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@Kola
It is not likely i desist o, i believe a lot of christians are being deceived and led astray by this false doctrine. See forinstance leahsarahk's husband believing they are not true christians if they don't tithe even when it is glaring that neither Jesus nor the Apostles ever taught or preached tithing. The weightier matters of christianity such as love for others has been thrown to the back sit whilst man made doctrines have taken the front sit. The truth must the told and the church must be made to return to christ else most christians could actually loose their salvation.

viaro:
Thank you, No2Atheism. Of the points you made, could I address this one above, because that is what bothers me as it does you. Just why would anyone think I'm here to deceive them by pretending to be male if I were actually female? Why would I reveal that I am a Baptist, where it seems odd that pilgrim.1 was not forthcoming on that same question a few people asked her? (I don't know if she eventually revealed her denomination, and I would appreciate anyone showing same to correct me on that). Okay, viaro is mavenbox, and both mavenbox and viaro are/is Krayola - all this upon what: conjectures?

You must realy know pilgrim.1 very well to be able to deduce that in the over 5,000 post she's done on nairaland that she Never revealed her denomination. Please try again, that is a very cheap attempt.

davidylan:
Not true. Pilgrim1 was way more detailed than viaro and he doesnt use the multiple colors pilgrim1 was famous for.

David, she definitely is. It only makes sense that since she is trying to hide her identity she would try to differentiate her posts a bit from that of Pilgrim.1, hence she stopped using colours and one or two other minot practises. But the truth is that she has done a very poor job of diguising herself. The similarities are far too many and uncanny for it to be a different person.

@leahsarahk
Tithing is definitely not for christians and the meaning has been twisted and mis -applied becos of the greed of men. I suggest you read this thread from the beginning to the end you might learn a thing or two on the truth about tithes here. Also read deuteronomy 14:22-29 to see the true definition and practise of tithes as opposd to the twisted version being practised today. You can also read Hebrews 7:5-19 you would see were tithing was abolished in verse 11,12 & 18. It is simply not required for christians. At best it should be preached as voluntary and not mandatory. Any pastor that preaches otherwise in my opinion is simply a false teacher or is incompetent, either way he does not qaulify to be a preacher by the christian standard. I would really be willing to help you understand and back it up with scriptures which you can discuss with your husband to show that tithing is not meant for christians to practice, it was part of the Jewish law whichis not binding on christians. It actually contradicts the christian faith. I live ou with Galatians 5:4 to read the dangers of depending on keeping the laws of which tithing is part of.

Brilliant thread shame i am just seeing it after three pages but i have gone through every post and now ready to take a front sit. But so far i must comment pilgrim.1 is really propestorous. The evidence is overwhemling from, writing style to use of phrases, to interest topics, to arguement strategies,to being higly opinionated then pretending she wants to learn, to being arrogant / i too know, penchant to insult others, to use of big grammer e.t.c even though she makes feeble attempts to disguise herself i.e by not making constant references to previous posts of pilgrim.1[so as not give herself away]. This referencing is the only difference i have observed between viaro and pilgrim.1 and the reason is obvious if she constantly references pilgrim.1 posts the game would be given away. But the trend is now emerging even as viaro, having posted enough posts as viaro she as started making her regular references to her previous posts, the trend continues.

PS: _{I am not suprised she needed to change her I.D after developing such a lousy reputation on this forum it is obvious she needed to change her I.D.}

@lady234
when i say obsolete, i am refering to the over 600 ceremonial laws which was beqeauthed to the children of israel through moses and not the whole old testament as you tried to imply. These laws were meant strictly for the jewish people and not christians. If it were meant for christians, i am sure the apostles [especially Paul who was a pharisee] would have included them in their teachings to the early christians most of whom were not even Jews and were not expectd to have known these laws before their conversion. However they taught clearly that christians were not subjct to te law and that it was infact an act of faithlessness to attempt to depnd on the law to be put right with God. The verse below explains it better:

Galatians 5:4:
4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.

2ks:
Kunle, i accepted your story about how the study of DNA proved the existence of God but i would have prefer you using "organized creatures or beings" rather than just one Supernatural being.call them aliens if you want,huh?

Well it is not my original writing hence the words used are not mine, i just coppied and pasted excerpts from the source website. However i found the revelations made there very informative.

@Noetic
Can you define the term God/god?

