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stimulus:
If this is the petition:

. . . then I be first to append my signature! Of course, with a subscript to invite such proponents of those ideas to help us understand them if they could!

Your signature has been duly noted sir!

therationa:
I would totally agree were it not for the fact that I am an advocate of free-speech in all its forms. There is nothing more irksome as intellectual dishonesty, cowardice and slavish attachment to superstitions of yore. So how better to deal with than to encourage the intellectual dwarfs out so that they may be crushed in public.

So are you sef signing the petition? does this mean you will now cease and desist from future pointless topics? especially when you never stick around to engage the commenters in honest and biblical-fact based discussion as Stimulus correctly mentioned?

with the onset of a flood of irrational, senseless, insane, pointless, unintelligent topics here in the religion forum, please sign the petition to fight the good fight against these self-annointed so-called intellectuals. Now we will not go so far as to declare fatwa but we will pledge to contend fiercely for the faith.

  But if Seun was so willing, he can feel more than free to abolish uselss topics, and give us back the religion forum!

  I miss the days of good, solid, well-intended, genuine questions and answers.

debosky:
@ Jesoul

I think she needs to define what she means by 'feel' so we know what exactly we need to discuss

If God sent His Son to 'feel what we feel' doesn't that mean God has feelings?

Debosky you're right. Oya Gamine explain urself!

If God doesn't "feel" as you say, what do all the verses and many more then mean?

Numbers 22:22
But God was very angry when he went, and the angel of the LORD stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him.

Psalm 78:59
When God heard them, he was very angry; he rejected Israel completely.

Deuteronomy 32:21
They made me jealous by what is no god and angered me with their worthless idols. I will make them envious by those who are not a people; I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.

Exodus 20:5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Nahum 1:2
The LORD is a jealous and avenging God; the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The LORD takes vengeance on his foes and maintains his wrath against his enemies.

1 Corinthians 10:5
Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.

Psalm 2:4
The One enthroned in heaven[u] laughs[/u]; the Lord scoffs at them.


Psalm 37:13 (Whole Chapter)
but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming.


Psalm 59:8 (Whole Chapter)
But you, O LORD, laugh at them; you scoff at all those nations.

1 Kings 3:10 (Whole Chapter)
The Lord was pleased that Solomon had asked for this.

John 3:16 (Whole Chapter)
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [ Or his only begotten Son] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

so how about it? are they all figures of speech not meant to be taken literally that God was actually feeling angry, pleased, jealous, laughing etc?

Seun:
What makes the book demonic?

what skyone's saying is any that book that denounces the Lordship and sovereingty of God almighty is anti-christ and therefore of the devil. . .

  Anyways therationa all we christians in here can do for you now is to pray and hope that your eyes may be opened to the truth of the gospel.
  It seems to me like you're trying so hard to not believe in something you know deep down to be right. Becos knowledge of God is inherent in every single human being, it's just that some have refused and rejected this knowledge. and others have "reasoned" themselves away from it.

4Him:
Isnt it funny that humans are the only organisms on earth that practice this "naturally occuring" debauchery? Ever seen homosexual goats?

ROTFL . . .   homosexual goats! ROTFL!    Funny it's going to take animals to teach humans what is natural vs unnatural.
  Our dear bawo is grasping at straws and trying desperately to convince himself homosexuality is okay, when every instinct, tradition, common sense, nature, conscience, scripture tells us that it isn't.

debosky:
Homosexuality even in the realm of nature/science serves no purpose - it does not lead to procreation or preservation of the species. It denies the population of the ability to select the best genes for transmission to future generations.

common now debosky, but they love each other 
indeed you're spot on when you say it serves no purpose, absolutely none!

