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Christianity Etc › Re: Religion: Most Controversial Topic Of The Year 2009 by KunleOshob(m): 9:32am On Dec 06, 2009
noetic15:
so how many Gods exist and what is their relationship?
The bible acknowledges the existence of other gods and that is why God said we should not worship any other gods besides him. In effect there are lesser gods but we have only one God almighty who is the creator God who is the only one worthy of worship. In my opinion the lesser gods could be the fallen angels who appeared to ancient men after the fall. Ancient men desrcibed anybody that had supernatural attributes has god. That perhaps accounts for the so many gods we have in different cultures all over the world. Another plausible theory is the extra-terrestrial gods theory. This theory suggests that Aliens visited the earth in the distant past and lived amongst men as gods[genesis 6:1-6 supports this theory]. This aliens were resident in different commuities all over the world and were seen as gods by people. The gods of various cultures were probably the the extra terrestrials they came in contact with, but then again this is an unconfirmed theory.
Christianity Etc › Re: Bishop Mike Okonkwo Acquires Private Jet by KunleOshob(m): 9:12am On Dec 06, 2009
cicero:
This is good news!
I remember doing a klm flight with him sometime ago and the sight of this[b] great man [/b] and his wife shuffling through with his carry on wasn't cool at all.
Thank God for him
What is so great about a common criminal who is twisting the word of God to make merchandise of his deluded congregation huh

Titus 1:11:
11 They must be silenced, because they are turning whole families away from the truth by their false teaching. And they do it only for money.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Christian Trial & Debate by KunleOshob(m): 9:06am On Dec 06, 2009
I also am not very sure i should have been included in this debate because to the best of my knowledge i have only contributed to topics on salvation and not that of purgatory or holy comminium. However i have very strong views on the issue of salvation and what exactly is required of us to be admitted into the eternal kingdom. Jesus christ made it very clear that the road is very narrow and very few would find it.

Matthew 7:14:
14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.

It is my honest belief that 95% of professing christians[myself inclusive] are just not getting it right and have not yet found this narrow path. To make matters worse most churches / preachers who claim to know this narrow path simply have no clue and the church itself has been compromized cause of the greed and selfishness inherent in man. Right now most churches are just a monument to the desercration and division which has now become part of the "body of christ" the church as we have it today is very contrary to the instructions handed down to us by the apostles yet every now and then one Idiot would come up and tell us that "God" told him to start a church and my people would believe and follow him.

The bible as a book[compilation of 66-73 books] itself has not helped matters as it is being used by men to confuse and others. Focus is being drawn away from to true gospel of christ and issues irrelevant to the kingdom[such as tithes] have gained upper ground and prominence in our churches. It is my belief that any true seeker / christian faithful should purge his/her mind of all preconceived doctrines and go back and study the teachings of our lord and saviour Jesus christ which can be found in the four gospels, this teachings of christ should be the standard and any other thing we accept[even in the bible] as christians should conform with his teachings. The core teachings of christ are clear but unfortunately even the church does not conform to this core teachings and that is why i believe this salvation context which we are supposed to debate here would not lead any where. The church and by extension most "believers" does not understand the salvation context even though most people are being deceived that they are "saved". A meaningful debate of the salvation context would require a good understanding of the whole concept in it self unfortunately this understanding has eluded most people.
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion: Most Controversial Topic Of The Year 2009 by KunleOshob(m): 6:18pm On Dec 05, 2009
chukwudi44:
@kunle

why are u so rigid on your position on the trinity despite all the evidences adduced from the scriptures.Jesus was clearly stated to be God in so many occassions in the bible,also the concept of the trinity was explicitly taught by the apostolic fathers who were privileged to hear from the very mopuths of the apostles.
My brother trinity is not biblical and all the so called "evidences" that support it in the bible are very subjective and in my opinion are actually forced or manipulated to support it. The weight of evidence in the bible suggests that Jesus and God the father are two seperate entities and God the Father is superior to Jesus.
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion: Most Controversial Topic Of The Year 2009 by KunleOshob(m): 5:25pm On Dec 05, 2009
noetic15:
5. Divinity of Jesus: apart from the plagiarism of islam and the frauds of allah. . .the divinity of Jesus is the most explosive topic especially between muslims and xtians.
RSVP: olabowale, David, KunleOshob, N_nwankwo, noetic, toneyb, muhsin, abuzola, uplawal, olaadegbu
Contrary to how you and some nairalanders try to mis-represent me, i have no doubt what so ever about the divinity of Jesus however i am not from the trinity school of thought that preaches three in one God or that Jesus is co-equal to his father as this heresy is very contrary to the position of the bible on who christ is. For the purpose of clarity i would restate my positon. Jesus being the son of God is also a God, however God almighty who is his father is greater than him and he is also answerable to God.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Christian Trial & Debate by KunleOshob(m): 4:59pm On Dec 04, 2009
Before we can make any meaningful dialogueon this subject, we first have to be clear on three things namely:

