₦airaland Forum

donstan18:
Give them gun and opportunity and you'll get to know that they aren't small boys.

Their death sure saved a lot of havoc, properties and thousands of lives in the future.

This is idiotic talk. There are more guns in the hands of civilians and far more violent crime in America than Nigeria, but Americans have never burnt anyone

This is how you know that Africans are barbarians who have no regard for human life. Killing two small boys because of phone?? Chei! I am ashamed to be called an African

BabaRamota1980:
There is nothing Igbo can do to advance Nigeria, nothing! If Igbo become president things will get worse for the country. Igbo has no clue how to build society and sustain progress. We see how they run their own region. We witnessed how they helped Jonathan run his administration also. Give Nigeria to Ibo and this nation will be ruined.

Well no Igbo man has been President of Nigeria since 1966, how is Nigeria today?

Charleys:
The Igbo language is at the brink of Extinction.

They don't like bearing their names and love English names.

They never wear their traditional clothes but love importing

It is getting harder and harder to find an Igbo man that can speak Igbo for a full minute without adding a word of English. Its terrible, I have been guilty of the same in the past. But now, I make it a point of duty not to put any English when I speak Igbo unless it is to buttress a fact.

Let no Igbo man be deceived, they will never let an Igbo man be president of Nigeria. If Nigeria had been run fairly and equitably, power would have been devolved from the centre so that everyone is in control of their resources and nobody would have cared where the President comes from

ChimaAdeoye:
It shows you the mischief behind the silly post.

Indomie generation that doesnt even know that the word Anioma was first used in the 70's to represent the Igbo speaking areas of old Bendel state, now Delta state.

Very unfortunate

xcon:
the anioma are group of ethnic groups eg Ukuwale, Ika,etc as recognised by Nigerian constitution.

Group of ethnic groups? What is that? Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo could easily be a group of ethnic groups

Guestlander:
You don't even have a basic knowledge of what federalism is. I will be wasting my time trying to explain anything to you.
According to your logic if the federating units control their resources but the federal government controls every other thing it is federalism. So?
Nigeria became a unitary state with Ironsi's decree 34. You can twist and bend it whichever way you want but that is the fact.

When you control your resources, it does not matter what the federal government controls. When you control the resources on your land, you control your destiny. You become the one in control of your own development. Unlike this unitary system we practice now where everyone runs to the federal government for monthly subvention, in true federalism, it is the Federal Government that runs every every month to the federating unitsfor subvention. It he who controls resource that holds the key. Because Ironsi did not touch resource control, he is not the one who introduced unitary rule. The person who introduced unitary rule in Nigeria was Gowon when he abolished resource control

Kriss216:
Aniomas are the Igbo tribe.

There is no tribe called Anioma. Anioma is just a name used in reference to an area same as Nigeria. Anioma is not a tribe same as Nigeria is not a tribe

There is no tribe called Anioma

Pimpmaride:
I know u... U will still refuse to learn.... That is how ur kind behaves, so far it doesn't suit u, it is not right...


We know ur people like that

There is nothing to learn. Federalism is all about resource control. If Ironsi allowed resource control, which he did, then there no way he could have introduced unitary rule. It is not possible to have resource control and unitary rule at the same time. Its like someone saying that there can be day and night at the same time.

LegendHero:
I initially chose to ignore you because you don't even understand the topic of Federation and Republic and it is a disgrace that you can come online and say Nigeria is a republic as at Oct 1st 1960.

Let me try to educate you for free from my free education:
-Nigeria was a Federation pre-Oct 1960 but under the commonwealth and the authority of the British Queen as a colony of Britain.

-By Oct 1st 1960, Nigeria is still a Federation but it is now a sovereign nation. However, the British Queen still remained the Head of state in "Title".

Have you ever wondered why Azikwe only became the President in 1963? That was because Nigeria became a Federal Republic in 1963, which means that Azikwe replaced the British crown as the symbol of national sovereignty and head of state.

Now you will ask me what is the difference between the Republic in 1963 and the Republic of Ironsi, let me educate you.

When Nigeria became a republic in 1963, it was called the Federal Republic of Nigeria, we are still operating our constitution, the major thing that changed was the replacement of the Queen with the president (Azikwe). We severed ties with the British completely at that point.

However, Ironsi removed the Federal from it by his decree 34 and called it just "Republic of Nigeria". At that point it ceases to be a federation.

So the difference was that it was "Federal Republic of Nigeria" before and now "Republic of Nigeria".

I asked you earlier that do you think Ironsi is a comedian for promulgating that it ceases to be a federation? Don't you think that word "ceases to be a federation" carry enormous weight?

Check the decree below, Ironsi removed everything called Federal from the constitution.
-Federal Republic of Nigeria = Republic of Nigeria
-Federal Military Government = National Military Government
-Federal Capital Territory = Capital Territory.

Now go and read up the difference between a Federation and a Republic that Ironsi promulgated. Only then can you understand why people always say he initiated the unification and led us to this stage.

If you try to talk after this again, then I will just keep shut, but I have done my bit to educate you.