The question of suffering vs. a good God is an age-old question and no one has all the answers, but for those accusing God you must remember that if He were to never permit evil, it would mean He would control everything you do and say, you would have no free-will whatsoever, you would be a zombie and God has no desire in creating zombies but people who choose to do good. If we didn't have evil we would not know what was good.

and Seun asked what could have possible been good about Jobs children dying. If there's anything we learn in Job, it's that we humans do not know the whole story . Job had no idea what was happening behind the scenes or else he might have understood what his suffering was for and hence never questioned it.
But you all need to know suffering and death is not always a bad thing! To be absent from the body is to be present with God! which is by far better! (for the christians that is) Death can release a person from present pain, or if God has seen that in the future you could be lost or suffer greatly He might permit your death.
Psalm 116:15
Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints


See the story of Hezekiah 2 kings: God told him he was going to die, Hezekiah prayed and asked for more years. God gave it to him and what did he do with those "extra" years? he sinned badly! and would have been better off if he'd died and left his legacy intact and void of mistakes.
  and we christians know that it is not about us humans! it never has been. It's all about God and His name being glorified. And if His name will be glorified thru ur suffering or your death or your pain - so be it! because we already know "our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all"(@ cor 4:17)

 So you all must understand suffering, pain and death only makes sense when you know and understand God and that it is 100% of the time for your own good, and indeed a priviledge as long as you're a christian who is trusting and hoping in Christ.
Philippians 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away" (Rev. 21:4).

I feel for you my brotha. . . it's things like this that make good nigerians hate this country. Especially when the higher authorities don't do anything about it when they get these complaints - who cares about the common man in naija?

If God loves all his children equally, why would he support the persecution of homosexuals that were born that way.

here we go again, blaming God for things that men with free will do. . . did you also blame God for your actions when you mistreated someone?

poor translation of the bible from the original aramaic/greek/hebrew versions have led people to think homosexuality is condemed. how can a naturally occuring act be condemned if God was responsible for the creation??there's no part in the bible were same-sex marriage is condemned. the bible only rightfully condemns sexual acts among men and little boys. the translation of the bible has distorted the truth. the bible's comment about same-sex relations were inspired by cultural reasons and not by "God"

well you certainly aren't the first person to come out and claim the bible does not condemn homosexuality, and that the translations have been twisted to make it seem so. Rubbish! Tell me how these verses could have been mistranslated?

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

  Face the truth homosexuality is a SIN! the bible condemns it and God hates it just like He hates every other sin.

4Him:
we will not descend to the depths of the m uslims my sister. Only people who are confused will be afraid of questions.
Indeed there is no point going into some of these cleverly provocative "questions" as they do nothing but engender strife and endless genealogies but as the Lord giveth wisdom we shall continue to set them straight.

Who knows, somene might be touched by the TRUTH. Its not their fault, the enemy hath blinded their eyes . . . seeing they see and do not percieve.

my brotha I hear you jare. It's just that sometimes I can't help but scratch my head. But you are right, 1 person in 100 could be changed and that is certainly worth it dealing with the other 99.

stimulus:
He-ha!

Guys, I could anticipate where he's coming from - I just could be a bit prophetic about this. There's a group of atheists now that are trying to help us see the other side of the argument - not by acknowledging the dictionary definition of the word 'atheism'; but by asking us to go back to the etymology of the term as comes from its use from ancient Greek thinking - like this one.

In any case, after all the arguments on the etymology of a.theism as "no god" or "godless", we still have to come back and ask therationa what to do with the definition of the word by atheists themselves who speak of it in terms of "the non-existence of god"!

The logic he is desperately seeking here even falls flat on its face when closely scrutinized. But I'll hold my peace for now until his fatwa is issued; then I'll lead him back to the gaps of the ideas he's been harvesting from other sites!

Abegi Oh! fatwa is one word oga Seun doesn't want to hear! lol. . . but please continue to expose our resident plaigirist for what he is.

4Him:
You run the risk of being accused of "judging" . . . or "touching God's anointed". Even by so called christians.

lol. . . abi O! I've been accused of that times without number. they forgot the parts of scripture where we're described how "God's annointed" are supposed to behave.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
a·the·ist  Pronunciation Key - [ey-thee-ist]
–(noun) a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings. 

  Alphazee I mean therationa,
by definition no one who believes in a higher power can be an atheist. Why do you persist at grasping at straws? you're fighting a losing battle my dear.

   I think you should be banned from creating anymore of these kind of pointless threads! Oya Seun do your thing!

