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I am yet to see a single teaching in the bible that a christian must marry only one wife. On the contrary several great men of God in the bible had more than one wife plus several concubines.

@chukwudi44
Where have you been? Nice to have to back to tackle this false filthy lucre loving teachers on the forum

osaromike:
i am new on this forum,hope i will have some fun here,this is a very good topic here

You are very welcome to the forum . Tithes is one of the most hotly debated topics in this section even though it is glaring from scriptures that tithing as is practised in today's churches is an abberation and unbiblical. What are your views on the topic?

Zikkyy:
True. This part of your post is very valid. This is probably your best post on this tithe issue 

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=203250.msg5140107#msg5140107 date=1261144624]your post is very valid.[/quote]Typical of Tonye-t, apart from from quoting scriptures out of context you have now started to mis-quote nairalanders abi.

@TVO1
How now? Long time how have you been? Hope all is well with you.

noetic15:
Hallelujah!!! u did a good job

Thank you my brother.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=203250.msg5139684#msg5139684 date=1261141038]>>>Matthew.23:23 - Jesus said unto the Hypocrites[tonye-tithes], practise mercy [yes], practise faithfulness [yes], practise Justice [yes], and i say do not neglect to practise Tithe [yes]

Zikkyy, maybe i am yet to show you any "senseful" post because my posts seem contrary to your free-choiced tithing, which the above passage doesnt not validate. [/quote]Obviously you are now a self confessed hypocrite cos it is obvious even from your post that Jesus was addressing Hypocrites like you who were under the law. We true christians know that we are not bound by any Jewish laws

Zikkyy:
There is nothing for me to prove. Compulsory tithing for christians cannot be found in the bible. The onus is on you to prove that tithing is compulsory, and we are yet to see anything serious from you.

Abi oh!!

The Light2:
I cannot understand how and why you advisce people not to judge, yet you drag the name of a respected Man of God like TB Joshua into this whole JET talk.

very Funny!

Preach what you practise.
if you cannot defend your pastor or give explanations as to how and why he bought a PJ, then dont bother to make posts, afterall you are also a member of Nairaland and people have their right to say what they want,

Abi oh, passing judgement in one vein and asking me not to judge in another, we should jsut sit down and watch these criminals destroy peoples lives in the name of not judging. I really wonder if some people understand what christianity is all about at all.

biina:
I have pointed you to relevant verses in the past,  but you had a different interpretation of them.
You have decided not to pay your tithes and are more occupied with stopping the pastors that receive the tithes, thus you simply look for verses and interpretations to support your position (which is not difficult given that even the devil could find some to support himself). Since we cannot agree on the interpretation of said verses and that you are intent on limiting relevance to a section of the bible, there is no point in continuing along that road.

Still you did not answer my earlier question as regards the other laws  e.g. do you keep the Sabbath?

The relevant passages you showed like deut 14:22-29 shows glaringly that mordern day practise of tithing is wrong and lacks biblical basis and this is NOT a matter of interpretation becos that scripture makes it clear that tithes is food meant to be eaten by the tither himself and his family in the house of God. The tither was then reminded not to forget the less priviledge before even mentioning the levites with the caveat that the levites were not allowed to own property. I don't know how in this world what is described in that passage can be interpreted as the mordern version of tithes we have today if not for scriptural manupulation the purpose of the practise of tithe[eating in the presence of God] was also clearly stated in that passage and cannot be interpreted other wis excepted twisted which is against the will of God.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29:

The Giving of Tithes  
22 “You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. 23 Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God.[this is the reason for the practise and NOT to take care of levites]

  24 “Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27 And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

  28 “At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. 29 Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work.


It is very evident form the above biblical explaination/definition of tithes that it is entirely alien to the heretical version practised today. This is clear evidence of twisting God's word as the meaning and purpose of tithes as been twisted. Now lets see what the bible ays is the motive for twisting God's word by preachers:

Jeremiah 8:8-10:

   8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the Lord,”
     when your preachers have twisted it by writing lies?
   9 These wise teachers will fall
     into the trap of their own foolishness,
  for they have rejected the word of the Lord.
     Are they so wise after all?
  10 I will give their wives to others
     and their farms to strangers.
  From the least to the greatest,
     their lives are ruled by greed.
  Yes, even my prophets and priests are like that.
     They are all frauds.

Wow, the bible is really explicit. We now see why the tithes advocates twisted biblcal tithes from land produce to money cos they are greedy and fraudulent.

On the issue of sabbath, i don't observe it neither do i observe any of the other Jewish laws. My life is guided based on the laws of Christ which is to love God and to love my fellow men.