Your problem is that you are far more interested in words and terms than what was actually practiced. Nigeria is today called a federal Republic but everyone knows that there is nothing federal about Nigeria

The question you should ask is if Ironsi allowed resource control and the fiscal policy agreed at independence. Dwelling on terms and names and leaving the main substance of what was practiced is just ignorance

Pimpmaride:
Kingzizzy this man is educating u.. Pls learn


Thank u Legendhero

He is not educating anything, he is far more interested in names and terms than what obtained at the time

Guestlander:
Federalism is far more than just resource control. From local and municipal laws to policing and many other things. The Nigerian federalism is a complete farce.

Yes federalism is more than resource control, but without resource control, there can be no federalism whatsoever

Guestlander:
The regions under Ironsi ceased to be the federating units from the day the decree 4 was enacted. They were there only for administrative reasons. That is all, you need to read up on what a proper federation should be.
You are just harping only on the fiscal aspect of it, a federation is far more than that.

You obviously dont know what you are talking about because every part of a country is for administrative purpose. What matters is what powes the Government at the centre has and what powers the federating units have. If the federating units control their resources, just like Ironsi allowed, it is true federalism. If the government at the centre, or federal government, control the resources just like Gowon allowed, it is unitary rule

Whatever a federation should be, if the federating units do not control the resources on their land, and the federal government takes over their resources, it is no longer a federation

freeborn02:
Kindly read with understanding. If the name isn't an issue, it wouldn't have been changed. The document read that regionalism was abolished! and you here saying it doesn't matter?!

Do you even realise the meaning and strength of the word "abolish"

The problem with people like you is that you are looking at words rather what was was done, which is far more important than words

Ironsi may have called the the Regions "group of provinces", but thats what they were

He may have called Nigeria a "Republic", but thats what Nigeria was as at 1st October 1960

No matter the words or terminology used in Decree 34, the fact is that Ironsi kept the essential ingredients of a federation or true federalism such as maintaining the 4 Regions of the time, keeping resource control and maintaining fiscal federalism/revenue sharing formular agreed at independence. Therefore, he couldn't have introduced unitary rule into Nigeria.

Unitary rule is not about changing names, it is about taking resource control away from the people and placing it in the hands of the federal government

LegendHero:
Let me ask you two question:
—Why do you think it is called a “Unification Decree”?

It was called the unification decree because it unified the civil service.

—Also, Ironsi said Nigeria ceases to be a Federation and he proclaimed it a Republic. Do you know the difference between a Federation and a Republic? Do you think those words are embedded in the decree as mere cosmetics?

Republic only means that Nigeria had become self governing. Nigeria had already become a Republic as at 1st October 1960.

Resource control when the civil service is already a Federal Civil service commission answerable to the Supreme Military Council. The teachers/civil servants working in the Western Region have been merged with those of the Northern & Eastern and they are all called a Federal Civil Service and under the authority of the SMC.

Lets not forget that this was military rule, its not like it was democracy. What matters beyond military rule is did Nigerians have resource control? Did the Regions have resource control and fiscal federalism? Under Ironsi's regime, they did. So how could Ironsi have introduced unitary rule in Nigeria if all the component areas of Nigeria still practiced resource control and fiscal federalism? Not possible

Ironsi already set the motion for the eventual takeover of the resource controlling ability from the region, Gowon just came to nail the final coffin and that’s all.

Read the last (3) portion of the decree, Ironsi already made it so that he has the sole authority over the affairs of the people because he said the National Military council reserves the power to delegate duties UNcondiTionally to the military governors to make laws for the group of provinces in terms of good government.

This is a lame excuse just to blame Ironsi. " Ironsi did something like he was going to to take away federalism so Gowon, who was supposed to be better than Ironsi, chose to be far worse"

Lol

Guestlander:
What type of logic is this? Even the provincial/ regional leaders were brought under his control you are talking of resource control! What resource?
What Ironsi created was no longer a federation where you can claim any resource. You and your resources were brought under the FG.

The provincial and Regional leaders are always under someones control even in democracy. What matters is if the provinces and Regions had resource control which allows them to develop, manage and control whatever resources are on their lands and to keep the larger portion of the profits and pay the federal government an agree tax.

True federalism is all about resource control. Ironsi allowed resource control and thats why he couldn't have been the one who introduced unitary rule

LegendHero:
Yes I know, but they were administered differently. They are totally under the control of their respective regions before Ironsi came with the decree.

Now if you check the 2(d) of the Decree 34, Ironsi played a fast one with the law. Check the bolded part, the provinces are now subjected to the authority of Ironsi as head of National Military government as against when the Regions solely controlled them.

"For the purposes of administration each group of provinces shall subject to the authority of the Head of the National Military Government, be under the the general direction and control of a Military Governor appointed Head of the National Military Government"

Yes, that is Military rule. In Military rule, all appointments are subject to the overall Military leader. Thats why it is not democracy. The important thing here is that because Ironsi did not take away resource control or the revenue sharing formular/fiscal federalism agreed at independence, he did not introduce unitary rule. If the group of provinces, or Regions, still had control of their resources and still paid the agreed tax to the federal government, then there was no unitary rule during Ironsi's time.

