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Nellychari:
The thin line between Adversity and Prosperity is the "MINDSET" of an Individual. Adversity is not of God.The Bible says that many are the AFFLICTION of the righteous but God delivered them. Prosperity is of God. Zec 1:17, says that for the kingdom of God to expand here on earth, prosperity is needed. Prosperity is embedded in salvation. So if your not prosperous, it means that you have not taken full advantage of your salvation. Salvation both in Greek and Hebrew translation means prosperity. Jesus took our place of poverty and adversity for us to take his place of prosperity and peace. Please, embrace the prosperity gospel because it is from God. Come to think of it,Gospel means good news not bad news. Adverse situation is a bad news not the Gospel. But prosperity is the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. I thank you.

You must be on very cheap drugs to equate the biblical concept of salvation to the hertical mordern day prosperity gospel being preached by satanic properity gospel pimps.

@otitokoro
If money was meant to be used as tithe, God would not have instructed the tither use the money [deu 14:26] to buy what ever his heart desires before eating it in the presence of God. The tither would have been simply told to tithe his money. Even the Malachi 3:10 that is fraudulently twisted never implied money could be used as tithe. it is consistent with the earlier scriptures in leviticus, deuteronomy, numbers e.t.c that tithe is farm produce. Now where in the bible was money ever used as tithes. that is apart form the fact that tithing today is not based on any sound scripture but on pure manipulation of scripture and tithing was NEVER directed to christians but to Jews who were under the levitical priesthood. The Apostles were commissioned by christ to establish christianity and they NEVER for once preached tithe as a doctrine when they were spreading the gospel. Tithing was smuggled into christianity after the council of Macon in 585 AD by the catholic church when they needed money to finance their growth. The catholic church has since rescinded preaching tithing as compulsary. I see you refused to comment on Hebrews 7: 12&18 were tithing was anulled and totally condenmed for christians. That apart those who tithe under law at at risk of being cut off the grace of christ[in essence loosing their salvation] if they keep depending on keeping any part of the obosolete and archaic mosaic laws to be put right with God. The scripture below makes this crystal clear:
Galatians 5:4:
4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.


otitokoro, i know the truth is bitter and your church (RCCG) depends on this fraud to finance their personal expansion but the question i beg to ask is that are they really pursuing the will of God or are they just on an ambitious empire building drive building using God's name to acheive personal aggrandisement.

Has your user name[otitokoro] impllies the truth is bitter but the bitter truth is that tithing was anulled for christians even though agood number of our greedy clergy don't like admitting this bitter truth becos of their love for filthy lucre.

Hebrews 7:5-19:

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12[b]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. [/b]

13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18[b]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/b]

@Otitokoro
I am sure if you want to be truthful you would agree with me that tithing as it is practised today is a totally alien to the kind of tithing that was prescribed in the bible for the jews[not christians] That is aprt from the fact that tithing was specifically anulled for christians in hebrews 7:5-19. That apart tithing was strictly from the produce of the land of Israel and not from their income. those who deed not produce from the land were not expected to tithes then. i is mischievious and fraudulent to say tithing should be from one's increase when the bible specifically said it should be from the increase the fields produces each year and the reason why levites were entitled to a share in the ithes is becos they have no part in the land God gave the people of israel for farming[deut 14:27] this reason is not valid today. What it essentially means today is that pastors should not be allowed to own property or other sources of income if they want tot benefit from a share of our tithes. But today they want to eat their cake and have it. This to mean is fruadulent and toutright twisting of the word of God for their own greed. Read what the bible as to say about preachers who twist scripture
Jeremiah 8:8-10:

8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the Lord,”
when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?
9 These wise teachers will fall
into the trap of their own foolishness,
for they have rejected the word of the Lord.
Are they so wise after all?
10 I will give their wives to others
and their farms to strangers.
From the least to the greatest,
their lives are ruled by greed.
Yes, even my prophets and priests are like that.
They are all frauds.

