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Christianity EtcRe: Who Says The Bible Does Not Condone Slavery? by JeSoul(f): 9:27pm On Feb 01, 2008
alphazee . . .you are fighting a losing battle. Why do you persist in posting these meaningless threads at an attempt to discredit christianity?

Anyways God permitted slavery but it's not His preference for mankind. There are many things that happen that's not the way God would rather have it but becos of man's fallen nature, God works within it. Make sense? People sold themselves into slavery those days when they were too poor or were captured as a result of war etc.

That's why God went out of His way so many times to stress the humane treatment of slaves and to give them rights and special priviledges. If you read the bible you'll see how mal or mistreatment of slaves is not permitted by God. They are just as much human as their owners and God limited the powers of the masters over the slaves- don't forget that.

and if you read further you'll see where God instituted that certain slaves be freed after a certain amount of yrs and given the financial/material means to survive on their own.
Slavery was allowed by God, but it was not his doing or idea, it was ours- like every other messed up thing on this rock called earth.
PoliticsRe: Edwards Bows Out Of The Race, Will Clinton Emerge The Democrat Nominee? by JeSoul(f): 5:53pm On Jan 31, 2008
swan song ke? no way oh. This race is still up for grabs and the debate tonight will tilt the scales in favor of the candidate who's more articulate and aggressive. Edwards was never charming or charismatic - Obama is.

Wait till super tuesday, then we'll know for sure.

As a side note I'm more and more depressed at the options (or lack thereof) we have for the presidency. . . sad John McCain is rep front runner?! kai! that means if Obama loses, Hillary will def take the white house and that will hasten my departure away from america to an european country.
Christianity EtcRe: Let Us Thank God For All He Has Done So Far In 2008 by JeSoul(f): 3:22pm On Jan 31, 2008
Amen oh my broda! grin
God is indeed good, and His grace and mercies which He so lavishly gives to us is incredible.

I thank Him for His grace and wisdom, and I thank Him for all the christians on nairaland -for saving their lives. I also thank Him for all the unsaved people here- that He might open their eyes to the truth.

Godbless you Rogo! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Obscenities (ordained ?) by JeSoul(f): 3:17pm On Jan 31, 2008
the only thing obscene about this post is you insinuating that the word of the almighty God is obscene. tongue
Christianity EtcRe: God (according To The Bible) by JeSoul(f): 4:44pm On Jan 30, 2008
[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=109269.msg1903225#msg1903225 date=1201706263]This is why you keep endearing yourself to me! Bold, plain and strong! I salute! grin[/quote]grin I'm just tryn to live up to the standards of the [b]pilgrim[/b]s that have come before me grin
You already know you're notorius for biblical truth! and that I love! cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: God (according To The Bible) by JeSoul(f): 4:01pm On Jan 30, 2008
Alphazee:
While reseraching about God in the Bible, I came across this material as compiled by Donald Morgan ,

In the Bible, words having to do with killing significantly outnumber words having to do with love.
and if this were true, so what? whether it mentions it one billion times more than love, the message of the whole bible, when taken as a whole book, still stands strong.
The bible talks about hundreds of subjects, you take the bible as a whole book, the one singular message is that God tremendously loves this world, and sent Jesus to die for us. And if you don't accept Jesus, you will perish in His terrible wrath.
The Lord is a God of love as well as one of justice. He is also to be feared, to be revered.
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 11:19pm On Jan 29, 2008
imhotep:
1) This : "The only scripture acceptable to any christian useful for rebuke, reprove and growth is the holy bible. End of story" is not in the bible. Do u feel me?
I most certainly don't!  tongue
The bible does not explicitly say that it is an accepted fact by true christians. And you are choosing to ignore the fact that your extra-biblical church tenets blatantly VIOLATE/CONTRADICT the scriptures!!! That is all anyone needs to know about the catholic doctrine and why it cannot be accepted by any bible-beliving christian.


2) Do you know that one of the disastrous consequeces of 'sola fide' (by faith alone) is the gay problem that has infested a lot of churches around the world?

Their root of their argument is: as far as we believe in Jesus, we can do whatever we want to do. Our faith in Him will save us at the end. So, we have bible believing christians who parade with the bible and encourage others to be gay!
Again what does the fact that some people out there are hypocrits have to do with me?!  huh
The bible stands alone by itself - don't say because some people who claim to only follow it are liars, then all those who only follow the bible are likewise liarshuh no be wetin you dey try to talk be that?