Truequest:
The sad thing is that people who genuinely need help may never get it as no one will risk falling a victim.
Every man for himself and God for us all, this is really bad.

You are exactly right my brotha. Exactly right!
Taking advantage of and exploiting peoples kindness is the lowest form of depravity

there's 3 ways:

1. By prayer and spiritual warfare 2Cor10:3 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5[b]We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God[/b],

2. By exposing them to the world whenever we have the chance and proof Eph5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

3. By teaching, speaking truth and charging people to study the scriptures for themselves. Acts17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

almondjoy:
H-a-l-e-l-l-u-j-a-h!!!!!!!!!!!

A-m-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!!!!!

What do those sorry arses Republican have to discuss besides abortion and gay rights anyway? Stupid people!

That old fart MCcain--or whatever he is called with his thinning blond hair should check himself into the nearest nursing home please! He can receive medicare for life.

ROTFL!!! McCain old sha, na true you talk.

with Romney gone, McCain is now 100% certain to be the Rep nominee. . .

Democrats, you can start celebrating cos you've already won the november presidential election. It'll be a boring race cos we already know either Hillary or Obama will be president.

hmmm this looks like Alphazee reincarnated into therationa

Same M.O.,  same criticism, same writing style, same confusion. 

doyindamus:
I think it is a sign of the pathetic deprecation of manhood.

Voyeurism has been substituted for participation as the money motive has come to dominate the arena.

The Real men pick up the challenge and make millions while the wimps scurry off to their little seats in the gladiator's pit
or in their little crevices with the tube for company while they jealously admire the people they would and should be.

Man's fighting instinct has been passed on top proxies, the Mannings and Brady's of this world.

I abhor sports and never watch. I have sold my gladiatorial instincts but will not debase myself to reify other men.

And if you wonder how I have come about this drivel. . .I have been reading Nietzsche recently.

uhm Doyin sweetie, you need to lay off the Nietzsche!

Hi,
Men like sports because it help them to relax. And with women there is nothing like relaxing. In sports even if your team fail to win today, they will tomorrow. but Women instead of improving, it is the other way round.
Thank you.

Relax ke? men are anything but relaxed when they're watching sports! they're screaming at the tv, jumping all over the place etc. . .
and which one you dey sef? what do you mean "women instead of improving"? maybe they're not "improving" becos you're giving all your attention to the tv and manchester united instead of her!

bibiking1:
Very well lets see how you chew on that humble pie when the elections are over!

Republicans rule!!!!!!!!!

lol did you mean to write Republicans suck?
The Red party is really under and poorly represented if McCain is all they have to offer. Now it's not like the Democrats are a shining beacon of light either, not by a long stretch. But still if McCain is their main man, they'll be crying about another defeat in Nov.

Hillary still emerge from the “Tsunami Obama” voting with the overall lead in delegates, but she is unlikely to be able to come close to clinching the nomination.Barack Obama is closing the gap very quickly,and the longer the race goes on, the better the chances that Barack Obama will ultimately prevail, as more elected Democratic officials and candidates come to view him as the better bet to defeat McCain in November.

lol. . . I think Hillary or Obama can and will beat McCain! . and if they join forces, it will be a landslide victory.

4Him:
As long as McCain is the Republican nominee the Democrats have a very good chance of winning come Nov.

Clinton is a senator from NY so no surprises there.

Obama took 43% of white votes to Clinton's 51%, Obama won in Idaho, NorthDakota, connecticut, Missouri . . . so you can't talk of this just being a case of black voters.
I'm not surprised black voters are backing him so much, its the first time they are seeing one of their own compete favourably for the highest position in the land.

If McCain is the Rep nominee not only will the Dems win, they'll win easily. And if he's the nom, I'm def voting for whoever the democrat nom is. . .
unless Al Gore (or some other spoiler) decides to run as an independent!