@Post
The only prayer i would pray for him is that he sees good reason and resigns his appointemnt as soon as he is back from Saudi so he can take care of his health properly. Also he needs to spare us the burden of having a completely useless and ineffective presidency thereby slowing down the progress of 150 million Nigerians.

@otitokoro
Your definition of tithes and it's use is twisted and faulty. The verse below which i am sure you are aware of but choose to ignoreclearly defines what tithes is and how it is to be implemented according to the obsolete Mosaic laws which is clearly not applicable to christians.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29:

22 “You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. 23 Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God.

24 “Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27 And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.
28 “At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. 29 Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work.


It is very evident even from that passage that the tither is supposed to eat of his tithes with his family, give to the orphan, widow and stranger even before giving to the levites [that pastors faultily claim they are] Also note that vesre 26 makes it very clear that money is not what tithes is as it states the money must be used to buy food stuffs that must be eaten in the presence of God

Tithing has no basis in christianity, it was arrived at by the mordern church through the twisting of injunctions to the levitical priesthood and modified with out scriptural ground. It is the biggest fraud in the history of the world and this scam would surely come to an end very soon as christians are becoming more enlightened. Even the apostles that established christianity condemned tithing. I wonder were the crooks preching it today got there injunctions from.

Prosperity gospel is the latest weapon being used by agents of the devil to deceived christians and lead them away from the true gospel of christ.
@poster by confessing that your father in the lord is a man who has now been confirmed to be using occultic powers you have inadverherently destroyed any iota of credibility you had as a christian.

I am suprised NLs have not been able to detect that this I.D card scheme is just part of a more elaborate plan by the Lagos state goverment to increase it's tax revenue by having a comprhenesive data base of all taxable adults in Lagos state they would be more easily be able to monitor who is paying taxes and who is no They would also be able to assess if taxes being paid are commensurate with income.

duduspace:
@verycute

I am happy for you that your life changed for the better, remember that even drug barons set up trust funds and send some people to school to better their life but does that make selling of drugs a worthwhile venture?

You are quite myopic in your thinking, if the teaching of your erudite Pastor Chris is so useful why has it not transformed the country at large? do you really understand how much 3 million people are? do you know that the republic of Ireland has a population under 5 million? yet Nigerians were running there to have children and obtain stay just a few years back.

Can you just imagine what those 3 million people can do if the teaching your lord and master Pastor Chris is giving them is of any good?

My point remains that there is nothing to be rejoiced over in having 3 million people being gathered in a place to be hoodwinked by one sweet tongued deceiver as Oyakhilome when they should have been gainfully employed in advancing the economic prospects of their nation.

       

@Post
The truth is that the mordern church as drifted away from the true gospel of our lord Jesus christ and most of what is being preached today is "doctrine of men" being presented as word of God. His heresy is very popular and still evolving in the pentecostal fold were there pastors keep claiming "God told me" this and that just to manipulate people into believing in them. The church needs to return to the true gospel of christ then corruption would be greatly reduced in our society, but thsi is an herculean task as majority of our church leaders are hypocrites.

I wonder why CEC plc is so notorious for producing fraudsters and thieves Maybe they are all trying to be llike their idol Mr Chris oyaks

Wow this interview is getting juicier, i am going out now to get my own copy of the news magazine.

akinbola2:
Initially i liked pastor Bakare,but now my interest is changing,don't be an agent of confusion to earn popularity.Bishop Oyedepo is highly blessed of the Lord,Pastor Adeboye is endowed with blessings also.if he doesnt believe in them let him face his church instead of behaving like a non christian.He has criticised so many politicians correctly b4,but not to trample on people with greater anointing,beside how many souls has he won in ogba-ikeja where his church is domiciled.i know everybody in Ota is happy with winners chapel and bishop oyedepo including the Ota witches and Olota of Ota,it is the lord's doing.Pastor Bakare will criticise politicians publicly like he has nothing to do with them and yet go to preach 4them silently during celebration.I remember him coming to Gbenga Daniel's 53rd birthday to preach,i saw him cos i was invited,and he was saying sweet things to Daniel,He didnt tell him to change of his maladministration and deceitful behaviour.can he say he didnt take gift of visitation from the Governor? well am not surprised afterall Pastor Obadare said he saw Pastor Bimbo Odukoya in hell fire,wonders shall never end.just leave Bakare for God.