There will always be people who use the grace of God as a licence to sin but Paul clearly tells us those people are dead wrong! so what's your problem?
What does that have to do with the bible as the only singular authority on all things christian?

When the bible is mis-interpreted, the consequences can be damning.

3) Jesus said:
Matthew 7:21: Not everyone who calls me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who DOES the will of my Father who is in heaven. ,

Following Jesus is about DEEDS, not sweet words or sentiments.
Since you ignored the scripture I gave you before, here it is again in large font:
  Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godnot by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

  Following Jesus is NOT about deeds/works. Works come as a result of faith, and that faith in Jesus to save us by His grace. Your works play no part whatsoever in your salvation! it is God alone who saves!
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 4:47pm On Jan 29, 2008
"Catholic bashing" is not my style. . . I think there have been more than enuff discussions here on that.
But nevertheless I shall indulge you brotha smiley

1) We are saved by faith AND good works

“What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? …You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only…? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:14, 24, 26)
uhm no, we are saved by grace alone! You need to read the scripture you quoted properly. It is saying it is impossible to have faith without works. Works is as a result of faith BUT the works themselves do not play any part whatsoever in our salvation. That is accomplished solely by God

Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.


2) Sola scriptura (by scripture alone) is at the root of Protestantism.

Now, where does this phrase ("by scripture alone"wink occur in the BIBLE, old testament or new testamenthuh

Sola scriptura, when applied to itself, fails woefully.
The only scripture acceptable to any christian useful for rebuke, reprove and growth is the holy bible. End of story.
And even moreso when any other "extra-biblical" writings or tenets or church constitutions violate/contradict the Holy Bible!

Anyways I prefer to stay on topic - there's enuff threads that have responded to ur concerns much more intelligently.
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 2:31pm On Jan 29, 2008
True, the website is a lot to read. I have a pdf version of the book though.
The Pope is not a small boy. His reflections run very deep.

You will also observe that those who do not listen to the Pope (and a good number of these read the bible every day) are those that are solidly behind:
- abortion
- euthanasia
- gay/lesbian 'marriage' (whatever that means)
- embryonic stem cells
- divorce / serial polygamy
- bestiality
- drug addiction
etc. These are ills that destroy the very fabric of human society.
and what do those people have to do with me? and every other christian who's strictly bible-beliving?
The fact that some of the popes critics that might be hypocrits has absolutely no effect on anything I do or think or believe.
The matter at hand is that the pope/catholic church has tenets that flat out violate the scriptures. . .why would I listen to what ever else he has to say when their doctrine denies the fact we're saved by grace alone? among others?

I'm not here to start or continue catholic bashing but we cannot use any extra-biblical materials here in this discussion, especially material that comes from a source that's not christian. Sorry.
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 10:24pm On Jan 28, 2008
Gamine:
lol

I know its the physical that comes more to mind.

But what do you mean by the act of worship and the actual act of worship
Dont get yourself in a fix

there are many instances where people worshipped God and we werent told the action
that they took part in.

A part of me thinks this problem with the word 'worship' has to do with English language lol
It could very well be, but I'm still skeptical. wink
Act of worship/actual act of worship - what I was tryn to say is in keeping with the examples we've been given in the scriptures - speaking praise, singing, bowing, etc. . .those are acts of worship multitudes of scriptures give examples of.

You're right in saying they're instances it is not specified how they worshipped God, BUT there is no hint anywhere of sex involved at anytime with anyone. So I'm proposing we just stick to what we know and can prove/justify with scripture. Cos we need to be able to justify our beliefs based on what He's given us (His word) before God and our consciences.

@imhotep
Gamine's right, that website is lots to read!
plus don't take this the wrong way but I don't take anything the pope says. The catholic doctrine has some things that outright violate scripture and any bible-believing christian cannot take anything he says as valid based on that. Sorry. lipsrsealed
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 7:27pm On Jan 28, 2008
Gamine:
Worship is the act of adoring and glorifying God

This is what you said Jesoul

If sex between married people isnt glorifying God, who is it glorifyying

I hope you guys understand im not even talking about just the Physical part

thats what is steeped in your mind.
Lol. . .how person no go immediately think the physical part when you hear "sex is worship"? grin it's only natural to think

Yes I did say it is the act of glorifying God but in the rest of that paragraph I said as in the scriptures its done with speaking praise, or bowing down or lifting their hands etc. .
When you obey God and live a godly life it glorifies His name. But the "actual act of worship" is different from this. make sense?
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 6:55pm On Jan 28, 2008
Gamine:
oh my days!
lol.

ok you see my point. . . .