Deep Sight:
Altogether you will agree that these things read similar to some psuedo oriental myth. But the force of history is such that these things are cherished as inviolable truth. A few days ago i told my colleague that the Bible does not teach that Jesus is God. She glared at me with wide eyed consternation and asked me to keep my distance, for such heresy. This same person will scoff at the claims of Olumba Olumba Obu to be God, forgetting that if a foreign nation invaded Nigeria today, and adopetd Olumba Obu's sect as its state religion, hundreds of years down the line many millions of people influenced by that foreign power would believe unconditionlly and dogmatocally that Olumba Olumba Obu is God.

You see what brainwashiing causes. Yet if you ask the girl to show you one single scripture in the bible where Jesus claims to be God she would start adding 2+2 to get 10.

The truth is that the gospel that Jesus preached was a very simple one yet very deep. I think it is the church that complicated the religion by adding so many twists and turns to it. The gospel of Jesus christ is centred purely on the four gospels in the bible and it is explained and demonstrated by the writings and works of the apostles. The true christian reigion was beautifully summarized by James[the brother of Jesus] in his epistle and there is nothing complicated or evolving about it. The principles inherent in it remain evergreen forever. The christian religion is defined as thus:
James 1:27:
27 Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

It is very sad that main stream christianity has departed from this biblical fact and instead they focus on issues[like tithes] that have absolutely no bearing on true christianity or the doctrines Jesus and his apostles taught us. The voluminous nature of the bible itself does not help as there are to many distractions in it that pastors use to sway people away from the crux of the matter. As far as i am concerned christian doctrine should be taken purely from the teachings of christ, the teachings of the apostles are complimentary and when there is a seeming difference in the teachings like in the way to salvation, then the teachings of christ takes precedence. There is only one gospel and that is the gospel of the kingdom of God. All others being manufactured today like prosperity gospel are from the pits of hell and are being preached by agents of the devil who are trying to lead christians into marmon worship.

Kx:
2 Kings 5:15: And he(Naaman) returned to the man of God (Elisha), he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel: now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.
016: But he(Elisha) said, As the LORD liveth, before whom I stand, I will receive none. And he urged him to take it; but he refused

The above quoted scripture is totally against the doctrine of our mordern day pentecostal preachers and should be deleted from the bible. How dare you post such an unprofitable scripture here

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=366818.msg5134572#msg5134572 date=1261072999]Are you sure it was God who used you in this case?[/quote]Most definitely i am certain beyond reasonable doubt. God is using me to set the captives free

@biina
You are still yet to show me a single christian teaching in the bible were tithes was requested of christians. It is quite instructive that Paul who was a pharisee and their by a former tither did not deem it fit to teaching tithing to the gentiles he took the gospel to who were not a customed to this Jewish rite.

biina:
Free-will v compulsory; an interesting point you have raised. Under what do you classify what God expects of you, compulsory or free will?
Does it please God for me to hold on to all I earn, saying 'It is not enough for my needs in the first place, thus I cannot part with any of it'? or do you think it is irrelevant to God what I do with my income?

I believe the scriptures below should answer your question, you can't possibly give anything to God and God has no need of anything from you. How ever as christians we are encouraged to give to the needy and secondly to give to support the gospel. but in reality we cannot give to God. I actually think it is highly insultive to the almighty for we puny mortals to be claimig we are give to God.

Acts 17:24-25:

24 “He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn’t live in man-made temples, 25 and human hands can’t serve his needs—for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need.

scottN:
na wa o! wetin winner's chapel do u nah?

They are corrupting the glorious gospel of Jesus christ and exploiting simple minded believers who are genuinely seeking God. This i believe is a very great sin and all true christians should stand up and condenm such criminals.

kola oloye:
Now my mind could take her rest when i just discovered that you were not
talking about Oyedepo but Oledepo.

i am quite certain you know i am talking about Oledepo the marmon worshipper who calls himself a bishop and presides over a group of thoroughly brainwashed goons that worship idolize him at the so called winners loosers chapel.

Pastor AIO:
When Paul says he knows someone who was whisked into heavenly realms (bodily or not bodily, even he couldn't tell), what is your opinion? did you think it was bodily. did you think that this person, like mohammad in the quran, leap so high he went to heaven where he split the moon with a karate chop.

@tensor777
But there is a lot wrong with twisting the word of God and using his name to deceive people into parting with their money. The original poster spoke about prosperity gospel. Now any right thinking christian who has studied the scriptures well would know that prosperity gospel is not biblical and is from the deepest and darkest pit of hell. Primarily used to move the focus of christian away from christ and all he stood for to the love of money [which the bible descibed as evil] and marmon.

