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Image123:
Kunle careful ke? well, maybe next year.
He has done A LOT of research o!

Evil thrives becos a few good good men fail to speak up against it. The bible is replete with warnings against false teachers. The warnings are there for a purpose. Yet today a lot of us shy away from speaking agianst evil in the church just becos of the mis-applied concept "judge not" even when there is glaringly wrong doing on the part of most preachers. It is soooo bad today that these wrong teachings[i.e compulsary tithing] have now become the norm rather than the exception in churches. Image123 i challenge you that if you are truly a true christian you would not feel comfortable with preachers twisting God's word, if you do or would rather sweep it under the carpet then your convictions lives a lot to be desired. i remember Jesus not only condenmed the traders in the temple at jerusalem but he physically assaulted them for turning his father's house into a den of thieves. Today our preachers have turned it into something much worse and when a few of us speak against this evil you say we should keep quiet. The question you should ask yourselves is what would Jesus do if he sees all these scams going on in his name in churches today considering what he did to the traders in the jerusalem temple? We are supposed to be christ like and he is our ultimate role model and NOT our pastors or preachers who are not even likely to make heaven themselves going by the heresies they preach and the evil they practise. As for me i would continue to stand on the side of truth and speak out against evil

@Kola Oloye
I notice you have also been cautioning me, whilst i appreciate your concerns the above is the reason why i continue to fight for the faith. It is all about the faith and not the man made/modelled religion most christians are now practising in the mis-conceived notion they are worshipping God.

@Post
And how does that glorify God that money would have been much better spent doing God's real work which is taking care of the poor and the needy as Jesus directed and not building monuments to the glory and ego of one miserable bishop.

Acts 7:48-49:
48 However, the Most High doesn’t live in temples made by human hands. As the prophet says, 49 ‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Could you build me a temple as good as that?’ asks the Lord. ‘Could you build me such a resting place?

Acts 17:24-25:

24 “He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn’t live in man-made temples, 25 and human hands can’t serve his needs—for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need.

Verse 25 above also proves that you can't give anything to God, that is directed at those who have been deceived into believing they are giving their tithes and offerings to God.

SuRiUno:
Why are nigerian pastors in the UK more concerned about money and prosperity than actually preaching the undiluted word of God??

It is not just Nigerian pastors in the U.K it is also happening at home in Nigeria especially amongst the deluded pentecostal fold.

I also have a testimony to give, a friend of mine told me how his wife was set free from the yoke and shackles of tithes recently when he showed her some bible passages which i gave to him to explain why tithing today in chucrhes is a fraudulent application of biblical injunctions and is not relevant to christianity. She not only stopped paying tithes but she stopped attending the church when the pastor started harrassing her for not paying her tithes anymore. She used to be a memeber of RCCG. I thank God for setting free this young woman from this man made bondage. Let somebody shout Halleluiah!!!!!!

biina:
That is funny giving that you dont know what I do with my tithe, nor if I belong to any specific church
Like I said earlier, the question one should answer is 'should I pay my tithes?' and not 'should a pastor be collecting tithes?'

The day i am shown one single christian teaching to pay tithes in the bible, i would be the greatest and most faithful tithe payer. @biina i hope you know there are several christian injunctions in the bible that christians are not bound by Jewish laws. Read galatians 5:4 for starters then read the whole of galatians 3 & 5 it really explains what the whole laws were about and their purpose. ALso read romanns 10:4

Beautymc:
Yes she was sick and God healed her. @kunle, what about that? How does it affect u?

If she/her husband have so much faith like they preach to people and they believe in the divine health / healing they preach, then they should just have prayed for her healing instead of spending thousands of winner's chapel member's dollars to go and heal her in aerica were she spent almost a year before she was healed by medical practioners.

@biina
please quote scripture to prove your assertions. there is no evidence in the bible that tithes was paid by blacksmiths or from earnings it was strictly from agricultural produce by farmers alone. Abrahams tithes was voluntary and not mandatory which is totally different from the kind of tithes preached today in churches. If you truly read the deuteronomy scripture you posted then you would realize that even the silver that the tithes was converted to was not used as tithes but used to buy food stuff and wine to be consumed by the tither himself in the presence of God and NOT given exclusively to the levites. Deuteronomy 14:22-29m proves that tithing the way it is preached in churches today is a complete fraud.

@binna
tithes were never paid in the old testament as tithes was NEVER money. what they did was give out of what the land produced. Biblical tithing is not money it is our mordern day preachers that twisted the word of God to turn tithes to money.