I thot since Obama is the "celebrity" candidate he would take Cali. But looks like the hispanics like Hillary more.

and no I wasn't saying its black voters that have made him successful. . . he clearly has support all across the board. I was simply saying black people are biased toward him becos he's black, as the voting statistics showed- and honestly thats a bias that I can't really hate on.
I know I'm biased towards black people in many many things.

uyai:
@ Jesoul

You are not saying he took half of white votes in GEORGIA of all places. that he took majority of white voters under age 45. that clinton took majority of the women votes. your analysis is definitely biased. you are just saying what the pundits are saying in the drive by media.

And you're missing my point, we're in essence saying the same thing. Obviously the way he's splitting white votes with hillary suggests that our dear white folks are not leaning in one direction! the simple fact he runs away with all the black votes highly suggests that we're biased towards him, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting to supprt one of our own. Everyone can vote how they like.
Likewise the gender bias in hillary snagging all the female votes.

EmekaNaija:
Jesoul

There is diversity in Obama's support. He wins across both red and blue states. He performs equitably well even among whites. Even among women, he has a fair enough representation. Obama's strategists need to work out a formula to win over the Latino and Asian votes. This is the only advantage Clinton has over the Western States. I hope this formula is worked out before Texas primaries.And there is no stopping Obama.

You're right there is diversity in the make up of his voters BUT when 82% of one grp leans for him, I think that is clearly indicative of a bias. A more even spilt woulda told us black people are being color-blind when they vote.

folahann:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I thinik it's a natural phenomenon but it's not all men that are so passionate about sport

Natural phenomenon? how?
True it's not all men, maybe like 99.9% of them !

RuuDie:
so we won't be passionately krayzie about women. . . . . . . . . .

lol. . . so what is it sports does for you that a woman can't? eh?

I'm rather disappointed McCain is the Rep front-runner with no one close behind him. This lack of "options" is rather disappointing and is sure to catapult whoever the Dem nom is into the favorite to win in Nov. I don't think McCain has the fire to rally the people behind him.

  I was suprised to see Clinton take the big states like Ny and Cali. . . and I really thot a real front runner woulda emerged by today but they dead even! this is fun to watch.
  Obama took 82% of black democratic votes looks like the black people are firmly behind him. Though I'd like to see more diversity/flexibility there. I think it shows black people don't form their own opinions and rather go with who their minister/pastor or other notable/prominent black names endorses - and in this case it helps that Obama is black too.

   Personally I think obama is a better choice than hillary, BUT I'm less than enthused at the choices available on both tables (dem and rep). No one really does it for me. 

We have large screens that use powerpoint to show lyrics to songs as well, so that everyone can sing along.

This is going to far but some churches have atms on their premises as well

I am one of those 1 in 1000 women who happens to love sports. I watch everything from baseball to golf to tennis to soccer.

  But I still cannot understand why men take sports so personally and passionately!

For me it is just a game to be enjoyed in the moment and when it's done it's done. If they win I'm happy, if they lose I'm not sad because how much are they paying me to be crying for them? and gettin depressed when they lose? I am not getting a slice of their million-dollar paychecks so why should I be enslaved so that their success is mine? They don't even know and prob don't care if I exist so why I go dey kill myself for them?

  When my boy is watching his serie A, I just leave him alone because he gets so crazy. When they win you should see the way he runs around the house. And even here on Nairaland see the sports section on the super eagles fowls, and how people are insulting their grandparents and cursing them for losing. Na wetin now? All the wildly dedicated arsenal and man u. fans, what drives you to be so passionately dedicated? And here in the NFL the patriots just lost the superbowl life goes on but you should see the way everyone is depressed like someone just died! It's just a game! What's really the big deal? isn't sports just another form of entertainment? like a movie? or a concert?

  Why are men so crazy about sports? is it in your genes?

Jakumo:
USPR1 if you are TRULY tired of being innundated with Nigerian scam emails, enough to feel like striking back at them, then sign up at 419eater.com, so you can study and master the gentle martial art of SCAM BAITING, whereby you create multiple fake identities with corresponding new email addresses and decoy (message only ) phone numbers, all for the purpose of sending those 419 cowboys on extended and monetarily wasteful wild goose chases, known in the scam busting world as " Safaris".