(i) What does it mean to be a christian?
(ii) What is the true gospel of Jesus christ?
(iii)  Is it belief in the teachings of Jesus that is necessary for salvation or belief in him as a person?


(iv) What does it really mean to belief in a person?  undecided
(v) In practical terms what does salvation really mean?
Christianity Etc › Re: Vote Your Best Pastor Of The Year 2009 Here. by KunleOshob(m): 8:35am On Dec 04, 2009
I never used to like pastor Bakare but after his expose on the penterascal movement, he has earned my respect. I give it up for him.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor AIO, Come Teach Us The Truth. by KunleOshob(m): 5:59pm On Dec 03, 2009
Hmm, i see we have another awakened personalty here on nairaland. Alanitiogo, is i may ask what are your religious persuasions/ beliefs?
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Pentecostals Christians by KunleOshob(m): 8:37am On Dec 03, 2009
Lady 234:
I doubt. In Exodus 20:8-11 Elohim blessed the 7th day and made it Holy. Yet Pentecostals go to church every Sunday perpetually breaking the 4th commandment. How do you want to go to Heaven when you stubbornly break Adonai's commandment every single Sunday you go to Church. Adonai made the 7th day(Saturday) shabbat not Sunday, better retrace your roots. Saturday is the Jewish Shabbat, I don't even know where you guys got the word sabbath from.

Come Discover the Jewish Jesus, Join the Messianic movement and stop celebrating Shabbat on Sunday.
Shalom Shalom. Lady 234
The seventh day was never set apart by God as a day of worship, rather the command was that it be made a day of rest the decision to worship on that day was the choice of man and NOT God's commandment. Read your bibles very well.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Bakare On Tithes by KunleOshob(m): 9:01pm On Dec 02, 2009
zukkie4eva:
But the bible says - "bring in all your tithes into my house that there might be food . . .(Malachi 3:10). This is GOD talking.
So how did food become money huh that is apart from the fact that Malachi 3:10 was addressed to jewish people under the levitical priesthood and NOT christians under the priesthood of christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: Experience 2009 Is Here ,come And Expereince God (4th Dec 7pm) by KunleOshob(m): 2:22pm On Dec 02, 2009
snapshot:
oh my goodness! even for a million dollars i cannot miss the EXPERIENCE,it is the place to be on the 4th of DEC.
Wait till you are offered the million dollars before ranting. Also not that thse that had the misfortune of attending lat year's jamboree were thoroughly soaked with rain water. Probably God's way of showing he did not approve of the charade.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Bakare On Tithes by KunleOshob(m): 12:57pm On Dec 02, 2009
otitokoro1:
There is something about Holy SPirit. It possess people and when he left them thay might not know. King Saul was once with god until,

Samson hardly knew that God spirit is no longer present in him when he said I will go ,
Are talking about your G.O in the above statement? It seems as if God is no longer present with him as he as chosen to follow the path of men. Also he needs to pray for forgiveness as he is guilty of deceiving several christians into paying a compulsary tithe that God never asked of christians in the first instance. He is also popularly called daddy contrary to the teachings of christ in matthew 23:9 which says :
Matthew 23:9:
9And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven.
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Christianity Etc › Re: POLL: Who Is Your Favourite Nairaland Religion Personality For The Year 2009? by KunleOshob(m): 9:03am On Dec 02, 2009
I give it up for Deepsight & pastor AIO, their posts would always provoke you to learn more.
Christianity Etc › Re: Re:The Only Saviour by KunleOshob(m): 11:51am On Dec 01, 2009
@Post
A lot of our pastors and so called "men of god" are the pharisees and sadducees today. They have actively brought back dogma into christianity. these was what Jesus consistently quarelled with the pharisees about.
Christianity Etc › Re: "god Asked Me To Form A Church" How Biblical ? by KunleOshob(m): 11:47am On Dec 01, 2009
It is not only unbiblical but contrary to the direct instructions given in the bible. That is apart of the heresy of lying against God that it is God that aksed them to form the church. Most people just form churches to fufill their selfish and myopic desires. Here is what the bible has to say about divisions[denominations] in the church:

