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rikkyjen:
Yes o! and am quite surprised A-40 & Jesoul have not been here to eat the sweet and humble pies have been feeding them in the Colt's last 4 games. ,

lol . . . who let Rikky out of the institution house again huh? The Colts have the easiest schedule of all the AFC wild carders, they could take advantage and have a good chance at the postseason, hehe but the football gods will ensure Peyton has an early summer

A-40,
looks like hope is renewed in Dallas, I hope it lasts for your sake and Bawo is right about Bratt. Someone reckoned he's saving all his fatal, agonising INTs for the postseason I'm more than inclined to agree.

And how about Matt Cassel! back2back 400yd passing games and not afraid to take to the ground and rush for TD's, I now hafta apologise for yabbing him earlier. People are now talking about is he a better option than Brady . . . now the guy is good but lets not get carried away. and Joey Porter & his big mouth should just go and sit down somewhere

Doyin,
I hear you oh jare, forget wall st., e go betta for us by the special, impartial grace of God and the GR is doing well, thanks for asking sweetie it's been taped episodes past few weeks but we go back to Live broadcasts in a month or so. If you were here, I'm sure you'd make a great special guest

And your analysis of the McNabb-Reid situation hits the mark. Well I guess McNabb had it coming . . . after starting the yr hot he's lost all the steam. But to do so in the middle of a playoff hunt? highly questionable. I say they're both done in Philly after this season.

bigmodo:
God Bless America. I Wonder What my life would have been like without America. God bless America. I hope and pray that one day i will get to America. i love you america and i hope you get to love me oneday by making me get to you. America.

ROTFLOL . . . bigmodo I will pray & fast for you! you must get to this America oh!

doyin13:
Jesoul . . . . .

now u don confuse me.

First I had you as a ACLU anti big brother, Orwellian activist.

Now, your sarcastic take on the bailout pits you as a Republican conservative.

Jill of all trades eh. . . . .
Just don't put any Ralph Nader references anytime soon.

LOL    honey you can't slap a label on this package    . Reps suck, Dems suck, liberals suck, conservatives suck too. I belong to the close to extinct race of humans called "Common Sense People" 

   . . . if the Automakers get a bailout, who's going to come next? the retail industry? the grocery stores?   greedy CEO's making 10million a yr in bonuses want to pinch my already leaking wallet for change?    Making useless American cars that nobody wants to buy, abeg file for Chapter 11 jor

While Bawo is dreaming up a Bears SB run, I dream of being in those current sessions on the Hill, carrying an AK47, _{with hard rubber bullets containing ata rodo,} . . . 
          raises the gun: "now ask for me money just one more time CEO . . . "

hehe A-40 lef am . . . Bawo abeg carry on, it is good to dream, fantasizing never did nobody wrong


. . . until the rude awakening when reality bites you in the butt and wakes you up!   

The Houston bandwagon has stalled    their "big small three are all ailing not even 15 games into the season. I say the Rocket fans should _lower their expectations so they can be pleasantly suprised if the Rockets have a good playoff showing 

and I heard some whining is coming out of detroit 'bout fewer FGA's for Rip & co since AI's entrance. Everyone knows Iverson is a SHOOTER!!! so you knew EXACTLY what you were getting when you traded for him so what's the beef?   

  Nuggets are rolling . . . they might actually become relevant now, and imho, Carmello is highly overrated 

  and the hell is wrong with the Hornets? they are .500 at 5-5 did they run out of jambalaya? 

The lakers are still the team to beat though

unfortunately you're right    they are afterall the western defending champs. and by the way, na swagger we go chop?  besides you never hear say swagger pride comes before a fall? 

A-40,
I hear say Cuban is in legal trouble for insider trading . . . . geez, nuthin is going well for the Mavs

Now that the Lakers have lost, rationality can now return to the building

If we haven't learned anything past few seasons, we've learned that streaks mean little come playoff time. Houston won 22 games in a row last season . . . . that did not help them during their 1st rd exit. Celtics dominated the season but Atlanta almost sent us home. The playoffs are a whole different ballgame - all about match-ups.

In other news the Knicks are 6-4 . . . not bad so far, looks like d'antoni found a way to get the guys to show up.

I had to wipe my tv screen and adjust the settings to see if the 37-3 scoreline was accurate Bawo wetin happen to your boys? they didn't have breakfast? of all teams the reeling Packers spanked the "ferocious" Bears?

