bad for them.

Iverson refused to show up for the Pistons practice on thanksgiving morning. The team pulled him from the starting line-up and fined him as well I think. He's apologized . . . but rumors are aplenty that his teammates are not happy with him there so far.

As for the Stephon, while I think he's made his bed and should lie in it, the knick organization are equally air headed. The way they've handled the whole situation has left a lot to be desired. If you ask me, I think they deserve each other

  _{. . . yet another interception}

bawomolo:
at least we are making the playoffs, 10-6 is reachable . anyway i would avoid this thread for a while

hehe I like this kind of delusion confidence . . . where can I get some? 

Fellas lets not waste cyberspace talking 'bout half-baked cookies like Carter and McGrady their time has come and gone.

Don't look now but the Spurs are 9-7 and can only get better. Iverson's already fueding with the Pistons, mehn I was wishing so much for this dude. And I was just reminded Starbury is making $20 million this yr alone what an injustice.

lol . . . Bawo shouldn't you be in bed getting your rest for work tomorrow? It's only 8:07p for A-40

I shouldn't be suprised but the Vikes are manhandling the teddy bears . . . no mind me sha, I'm looking for some amusement and consolation after the Pats poor outing today

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg3138643#msg3138643 date=1227663769]@Jesoul
Save for a few showtime dunks Vince Carter has never really been all that same for his cousin T-Mac [/quote]1000% Agree!

i do like Kobe too i just want him to win a ring without Shaq so that his greatness would be sealed and no one would be able to say he couldn't do it without Shaq he came close last season but no cigar

Shaq's freestyle: "Yeah you know about me, last week Kobe couldn't do without me" lol . . . Kobe might be hearing this for the rest of his life 

A-40,
  you're right though that GB woulda prob been better with him. I look at this as "addition by subtraction". Same as in the Manny situation, they were 'better' with him but the strain it put on the team didn't allow for real and long-term progress - so they cut him loose. Same as with Favre, the guy just had too much drama jare.

bawomolo:
quick question guys.

which of these teams is leading their division

chicago bears
indianapolis colts
new england patriots
dallas cowboys

this "leading their division" question is very misleading  had the others been in a crappy NFC north division, along with the Detroit kittens and their "pursuit for imperfection" . . . we for "lead our division" too . So lets see the actual record of these teams shall we?

chicago bears: 6-5
indianapolis colts: 7-4
new england patriots: 7-4
dallas cowboys: 7-4

   now which of the above teams is statistically the worst? 

bawomolo:
the family members, the groupies, the endorsements, a weed baggage carrier in joakim noah, and passes from derrick rose shh

lebron would be smart to go with NJ or detroit. vince carter, devin harris and lebron in new jersey would be killer.

All of which he can get double in NYC

and forget Carter jor, his time has come and gone. NY is the basketball Mecca, add a Bosh or Wade beside him and that's a wrap.

doyin13:
The Knicks are the first to show their hand in the chase for
either LbJ, Wade or Bosh, by getting rid of Crawford and Randolph.

So bring on another losing season or two in NY.

and for the first time, I really believe Lebron is going to bolt straight for MSG, and Wade/Bosh is very likely to follow. As a Bball fan, I would love to see that happen!  Bawo. there's nuthin waiting for Wade in Chi-town  .

  What else is there to say? Bos vs LA will be the clash of the year so let Christmas day come quick!