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alphazee . . .you are fighting a losing battle. Why do you persist in posting these meaningless threads at an attempt to discredit christianity? Anyways God permitted slavery but it's not His preference for mankind. There are many things that happen that's not the way God would rather have it but becos of man's fallen nature, God works within it. Make sense? People sold themselves into slavery those days when they were too poor or were captured as a result of war etc. That's why God went out of His way so many times to stress the humane treatment of slaves and to give them rights and special priviledges. If you read the bible you'll see how mal or mistreatment of slaves is not permitted by God. They are just as much human as their owners and God limited the powers of the masters over the slaves- don't forget that. and if you read further you'll see where God instituted that certain slaves be freed after a certain amount of yrs and given the financial/material means to survive on their own. Slavery was allowed by God, but it was not his doing or idea, it was ours- like every other messed up thing on this rock called earth. |
swan song ke? no way oh. This race is still up for grabs and the debate tonight will tilt the scales in favor of the candidate who's more articulate and aggressive. Edwards was never charming or charismatic - Obama is. Wait till super tuesday, then we'll know for sure. As a side note I'm more and more depressed at the options (or lack thereof) we have for the presidency. . . John McCain is rep front runner?! kai! that means if Obama loses, Hillary will def take the white house and that will hasten my departure away from america to an european country. |
Amen oh my broda! ![]() God is indeed good, and His grace and mercies which He so lavishly gives to us is incredible. I thank Him for His grace and wisdom, and I thank Him for all the christians on nairaland -for saving their lives. I also thank Him for all the unsaved people here- that He might open their eyes to the truth. Godbless you Rogo! ![]() |
the only thing obscene about this post is you insinuating that the word of the almighty God is obscene. ![]() |
[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=109269.msg1903225#msg1903225 date=1201706263]This is why you keep endearing yourself to me! Bold, plain and strong! I salute! [/quote] I'm just tryn to live up to the standards of the [b]pilgrim[/b]s that have come before me You already know you're notorius for biblical truth! and that I love! ![]() |
Alphazee:and if this were true, so what? whether it mentions it one billion times more than love, the message of the whole bible, when taken as a whole book, still stands strong. The bible talks about hundreds of subjects, you take the bible as a whole book, the one singular message is that God tremendously loves this world, and sent Jesus to die for us. And if you don't accept Jesus, you will perish in His terrible wrath. The Lord is a God of love as well as one of justice. He is also to be feared, to be revered. |
imhotep:I most certainly don't! ![]() The bible does not explicitly say that it is an accepted fact by true christians. And you are choosing to ignore the fact that your extra-biblical church tenets blatantly VIOLATE/CONTRADICT the scriptures!!! That is all anyone needs to know about the catholic doctrine and why it cannot be accepted by any bible-beliving christian. 2) Do you know that one of the disastrous consequeces of 'sola fide' (by faith alone) is the gay problem that has infested a lot of churches around the world?Again what does the fact that some people out there are hypocrits have to do with me?! ![]() The bible stands alone by itself - don't say because some people who claim to only follow it are liars, then all those who only follow the bible are likewise liars. no be wetin you dey try to talk be that?There will always be people who use the grace of God as a licence to sin but Paul clearly tells us those people are dead wrong! so what's your problem? What does that have to do with the bible as the only singular authority on all things christian? When the bible is mis-interpreted, the consequences can be damning.Since you ignored the scripture I gave you before, here it is again in large font: Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Following Jesus is NOT about deeds/works. Works come as a result of faith, and that faith in Jesus to save us by His grace. Your works play no part whatsoever in your salvation! it is God alone who saves! |