1 Corinthians 1:10-13:
10But I urge and entreat you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you be in perfect harmony and full agreement in what you say, and that there be no dissensions or factions or divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in your common understanding and in your opinions and judgments.
11For it has been made clear to me, my brethren, by those of Chloe's household, that there are contentions and wrangling and factions among you. 12What I mean is this, that each one of you [either] says, I belong to Paul, or I belong to Apollos, or I belong to Cephas (Peter), or I belong to Christ. 13Is Christ (the Messiah) divided into parts? Was Paul crucified on behalf of you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?
Christianity Etc › Re: Shiloh 2009 Is Here Again, (8-12 December) You Are Invited! by KunleOshob(m): 11:32am On Dec 01, 2009
This scripture also provides danming evidence that Oyedepo does not measure up to the least biblical standard for a man who claims to a church leader.
1 Timothy 3:2-3:
2Now a bishop (superintendent, overseer) must give no grounds for accusation but must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, circumspect and temperate and self-controlled; [he must be] sensible and well behaved and dignified and lead an orderly (disciplined) life; [he must be] hospitable [showing love for and being a friend to the believers, especially strangers or foreigners, and be] a capable and qualified teacher,
3Not given to wine, not combative but gentle and considerate, not quarrelsome but forbearing and peaceable, and not a lover of money [insatiable for wealth and ready to obtain it by questionable means].
Amplified Bible (AMP)

Does Oyedepo measure up to these minimal standards set for bishops in the bible? The honest answer is a big fat NO.
Christianity Etc › Re: Shiloh 2009 Is Here Again, (8-12 December) You Are Invited! by KunleOshob(m): 11:26am On Dec 01, 2009
@Siskill
Bishop Oyedepo is a proponent of the so called "prosperity gospel" which is contrary to the gospel of our lord Jesus christ. The gospel is one and that is the gospel of the Kingdom" it has absolutely nothing to do with earthly riches. When a pastor starts twisting the word of God Just to tell people what they want to hear and increase his church membership patronage you know for sure he is a false prophet. Besides genuine men of God are not supposed to love money the way Oyedepo does, the passage below would help pit things in proper perspective.

1 Timothy 6:5-11:
5 These people always cause trouble. Their minds are corrupt, and they have turned their backs on the truth. To them, a show of godliness is just a way to become wealthy. 6 Yet true godliness with contentment is itself great wealth. 7 After all, we brought nothing with us when we came into the world, and we can’t take anything with us when we leave it. 8 So if we have enough food and clothing, let us be content. 9 But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows. 11 But you, Timothy, are a man of God; so run from all these evil things. Pursue righteousness and a godly life, along with faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness.

Oyedepo claiming to be a man of God has certainly Not avoided this evil love for money which genuine men of God were specifically warned against also read 2 peter 2:1-3 and titus 1:11 which i quoted in a previous post on this thread it would help you understand bette why Oyedepo is definitely a false prophet.
Christianity Etc › Re: Shiloh 2009 Is Here Again, (8-12 December) You Are Invited! by KunleOshob(m): 9:02am On Dec 01, 2009
The bible already tells us they would deceive many so i am not suprised at beautymc's delusion but don't say you haven't been warned. Oyedepo has all the hallmarks of a false prophet and the so called blessings[material wealth] you see in his life is the proceeds of his scamming mumus who flock to his church in the false hope that God would make them rich through the ministry of bishop oledepo. You might learn a thing or two from the verse below:

Matthew 24:4-5:

4 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, 5 for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am annointed.’ They will deceive many.

Matthew 24:24:
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones.