It's is ok to criticize crooked politicians but when he critisizes crooked practises in the church and crooked pastors he as crossed the line. Please note that some pastor as better maketing skills which translates to a larger congregation does not mean greater or more annointing, for all you know none of them might even have an ounce of annointing. As per every body in Otta being happy with bishop Oledepo, i beg to disagree, we have some of his former students at Covenant University on this forum like Tudor who are mostly very up set with the way the bishop exploited them.

Krayola:
@kunleoshob. It's just that the claims made there are presented as factual, and not just theories. I'm currently doing some work with archaeology and one thing I know for sure is how "impossible" it is to narrow anything that happened that far back to a point when u can say "such and such happened for sure". So when someone tells me that he knows who Moses' real parents were and that he was a black man because of what some verse in the bible (that his hand came out leprous, white as snow) says, that i don't think says that, it's hard to take the person seriously.

There are huge archaeological sites with tonnes of data, some which align perfectly with biblical narratives, that still don't tell us for sure what happened because what u see depends on how u look and what your presuppositions are. A lot of plausible theories and it's pretty much up to the individual to decide which one registers with him/her as valid. So when I read all these articles where people insist that such and such is definitely the case, and i see how little (in some cases even far-fetched) the data they are using to come up with these claims are, it's really hard to take them seriously.

You are right, talk of working towards a predetermined answer. twisting whatever information is available to suit the objective. I reminds me of how how some of our pastors are so adept at twisting scripture to fool the congregation into giving money o them.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=340278.msg4974693#msg4974693 date=1258890883]Very funny. . .sorry you're late. Tithes are usually paid on the first/last sunday of the month after salaries have been paid. I don carry my own buy beer, pastor will have to wait till next month.[/quote]Yes but you are also expected to tithe of any other income or gift which you may receive during the cause of the month. You shouldn't limit your tithes to your salary alone if you don't want God to limit his blessings to just your job.

Some supposedly Atheist Scientists are now blaming God for their failures.

"Well, one could even almost say that we have a model for God [, ] that He rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them."

This is a rather bold statement, and oddly enough, it was made by an otherwise distinguished physicist in an unpublished article. Unpublished (and slightly tongue-in-cheek) it may be, but this forms the background of Dr Holger Bech Nielsen's research that has appeared in publications over the past 18 months. Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and co-author Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, Japan, have been hinting about this subject for some time, but in a recent New York Times essay, Nielsen directly blames God for our Higgs boson woes.

The two researchers propose that the search for the Higgs Boson is jinxed, and forever will be, because this bizarre particle has the ability to travel back in time. In a nutshell, Nielsen and Ninomiya reckon that the creation of a Higgs particle during the energetic collision inside a particle accelerator -- such as the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) -- will cause a chain of events that will ripple back in time, stopping its creation in the future. Nielsen and Ninomiya seem to think there is some kind of natural quantum censor that prevents the Higgs particle from being produced.

", the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one." --Dennis Overbye, NY Times Essay, Oct. 12 2009.

It sounds like a particle physics version of Back To The Future and the "Grandfather Paradox" (i.e. if a man could travel back in time to kill his grandfather, would he cease to exist?), and it is certainly a very interesting question. But where's the evidence?

Nielsen and Ninomiya think that the troubled path to the potential discovery of the Higgs is proof that their theory is valid. Take the 1993 closure of the United States Superconducting Supercollider, after billions of dollars had been invested in the project. Why would the project be canceled? Could it be that the collider discovered the Higgs in the future, only for that future Higgs particle to send a signal to the Universe that it cannot be discovered, thereby triggering a natural safety mechanism in the temporal fabric of spacetime, ensuring US Congress pulled the plug on the project after $2 billion had been invested?

