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mavenbox:
@kunleOshob: Ok But I dont think you can find facts supporting higher dimensions if your window of observation is within 3D

So were did the producers of that video get there "facts" from

mavenbox:
Talking about pi and e, I was implying that HEAVEN, a spiritual place (which KunleOshob asked about) is disjoint with higher dimensions observable in this physical place, just as irrational and rational numbers in set theory. There is no intersection of the number sets. I think he understood my point, though

I am sorry my dear but the higher dimensions postulated in that video are not observable in the physical place. that aprt i suspect heaven exist in another dimension not physically perceivable to human abilities.

mavenbox:
@KunleOshob: LOL there may not be much evidence if you seek it now, because almost all of human experience is still in the 3D world. The few ones that are not are deemed paranormal. But very soon, if Christ tarries, I believe we may experience "technological advancements" such as time-travel, which will apply some of these dimensions and put them into practical use. After all, at one time the law of gravity was all-assuming until the law of aerodynamics was initiated and man was air-borne in unprecedented vehicles.

I do agree with you that there are occurences which we can not perceive as humans becos of our limited senses, even lower animals have exihibted senses that leave us dazzled[i.e migratory animals that migrate thousands of miles across the globe yearly and can still find their way home] some animals have been observed to have senses that can feel the earth's magnetic field or have an internal GPS and this is backed by science talkless of human parnoramal experiences. In truth there are occurences we can't perceive whether extra dimensional or not. but the fact still remains that there is no logic or facts to back up the hypothesis in that video.

the scripture below explains why Oledepo and other so called men of God twist the scriptures. Fraud and greed is the moving factor and they do it just to make money. As i said earlier a word is enough for the wise.

Jeremiah 8:8-10:

8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the Lord,”
when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?
9 These wise teachers will fall
into the trap of their own foolishness,
for they have rejected the word of the Lord.
Are they so wise after all?
10 I will give their wives to others
and their farms to strangers.
From the least to the greatest,
their lives are ruled by greed.
Yes, even my prophets and priests are like that.
They are all frauds.

@najayi
Before i school you on the truth about tithes, i would admonish you to go and read deuteronomy 14:22-29 very well and find out what the biblical dfinition and execution of tithes is as opposed to the twisted version we have in todays churches. After that read Hebrews 7:5-19 with special emphasis on verses 11,12, 18& 19 were tithing was condenmed and abolished. Afer you have read them feel free to come back to me to learn mor about tithes. But before then let me ask you a few questions
[1] was the biblical tithes money?
[2] was it ever instructed to christians in the new testament?
[3] Are we still under the levitical priesthood?
[4] If yes why are our preachers not fufilling all the other conditions attached to the levitical priesthood like not being allowed to own property[deuteronomy 14:29]
[5]Tithing for the levites was instructed to the done once in three years[deuteronomy 14:28] how come it is now a weekly/ monthly affair.
[6] The tither is supposed to eat of his tithes, [deuteronomy 14:23&26] how come your greedy pastors never preach this assuming tithing is applicable to christians?
There is a lot more but you can go and digest this few nuggets first, if you truly desire to know the truth, i would be available to show you from scriptures, then you can decide for your self who is saying the truth and who is twisting the word of God.

1 John 4:1
1 John 4
1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

A man of God is not meant to love money but Oledepo not only loves money, his whole "ministry" is all about money.
1 Timothy 6:5-11:
5 These people always cause trouble. Their minds are corrupt, and they have turned their backs on the truth. To them, a show of godliness is just a way to become wealthy.
6 Yet true godliness with contentment is itself great wealth. 7 After all, we brought nothing with us when we came into the world, and we can’t take anything with us when we leave it. 8 So if we have enough food and clothing, let us be content. 9 But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. 10[b] For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows. 11 But you, Timothy, are a man of God; so run from all these evil things. Pursue righteousness and a godly life, along with faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness. [/b]
1 Timothy 3:2-3:
2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not love money; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

2 Peter 2:1-3:

The Danger of False Teachers
1 But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.