If you love emptying your weapon at the shooting range, scam busting will nourish that self-defensive instinct by allowing you to figuratively shoot up real LIVE targets who richly deserve all the misfortune life can dump on them.

I think I will take up this offer, it's time to go on the offensive. I'm so tired of these scammers, it's time for them to get a taste of their own medicine.

The thing wey dey annoy me pass is that they keep on disgracing the name of our great country! We have so many good ambassadors reppin' our country but these idiots are overshadowing them.

There was this special documentary on tv where they were talking 'bout how dangerous it is to sell electronics on ebay becos of "nigerian" scam artists. And its true cos when I tried to sell my laptop on ebay you shoulda seen the scammers asking me to mail to ibadan/lagos etc and payment will be posted to my paypal acct. . .I wrote them back and gave them a piece of my mind.

All I can say is it's a sad day in Boston and new england at large. Doyindamus your wish came true

Tom terrific wetin happen now? he was off target so much that game. I guess the giants wanted it more. Dang wish we lost to greenbay instead, I would actually have been happy for Brett Favre but to new york? ha that sucks big time.

Anyways moving on to the celtics. . . Garnett abeg no let me down oh!

and in a month Red Sox will be back, bigger and badder than ever!

See not so sad in Boston anymore

  Here's another new and shameless attempt to solicit personal information by another 419 artist. So everyone beware, nowhere on this internet is safe from these monsters.

  So I'm searching craigslist.com for apartment postings and I responded to a couple of listings by email and one of them emailed me back with this nonsense below . . . when will these shameless criminals stop? They're dragging the name of nigeria thru the mud. I know it could very well be a non-nigerian doing this, but its still very annoying.

  Hello,
Thanks for the email. I Dr.James Cheetham  own the 3
bedroom and also want you to know that it was due to my
transfer that makes me and my wife to leave the house and
also want to give it out for rent and looking for a responsible
person that can take very good care of it as we are not after
the money for the rent but want it to be clean at the time
and the person that will rent it to take it as if it were its
own. So for now, We are here in west Africa,Nigeria our new
house and also with the keys of the house, we try to look for
an agent that we can give this documents before we left but
could not see and we are as well as don't want our house to be
used any how in our present that is why we took it along with
us. I and my wife came over to West Africa,Nigeria for a
missionary work, so i hope you will promise us to take very
good care of the house. So get back to me on how you could
take care of our house or perhaps experience you have in
renting home. Hope you are okay with the price of $600(1
months first payment) with hydro,heat laundry facilities, air
condition and so on.  I am looking forward to hear from you
ASAP, below is the application form for you to fill and
discuss on how to get the house for rent,this is the address of
the home below.

16 Florence Street, Worcester MA

RENT APPLICATION FORM
Also,Pls let me get this answer.
1)Your Full Name
2)Your Full Address & Phone Number
3)How old are you?
4)Are you married?
5)How many people will be living in the house?
6)Do you have a pet?
7)Do you have a car?
Occupation?
9)What is your religion?
10)Are you born again?
Looking forward to hear from you with all this details so that
i can have it in my file incase of issuing the receipt for you and
contacting  you.Await your urgent reply so that we can discuss on how to
get the document and the key to you,please we are giving you all this
base on trust and again i will want you to stick to your words,you
know that,we do not see yet and only putting everything into Gods hand,so
please do not let us down in this our property and God bless you more as you do this.
Regards.
Await your reply.
Thanks

^*hisses* Rubbish!

Lemme also add that God is more intrested in the soul than about your physical/societal status. That's why Jesus didn't ovethrow the Roman govt and free the Isrealites. His kingdom is one of the spirit and of power. God's primary concern is not whether you're a slave or free man, but about whether you are born again and ready to meet with Him.

I'm not saying He's not a God of justice, He is. But your soul is 1million times more important than your status in life. There will come a time at the judgement when everyone will get rewarded for what they've done whether good or bad. Whether slave or free.

_{hmm but all this "discussion" is probably in vain cos the poster never sticks around to back up her accusations. In a few hrs we'll see more threads claiming some other falsehood about christianity - pathetic if you ask me}