Then i have to ask you now
Before i go further

What is Sex to you?
What is Worship to you?
me sef I dey laugh too. . . grin
To me and as far I can see and understand scripture, sex is for procreation, pleasure and intimacy. . .of which I place pleasure and intimacy at the top. grin

And to me worship can only be directed right at God. Worship is the act of adoring and glorifying God. When we see instances in scripture of people worshipping God, it involved an act of speaking praise, or bowing down or lifting their hands or something like that that showed humbling oneself and lifting up God. For example in 1Cor 14: we see Paul's description of what orderly worship should be like, the singing, the praying etc.
My lifestyle that I live of godliness I wouldn't necessarily call "worship". Yes it glorifies God but doesn't exactly fall under the category of actual worship.
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 4:44pm On Jan 28, 2008
If you're saying that when two married people come together and are united, physically, mentally, emotionally and sexually it glorifies God becos it's done according to His word, I totally get that. and when you add:

It is a false concept that worship must always include singing. Any act that brings joy to God can be deemed worship
Now I think I see your point. But I still don't agree.
Everything that a married couple does together in unity pleases God becos it's in accordance with His word, that husband and wife be one and dedicate themselves to each other.
When they go out together to dinner, they're spending time with each other
When they make decisions together, like buying groceries and buying a house
When they go shopping together etc. . .

All these things makes God pleased that they're each loving and dedicated to each other in a godly way. Are those other things also worship too? since God is pleased?

If you're going to say "any act that brings joy to God can be deemed worship" then everything a married couple does together in accordance with honoring and loving each other is worship! every single thing!

That's why I still don't agree sex is worship. Care to debunk my arguements? wink
SportsRe: NFL Playoffs are Here. by JeSoul(f): 2:56pm On Jan 28, 2008
I'm just wondering if the rest of the castaways are ready to convert to Patriotism? switch to the winning side b4 its too late! grin
Reports of Brady's injury have been greatly exaggerated. Giants fans should not hope in that at all.
18 - 0, one more to go, 18 - 0, one more t. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 2:50pm On Jan 28, 2008
Gamine:
In Gods Perfect Design
He created sex to exist solely between husband and wife
No disagreements there.

Anyways,
Why Worship?
Worship is a way to demonstrate your awe, admiration, adoration and affection for an object or person
but in this context, we talk about worship to God and spouse
When you truly worship, it takes your mind off yourself, your circumstances and catch a glimpse of how God sees things.
I agree on ur description of worship BUT we're not called or even hinted at to worship our spouses!?!

Sexual intimacy is the highest form of mutual worship
it is the place of complete vulnerability and openness
when a person is vulnerable/open and laid bare that does not equal worship, how you take reach that conclusion my sister? huh
All it means is that you've given urself over to ur spouse, that is not necessarily worshipping him/her.

For a moment suspended in time, man and woman return to being naked and unashamed
Without pretense all is revealed and exchanged, the two come away with a deeper knowledge
of each other, sharing a bond stronger than before.
Gods perfect Design!. smiley
I think we all agree this is the ideal for married people. They become one with each other and nothing is left hidden. But how is this physical/sexual bond worship? all it is is a bond and connection btw 2 people.
Christianity EtcRe: Christian Tattoos by JeSoul(f): 6:08pm On Jan 25, 2008
cybersleek:
JeSoul, i pack more than a six, infact, im similar to the thrilla in manilla wink
lol grin you no go killi me with laugh. Just take am easy for those bench presses. . .*clears throat* cheesy

debosky:
@ David

what is the motive for a wrist-watch, a necklace with a cross, a 'mike tyson' haircut versus an 'mc hammer' style , a pedicure, or even teeth-whitening? grin

At its essence, it comes down to self expression.