Oledepo makes up a lot of clever lies to extort money from people that makes him a false prophet. That is apart from the fact that he also preaches the false tand fraudulent doctrine of tithes, as far as i am concerned any pastor that preaches tithes as compulsary is a false prophet and that includes Adeboye. Chriatians were never asked to tithe in the bible.

Kaystick:
I CANT BELEIVE WE STILL HAVE SOME FOOLS AND MORONS LIKE KUNLE AND HIS SET OF DEVILS ON NAIRALAND.YOU HAVE YOUR RIGHT TO EXPRESS YOUR VIEW BUT AM VERY SURE U WIL STILL COMMENT ON WAT GOD WILL USE TO SLAP THAT YOUR ROTTEN FACE. to ba ya ee ni aye sheeeee yin

Who is this looney that went to create new I.D just to rant nonsense Just becos some of us have decided to expose the frauds of Oledepo[ a servant of the devil] you are calling me a devil. You better wake up b4 it is too late mungun like your self.

@mavenbox
I watched the video but i think it is tooo highly speculative and presumptious, i mean who has experienced the fourth dimension talkless of the mythical 5th to tenth dimensions. Is there any thing that backs this assertions or are we to accept it by faith as well.

The mistake you are making is that you are assuming Oledepo is a man of God just because he claims to be so, if he were to be a true man of God and not the crook he truly is i would give him his due respect. But as far as the bible is concerned he is a false prophet. The bible says even the very elect would almost be decieved how much less members of "winners" chapel.

Matthew 24:4-5:

4 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, 5 for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am annointed.’ They will deceive many.
Matthew 24:11-12:
11 And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. 12 Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold.
Matthew 24:24:
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones.

A word is enough for the wise.

@najayi
I think it is you that needs deliverance from the bondage/oppression of Oledepo. Go and read your bible well you would discover that your bishop is a perfect example of a false teacher.

leahsarahk:
Yes thanks for that scripture. Can anyone tell me how I can explain to my husband about what is going on in the Redeemed Christian Church and many churches doing the same thing. I need to be able to write down from the scripture verse by verse showing him how he is being deceived by the church. I see myself that they are not teaching properly about giving of money and that they are also controlling the members in many ways. While I am there even I feel out of place because the people are all acting the same. They say Amen together, and halleluja together. They dance the same too. They pray the same. To me it is as if they are robots. When the offering is going to be taken up, they all say in sinc "Heavenly Blessing". I need to know how to expain to him that it seems they have brain washed him and the others. I would like to write the verses from the bible to explain the truth about tithing. I thank those that have shared with me Deut 14 and also Hebrews 7, and the one in Gal 5:4. They are great and seem clear to me. I would appreciate any help on this I can get. The scripture in 1 Pet 5 touched on the control issue the church is placing over the people. I am happy to get all these scriptures. Now how do I go about explaining to him what is going on? Is thier any information sites on line I could search as well? Thanks so much for all the help so far

As you said i think it is better you put it in writing so as to avoid an argument and be denied of the opportunity of putting your points across properly. Make your writting very short and straight to the point higlighting the scriptures to back our assertions. He is most likely not going to give in easily and would probably want to consult his pastor for clarification, the pastor would attempt to confuse him more but if he is really discerning and he genuinely wants to know the truth he would begin to pick holes in he pastor's logic. I suggest you start with the scriptures i gave you earlier, if you need anymore i would be more than glad to supply them. There are tonnes of reason in the bible which maakes it clear that tithing is not applicable to christians. I would also give you links to other tithe topics on this forum were you might pick a thing or two from.

@najayi
I am very familiar with matthew 25 and i can tell you categorically that it was not referring to Men of God talkless of false teachers like David Oledepo so stop quoting it out of context. If you read that passage in it's proper context you might learn a thing or two and decide to rededicate to your life to the true service of God rather than pastor worship most of you brainwashed folks engage in. Bishop Oledepo is certainly not a man of God, the bible testifies to that and i am sure the heavens would also reject him if he does not repent. Why do i speak againts him? Because the bible admonishs us to speak against false teachers else they lead more souls to hell. As a christian i can't watch a criminal parading himself as a man of God and in good conscience keep quite whilst my brethen are being deceived. God certainly won't be happy if i kept my mouth shut and not tell people the truth.