"Catholic bashing" is not my style. . . I think there have been more than enuff discussions here on that. But nevertheless I shall indulge you brotha ![]() 1) We are saved by faith AND good worksuhm no, we are saved by grace alone! You need to read the scripture you quoted properly. It is saying it is impossible to have faith without works. Works is as a result of faith BUT the works themselves do not play any part whatsoever in our salvation. That is accomplished solely by God Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. 2) Sola scriptura (by scripture alone) is at the root of Protestantism.The only scripture acceptable to any christian useful for rebuke, reprove and growth is the holy bible. End of story. And even moreso when any other "extra-biblical" writings or tenets or church constitutions violate/contradict the Holy Bible! Anyways I prefer to stay on topic - there's enuff threads that have responded to ur concerns much more intelligently. |
True, the website is a lot to read. I have a pdf version of the book though.and what do those people have to do with me? and every other christian who's strictly bible-beliving? The fact that some of the popes critics that might be hypocrits has absolutely no effect on anything I do or think or believe. The matter at hand is that the pope/catholic church has tenets that flat out violate the scriptures. . .why would I listen to what ever else he has to say when their doctrine denies the fact we're saved by grace alone? among others? I'm not here to start or continue catholic bashing but we cannot use any extra-biblical materials here in this discussion, especially material that comes from a source that's not christian. Sorry. |
Gamine:It could very well be, but I'm still skeptical. ![]() Act of worship/actual act of worship - what I was tryn to say is in keeping with the examples we've been given in the scriptures - speaking praise, singing, bowing, etc. . .those are acts of worship multitudes of scriptures give examples of. You're right in saying they're instances it is not specified how they worshipped God, BUT there is no hint anywhere of sex involved at anytime with anyone. So I'm proposing we just stick to what we know and can prove/justify with scripture. Cos we need to be able to justify our beliefs based on what He's given us (His word) before God and our consciences. @imhotep Gamine's right, that website is lots to read! plus don't take this the wrong way but I don't take anything the pope says. The catholic doctrine has some things that outright violate scripture and any bible-believing christian cannot take anything he says as valid based on that. Sorry. ![]() |
Gamine:Lol. . .how person no go immediately think the physical part when you hear "sex is worship"? it's only natural to think Yes I did say it is the act of glorifying God but in the rest of that paragraph I said as in the scriptures its done with speaking praise, or bowing down or lifting their hands etc. . When you obey God and live a godly life it glorifies His name. But the "actual act of worship" is different from this. make sense? |
Gamine:me sef I dey laugh too. . . ![]() To me and as far I can see and understand scripture, sex is for procreation, pleasure and intimacy. . .of which I place pleasure and intimacy at the top. ![]() And to me worship can only be directed right at God. Worship is the act of adoring and glorifying God. When we see instances in scripture of people worshipping God, it involved an act of speaking praise, or bowing down or lifting their hands or something like that that showed humbling oneself and lifting up God. For example in 1Cor 14: we see Paul's description of what orderly worship should be like, the singing, the praying etc. My lifestyle that I live of godliness I wouldn't necessarily call "worship". Yes it glorifies God but doesn't exactly fall under the category of actual worship. |
If you're saying that when two married people come together and are united, physically, mentally, emotionally and sexually it glorifies God becos it's done according to His word, I totally get that. and when you add: It is a false concept that worship must always include singing. Any act that brings joy to God can be deemed worshipNow I think I see your point. But I still don't agree. Everything that a married couple does together in unity pleases God becos it's in accordance with His word, that husband and wife be one and dedicate themselves to each other. When they go out together to dinner, they're spending time with each other When they make decisions together, like buying groceries and buying a house When they go shopping together etc. . . All these things makes God pleased that they're each loving and dedicated to each other in a godly way. Are those other things also worship too? since God is pleased? If you're going to say "any act that brings joy to God can be deemed worship" then everything a married couple does together in accordance with honoring and loving each other is worship! every single thing! That's why I still don't agree sex is worship. Care to debunk my arguements? ![]() |
I'm just wondering if the rest of the castaways are ready to convert to Patriotism? switch to the winning side b4 its too late! ![]() Reports of Brady's injury have been greatly exaggerated. Giants fans should not hope in that at all. 18 - 0, one more to go, 18 - 0, one more t. . . |