A-40 congrats on the win . . . . but scoring 14 measly points will not be enough to beat the elite teams. But beating Washington must be an ego-booster for the 'Boys.

and how about dem Titans 10-0 I'll be cheering for them to go undefeated, a very tough feat.

bawomolo:
uncle andy reid needs to be flogged. what's the point of correl buckhalter on your team? to get the tough yards. i believe a QB option were donovan mcnabb get's to hand the ball off or scramble would have been a better play. then again there's a reason i should never be allowed a pee wee football team .

matt forte is trying o, he can block and catch the ball. something cedric bumson could never do.

Bold offseason prediction: bears release Olewale Ogunleye

gee . . . I wonder what that reason could be

and wetin the yoruba boy do you wey make you say dem go cut am loose?

Thrilling OT loss yesterday . . . . gosh can those players stop getting foolish penalties that cost us games?  Cassel threw for 400yds  I think I'll get off his back now

Anyways, this weekend attractions:
Den vs Atl - I expect Atlanta to improve to 7-3, they have been one of the top suprises this yr
Bal vs Giants -  I guess it's going to be 9-1     
Det vs[b] Panthers [/b] - Carolina should dismiss the pussies very easily   
Philly vs Cincy - The eagles cannot let this easy opponent slide by if they want to remain in the playoff hunt     
Chicago vs GB - Chicago should win, but with Rexy on the field I wouldn't take that to the bank 
Hous vs Indy - The Colts will not have an easier game all yr long, this should be an easy W at home
Titans vs Jax - Go TITANS!!!! Keep that streak alive!
Chargers vs Steelers -  As long as the INT demons have been exorcised from Bigben, they should win this at home.
     
Cowboys vs Washington -  Very important game that will affect playoff standing or tie-breaker over wildcard slot. I have no pick here, may the better team win!

CLE vs BUF  - why is this on MNF? I hope the Bills lose - as A-40 would say na "division bad belle" 

I am suprised at the 4-3 Hornets - I picked them to win the most games out west. They're not looking nearly as sharp as they did last yr. Well lets see how the season progresses.

Also suprised at the[b] 3-5 76ers [/b] . . . I thot the addition of Brand woulda had an immediate & undeniable impact

And looks like the Clippers move for Baron Davis is a bust. 1-7 and Dunleavy feuding with Davis does not bode well for them at all.

A-40, geez your Mavs are in big trouble. I think big changes need to be made by trading deadline if Cuban wants to make the playoffs & go deep.

Lai,
     [quote author=lai-lai link=topic=148652.msg3082736#msg3082736 date=1226592837]@jesoul, what do u mean by universe will right itself, lol,[/quote]ah ah you don't know?   
The universe being right = Celtics winning & lakers losing  , Patriots winning, RedSox winning, Bruins winning, low gas & snapple prices, Simpsons episodes on marathon all day, everyone believed in Jesus, modern hiphop abolished, Bono was made president, Bin laden behind bars _{or better yet punished by death penalty}, Mulder & Scully proven right that aliens do exist, internet scammers had their fingers and knee caps broken etc . . . .    you know, these types of things make for a perfect world   

By the way, it looks like the Ron Artest cancer has spread thruout the Houston team . . . http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=281112021

note to Houston: being "tough" doesn't mean you act like thugs, it means you win big games against big teams

Good to see Oden back and surviving a game without an injury

Those Hawks are looking good. However no team can consistently hit 3pters at 60% against quality teams to win. They remind me of the hot n smoking Trailblazers who started incredible last yr . . . we all know how they finished the race.

Celtics need to to tie up their boot straps and play better. Tough task to do so every night but hey that's why they're getting paid millions of dollars.

Lakers are looking unstoppable thus far emphasis on looking. I already spoke to the jazzman and he said not to worry the universe will soon right itself . . . . lol

KunleOshob:
My dear i haven't side stepped from my original line of dispute, what i have done is to give additional evidence that the bible is not the undiluted word of God as church doctrination would like to present it.

Okay thanks for clearing that up.
I still think that both issues are very different bones that need to be cracked differently and seperately.

Unknown to most christians presenting the bible(with it's many glaring flaws) as the undiluted word of God (even when here is no evidence God had a hand or directed it's compilation) is doing more harm to the christianity than good.

Thanks for bringing the point back up, it got lost somewhere.
This is of course YOUR opinion on the matter. As for me I look at the OT and it does me good.
- I see a no-nonsense God, who demands that His people be holy just as He is holy.
- I see a God of love and a God of wrath, A God of mercy and a God who metes out Justice and vengeance
- I see a God who hates sin and the sinner

 and this is what's so incredible about Jesus . . . even in our fallen, sinful, wretched state, God though He hates sin, still loved us so much to send His son to die for us! This is what makes the gospel so much more incredible and beautiful!