This year God used me to teach a lot of christians the truth about tithing and show them from scriptures that God does not require tithes fromthem thereby freeing hundreds of his children from the schackles/yoke/burden of compulsary tithing placed on them by criminally motivated preachers. God used me to set the captives free . Praise the lord.

@tonye-t
Aren't you tired of recyling this your matthew 23:23 over and over again, after all it has been thoroughly dis-creidtted by bible scholars here on NL. For the benefit of those who might be confused or led astray by Tonye-t's debauchry of the scriptures, in the conversation in matthew 23:23 Jesus was adrressing Pharisees who were under the law hence he said it was ok for them to give tithes even though it was a very minor part of the law. As we all know the law died with christ and we christians are not under the law. The law is not relevant to us except you want to be placed under it's curse[galatians 5:4]. That apart the tithe Jesus spoke anbout was that of mint and cumin[spices] and not money as money was not a tithable item under the jewish laws.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=203250.msg5131901#msg5131901 date=1261050599]@KunleOshod,

what then happens to Paul's approach to tithe in 1corinthians 16? and to teach you again, the war spoils Abraham tithed from meant that he's had an increase, thus was expected to tithe. do you understand?[/quote]Now this is what i don't like about you, you tell toooo man lies in trying to force your delusions into scripture. Paul was not talking about tithes in 1 corinthians 16. So stop trying to force thrash in to scriptures. What Pual was talking about there was collections for Christians who were being persecuted in Jerusalem and definitely NOT tithes talkless of church offerings as is collected today. The money was collected for a specific purpoe and that was to help the needy amongst the christian brethen then, very much unlike our mordern day preachers who would hardly lift a finger to help any one.

1 Corinthians 16 :
The Collection for Jerusalem
1 Now regarding your question about the money being collected for God’s people in Jerusalem. You should follow the same procedure I gave to the churches in Galatia. 2 On the first day of each week, you should each put aside a portion of the money you have earned. Don’t wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once. 3 When I come, I will write letters of recommendation for the messengers you choose to deliver your gift to Jerusalem. 4 And if it seems appropriate for me to go along, they can travel with me

[quote author=global_wonda link=topic=366829.msg5131481#msg5131481 date=1261047330]Whetha u lik it or not GOD built a 50,000 capacity Heaven_class auditorium to d Glnry of His name alone.Wel, I dnt have much to say, but b carèful hw u mock Gods elect 4 u not to rmain a mockery 4 eva. Also, I believe dat evry1 is entitld to his own opinion; moreso knw dat 'only fools doubt proofs'. God bls u. Dnt 4gt, I am too BLESSED to b STRESSED![/quote]Did i read you write heaven_class This must be blasphemy of the highest order how dare you compare that filthy contraption that Oledepo built for his own personal glory to heaven   you must be on extremely very cheap substances. That aside it is toooo glaring that Oledepo is certainly not serving God but marmon talkless of calling him God's elect. You are the one who is making a mockery of God if you are to describe such a common criminal like that slowpoke God's elect.

It is really very manipulative to justify the type of heretical/ unbiblical version of compulsary mordern day tithing being preached in our penterascal churches with Abraham's one off voluntary tithes from war booty. They are two entirely seperate and unrelated issues. If that were the case then based on Abraham's example we should only tithe when we win a war or at best get a wind fall and not from our income as it is not on record that Abraham ever tithed from his income or his personal assets and the bible records him to be a very wealthy man. Our criminally motivated preachers preach tithing from malachi based on the obsolete and defunct Jewish laws which were never directed at christians. And that is why they preach it as compulsary. if you want to preach from abraham's one off example then you have to practise it as such not mixing the practise with the defunct one the jews practised.

@biina
Just as i though, you failed to address the issues i raised, talkless of showing me a single christian injunction to tithe. I have already addressed why the tithing law instituted but you failed to acknowledged that by presenting the question to me again.Do you know that there was a caveat for including the levites as part beneficiaries of the tithes? The caveat being they were not allowed to own land of their own. i wonder how many of our pastors abide by this caveat today.