Titus 1:11:
11 These false teachers[Oledepo & Co] must be silenced, because they are turning whole families away from the truth by their false teaching. And they do it only for money.

[quote author=Sisi_Kill link=topic=312423.msg5084016#msg5084016 date=1260432866]IF YOU MOCK THE STATEMENTS FROM MY MOUTH, YOU WILL DIE.[/quote]ANd the lunatic claims to be representing christ Is this the kind of thing Jesus would say?

Very confusing, i can only think in the third dimension.

By the way which dimension is heaven in

@najayi
Jesus was talking about the poor and less priviledged people in matthew 25 and not criminals masquarading themselves as men of God. As you can see you your self has been indoctrinated in the culture of twisting scripture to deceive people hence the reason you are quoting Matthew 25 out of context.

The christian faith has absolutely nothing against the consumption of beer or any other form of alcohol as long as it is taken in moderation.

leahsarahk:
I just read Titus 1:11. It does seem this is happening to day in our churches. I hope my husband will open his eyes because for now he doesnt see. He doesnt want to see either because he loves the church too much. His brother in law and his own sister are pastors in the Redeemed Church. They even live in separate towns and pastor seperately. Is this normal for husbands and wives to live apart and both be pastoring? I dont see how this could be good for a marriage. My husband told me that they have to obey the head pastor and if he says they have to be in different churches they must obey him. I just feel God loves marriage and compares marriage to Jesus all the time and christ is the bride groom to us. How can the marriage be successful as God planned our marriages, to be living apart? Anyways I am praying my husband will seek the holy spirit and look at the scripture. God can do all things. I think I need a miracle.

Another favourite doctrine of the redeemed church is "subjecting your self to church authority" whilst this doctrine is not essentially wrong the redeemed church uses it out of context. They quote only part of the scripture that favours them and leave out the rest. Below is the scripture that admonishes us to subject ourselves to church authority. Please note that the church leadership was also warned not to lord it over the followers and also not to do it for money:

1 Peter 5:1-8:
1 And now, a word to you who are elders in the churches. I, too, am an elder and a witness to the sufferings of Christ. And I, too, will share in his glory when he is revealed to the whole world. As a fellow elder, I appeal to you: 2[b] Care for the flock that God has entrusted to you. Watch over it willingly, not grudgingly—not for what you will get out of it, but because you are eager to serve God. 3 Don’t lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your own good example[/b]. 4 And when the Great Shepherd appears, you will receive a crown of never-ending glory and honor.

5[b] In the same way, you younger men must accept the authority of the elders. And all of you, serve each other in humility[/b], for

“God opposes the proud
but favors the humble.”

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=363154.msg5082718#msg5082718 date=1260407111]Who is Viaro? [/quote]PILGRIM.1

The bible never stated that Adam is the first man, go and read you bible again. Infact there are several hints of a pre-Adamic man in the book of genesis. Man was created in Genesis 1: 26-27, whilst Adam was created Genesis 2:7-19

leahsarahk:
I appreciate your help and scriptures to back it up. I do need help to explain this to my husband. He may not listen to me. For some reason he thinks I am wrong and that he being from the Redeemed Church is the only true christian in this relationship. He told me The Redeemed Church is the Church christ is returning for, but I said what about the other churches? I just feel this church is cultic and that my husband has been indoctrinated into thier beliefs. Also am I wrong to find my own church and not attend his?

Well i guess you should be very careful so the disagreement does not cause a quarrel btw you and your hubby as church docrtrine/pastors/ money as been known to destroy homes even in the bible [Titus 1:11:
11 It is necessary to stop the teachings of these false teachers because they are upsetting whole families by teaching what they should not and all for the shameful purpose of making money ]. I guess you should discuss it with him strictly from scriptures if possible put all your salient scriptural points in writing and give it to him to read and digest so as to avoid an argument. This is because most people that have been deceived into this unscriptural practise would not even allow you to talk, talkless of showing them why tithing is not required for christians. Also it is really a dangerous trend going on in churches these days, imagine a church creating an impression that they are the ones christ is coming back for that is really sacrilegious. I wish you the best of luck in you discussions with your husband, but please avoid a quarrel over the issue.