Right,

And what about the September 2008 LHC troubles when a transformer broke down and then a quench vaporized the connection between two of the accelerator's superconducting magnets, ensuring a 14 month delay in particle collisions? Is this proof that the LHC discovered the Higgs particle in the future, triggering the Universal safety mechanism to prevent--


You get the picture.

Although things are already starting to sound like a Dan Brown novel, the fact that the researchers decided to bring God into it makes the whole story even crazier.

I have an alternate theory. Could it be that the hunt for the Higgs boson is just really hard? After all, to produce a Higgs particle requires a lot of energy and the particle accelerators required are the most advanced pieces of scientific equipment ever built in the history of mankind. This fact alone means that prototypes cannot be constructed; all the practical experiments carried out at the LHC (for example) will be one of a kind. Mistakes are bound to happen and the experiments will need to be adapted to cater for unforeseen variables.

So, is "God" sabotaging the LHC? I think there are far simpler explanations.

Source: New York Times



Source : http://news.discovery.com/space/god-hates-the-higgs-boson.html

@Tudor
How was church today Hope you paid your tithes in full.

Krayola:
@ kunleoshob, I think the stuff on that link you posted is even more iffy than the stuff already on this thread.

I thought you might say so, but there is a lot of truth and logic in it albeit mixed up with fantasies. Sometimes i really wonder were to draw the line.

ibto75:
@Tukor What is their offense that warrant arrest?

Fraud a.k.a 419 a.k.a Obtaining by false pretense which is an offence punishable under the Nigerian criminal code.

From here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-355636.0.html


SUMMARY OF 12 PAGES OFTHE NEWS MAGAZINE

1", in Nigeria the worst of us are leading the best of us!,

2, umaru yar'adua our first Nigerian graduate/lecturer president is a round peg in a square hole, he is totally unfit to lead this nation!,

3, yar'adua could not careless whether Nigeria is sick or healthy as he is battling with his own health, an honest man would have thought that he owes his nation the duty to say that he does not have the mental capacity or the energy to continue to lead,

4, i am still watching and waiting to see where, this tree of ibori will fall, until those daylight robbers who have stolen this nation blind are dealt with don't listen to anyone who says there's a campaign against corruption,

5, the PDP will be derailed one of these days,

6, Bishop Oyedepo engages in occultic practices with all that mantle,oil,handkerchiefs etc, i tore his books to shred,

7, any pastor who tells you that things will be tight for you because you don't pay tithe wants to cheat you, your contributions to any church should not be guided or programmed, unfortunately many church leaders go into projects God never asked of them and in the process make life difficult for their members,

8,  church service on sunday, special meeting on monday and tuesday, bible study on wednesday, night vigil on friday and house fellowship on saturday, when are you going to live the life you are being taught?, that is the sign of apostacy it also shows that your leaders are only interested in the gospel of wealth!, "

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For full text of interview visit: http://thenewsng.com/cover-story/why-i-quit-redeemed-church/2009/11

Krayola:
damn!! Thats a lot of maps. It'll take me forever to make sense of all this. Thanks though.
So, lets say all these were 100% accurate. . that still doesn't make us descendants of Abraham. Does it? I thought the covenant was with Abraham and his descendants, and not his ancestors, and that the Torah wasn't till Moses/Sinai. . .

@krayola i would strongly suggest you do not use knowledge obtained on this thread in you academic pursuit else you nmight find your self repeating classess next seesion. However i believe revelations made on this link: http://www.modernghana.com/news/247818/1/the-jews-lied-against-africa-to-ascend.html would make meaningful contributions to this thread.

I see we now have a resident Larry King on nairaland , i sincerely hope that seun is paying for all this interviews that are drawing traffic to his site.

noetic15:
It is quite easy for u to use an escapist tactic , . . . . .

on the contrary, it is you that i using an escapist tactic as you are yet to address any of the issues raised apart from one or two vacant assumptions you postulated.

noetic15:
u are joining three different issues together here. . . . .please learn to be objective.

was the scriptures written by Paul and the apostles without the guidiance of the spirit?. . . .No.
was the scripture preserved for hundreds of years without the guidiance of the spirit?. . . .No.
so what EXACTLY is your point?