As for me (aspiring Sumo wrestler) sprinkled fat+sugar filled donuts are essential! tongue
LOL. . .I'd advocate the MC hammer haircut over the tyson
Christianity EtcRe: Christian Tattoos by JeSoul(f): 5:38pm On Jan 25, 2008
debosky:
I don't think there's anything wrong with tattoos in themselves - the motive is the most important thing.

It should not be done in excess of course, but I think it is in order if you do it to show your allegiance to Christ.

on the other hand, the Levitical instructions are pretty clear on certain things, including being unclean for 7 days (or more) during women's monthly cycles.

The interesting one I read (incidentally this morning) was thou shalt not wear clothing with wool co-mingled with linen (or cotton) cheesy!

If I no wear wool+cotton Jacket, cold for don kill me by now tongue so we should actually note the real motive of some of these Levitical ordinances.
A much better and concise response of what I was tryna say grin. Motive plays a big part in all this.
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 5:23pm On Jan 25, 2008
cybersleek:
Pest ke, i will find the relevant bits and post it asap! this forum is good in that it allows for discussion of topics which otherwise we might find difficult to discuss in public or in person, Be right back soon,
mucho gracias!  grin I shall be waiting sir.
Christianity EtcRe: Christian Tattoos by JeSoul(f): 5:20pm On Jan 25, 2008
[quote author=D-reloaded link=topic=108212.msg1887683#msg1887683 date=1201276587]See I don't agree with that because "immodest dressing" can't kill you either but it's frowned upon in Christianity.

Also I don't believe that because you get people to put tatts of Christ or whatever on themselves means they will suddenly become Christians. Some of these jesus fish tat having people are actually atheists. I'm assume as a form of sarcasm. It's still in a way descreting a body that is supposedly supposed to be temple of the Holy Spirit, abi? Can they seriously say they are glorifying God with that action?[/quote]hold up now, I said "if it's not in the scriptures"
immodest dressing is talked about several times and prohibited for christians. There's no arguement there.

And I wasn't saying that putting on tats will make them christians no. But for the tatooed christians I've seen who've used it as a means to create evangelistic opportunities where's the beef with that? They get the chance when they go to tatoo conventions to share their faith and come back with testimonies. How can we sit here and say what they're doing is wrong?

And if you're going to use the desecrating the temple of God arguement then that means you must never eat anything bad for you, no doughnuts, burgers or fries, you must work out every day etc. . .catch my drift? I don't think tatooing is 'desecrating' the body. To each his own. The bible says its what comes out of your body that makes it unclean. I can't hate on someone who does it and uses it to glorify God. It's not my place.
Christianity EtcRe: Christian Tattoos by JeSoul(f): 5:13pm On Jan 25, 2008
[quote author=D__D link=topic=108212.msg1887668#msg1887668 date=1201276440]i don't quite agree that we are no longer bound by the laws of the old testament . . . else we wont be bound by the 10 commandments either.

Everything else you said in your second paragraph i agree with 110%.

Did you also know that wearing earings for males was a mark of a servant in the old testament?[/quote]yeah I shoulda made that distinction. The 10 commandments definately- there's no arguement against that.
What I meant were the laws like shaving ur head and becoming unclean if you do certain things etc. . .those parts of the old covenant.
Christianity EtcRe: Christian Tattoos by JeSoul(f): 5:10pm On Jan 25, 2008
[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=108212.msg1887595#msg1887595 date=1201275478]Lol. . . galfriend JeSoul, even before I reach here, you have taken the words outa ma mouth! grin

Anyhow, a few lines I may add to share with D-reloaded.

Many blessings.[/quote]they say great minds think alike. . . cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 5:05pm On Jan 25, 2008
If you mention marriage today from a western concept, what would readily come to your mind is being in church and exchanging rings, mind you this are ideas that crept into christianity not more than 500 years ago!
You're right the whole ring thing is new, I see it as part of a culture that does not violate or contradict any part of scripture hence its okay. Like many practices in many cultures around the world.

 
the basis for a marriage in the time of Adam and Eve was for you to take a woman as a wife, not in the manner we are used to,but in agreement which will seem a bit alien today, but you will find out that sexual union was a veritable confirmation of union between a man and a woman.
hmmm I think I get what you're trying to say, and we don't disagree on this. Sexual union usually follows every marriage, I still don't see how it relates to worshipping God. It certainly glorifies God when the two parties are doing in the right context but I'm failing to see its relation to worship.