And the story continues

jagunlabi:
[b]Can that be referred to as religion?[/b]Does one have to belong to a religious group to care for orphans and widows in distress?
Being kind, loving and caring is a state of being, a state of consciousness that has little to nothing to do with belonging to any group bound together by a set of ideologies(whatever the nature of those ideologies might be)
So the question now is this, "what exactly is the use or role of dogmatic religions in the one on one relationship between man and his creator?" Does man need organized religions and their scriptures based doctrines to have a relaionship his maker?Personally, i do not think so.

Well that is how the bible defines religion, it is the church that has changed the meaning to the ways of man. That is one of the reasons i have serious problems with the way the church is organized, focused and run today.

@dwonder
nice write ups.

dwonder:
Does Your Religion Really Please God?

‘GOD is not a God of disorder but of peace.’ (1 Corinthians 14:33) Surely, then, the many religions with their conflicting doctrines could not all have God’s approval. Hence, there can be only one religion that meets his requirements for true worship. How can we find that one religion that really pleases God?

I beleive the answer to the above posers can be found in James 1:27:Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

noetic15:
would it not be ridiculous to interpret son to mean the same thing as we have now in english language, considering the context in which it was used?
and when are u going to answer my questions?

This is really very evasive, in which context was son used to translate son to father in the bible


On your question of Alpha and Omega, i have already answerd that. On the issue of how many Gods there are in heaven there is one God almighty and he is not three in one God but one single and infinite deity. As i said earlier the son is not the Almighty but a likeness of the almighty so stop confusing issues and read your bible very well.

viaro:
Jumping from line to line and showing nothing is typical of you, and I've long got used to seeing you as a piece of joke.

You should know me reasonably well by now after all the heated debates arguments we've had on this forum in the last one year.

_{By the way what happened to our love sef? is it just going to die like that}  

noetic15:
Son of God simply means God . . , . this is obvious from the reaction of the listeners when Jesus called Himself the Son of God. . .they wanted to stone Him.
When Jesus said "before Abraham was I am". . . they also knew the meaning. Jesus was the "I am that I am" that appeared in the burning bush.

Can u now start answering my own questions?

I think i am going to have to go back to school to take further lessons in English before i can comprehend your use of English. Judging form this it means i am the same person as my father i laugh in tongues.

viaro:
Go through this thread and see: if i were pilgrim.1, why would I have been trying so hard to debate this issue?

Because viaro pilgrim.1 is notorious for belabouring issues and not giving two scoobies wether anyone cares or not.

KunleOshob:
@No2atheism
If you know pilgrim well you would realize that she has no problems with standing the truth on it's head. Infact that is one of her hallmarks.

viaro:
What 'truth' have I stood on its head? You're just becoming more of laugh with every attempt, keep at it.

GOTCHA !!! finally let it slip, this a tacit admission that you are Pilgrim else you won't be responding on her behalf    

noetic15:
God: one who exhibits all authority (known and unknown), to whom ALL is subject, creator of all creations, all knowing and super-intelligent.
god: a local deity

Thanx for the response, can you now explain what the phrase "Son of God" is within the context of our discussion?

@No2atheism
If you know pilgrim well you would realize that she has no problems with standing the truth on it's head. Infact that is one of her hallmarks.

viaro:
I don't have to try half as hard as you, KunleOshob. If you have even followed this thread at all, you would understand that my looking into her profile and past posts were a consequence of folks like you alleging viaro = pilgrim.1, I made this point clear to Jesoul here. I haven't gone through all her posts, but from the ones I saw when she debated Catholicism with Catholics, she was asked that question several times and she didn't give any indication. If anyone feels I was mistaken, I'd be happy to be corrected: is that a problem to you? Please try harder, you're embarrassing your kangaroo court with your lame attempts.

No2Atheism:

@viaro

- The highlighted part is scary
- I think I actually learnt how to do that from Pilgrim.1

@No2atheism
Thanx for that brilliant observation, another trade mark of pilgrim.1 It's really really hard for this leopard to hide her spots