You don't seem to get it do you? The fact remains that a lot of politics went into the cannonization of the bible by the then catholic church who were heavily under the influence of Constantine who was interested in using Christianity as a tool of uniting the empire. That aside a good number of books that were considered scripture by the early christians were omitted from the bible for very unclear reasons even though some of these books remain hidden in the vatican till today and is being used for the private studies of their senior clergy. My brother i think you really need to do an indepent study on the history of the bible before jumping into conclusions. There are tons of stuff from credible web sites on the internet.

As usual the popular NL culture of derailing threads and turning it into personal attacks has reared it's ugly head here. This thread was primarily created to discuss Gnostic christianity. I started it beocs i was hoping i might gain some insight into what it was all about since they have a different view of christiainity from mainstream christianity and they are as ancient as the catholic church. I am also curious to know the contents of the books/ gospels they use an the reason why the catholic church rejected them. As i have repeatedly said on this forum i really don't believe in any denomination or sect of christianity as they are all man made creations and most of them have even departed from the core teachings of christ. But that not with standing i thirst for more knowledge of christ which i believe is not limited to the catholic cannonized bible which has been editted by the protestants[b][@noetic[/b]: was the "holy spirit" involved in the editting as well?]. It is a wonder that most pentecostals who see everything wrong with the catholics would swear and hold on tightly to the cannon of scriptures chosen and imposed on us by the catholic church which they so much despise. I would always continue to encourage all christians to focus on christ and his true gospel that is the koko in the bible and that is what makes us christians. Every other thing in the bible is ancilliary to this and might not necessarily be useful as doctrine for us today. With that said i would like us to return to our discusion on gnostism. Any takers

9ja4eva:
http://odili.net/news/source/2009/nov/15/215.html


This will help a lot of people on board

The scriptures in the above link apply to most of the preachers parading themselves as men of God today.

olabowale:
@poster; what are you saying? is your intention as the intention of the video piece speaker saying there are no true or just handful of christian, rather true christians alive? what then are the majority, christians only by name, destined for hell fire?

let me then pst these sets of questions to you and the author of the video and any christian who care to approach any or all;

1. what was the religion of jesus, if any relative to the religion or religions if not just one religion of john and his father zachariah, elijah,elisha, job, jonah, solomon, david, samuel, king saul, moses, aaron, joseph and his brothers and sisters, jacob, isaac, abraham and lot, noah, enoch, adam?

2. please calibrate their religion, or religion of each person if you thing they all did not have the same religion. name what you think they have and what jesus had, unless he had no religion.

3. if jesus did not have any religion, and moses had a religion, and that religion of moses is the same of father jacob who was neither a jew nor children of israel by ethnicity because both came after him, just like christian and christianity came after jesus, but if jacob had the same religion as his father isaac, grand father abraham, and human generations before these, noah, enoch, adam had the same religion, is that religion not something other than jew and christian?

4. what is the name of that religion, and is it still alive among man or completely dead, even practised by these noble man, especially abraham whom every so called monotheistic religion is claiming a source from?

5. if ths religion is alive name it and give us reason you say it is?

6. if the religion is dead, please give us the reason that none of the so called monotheisms is not it?

7. why would the Creator allow the ways of these men, especially His Friend, Abraham died and what is it replaced with?

8. to therefore be true christian which is christlike, should it not be inclusive of the religion and all instruction of jesus as you know it, a religion that one will take to be the religion of all the Godly men before him, especially Abraham, and definitely Moses whose law and way he practised and warned against any to abandoned it?