Matthew 24:9-13:

9 “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers.[a] 10 And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. 11 And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. 12 Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Bakare On Tithes by KunleOshob(m): 8:49am On Dec 01, 2009
The fact still remains that any pastor who preaches compulsary tithing is either a fraud or completely deliberately ignorant, either way he is not qualified to be a pastor.
Christianity Etc › Re: Sex Chapter Is In The Bible by KunleOshob(m): 8:42am On Dec 01, 2009
The thread is wrongly captioned, it should have been "forbiden sexual practise chapter" and not sex chapter. tongue
Christianity Etc › Re: Tudor's Treatise by KunleOshob(m): 8:39am On Nov 30, 2009
I am almost certain that Oyedepo's debauchery of Christianity and his immoral life style contributed to driving Tudor towards Atheism. Personal i don't think think Tudor does not believe in the exisitence of God, he is just rebelling against relgion hence his declaration of being an atheist.
Christianity Etc › Re: Shiloh 2009 Is Here Again, (8-12 December) You Are Invited! by KunleOshob(m): 8:13pm On Nov 29, 2009
@beautymc
Open your eyes Oyedepo is a very good example of the false prophets we were warned against in the bible the bible passage below refers directly to the likes of Oyedepo.

2 Peter 2:1-3:
The Danger of False Teachers   
1 But there were[b] also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you[/b]. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed

Titus 1:11:
11 They [false teachers]must be silenced, because they are turning whole families away from the truth by their false teaching. And they do it[b] only for money[/b]
Christianity Etc › Re: I Denounce Atheism, I Am Now A Born Again Christian. by KunleOshob(m): 7:55pm On Nov 29, 2009
@banom
Congrats on your realization of the truth. I am really happy for you. The fact is that most atheists revert to agteism becos of the failure and distortions inherent in religion. Religions are created by men and used to manipulate others. I Unfortunately people find it difficult to differentiate between the existence of God and the religious doctrines which are mostly man made. Even the bible warned us of man made doctrines being preached as the word of God. Banom i beseech you to read the gospels of matthew, mark, luke and john with special emphasis on the direct teachings of Christ and his true gospel, i can assure you that if you do you would begin to appreciate him in a new way devoid of religion. God bless you as you walk your new path and may the truth be revealed to you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Paying Tithes Or Giving To The Needy? by KunleOshob(m): 1:17pm On Nov 29, 2009
@beautymc
God NEVER commanded christians to pay tithes. Mordern day tithing was arrived at through manipulation of scripture and is totally different from the type of tithing practise directed to the jews in the old testament. The commandment Jesus actually gave us was to give to the needy this is far more important than tithing as it is practised today cause tithing today is a man made rule unlike giving to the needy which is a direct commandment of christ himself
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The Roman Catholic Church Keeping Historical Secrets . . . by KunleOshob(m): 10:33am On Nov 28, 2009
viaro:
What does the Deity of Christ mean to you?
In my bible based understanding Jesus is the son of God almighty which automatically makes him a God as well.[The bible acknowledges the existence of several lesser gods] But he is a distinct individual from his father and he made it clear in scriptures that the father is greater than him. So someone claiming on NL that he is of the same rank as the father is contrary to the teachings of christ himself.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The Roman Catholic Church Keeping Historical Secrets . . . by KunleOshob(m): 10:20am On Nov 28, 2009
chinedumo:
Thanks once again. grin science for resurrection. I was expecting that. First some other people have died a worse death. You can't worship them though cos 1. they are not sinless (for at least 33 yrs in the eyes of God) 2 they died not die for the sins of others cos they cannot. only a sinless can. Jesus redeemed the whole world from perdition. At his anguish he forgave all. 3. This may not be easy for you to understand but you will if you are willing. The greatest problem of the world was taken care of Sin and death. 4. he is the son of God[b] of the same rank with God [/b] but humbled himself and took the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of man. For the love of mankind unto liberation, salvation and restoration. He gave all (his life) though he had power to save himself. I will get back to you soon.
The above highlighted statement is very faulty and it doesn't have any biblical basis. Jesus always deferred to God as his superior in the bible and NEVER at any time claim or even suggested equality with God. I often wonder why "chritians" like strecthing the truth about the the status of christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The Roman Catholic Church Keeping Historical Secrets . . . by KunleOshob(m): 10:11am On Nov 28, 2009
@Post
Some of the books hidden in the vatican contain some of the deep spiritual secrets that Jesus taught his disciples. A lot of those books would empower the average person if they are exposed to it. The problem is that some people would use this knowledge for good whilst a lot of people would use it for evil. But the real motive of the catholic church is to monopolize this knowledge and keep their congregation spiritually dependent on them.
Christianity Etc › Re: Church Again?! by KunleOshob(m): 2:52pm On Nov 27, 2009
Nellychari:
@Mr Cartha,