Gamine:No disagreements there. Anyways,I agree on ur description of worship BUT we're not called or even hinted at to worship our spouses!?! Sexual intimacy is the highest form of mutual worshipwhen a person is vulnerable/open and laid bare that does not equal worship, how you take reach that conclusion my sister? ![]() All it means is that you've given urself over to ur spouse, that is not necessarily worshipping him/her. For a moment suspended in time, man and woman return to being naked and unashamedI think we all agree this is the ideal for married people. They become one with each other and nothing is left hidden. But how is this physical/sexual bond worship? all it is is a bond and connection btw 2 people. |
cybersleek:lol you no go killi me with laugh. Just take am easy for those bench presses. . .*clears throat* ![]() debosky:LOL. . .I'd advocate the MC hammer haircut over the tyson |
debosky:A much better and concise response of what I was tryna say . Motive plays a big part in all this. |
cybersleek:mucho gracias! I shall be waiting sir. |
[quote author=D-reloaded link=topic=108212.msg1887683#msg1887683 date=1201276587]See I don't agree with that because "immodest dressing" can't kill you either but it's frowned upon in Christianity. Also I don't believe that because you get people to put tatts of Christ or whatever on themselves means they will suddenly become Christians. Some of these jesus fish tat having people are actually atheists. I'm assume as a form of sarcasm. It's still in a way descreting a body that is supposedly supposed to be temple of the Holy Spirit, abi? Can they seriously say they are glorifying God with that action?[/quote]hold up now, I said "if it's not in the scriptures" immodest dressing is talked about several times and prohibited for christians. There's no arguement there. And I wasn't saying that putting on tats will make them christians no. But for the tatooed christians I've seen who've used it as a means to create evangelistic opportunities where's the beef with that? They get the chance when they go to tatoo conventions to share their faith and come back with testimonies. How can we sit here and say what they're doing is wrong? And if you're going to use the desecrating the temple of God arguement then that means you must never eat anything bad for you, no doughnuts, burgers or fries, you must work out every day etc. . .catch my drift? I don't think tatooing is 'desecrating' the body. To each his own. The bible says its what comes out of your body that makes it unclean. I can't hate on someone who does it and uses it to glorify God. It's not my place. |
[quote author=D__D link=topic=108212.msg1887668#msg1887668 date=1201276440]i don't quite agree that we are no longer bound by the laws of the old testament . . . else we wont be bound by the 10 commandments either. Everything else you said in your second paragraph i agree with 110%. Did you also know that wearing earings for males was a mark of a servant in the old testament?[/quote]yeah I shoulda made that distinction. The 10 commandments definately- there's no arguement against that. What I meant were the laws like shaving ur head and becoming unclean if you do certain things etc. . .those parts of the old covenant. |
[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=108212.msg1887595#msg1887595 date=1201275478]Lol. . . galfriend JeSoul, even before I reach here, you have taken the words outa ma mouth! ![]() Anyhow, a few lines I may add to share with D-reloaded. Many blessings.[/quote]they say great minds think alike. . . ![]() |
If you mention marriage today from a western concept, what would readily come to your mind is being in church and exchanging rings, mind you this are ideas that crept into christianity not more than 500 years ago!You're right the whole ring thing is new, I see it as part of a culture that does not violate or contradict any part of scripture hence its okay. Like many practices in many cultures around the world. the basis for a marriage in the time of Adam and Eve was for you to take a woman as a wife, not in the manner we are used to,but in agreement which will seem a bit alien today, but you will find out that sexual union was a veritable confirmation of union between a man and a woman.hmmm I think I get what you're trying to say, and we don't disagree on this. Sexual union usually follows every marriage, I still don't see how it relates to worshipping God. It certainly glorifies God when the two parties are doing in the right context but I'm failing to see its relation to worship. When you call sex in marriage or otherwise a "gift" , you do that to make it less important because what we have been taught as per culture and religeon is that sex is that it is something which you must not make too important.Not