@mbeki
Oh the term shiloh as used by David Oyedepo is just a clever marketing strategy to promote his carnival. the use of a biblical terminolgy is a sure way to to getting people to believe that God would be present at the carnival.

This would be a straight fight between Ogaga and Abuzola

kanmy14:
kunleoshob, it is not a jamboree but an avenue 2 know the purpose of God 4 your life and how 2 get much closer 2 him. God still luv you, He does not want u 2 perish. u are one of His masterpieces, so He wants 2 showcase u 4 His glory. come and be part of this program 2 know more of God's intension 4 your life. He love u still.
God bless u

My brother i am quite certain and sure beyond reasonably doubt that i know God's purpose for my life better than any heresy David Oyedepo preaches. His type of christianity[Prosperity gospel] is clearly not from God and is very contrary to the teachings of the bible. He only twists the bible to support his allusions. I am sorry i might sound rather brash or arrogant but i am just trying to be as blunt as possible.

@lady234
You are obviously new on this forum else you would know i am one of the most vocal anti-pentecostal/ anti-tithe christians on this forum. I really don't know much about your messanic movement, but i know that any movement that is making a big issue out of that sabbath date obviously has themselves confused and they are making doctrines out of shaff instead of focusing on the real meat of the gospel. As i have always told everyone that cares to listen all doctrines that are necessary for christian living as been taught in the new testament, the old testament is clearly a different religion / belief system. You can't just pick andd choose from the old testament and start condenmimg others who didn't pick the exact same obsolete doctrines you picked. How many of the over 600 mosaic laws to do keep in you messanic movement? Even the messiah himself said the sabbath was made for man and NOT man for the sabbath. So why this fuss over a mere date?

Nice thread very interesting, i am just seeing it though. But it's good to know how others perceive you.

mavenbox:
Viaro, Pilgrim, Krayola, same naa ni. LOL

@mavenbox
i can tell you with all certainity that krayola is definitely not viaro, their world view and writing styles are just too different. But all the old timers in this section would definitely testify as to who Viaro truly is.

@lady234
You still failed to show any instruction from God that worship should be done on that day. Below is God's insruction for observing the sabbath which i am sure you a aware of even though you choose to ignore it due to your brain washing at the messanic movement.
Exodus 20:8-11:

  8 “Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 You have six days each week for your ordinary work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of rest dedicated to the Lord your God. On that day no one in your household may do any work. This includes you, your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, your livestock, and any foreigners living among you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

I don't see anything regarding worship in the above except you are reading a messianic movement version of the bible.

I am sure by the time this Jamboree is over, David would be smiling to the bank with enough money to buy himself a third private jet.

viaro:
@mazaje, bros. . howdy?
Look, no need for long talk. I respect Ken Ham and co; but I don't give two scoobies what they're yapping about. I look forward to any such debate(s) between their camp and viaro, if you may.

viaro:
Let us even grant, for the sake of argument, the denial of God's existence - no Ultimate Designer, no Creator, no Uncaused Causer. .and thus, no 'free will'. . nothing, nada, zilch. Right? Now, the denier has some work to do: he would have to tell us how the Universe sprang into existence on its own.

Mmmmmh a leopard truly cannot change it's spots, highlighted above are classic lines from pilgrim.1

viaro:
Hawhahaha!! You, Kunle, will not kill us with laughter! Where was Jesus when He called Himself the Alpha and Omega?

And who was he addressing when he declared to be the Alpha and Omega? People on earth or those in heaven/ other parts of the universe.

Lady 234:
@ KunleOshob
You confuse yourself. How can you say that the decision to worship on shabbat was made by man. I wonder which Bible you read.

Shalom(Peace) Lady 234

Please quote a single scripture were worship was commanded on the sabbath day. As far as i know God commanded it as a day of rest NOT worship.

@Noetic
I don't think i am interested in pursuing this argument, it has been debated too often on NL and i don't think there is anymore to add. We both know that the bible makes it crystal clear that Jesus is the SON of God and NOT the GOD almighty. I am quite certain if it were otherwise, it would have been clearly stated and not left for zealots to be reading btw the lines and forcing their own hallucinations into it.

Alpha and Omega on earth and NOT in heaven. Jesus sits at the right hand of God in heaven remember I really don't understand why "christians" keep trying make scriptures say Jesus is God when Jesus himself in several scriptures made it clear that "the father who sent him is greater than he is"

@Viaro
I think pastor's comment i more applicable to your shallow understanding of the God/god concept.