I wish Int'l media would one recognize your efforts in disseminating all these reports. Else, your efforts are in vain. Remember the law of gamma.
There is nothing wrong in him disseminating the reports, as a christian i strongly believe all hypocrites and frauds in the body of christ should be exposed. These men are destroying lives, it is up to us as christians to discern and seperate wheat from chaff.
Christianity Etc › Re: Church Again?! by KunleOshob(m): 1:30pm On Nov 27, 2009
Horus:
Why the christians on Nairaland are not puting any comments about Child Sex Abuse comited by their leaders.?
I don't know what you mean by "their leaders" to be a christian means to be christ like in behaviour not just something you profess with the mouth. Those priests are simply NOT christians as their behaviour is totally alien to the nature of christ. Talkless of calling them christian leaders. According to the good book "not every one that calls him lord[professes to be a christian] shall enter the kingdom of God" all workers of iniquity shall be denied entrance whether you label yourself as a christian, priest, bishop, pastor or whatever.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Thin Line Between Adversity And Prosperity by KunleOshob(m): 10:24am On Nov 27, 2009
This article would be also very helpful

The Good News of the Kingdom of God
"Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, 'The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel'" (Mark 1:14, 15).
The theme of Jesus Christ's message was the good news of the Kingdom of God. This is made clear by Matthew, Mark and Luke. Luke records Christ in His own words describing His purpose: "I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent" (Luke 4:43).

Mark relates that, at the beginning of His ministry, "Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God" (Mark 1:14).

Matthew tells us, ". . . Jesus began to preach and to say, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand' . . . And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom . . ." (Matthew 4:17, 23).

Luke 8:1 confirms that Jesus Christ did exactly what He said He would: "Now it came to pass, afterward, that He went through every city and village, preaching and bringing the glad tidings [the gospel, or good news] of the kingdom of God . . ."This message of the Kingdom was the heart and core of Christ's teaching from the very beginning. Together, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John use the term "kingdom of God" in 53 verses. The gospel Jesus Christ brought is clearly about this Kingdom.

Others told to spread this message
What about His disciples? What did He command them to preach? "Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases. He sent them to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick" (Luke 9:1, 2).

Later He instructed others to proclaim this same message. "After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also, and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go." He instructed the seventy to proclaim, "The kingdom of God has come near to you" (Luke 10:1, 9).

The Kingdom of God was clearly the theme of Christ's ministry. In the Sermon on the Mount, one of the most familiar examples of His message, He pointed His followers toward the Kingdom. He began His message with, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven , Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:3, 10).

Christ told His followers of the importance of obedience to God's law in entering this Kingdom: "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:19, 20).

He also warned that we must be submissive to God's will to enter the Kingdom: "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven" (Matthew 7:21).

He taught His followers to pray "Your kingdom come" (Matthew 6:10). And notice this! He commanded them to "seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness" (Matthew 6:33). Seeking to enter the Kingdom of God should be our top priority.

Time and time again He used parables to illustrate aspects of the Kingdom (Matthew 13, 20, 22, 25; Luke 13, 19). In some of His last words before His crucifixion, He remarked to His disciples that He would not partake of the Passover symbols until He would once again do so "with you in My Father's kingdom" (Matthew 26:29).

Over a 40-day period immediately after His death and resurrection, Jesus Christ was seen by His followers. Notice that even then He continued "speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God" (Acts 1:3).

What message did Christ's followers preach?
Jesus Christ was not the only one to proclaim this message. Before Jesus began His ministry, John the Baptist commanded people to repent, announcing that "the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" (Matthew 3:2).

As we have seen, Jesus' ministry centered on the Kingdom. In keeping with Christ's direction, His disciples continued to proclaim the Kingdom after His crucifixion.

The importance of Jesus Christ's life, sacrifice and resurrection was a vital part of the message taught by the apostles. The apostle Peter made this clear in his first public preaching on the very day the Church began with the miraculous outpouring of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:22-24, 36).

Peter also spoke of the broader concepts of the Kingdom of God in his ministry. In 2 Peter 1:10, 11 we read, "Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

Notice, too, that people requested baptism as a result of Philip's message about the Kingdom. "But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized" (Acts 8:12).