for me no. Calling it a gift does not make it less important or relevant. I thank God for it but will not elevate it to a status the bible hasn't advocated (in relation to worship). Infact i think it is very important in a marriage context. But again how is it worship? But in reality, when you follow the tone of the bible, you will see that it is part of what we are created to be rather than it being just a gift for enjoyment or just for relaxation. Then we might say equally, life is a gift so don't take it, our ability to see in color is also a giftand everything else.I agree sexuality is part of every human being, not to be shied away from. Life is a gift, by God's grace and mercy everything we can do is a gift from God. But when you say "follow the tone" of the bible care to expand on that? where's this in the bible? whether greek or hebrew? I'm still waiting to see any scriptural references you have for your view. I'm sure there's lots of original greek/hebrew texts online. Can you find some and please translate and break it down? ps. I'm not tryn to be a pest, I just really want to know, honest. |
[quote author=D-reloaded link=topic=108212.msg1887510#msg1887510 date=1201274429]Is the Qu'ran against tattoos, pilgrim? I mean the bible specifically says “Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD” (Leviticus 19:28) yet you see people going around with their Jesus fish, Commandment scroll or whatever "Christian" tattoo and i just don't get who they are fooling I guess one could say they do it because that "commandment" was in the Old Testament and msot Christian follow the New Testament. But even in the new testament, the bible doesnt exactly say you shouldnt smoke but I mean it's quite obviously that it's not favorably looked on based on Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 6:19. Honor God with your body." 1 Corinthians 6:20. So I would think the same goes for tattoos being printed all over the "Christian" body as well. or am I crazy?[/quote]no you are not crazy ![]() I will say though that you're onto something when you say it's in the old covenant and we're not bound to it else we'd have to do every other single old school commandment as well. However I wouldn't compare it to smoking, smoking is definately bad for you, but getting a tatoo isn't. And there's actually christian tatoo organizations out there who are using their gifts and tatoo conventions as a means of reaching other tatoo enthusiasts. . .now can I say that they're wrong? certainly not. They're redeeming the thing and returning it as a service to God. However we can't ignore that tatoos are usually attached with negative connotations and we should avoid every appearance of evil. A christian being tatooed head to foot will draw adverse attention and that does not glorify God. But I think if in moderation and sincerity someone wants to use it as a means of creating evangelistic opportunity - we can't begrude them for that. Especially since the bible doesn't restrict it. If it isn't detrimental to them, and their conscience clears them then power to them. To each his own. One man's meat, another mans poision, one mans sabbath, is not to another. |
tosinadeda:why now? you're asking for trouble by saying that. Generalizing like that no good at all, e no good and e no true. |
blackcat1: haba make una play nice now. There's no need for this. Blackcat when I saw ur comment I actually laughed and didn't take it serious. and was going to reply like this Blackcat:thank God I'm an Edo woman! ![]() |
Pilgrim1, oh girl you took the words right outta my mouth, and those words are so well said they need to be repeated and I highlight the very on point points u make. Lol. . . @cybersleek, |
i see you are still operating under the misconception of dogma and religeon. how did you arrive at this conclusion? Read my post very well, when you talk about marriage, did God marry Adam to Eve?I don't think anyone disputes adam and eve were husband and wife, is that what you're asking? you tell me. When you say" it is a gift" do you mean like the holy spirit or the gift of repentance or salvation?no not on the level of salvation. . . does not even come close to comparing. Salvation is the greatest thing God ever did for us. . .sex is just something for married folks to enjoy. i see you have already taken a biased stance before you have even started trying to put forth an argument.a biased stance? didn't you come here with a biased stance? or otherwise known as an opinion? what's wrong with that? Go and read the scriptures well and you will find out that marriage as we know it today, and as you are trying to interprete it is different from what you have in mind.since I obviously don't know can you please care to show me these scriptures? True, sex in marriage is the only one approved of by God for obvious reasons, search the bible properly and tell me how many places in the