When you call sex in marriage or otherwise a "gift" , you do that to make it less important because what we have been taught as per culture and religeon is that sex is that it is something which you must not make too important.
Not for me no. Calling it a gift does not make it less important or relevant. I thank God for it but will not elevate it to a status the bible hasn't advocated (in relation to worship). Infact i think it is very important in a marriage context. But again how is it worship?

But in reality, when you follow the tone of the bible, you will see that it is part of what we are created to be rather than it being just a gift for enjoyment or just for relaxation. Then we might say equally, life is a gift so don't take it, our ability to see in color is also a giftand everything else.
I agree sexuality is part of every human being, not to be shied away from.  Life is a gift, by God's grace and mercy everything we can do is a gift from God.
But when you say "follow the tone" of the bible care to expand on that? where's this in the bible? whether greek or hebrew? I'm still waiting to see any scriptural references you have for your view. I'm sure there's lots of original greek/hebrew texts online. Can you find some and please translate and break it down?
  ps. I'm not tryn to be a pest, I just really want to know, honest.
Christianity EtcRe: Christian Tattoos by JeSoul(f): 4:29pm On Jan 25, 2008
[quote author=D-reloaded link=topic=108212.msg1887510#msg1887510 date=1201274429]Is the Qu'ran against tattoos, pilgrim?

I mean the bible specifically says

“Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD” (Leviticus 19:28)

yet you see people going around with their Jesus fish, Commandment scroll or whatever "Christian" tattoo and i just don't get who they are fooling

I guess one could say they do it because that "commandment" was in the Old Testament and msot Christian follow the New Testament. But even in the new testament, the bible doesnt exactly say you shouldnt smoke but I mean it's quite obviously that it's not favorably looked on based on

Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 6:19.

Honor God with your body." 1 Corinthians 6:20.

So I would think the same goes for tattoos being printed all over the "Christian" body as well.

or am I crazy?[/quote]no you are not crazy cheesy
I will say though that you're onto something when you say it's in the old covenant and we're not bound to it else we'd have to do every other single old school commandment as well.
However I wouldn't compare it to smoking, smoking is definately bad for you, but getting a tatoo isn't. And there's actually christian tatoo organizations out there who are using their gifts and tatoo conventions as a means of reaching other tatoo enthusiasts. . .now can I say that they're wrong? certainly not. They're redeeming the thing and returning it as a service to God.

However we can't ignore that tatoos are usually attached with negative connotations and we should avoid every appearance of evil. A christian being tatooed head to foot will draw adverse attention and that does not glorify God. But I think if in moderation and sincerity someone wants to use it as a means of creating evangelistic opportunity - we can't begrude them for that. Especially since the bible doesn't restrict it. If it isn't detrimental to them, and their conscience clears them then power to them. To each his own. One man's meat, another mans poision, one mans sabbath, is not to another.
PoliticsRe: Is 419 in our genes? by JeSoul(f): 4:20pm On Jan 25, 2008
tosinadeda:
Every 1 in naija has a fraudulent mind but really d truth must be said,the ibo tribe is more notorious simple
why now? huh you're asking for trouble by saying that. Generalizing like that no good at all, e no good and e no true.
PoliticsRe: Is 419 in our genes? by JeSoul(f): 4:09pm On Jan 25, 2008
blackcat1:
Idiot!!! if not that I had been banned before for bad behaviour cheesy, I would have replied you earlier. But fellow nairalanders have already replied and since I want to be a good blackcat this time the insult will not be too harsh in other words I will only repeat your words but brush them up a little bit cheesy tongue.

Here goes.Your stinking,rotten,filthy parents and all your fucking brothers and sisters have been ccondemnedto perpetual 419
shocked

haba make una play nice now. There's no need for this.
Blackcat when I saw ur comment I actually laughed and didn't take it serious. and was going to reply like this

Blackcat:
Yes in every Ibo and Edo man's blood
thank God I'm an Edo woman! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 4:00pm On Jan 25, 2008
Pilgrim1,
oh girl you took the words right outta my mouth, and those words are so well said they need to be repeated and I highlight the very on point points u make.
Lol. . . @cybersleek,

Cool temper small naw. . . Haba! grin How you jus dey shakara for my girlfriend, eh?