Jesus did not come primarily to start a religion but primarily to reconcile man to God and show man the way to the Kingdom through living a life pleasing unto God. The truth is that most religious practises [Islam especially] are man made and man thinks he can massage God's ego through praising and worshiping him. But that might not be entirely correct as this is how the bible recommends we practise religion: James 1:27:
27 Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you. its so simple yet men can't understand it and we have to add our own to it thinking we can please God through our hypocrisy hence the reason why your prophet in his over zealouness had to invent so many doctrines and impose it on others just in his bid to "please" God. This practise by your prophet is still being seen in religion today and that is why we have so many sects and religions springing up everyday with all sorts of man made beliefs being imposed on others. The way to God is not about "religion" but living a righteous life as christ taught us.

@Noetic
Within the context of your belief in the inerrancy of the bible as a whole how do you reconcile the following verses?

Jeremiah 8:8:

8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the Lord,”
when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?
New Living Translation (NLT)

Jeremiah 8:8:
8How can you say, We are wise, and we have the written law of the Lord [and are learned in its language and teachings]? Behold, the truth is, the lying pen of the scribes has made of the law a falsehood (a mere code of ceremonial observances).
Amplified Bible (AMP)

You might need to read the chapter from the beginning for clearer understanding.

noetic15:
I am tempted to ask: . . . .

Since u think that the bible is a watershed of what it ought to be, by omission or commission. how and where did u deduce the teaching of Jesus Christ as love?

What most people fail to realize is that the bible is not one book and can not be treated rightly as such. Firstly you have to realize that it is a collection of books put together by fourth century christians in their understanding of what they considered as scripture. Also you have to realize that prior to this compilation christianity had existed for at least 300 years and they never used the bible as we have it today, even then they practised a much purer form of christianity than the diluted version handed down to us today by our mordern day church fathers. The teachings of christ also appear in at least 30 other gospels[gospel of thomas, mary magdalene, of truth, of Judas, of barnabas e.t.c] not cannonized in the bible by the catholic church and several other historical records of the first century roman empire so limiting your knowledge of christ to just the cannonized books is allowing your self to be put in the box the early church fathers designed. As i told you in a previous thread you have to scrutinize and critisize your faith before you can truly describe yourself as a believer, if you just believe for beleiving sake or for the fear of hell or the prospects of heaven then you have missed he road. You have to understand this true gospel, appreciate and believe the teachings by practicalizing it before you can say you are of christ. It is not about the bible but about the spirit of christ. The bible merely keeps a record of it.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=353683.msg4949612#msg4949612 date=1258548481]This is Tudór from living faith sahara desert (church Treasurer) would papa oyedepo kindly send his 2 Jets over to help convey us and our camels to the venue?[/quote]From our available church records, the tithes and offerings you are remmiting to the head office is way below target and as such your parish is not even entitled to the church bus talkless of the the divine jet which was annointed strictly for the use of our dear papa Oledepo. What insolence

bawomolo:
kunle is moving closer and closer. hmmm

If i am moving closer, it must be in the direction of the true gospel of our lord and saviour Jesus christ. However most people just like to stereotype christianity and put everyone in a straight Jacket. Let me make this clear my christian faith remains resolute and is based strictly on the gospel of our lord Jesus christ. As a christian i do not accept 100% of the contents of the bible as doctrine becos it was mere men that decided which books they want to cannonize and they might have by ommission or commission ommited or included what they should't have. I have based my beliefs on the core teachings of Jesus christ which is basically Love for God, love for fellow men and doing unto others as you would want them to do unto you. That apart we were called to live an exemplary life. Any thing i find not compatible with the teachings of christ i reject wether it is in the bible or not and that is the same attitude i would use to scrutinize Gnostic teachings which is claimed to be derived from christ. I am quite certain that the catholic church witheld a lot of sacred / inspired writings from the bible and kept it for their own use for reasons best known to them. I might be mis-understood but i am on a journey to know and understand the teachings of christ better irrespective of what the early catholic church decided to cannonize oin the bible and as such mould the christian religion. Today it is quite obvious that a lot of practises contrary to the teachings of christ are now being practised in our churches and christianity as standard practises.