The pastor must have learnt under crook oyakhilome, in oyakhilome's church today there are three ATM machines that is apart from POS terminals for instant debits. I really think this pastor should step up his game con. we are now in the e-commerce age cheques are becoming obsolete.

@Mavenbox
The story above is a clear case of manipulation. The pastor manipulated the members to bring their cheque books to church for "blessings" meanwhile the real motive was to get them to write cheques for him. It is really disgracefull that our so called men of God have now resorted to "obataining by false pretence"a.k.a 419 to extort money from the flock. As a christian i feel very pained that my relgion is being used to commit fraud. What these criminals are doing is even worse than what  the traders in the temple at Jerusalem deed and Jesus accused them of turning his fathers house to a den of thieves. I really wonder what Jesus would do today if he sees how commercially advanced our churches have become today. No true christian should feel comfortable that this crime is going on in christiandom today.

If i talk now some people would say "do not judge"

It is actually preachers who twists God's word to make money that are mocking God.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg5115402#msg5115402 date=1260865711]>>>1 Cor.16: 2 –Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.KJV

[color=#000099]In Hebrew, the term ‘collection’ as used in this passage is same as what Moses taxed the Israelite males above 20years old in the wilderness called the ma’aser terumah (which was the tithing based on contribution for the temple of God which Paul referred to as Jerusalem in his time) and it was given to help the temple building in the wilderness based on how God prospered each individual)–Ex.25:3-9. tithe is wrong. that's all am asking you, and not calling for insults and mud-slingings, they're absolutely unnecessary![/quote]what upsets me is your penchant to tell outright lies and twist scriptures to assert this scam. Every one knows that the new testament was written in Greek and not hebrew yet you are quoting an hebrew word and twisting it to suit your preconceived ideas. The passages you quoted above have been thoroughly thrashed out in the past so i won't waste my time. on the issue of convincing a new convert that tithing is wrong i think the onus is on tithing advocates to biblical establish that tithing is right without twisting the scriptures base on christian teachings of the apostles.

noetic15:
@ Deepsight

I feel for u. . .your soul must be troubled.
This is probably the 100th time u are bringing up this Ghandi issue.

Deep Sight:
No we haven't for you have offered me nothing that will contradict the beatitudes.

For it is explicitly stated -

The meek. The text says that they will "inherit the earth".

The merciful. The text says that they will "obtain mercy".

The pure of heart. The text says that they will "see God".

The peacemakers. The text says that they will be called "the sons of God".

Thus making very clear indeed the sort of qualities required for salvation - all of which Ghandi scores very highly in, certainly much more highly than the plethora of Pastors in Nigeria who many may preseume are "heaven bound."

I strongly dislike it, and it makes me shudder that people can be so ritualistically dogmatic as to imagine that men of sincere hearts and minds, of compassion and goodwill, cannot be accepted by God on account of some Jewish ritual.

You debase and dishonour God.

I agree with deepsight here, christian dogma has made most of us miss the reall point and message in the gospel of Jesus.

KunleOshob:
It is clear that any pastor that twists/manipulate scripture is fake, hence any pastor that preaches the false and herectically greedy doctrine of compulasry tithing must most definitely be a FAKE.

noetic15:
is this a joke or what?
cant u see that u are pushing this tithing thing too far? . . , . . . . . . , there is a lot of sense in the pro-tithing argument too. tithing remains an optional thing. . .but every xtian must be financially commited to the spread of the gospel.

My brother in case you didn't notice the ones i described as fake are those that preach tithing as compulsary and not all pastors that preach it. I agree with you it is an optional thing and all genuine pastors must preach it as that if at all.

@houvest
What you fail to realize is that these charlatans are not preaching the gospel but just junketing all over the world from one established church to the other preaching a twisted version of the gospel to people who have already heard the good news. If they genuinely want to spread the gospel there are enough people in Nigerian villages who have never heard the gospel that they should be focusing on, also in the northern part of Nigeria where they are predominantly muslims. Our neigbouring Benin republic is predominantly pagan yet they won't go there. they prefer to go the Nigerian churches abroad[were they would get paid] to "preach" to those who have already heard the gospel rather than go to places were they would win new converts right under their noses. The reason is obvious: money money money they stand to make more money preaching in europe and america via honorarium than if they do geniune missonary work spreading the gospel to the unsaved in all the poor and back ward communities around us. My brother don't be deceived by these men they are just very smart crroks and they are adept at twisting the bible to siuit their purpose. they also like instilling fear in the minds of people so they don't get criticized and exposed. There are several warnings and teachings in the bible on false prophets and i have done a lot of research on biblical teachings on false prophets and i can say with full confidence on the authority of the bible that Oyedepo and Okonkwo are most definitely false prophets based on biblical standards. If you want scriptural evidence / teachings on false prophets i would be glad to show them to you but for now i would leave you with this scripture to ponder over if it doesn't apply to the above named charlatans.
2 Peter 2:3:
3 In their greed these false teachers will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.