bible where they mention a man and a woman coming together in marriage and making love being the "gift" in the sense that you have used it, and i will show you that you are only arguing based on what others have told you and not what you have read yourself.Sex is a gift in that it is for procreation, intimacy, pleasure and companionship and courtesy of a website who put the appropriate scriptures together here you go: [center]Procreate Gen. 1:28, "And God blessed them; and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.'" Intimacy Song 1:13, "My beloved is to me a pouch of myrrh which lies all night between my breasts. Song 2:3, "Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste." Song 2:6, "Let his left hand be under my head and his right hand embrace me.” Song 4:5, "Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle, which feed among the lilies." Companionship Song 3:1, “On my bed night after night I sought him whom my soul loves, " Physical Pleasure Song 1:2, "May he kiss me with the kisses of his mouth! For your love is better than wine.[/center] I am not claiming to be an authority in biblical matters, but i can see you have already started using phrases like "stretching the truth" , this are hallmarks of zealousness without due dilligence, sex occurs without marriage in quote, but does marriage occur without sex? you answer the question yourself and see which one answers the question. I rest my case.neither do I claim to be an authority. I'm simply asking that if anyone draws comparisons to our faith and make conclusive statements they should be able to prove them biblically or else just leave it be. Can you prove it biblically? that's really all I'm asking, not trying to pick a fight. So kindly drop the notions I'm zealous without knowledge or rushing to conclusions based on what I've heard without personal bible study. . .the onus rests on you to prove ur stance with scripture. just like it does on me and anyone else who makes a claim. |
oghos2k:LOL I agree with every word, syllable, comma and full stop! If only more people paid attention to what the scriptures say about tongues. |
Even in christianity, the idea of sex between a man and a woman is meant to represent the unison between God and man, two becoming one indivisibleit is far-fetched! Sex does not demonstrate the union between God and man. . . it is the actual Marriage that demonstrates the union between God and man! Sex is a gift to us from God, just like any other gift. the act itself is something for married couples to enjoy, it does not mirror our relationship with God. . . it is the acutal MARRIAGE that can be compared with our relationship with God - not the singular act of sex. And I don't see any scripture that event hints at what you're trying to insinuate. Can you prove me wrong? unless you stretch some scripture to fit, there's no outright comparison of sex to our faith or with worshipping God and I don't think we should be going out of our way to compare the two - what do we gain by doing that? because when you liken sex to worship and our relationship with God I think it heavily trivializes and demoralizes it. Every instance of the physical act of sex mixed with religion in the bible was associated with the pagan cultures God drove out before the isrealites. It was never hinted at as a good thing. I'm not saying sex is bad at all, no way but there is no way on earth I would even think of relating it to worship! |
watchung:I don't think you can rule out Obama like that. I don't think anyone expected him to be so successful thus far and pose as a real threat against Hillary. If anything this race has been one full of suprises so I won't count him out yet- you never know. He's def going to win SC and that momentum can have a ripple effect in other primaries on super tuesday. plus even if he gets labelled the "black candidate" he can still steal the sympathy votes from "liberal whites" who might think that voting for a black person is their own way of proving they're not racist or or that they're "good" people. |
Obama finished ke? no way oh. We won't know for sure until super tuesday, by then the frontrunner should be clearly defined. And he's 99% sure to win SC - black people will vote for him, they seemed favorably disposed to him at the debate. |
I'm confused by the title pls explain why and how sex is worship? |
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John McCain is rep front runner?! kai! that means if Obama loses, Hillary will def take the white house and that will hasten my departure away from america to an european country.




occur in the BIBLE, old testament or new testament

But no one doubted that the wife was actually a virgin when examined at death! <Cough-cough> BTW, this couple were not Christians or Jews (they had a religious belief of sorts, and for the life of me, I still can't make out what exactly their religion was 