@pastorAIO
nice submission

noetic15:
kunle has conviniently ignored my posers. . . . . . a simple "I Dont know" from him would have been polite

I am not ignoring your post it is just that it lacks substance, the fact that Jesus called himself the Alpha and Omega does not make him God neither does it make him equal to God. you have to understand the context within which Jesus was making that statement. The earth is Jesus' inheritance from God so as far as the earth is concerned he is but in the kingdom of God he is his right hand man. You guys get easily confused about the true personallity of Jesus and a such describe him as God almighty were as the bible describes him as the one who radiate's God's glory and has God's character. The bible NEVER for once called him God almighty.

Hebrews 1:3:
3 The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.

viaro:
Sir, note:
_____________________________________________________
A || B

'a God' || 'God'

Is A = B?

If A is not B, then A and B are more than one 'God'.
Which then means you're preaching two 'Gods' ('a God' and [i]'God'[/i
______________________________________________________
What are you on about?

As usual pilgrim.1 you try to confuse issues, i am sure i was clear enough in my submissions so stop trying to create loopholes were there are none.

kola oloye:
May God have mercy on you for judging another person.
Have you forgotten that it is written "thou shall not judge"?

I am not the one judging him, the bible says that he has already judged himself.

2 Peter 2:3:

3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

@Viaro
As i said earlier only the God almighty is worthy of worship and Jesus is the intercessor between God and man. My using a capital G to depict Jesus as a God is simply to express that he is superior to all the lesser gods and not to equate him to the almighty God.

[quote author=slim-fit link=topic=362149.msg5058540#msg5058540 date=1260100264]@kunle


I will like to talk to you one on one maybe via yahoo messenger on your above post, Do you think you can drop me your email,


Peace,[/quote]unclekuns@yahoo.com

viaro:
This is not helpful. If you are making Jesus out to be "a God", would that not be supposing more than one God in your own theology? This is even more skewed than the Trinity that you are averse to.

The bible never claimed that there is only one god. What we are told is that only God almighty[the creator] is worthy of worship. To me as a christian Jesus is not the God i worship, he is an intermediary btw us and God. The bible is very clear on this. Jesus role is that of an intermediary and his role is to reconcile man to God. It was mere men like us in their overzealouness that decided to equate Jesus to his father, this i believe is heretic.

Kay 17:
aren't you aware of the theory of evolution. the process of survival and reproduction and transfer of a desirable trait to the next generation. dna holds the genes. don't you see the connection.

Lets even assume that the above hubris you wrote here is true doesn't common sense tell you that the DNA/genes were programmed to to transfer the desirable traits to the next generation And obviously a programme requires a programmer who in this case is the creator God.

Basically DNA is a set of very advanced programmed instructions in our cells that defines who we are. This set of instructions is similar in structure to most computer programmes though much less sofisticated. We all know it takes a great deal of sofisticated technology to write computer programmes and this relatively simple programmes requires a programmer how much less the DNA programm which is far molre advanced and complicated.

"At that moment, when the DNA/RNA system became understood, the debate between Evolutionists and Creationists should have come to a screeching halt",  I.L. Cohen, Researcher and Mathematician; Member NY Academy of Sciences; Officer of the Archaeological Inst. of America; "Darwin Was Wrong - A Study in Probabilities"; New Research Publications, 1984, p. 4

DNA is a Language, Complete with an Alphabet!

"This development is highly significant for the modern origin of life discussion. Molecular biology has now uncovered an analogy between DNA and written human languages. It is more than an analogy, in fact: in terms of structure, the two are "mathematically identical." (In other words, its not analogous to a language--it is a language).

In the case of written messages, we have uniform experience that they have an intelligent cause. What is uniform experience? It simply means that people everywhere observe a certain type of event always in association with a certain type of cause.

When we find evidence that a similar event happened in the past, it is reasonable to infer it had a similar cause. As I shall argue, based on uniform experience there is good reason to accept an intelligent cause for the origin of life as well."


CONCLUSION

There is a language, a language similar to human languages, which is embedded in every living thing, and it gives very intricate instructions to the cell concerning, reproduction, cell growth, formation, the exact timing of these processes and everything else concerning the cell.


It is proof that someone with infinitely higher technical ability than ourselves, is responsible for implanting a DNA message into the cell of everything alive in the universe which says "Hello, I am your Creator".

Source: http://www.s8int.com/dna1.html

@Tudor
Ain't you supposed to be in church??