Paul proclaimed the Kingdom
What about the apostle Paul? The book of Acts records that early in his ministry, as he raised up congregations in various cities, he "strengthen[ed] the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, 'We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God'" (Acts 14:22). Later, in Ephesus, "he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God" (Acts 19:cool.

Paul described his own preaching in Corinth as relating to "the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 4:20). He referred to himself and his companions as "fellow workers for the kingdom of God" (Colossians 4:11).When under house arrest in Rome near the end of his ministry, Paul received a number of visitors, "to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening" (Acts 28:23). Notice that Paul used the Old Testament scriptures—"the Law of Moses and the Prophets"-to preach about both the Kingdom of God and Jesus Christ.

Paul is misrepresented as preaching a gospel about only the life, death and resurrection of Christ. The reality, however, is that Paul preached a message about both Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God. The last verse of the book of Acts describes Paul "preaching the kingdom of God and teaching the things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ . . ." (Acts 28:31).

Those who followed in Jesus Christ's footsteps taught the same message He taught. The book of Acts and the apostles' letters to the early church make it clear that they taught about the Kingdom of God.

The gospel before Jesus Christ
Some have assumed the gospel was first introduced by Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry. The gospel, however, is much older than that. It is called "the everlasting gospel" (Revelation 14:6).

The last four verses of Hebrews 3 speak of ancient Israel's unbelief and the sad fate of those who died in the wilderness, not entering the promised land. Hebrews 4:2 continues the story: "For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them . . ." Israel had heard the gospel but failed to respond because of lack of faith.

Hundreds of years before that, the patriarch Abraham also heard the gospel (Galatians 3:cool. Both of these passages confirm that the gospel was being proclaimed before Christ's ministry on earth.

In describing how, at His return, He will reward those who have been faithful to His way of life, Jesus Christ revealed that the Kingdom of God has been prepared for us far longer than we can imagine. "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matthew 25:34).

This good news about the glorious future of humanity has been God's plan from the very beginning! Christ's part in that plan, including His sacrifice to pay the penalty for the sins of humanity, was also established from the very beginning (Revelation 13:8; 1 Peter 1:18-20). This was the good news given to Abraham—that through his descendant, Jesus Christ, all nations would be blessed (Galatians 3:8, 16).

Few understood before Jesus Christ
The Kingdom of God was proclaimed by God's servants before Jesus Christ's ministry on earth. King David, in some of his psalms, looked prophetically to God's Kingdom. As he wrote in Psalm 145:10-13: "All Your works shall praise You, O LORD, and Your saints shall bless You. They shall speak of the glory of Your kingdom, and talk of Your power, to make known to the sons of men His mighty acts, and the glorious majesty of His kingdom. Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and Your dominion endures throughout all generations."

The prophet Daniel also knew of the coming Kingdom of God. He, too, was inspired to write of the future reality of the Kingdom: "Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him" (Daniel 7:27, New International Version).

However, even though the gospel originated at the foundation of the world and was proclaimed through the ages, few understood it until Jesus Christ and the apostles declared it to the world.

But why? Ancient Israel, as noted earlier, lacked the belief and faith to understand and act on it (Hebrews 3:19; 4:2). In addition, the Old Testament scriptures did not connect all the pieces of the puzzle. They provided tantalizing glimpses of the Kingdom, but greater understanding had to wait until the coming of Jesus Christ, the revealer of "the mysteries of the kingdom" (Matthew 13:11).

When Jesus Christ came preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of God, He built on the foundation already planned by God the Father from the beginning and revealed by the earlier prophets. As the messenger of the Kingdom, He revealed vital truths that were not understood from the Old Testament prophecies.

One of the great misunderstandings about the Kingdom, not made clear until revealed by Jesus Christ, was that thousands of years would separate His first coming as the sacrificial Lamb of God (John 1:29) from His return as the conquering King of the Kingdom (Revelation 19:11-16). His first coming fulfilled a vital part of the gospel of the Kingdom—His sacrifice to make possible our forgiveness, justification and ultimate entry into the Kingdom. His second coming will bring the establishment of that incredible Kingdom.The Bible proclaims a consistent message from beginning to end concerning the Kingdom of God, a message delivered throughout the ages by God's servants. But, paradoxically, the part of the revelation about the Kingdom of God that was most fully and clearly described in prophecy after prophecy in the Old Testament—a literal kingdom ruled over by a prophesied Messiah—seems to be the least understood aspect of the gospel today.