 The problem is people have dreamt up a romantic "God" that is only loving and kind and merciful . . . when the bible is bursting with pages that teach about the "consuming fire" that is also our God, His wrath and justice. Once we get rid of our happy-happy God then we can begin to make sense of many OT events. Gotta run now, but will hopefully be back to discuss further.

hehe you know wetin the bible sef talk:

Psalm 141:5
Let a righteous man strike me, it is a kindness; let him rebuke me, it is oil on my head. My head will not refuse it.
Proverbs 27:6
Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
 
I am well oh jare. My faith is being tested in ways it never has. So remember me in prayers! that this too shall pass, quickly! 

. . . . . . . . . . waaaayyyy tooooo quiet in here 

Hope everyone is doing well. Phemmy, Gamine & Analytical glad you enjoyed the poem  I'll post more sometime soon. And OLAADEGBU, the "Directions Home" was pretty cool.

Gamine how is the "unlearning" going? 
Phemmy praise God for your sister. By the grace of God she will continue to grow stronger, and live to declare the glory of God. Amen.
CoolStuff4real - the "prophetic technology" if not anything, definitely sounds cool 

and if Chris is still lingering around here somewhere sorry I got lost somewhere in the middle of our convo. Don't sweat it 'bout apologizing I didn't take any offense whatsoever and I hope I didn't cross you negatively either. I certainly do hope to have the pleasure of engaging you sometime again. Cheerios!

This thread has degenerated into a "bash Pilgrim" party, sista Pilgrim can I bash too?  

Anyways Kunle, you've sidestepped from your original line of dispute (and please correct me if I'm misquoting you):
--Your first post stated that whole portions of the bible (esp the OT) "misrepresent" God and are therefore men's biased opinions parading as the word of God, errors and hence don't belong in the bible.

--This is VERY different from discussing[u] translations errors [/u] when moving from greek to english to yoruba or ebonics or whatever. My 3yr old niece is even cognizant of the fact the words frequently don't translate accurately and perfectly over language lines.

   Discussing "translation problems" is worlds & light years away from saying portions of the bible, certain stories in the OT are errors and don't belong in the bible. I just wanted to point that out n make sure it's crystal clear.

"Brady back with Pats, works out in training room"  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3696326

The best news I've heard all day   

I'm more suprised by the 5-0 Hawks . . . they play the Celtics tomorrow. Should be a very interesting game, they almost upset the Cs last playoffs.
One of the downsides to being the reigning champs is that every team wants to beat you so they bring their A-game when they play the Celtics and then they go right back to sucking afterwards . . . this will be an even tougher season for the men in green.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=170354.msg3068607#msg3068607 date=1226358151]@Jesoul
Well maybe in the long-term but this Rodgers dude has been very unconvincing it would take him some time to fill Favre's shoes.The Boys would bounce back i hope[/quote]Actually he started the season pretty good, he came out slinging TD's like it was nuthin. It was after his injury things started to decline. It's his 'rookie' yr, I expect him to get better as time goes.

bawomolo:
abeg jare, just because we no get pass rush. who cares about pass rush . i believe

hehe lol . . . Onyine believed at the start of the season . . . . ask her how that's working out for the Texans    Infact me I believed last SB, that didn't work out for the Pats either      .

You can't have a one-sided offense . . . you saw the fate of the Eagles on sunday, running 2 rushing plays on 3rd n 4th down and being stopped with just a few yrds to go, your boy Westbrook really messed up big time - or maybe I should give more credit to the Giants Defense

Lol @ "sos" . . . only 4 days and you're already losing weight?

Bawo,
ROTFLOL . . . . poor Rexy take am easy on the guy now The Titans are still undefeated - who woulda guessed this coming into the season?! I hope they keep this streak going. They seem like cool dudes.

Rikky,
has come back to open mouth again ehn? Colts are still NOT going anywhere this season, a couple of shaky wins ain't changing that fact sweetheart .

A-40,
this was your week off to stave off the pain of losing . And I think the Packers need not regret ousting Favre. Favre can be great, but he has been known to throw away playoff games by reckless interceptions. Please they need to start rebuilding with Rodgers.

and I hope we destroy the Jets come thursday

Pilgrim,
     you try sef no be small answer that post. I saw it and just shook my head and moved on. When God was handing out patience I musta been standing at the back of the line and you in front! lol . . . keep it up.