Lol. . . let's share a few things with you. . . amicably:

Well, I don't know bout others; but as for me, I believe that God married them both:

[list] Genesis 2:22-24

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man,
made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and
flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because
she was taken out of Man.

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.[/list]

God "brought" Eve to Adam - and I see that as directly hinting on the marriage between the man and his wife. What would the word "wife" be doing in that verse (v. 24) if there was not already a marriage in view in that account? undecided

I also believe that sex is a "gift" from God enjoyed by man and animals; but it is not to be understood in the context of other "gifts" such as repentance, salvation, faith or the Holy Spirit. wink

A lot of us have our ideas about marriage; but there are so many ideas about "marriage" that are simply not Biblical. When I was on holiday in Sweden, my host introduced me to a "couple" with the idea that they were connected! Since I didn't understand what "connected" meant, I later asked for clarification - and was kindly informed that it was a Swenglish slang for "marriage". Although the marriage in quote was specifically defined by another term - living in "sambo", I was not the wiser about the whole affair! undecided

I don't think she was arguing based on hearsays from others.

True, the Bible honestly gives the account of many people who had sex outside marriage - but you need to go find out if that state of affairs is what God approved [b]ANYWHERE.[/b]

Believe it or not - I know of a couple (just one) that are said to have lived all their lives in marriage without having sex. Please don't ask me for the details - I wasn't there for statistical and empirical verification! cool But no one doubted that the wife was actually a virgin when examined at death! <Cough-cough> BTW, this couple were not Christians or Jews (they had a religious belief of sorts, and for the life of me, I still can't make out what exactly their religion was undecided ).

Queer world, you may say. But as my head was spinning about this whole affair, my friend asked me if I could have a shot at interpreting Luke 2:36 >>

And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel,
of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age,
and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity.

Ma broder, try as hard as I may, I really can't say exactly with any measure of authority that the verse was saying Anna did not have sex all the time she lived with her husband! Again, please don't send me emails about any statistical or empirical analysis. . . or I go jus vex scatter for your head!! angry

No O! shocked You beta come back and share more on this very issue! Remember what you said earlier? We are here to hear "a lot of things" that are not taught in the church! grin

Enjoy o jare!
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 3:55pm On Jan 25, 2008
i see you are still operating under the misconception of dogma and religeon.
huh how did you arrive at this conclusion?

 
Read my post very well, when you talk about marriage, did God marry Adam to Eve?
I don't think anyone disputes adam and eve were husband and wife, is that what you're asking?

you tell me. When you say" it is a gift" do you mean like the holy spirit or the gift of repentance or salvation?
no not on the level of salvation. . . does not even come close to comparing. Salvation is the greatest thing God ever did for us. . .sex is just something for married folks to enjoy.

 
i see you have already taken a biased stance before you have even started trying to put forth an argument.
a biased stance? didn't you come here with a biased stance? or otherwise known as an opinion? what's wrong with that?

 
Go and read the scriptures well and you will find out that marriage as we know it today, and as you are trying to interprete it is different from what you have in mind.
since I obviously don't know can you please care to show me these scriptures?

 
True, sex in marriage is the only one approved of by God for obvious reasons, search the bible properly and tell me how many places in the bible where they mention a man and a woman coming together in marriage and making love being the "gift" in the sense that you have used it, and i will show you that you are only arguing based on what others have told you and not what you have read yourself.
Sex is a gift in that it is for procreation, intimacy, pleasure and companionship and courtesy of a website who put the appropriate scriptures together here you go:

 [center]Procreate Gen. 1:28, "And God blessed them; and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.'"

Intimacy Song 1:13, "My beloved is to me a pouch of myrrh which lies all night between my breasts.
Song 2:3, "Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men.  In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste."
Song 2:6, "Let his left hand be under my head and his right hand embrace me.”
Song 4:5, "Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle, which feed among the lilies."