Gowon came in and abolished the 4 Regions, created 12 states and took away resource control which made the Federal government too powerful to decide who gets what. Resource control is what decides what is unitary. Gowon introduced unitary rule as soon as he took away resource control away

LegendHero:
Why should Obasanjo reverse it when the structure favored the military and politicians?

Why should Obasanjo reverse the decree when Nigeria is already benefiting from the ND oil?

Ironsi is the architect of his people woes and Nigeria as a whole.

He made a very big mistake in promulgating that law and if he had lived long past the counter coup, he would have created states eventually coz he already set the template for states with the provinces.

Creating provinces will eventually make each province wary of the other (and more provincially conscious) and the issue of marginalization will eventually arise whereby leaders within each province can complain to the Supreme military government and can give room for a situation where Ironsi might give the provinces more autonomy from their Military governor of each corresponding provinces.

He already showed them that Provinces can be carved out from a region, the why not converting provinces to autonomous states? Gowon just banked on that and here we are today.

I guess you have no idea that the Regions where always made up of provinces? The Regions where just a group of provinces just like states are just a group of local governments

wirinet:
Is that so? So the unification decree unified the civil service only, but did not take control of the resources? How was the unified civil service to be funded then? You are now insinuating that a single civil service controlled from Lagos all will serve all 4 Regions. Who would then determine the policy of these 4 Regions or will the single civil service formulate 4 different policies for each of the regions?

You still dont get it. As long as each Region was controlling its resources and keeping the larger share of the proceeds from its lands and paying the government what was agreed as at independence, none of the above matters. Thats what obtained during Ironsi's time. As long as Ironsi did not tamper with resource control and the fiscal policy of the time, and he did not, he could not have been the one who introduced unitary rule

freeborn02:
No, it did not recognise regions; it changed regions to provinces. Regionalism gives the regions control. But calling them provinves give the central power the control. It means the provinces will have to take permission from the central power and report to the central power. It means the central power can hire and fire as it deems fit.

So, that translates to a unitary rule.

The decree called the Regions "group of provinces" because thats what they were. Its like calling a state in Nigeria a group of Local governments, thats what a state is. Whatever name one uses for the Regions or state isnt the issue. The issue is if everyone was controlling their resources. If everyone is controlling their resources then it is not unitary rule, it is true federalism. Ironsi maintained resource control throughout his time in power

Nigeria is not a zoo, it has since upgraded to animal kingdom

Ategberoson:
see as Ndigbo are showing love to themselves? I don't wish this kind love to Yoruba nation anyway

You mean like when Ife and Modakeke wanted to finish each other some time ago?

illicit:
So this Rabbi is preaching Rascism

No wonder he calls himself a Jew when he is not even an Israeli

You dont have to be Israeli to be a Jew same as you dont have be a Roman to be Roman Catholic. There are many Israeli's who are not Jews.

What he is saying is not far from the truth. There are many white people who look down on black people, not for the colour of their skin, but the way they reason.

A typical example is when IPOB was procribed and the US and the EU condemned the proscription. While the white man considers a terrorist group to be an armed organisation that is killing people and destroying property, such as the Heardsmen, the Nigerian government believes that a terrorist group are those singing and waving Biafran flags on the streets. Even the idiot called Garbage Shehu came on national tv to say that IPOB is terrorist group because they print money and passport but that the herdsmen that are armed and killing people are mere criminals.

Someone takes is money and buys two ambulances for Covid 19 centre, some people overlook this act of generosity and focus on the maker of ambulance. Does a covid 19 patient care who made the ambulance he is in?

Pimpmaride:
Fact is ironsi introduce uni uni into the govt

And pls kindly gimme a link dt says the unification decree is only for civil service.

Pls gimme a verifiable source

The unification decree is on page one of this thread. Read it, that's all the proof you need

Although I was not in Lagos at the time, I did see pictures and videos of my hommies on mile two rocking the Biafran protests

joeyfire:
Gbam! The only thing Ironsi really did was unify the civil service. He retained the regional system made up of provinces. Very commendable for a military government as history has since shown us over the years starting with Gowon

They have Decree 34 layed out before them in page 1 of this thread. They cannot point to any section of that decree where Ironsi introduced unitary rule. Decree 34 was all about the unification of civil service, nothing more

But because they have become so used to believing the age old lie that Ironsi introduced unitary rule, they cannot bring themselves to admit he never did.

Some people will rather carry on with lies that Ironsi caused the problem in other to hide the fact that it was Gowon that introduced unitary rule to Nigeria

Pimpmaride:
Boss shut up... Many people here especially igbos have agreed dt ironsi created it but Gowon capitalized on it..


Fact is fact.. So far unitary decree is involved, ironsi brought it first into the govt..

Simple... Stop arguing blindly like a bat

It is not unitary decree, it is unification decree and it only had to do with the unification of the civil service.