Numbers 18:23-24:
23 Only the Levites may serve at the Tabernacle, and they will be held responsible for any offenses against it. This is a permanent law for you, to be observed from generation to generation. The Levites will receive no allotment of land among the Israelites, 24 because I have given them the Israelites’ tithes, which have been presented as sacred offerings to the Lord. This will be the Levites’ share. That is why I said they would receive no allotment of land among the Israelites.”
Deuteronomy 12:11-12:
11 you must bring everything I command you—your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes, your sacred offerings, and your offerings to fulfill a vow—to the designated place of worship, the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored.
  12 “You must celebrate there in the presence of the Lord your God with your sons and daughters and all your servants. And remember to include the Levites who live in your towns, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.
Deuteronomy 14:28-29:
28 “At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. 29 Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work.


The bible is very clear, the reason why levites were allowed to partake of tithes was becos they were not allowed to own property, so any preacher parading himself as a levite today must first of all give up the right to own property before he can ask to partake out of our tithes. Our preachers today are trying to eat their cake and still have it

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=365912.msg5131065#msg5131065 date=1261043269]Mr.Noetic15,

Allow me to answer this bro (TV01) for you!.

If one should say such, therefore i stand to say that mercy is not compulsory, faithfulness aint compulsory likewise justice too, for the same LORD of the trio(mercy, justice, faithfulness)a command made the quad (tithe) a command too.

Matt.23:23 - " Practise mercy, practise faithfulness and again i say practise Justice and also do not neglect to practise tithe (hebrew-english paraphraased version)

Yeah though i do not believe in forcing peeps to keep God's word, but aint that scripture up here more of a command than a suggestion, for if you should say tithing aint compulsory then i'll mean you're saying tithing is only a suggestion. Remember God's words are commands!.

[font=trebuchet ms ] did you say it was never a NT notion, whatever happened to Jesus' word in Matt.23:23, whatever happened to Paul's command in 1cor.16:2. hmmmm interesting! maybe a NT proof of yours will do. Pls also remember that even while the early church all inclined towards the edifice of the spiritual man (the liberated man), they also dwelt in man-made assemblies where widows, orphans, deacons, cleargies of all sorts and bishops and their needs were to be administered to.[/font]

The curses for failure were all doneaway with the death of Jesus which fulfilled the law of Moses, for moses and his laws came with punishments for failure the law, while Jesus and the newness of his reign came with grace to help us keep God's law.

Mr.TV01 i stand to say YES, na wa o, how do christians even read there bibles sef. how else should one give God honor, let me teach you, your prayer, praise and worship, preaching, evangelism, living are only a quota of our honor to God, howbeit it is of Man's duty to give God honor with everything we are, we have, we can. let me quote a scripture to bring a rememberance to you

Prov 3:9-10

9 Honor the LORD with your wealth,
with the firstfruits of all your increase;

10 then your storehouse will be filled to overflowing,
and your vats will brim over with new wine. NIV


now TV01 doesnt this scripture sound like one way we can honour God is through giving him what we own? and lest you forget or maybe you've not read my thread on tithing, the practise of giving God our firstfruit is called "THE BIKKURIM MA'ASER" meaning giving God a portion of our firstfruit.

You can read more if you so mind. The relevance of Tithe[/quote]classical example of scriptural manipulation by a fake pastor

@Kola
The passage you quoted was being used to teach believers to give to the poor and needy and NOT greedy men parading themselves as men of God. The bible hould be read and used in it's proper context.

mavenbox:
@KunleOshob: Did the Holy Spirit ask you to stop paying tithes altogether, or did He say you should not pay it to those pastors in monetary form?
By my understanding, spiritual laws are never abolished. They are upgraded if need be, but never demolished. So, what replaces the law of tithes?

The holy sprit NEVER asked even the children of Israel to pay tithes as biblical tithes directed under the jewish laws was not money but 10% of the produce of the land.They gave of their produce not paid. Those who did not produce from the land were not expected to tithe and it was strictly a jewish law [hence the apostles never taught it to the early christians]to partly support the defunct levitical priesthood, orphans, widows and other less priviledged. That aside the tithing law was not a spiritual law but a ceremonial one. Tithing was alos specifically abolished for christians please read Hebrews:7:5-19 with special emphasis on verse 11,12 &18. It was not only anulled but condenmed as weak useless and an unprofitable law. c cor 9:7 forms the standard of christian giving and not tithes or other manipulative injunctions.

Kay 17:
bimbo odukoya, was said to have conducted a prayer session in the plane, to cast out the demon of plane crashes. its kind of funny for a faith-healer to succumb to sickness which he was supposed to be immune to. at least his miracles should have included him.
generally, God had favoured his men and granted them long life and glorious and if possible send chariots of flames to pick them up.(from the bible).

And where did you hear the highlighted rumour from From the ghosts of the people who died in the crash?? The length you twats go just to ridicle christianity.