Many believe that the fantastic truth that followers of Jesus Christ will enjoy eternal life in an eternal Kingdom renders any need of a literal earthly reign over physical human beings totally unnecessary.

But what does the Bible say? Let's put aside all preconceived ideas and believe the plain teachings of God's Word.

Source: http://www.gnmagazine.org/booklets/GK/good-news-kingdom-of-god.asp
Christianity Etc › Re: The Thin Line Between Adversity And Prosperity by KunleOshob(m): 10:22am On Nov 27, 2009
@Nellychari
The article below would give you a better idea what the true gospel of christ was about.

What is the True Gospel?
What was Jesus Christ's message? He preached "the gospel of the kingdom of God" (Matthew 4:23; 9:35; Mark 1:14-15). The Old English word gospel, or "good spell," means "good news." The good news was the centerpiece of His message. He defined His mission with these words: "I must preach the kingdom of God . . . because for this purpose I have been sent" (Luke 4:43).

What did He command His disciples to teach? "He sent them to preach the kingdom of God . . ." (Luke 9:2, 6).

What is that message about, and why is it such good news?

When Jesus Christ taught about the Kingdom of God (Luke 8:1; 9:11; 12:31; 13:18), He was simply continuing the messages of the Hebrew prophets whose words are recorded in the Old Testament. Centuries earlier God had inspired such faithful men as Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and Zechariah to look beyond the difficulties and destruction of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah to a magnificent future when God would establish His world-ruling kingdom on earth under the reign of the Messiah.

Notice some of their prophecies describing this wonderful occurrence:

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them" (Isaiah 11:6). "They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea. And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse [the promised Messiah, Jesus], who shall stand as a banner to the people; for the Gentiles shall seek Him, and His resting place shall be glorious" (verses 9-10).

"I was watching in the night visions, and behold, One like the Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13-14).

"Then the Lord will go forth . . . And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley . . . Thus the Lord my God will come, and all the saints with You . . . And the Lord shall be King over all the earth" (Zechariah 14:3-5, 9).

Jesus Christ and His apostles spoke of this same world-ruling government, which He called "the Kingdom of God." In Luke 21, after describing a series of trends and events unparalleled in history, He concluded: "Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near . . . When you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near" (verses 28-31).

The ancient prophets, Jesus and His apostles all spoke of a literal kingdom that will supersede the world's governments. When these prophecies become a reality, a triumphant cry will ring out: "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" (Revelation 11:15).

Sadly, this message is seldom understood and rarely taught in churches. Many have accepted "a different gospel" (Galatians 1:6) that distorts and obscures this vital biblical truth. You will read in the next chapter how this "other gospel" (verses 8-9), as Paul labels it, evolved and spread throughout the world.

However, you can discover for yourself the full meaning of the gospel—the incredible good news—that Jesus Christ and the apostles preached. This same gospel is faithfully preached by the United Church of God (Matthew 24:14). For a full explanation of the true gospel, be sure to request your free copy of The Gospel of the Kingdom.

Source: http://www.gnmagazine.org/booklets/CJ/truegospel.htm
Christianity Etc › Re: The Thin Line Between Adversity And Prosperity by KunleOshob(m): 10:03am On Nov 27, 2009
Nellychari:
@kunleoshob.

Pls, can u explain to me the Biblical concepts of Salvation and the concepts of the modern prosperity Gospel?
Poverty and Adversity are not part of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Pls, Go and read your Bible very well. Stop talking on what you dont' know. I just perceived that you are not a christian. Reason, your are abusive in your reply. Get Born again. Thank u.
There is no where in all the teachings of Jesus or the apostles that material prosperity was promised to believers. Preachers today twist the gospel to arrive at prosperity teachings which people want to here, but that is not what the gospel is about. That is not to say that believers cannot be rich, they can but beings properous in material terms is NOT what the gospels are about and i beieve it is a heinous crime against christians to deceive them or mis-lead them into believing so. The gravity of it is that a lot of people are loosing their salvation becos false teachings inspired by the devil himself. As per being abusive, i have no apologies Jesus was also abusive and violent when traders at the temple in Jerusalem wanted to turn the temple to a "den of robbers" i believe prosperity gospel is destroying true christianity and turning it to a religion of robbers.

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