Companionship
Song 3:1, “On my bed night after night I sought him whom my soul loves, "

Physical Pleasure
Song 1:2, "May he kiss me with the kisses of his mouth! For your love is better than wine.[/center]  

I am not claiming to be an authority in biblical matters, but i can see you have already started using phrases like "stretching the truth" , this are hallmarks of zealousness without due dilligence, sex occurs without marriage in quote, but does marriage occur without sex? you answer the question yourself and see which one answers the question. I rest my case.
neither do I claim to be an authority. I'm simply asking that if anyone draws comparisons to our faith and make conclusive statements they should be able to prove them biblically or else just leave it be. Can you prove it biblically? that's really all I'm asking, not trying to pick a fight. So kindly drop the notions I'm zealous without knowledge or rushing to conclusions based on what I've heard without personal bible study. . .the onus rests on you to prove ur stance with scripture. just like it does on me and anyone else who makes a claim.
Christianity EtcRe: Speaking In Tongues by JeSoul(f): 3:30pm On Jan 25, 2008
oghos2k:
i think u should ask yourself what kind of tongues the apostles spoke in. They spoke in languages other people around can understand and not just some crazy noise u hear ;people screaming and no one can make a meaning from. also, in Icor 14:27, it says if people want to speak in tongues in the church, they can and they must not be more than 2 or 3. and they must speak in turn. Thats one after the other. They must also have someone to interpret what they are saying else, they should keep silent and not disturb the church. So tongue is something other people can understand and also interpret so let us all stop decieveing ourselves that the holy spirit is making us say nonsence because thats even blasphemy.K?The holy spirit doesnt work that way.
LOL grin I agree with every word, syllable, comma and full stop! If only more people paid attention to what the scriptures say about tongues.
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 2:52pm On Jan 25, 2008
Even in christianity, the idea of sex between a man and a woman is meant to represent the unison between God and man, two becoming one indivisible
  ponder this quote from the holy scriptures " God created man in his own image, male and female created he them" that tells you that though we have two genders, humans are not what we are on the exterior, but who you are is invisible to the naked eye, that is why in the kingdom of God, people neither marry nor are given in marriage, as we take on our real form which is without gender
  Anyway, the next time you roll in the hay, remember you are demonstrating the union between God and man. Also that is why in other to create a new life you require 23 chromosomes from the male and 23 from the female, the union of two becoming one. I know this may sound a bit far fetched, but think about it.
it is far-fetched! Sex does not demonstrate the union between God and man. . . it is the actual Marriage that demonstrates the union between God and man!

   Sex is a gift to us from God, just like any other gift. the act itself is something for married couples to enjoy, it does not mirror our relationship with God. . . it is the acutal MARRIAGE that can be compared with our relationship with God - not the singular act of sex. And I don't see any scripture that event hints at what you're trying to insinuate. Can you prove me wrong? unless you stretch some scripture to fit, there's no outright comparison of sex to our faith or with worshipping God and I don't think we should be going out of our way to compare the two - what do we gain by doing that?
 
  because when you liken sex to worship and our relationship with God I think it heavily trivializes and demoralizes it. Every instance of the physical act of sex mixed with religion in the bible was associated with the pagan cultures God drove out before the isrealites. It was never hinted at as a good thing.
  I'm not saying sex is bad at all,  grin no way but there is no way on earth I would even think of relating it to worship!
PoliticsRe: Is Obama Finished? by JeSoul(f): 2:28pm On Jan 25, 2008
watchung:
He's definitely not going to win the democratic nomination. The Clinton machine is just too much for him. The Clinton's have tactically/skillfully made him into the "The Black Candidate" with that he's toast and any body that thinks otherwise is leaving in to borrow Bill Clinton's word "a fairy tale"
I don't think you can rule out Obama like that. I don't think anyone expected him to be so successful thus far and pose as a real threat against Hillary.
If anything this race has been one full of suprises so I won't count him out yet- you never know. He's def going to win SC and that momentum can have a ripple effect in other primaries on super tuesday.

plus even if he gets labelled the "black candidate" he can still steal the sympathy votes from "liberal whites" who might think that voting for a black person is their own way of proving they're not racist or or that they're "good" people.
PoliticsRe: Is Obama Finished? by JeSoul(f): 4:29pm On Jan 24, 2008
Obama finished ke? no way oh.
We won't know for sure until super tuesday, by then the frontrunner should be clearly defined. And he's 99% sure to win SC - black people will vote for him, they seemed favorably disposed to him at the debate.
Christianity EtcRe: Sex Is Worship by JeSoul(f): 4:22pm On Jan 24, 2008
I'm confused by the title huh pls explain why and how sex is worship?

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