*long sigh*
   my dear Chris

I dislike when people think what is to be gained is me agreeing to what you think happened.

Nope not my goal. A productive discussion is not where all parties agree . . . it is one where progress is made and there is some common ground to build from. Right now we're at an impasse because you're asking me to explain things, I would, but I would be using the very same bible that you don't believe in or ascribe any authority to. So what's the point?
Since I'm going to be told anyways "the bible is flawed . . .  written by man . . . biased . . . etc"

  Nevertheless I still think you're a cool dude  and I hold on to the hope that one day you will see the light.

Chrisbenogor:
I knew this would drag you out, so now you are saying that these things qualified as evil in the eyes of God, funny enough what part of the above mentioned did the Israelites not do to their victims?
Before you even go on self, why would all these things be evil if God commands people to do them? Are you saying God commanded the hebrews to destroy those people because they were evil or because he wanted them to take over their land?

you know I was wary of going down this path with you because I know regardless of what I say, you've already got your mind made up 
  First you presumed they were innocent, I showed you they weren't. Now its "why did those things qualify as evil in God's sight" & "weren't the Isrealites doing the same things"? I could answer you but I won't, because it won't make a difference and I dislike conversating where I know no profit will be gained.

  *sighs*

I can't make sense to you Chris no matter what I say, because you're not really looking for an answer. You have so much disdain toward God and the bible that it will cloud your reasoning and prevent you from seeing and understanding God and the bible beyond the surface and beyond the limits of human reasoning. What else can I say?  

doyin13:
GBAM!!!!!

I bet he would make one hell of a quaterback

hehe  you already know!    Infact He has scrolls of statistics and records that no man prior to or after Him has been able to come close to matching or breaking . . .

hate ke? nah honey there's not an atom of hate in my body I'm just calling it like I see it! lol abi you no think say Pittsburgh are going to put the STEEL in Steelers in Peyton's behinders?

and why you wan desecrate this thread by mentioning the Pacers please no further mentions of taboos like Pacers, Knicks, Rikkyjen etc . . .

Abeg me I only get 1 messiah - named neither Brady nor Obama - His name is JESUS!!!

Chrisbenogor:
@Jesoul
I would like to indulge you very much, please I have asked you time and time again, justify why those children should be killed according to the standards that you think are right simple.
My beliefs as to what is right or wrong says, I should not kill innocent women children. What does yours say.
Ok my moral standards are wrong and not befitting of God, please which moral standards should we use then.
Really just explain how and why those people were killed please.

It seems you've assisted me in answering your own question. What made you assume in the first place that the people of Jericho were 'innocent'? Infact the scriptures remark many many times that an Isrealite king or the people relapsed from following God and "did evil in the eyes of the LORD, following the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.

  The nations that God commanded the Isrealites to destroy were not 'innocent' before God! they were evil and committed unthinkable atrocities - including sacrificing their own children in the fire, burning them alive, raping women, killing and fighting with their neighbors - these people were far from 'innocent'. And when you take into account a God is perfectly holy, that hates sin and said He will pour out His fierce wrath on sinners - does it now seem so far-fetched He carried out His holy judgement on the guilty parties?

  but the good news is God has given us a new way since the coming of Jesus. We are now under grace not that fierce wrath & judgement because Jesus died for our sins, stood in our place and received God's wrath for us, that made us forever right with God. This is the gospel brotha. A holy and just God, who punishes sin- as we see in the OT - has now forgiven us because of Jesus and His sacrifice.

If Kunle or Chris are feeling adventurous, I would appreciate short quick answers to the below questions

JeSoul:
Chris(& Kunle too)
. . . here let me say this: the whole problem here is really with your preconceived definition & belief of who God is or isn't. You're trying to fit God into this mental box that you've created, complete with your own standard of 'moral' and 'righteous' and any acts in the bible that don't fit into your square hole of 'good & loving', you've concluded are not 'of God'. You've deemed some OT events "too wicked" for a loving God to permit -

[center]now my questions to you:
- what possessed you with the illusion that you can define what God can or cannot permit based on your personal beliefs or moral system?

- and by what authority do you now declare that since the God of the whole bible doesn't fit into your belief system, the bible must be flawed?

and just for kicks
- if the bible is indeed 'flawed' why is it by your standard of 'morals' that the integrity of the bible should be judged by? and subject to your leanings whether it gets approval or disapproval?

- why not jesoul's standard? which by the way believes that a truly great God can at the same time disperse immense love and unleash intense wrath because He is afterall . . . God!?[/center]  I would be most grateful if you kind fellas would indulge me