Oosie:
My friend, planet X is in our solar system. Its in a elliptical orbit around the sun. It takes 3600 years for it to orbit the sun once. It is believed that it has life on it. This is information that the government don't want you to know. You have too look at the right places if you want to do research on it.

I first learned about planet X (Nibiru) on youtube. Thought it was bull crap. But then i started doing research. The Mayan civilization has a calendar that ends every 3600 years. The mayans believed in a winged planet with a civilization on it called the Annunaki.

Start doing research on this subject and your eyes will open a hole new truth. You would start putting pieces together and things will start to make sense.

The year 2012 the planet Nibiru (Planet X) Will pass between Mars and Jupiter. It is a big planet and its gravitational evect wil be a huge impact on the earth.

In my research i discovered that our planets poles shifted every 3600 years right around the same time Nibiru passed, causing global warming then a major ice age. This explains why the Mayans calendar ends every 3600 years. The Mayans had 3 similar calendars before the one that ends in 2012. In all the old civilizations that were on this planet long ago, they discovered similar writings, talking about a planet with wings and gods that will that came from the heavens.

Everyone that knows about Nibiru makes theyr oown theory about it. All the answers is in our planets old civilizations. Start with the Mayans then the Annunaki

Your submission is floored, you are mixing up the mayan 2012 date with the summerian annuaki/ Nibiru story. They are completely independent of each other and it is just our mordern day enthusiasts that are trying to draw a parrallel between both histories.

rmx:
kunle oshob and akered , are you guys from the word circle ?

What is word circle i am not from from word circle or any other christian group or movement. All my submissions are base on my personally studies of the bible and spirit led revelations of the true gospel of our lord Jesus christ which has been terribly bastardized by our so called christian leaders of today.

Time and space[distance] is relative _{Albert Einstein}. Go figure

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=366164.msg5109237#msg5109237 date=1260794141]Oyedepo must pay.
His children are abroad enjoying the best of life while his staff are at home killing peoples 11 year old kids with their negligence.[/quote]Oledepo jus made a windfall in the last shiloh, i am sure he would be to settle the bereaved parents without barting an eye lid.

Horus:
“Ali + En” you get “alien.”

In the past you have made sensible and logical posts about the annunaki hypothesis, but when you go to the extent of making conjectures like this you begin to sound like those pastors who twist scriptures to arrive at their preconceived agendas.

It is clear that any pastor that twists/manipulate scripture is fake, hence any pastor that preaches the false and herectically greedy doctrine of compulasry tithing must most definitely be a FAKE.

@tonye-tithe
I am amazed that despite all the "research" you have obviously gone to do on the fraudulent preaching of tithes you can still come back to this forum and shamelessly try to justify the scam, even some of your posts here show that it is an entirely fraudulent practise that has not basis in true christianity. i am not prepared to engaged in any meaningless arguements with with someone bent on perpetuating a fruad on fellow christians. If you have any facts to establish that tithing is new testamental or meant for christians, post it here or forever hold your peace. As for me having multiple identies, that is your bucket of shit, i really don't care what you think. you can make say what you want but i would continue to condenm this evil practise of tithing and lead christians away from the yoke charlatans like you and other fraudulent preachers are placing on them.

jagunlabi:
Don't you all do that in the entire christiandom?Is that not why there are over 30,000 denominations and counting?

i do agree that a lot of distortions exist today in christianity, but that is not to say that the true teachings of christ as been lost or should not be upheld. That is why you see some of us standing up to fight for the faith and being accused by brethen of being anti-christ just becos we speak against the heresies going on in most churches today.

False testimonies/miracles abound from shiloh 2009. Mmmh bishop oledepo must be learning a thing or two from crook oyakhilome.

@explosive
Tonyet has a way of reading his bible up side down whilst panel beating it to suit pre-conceived notions.

Tonyet you don't want to give up ur filthy lucre abi? NLs now know that tithing is a dirty scam.

@houvest
You fail to realize that bishop okonkwo is not a genuine man of God, but a cheap filthy criminal who is using God's word for the benefit of filthy lucre. Open ur eyes, wake up and smell the coffee.

@b2w
What you don't know is that it is Bishop Oledepo that is piling up curses upon himself and unborn generations due to using the name of God to exploit people and perpetuate fraud. The criminal is certainly NOT annointed of God and he would surely answer for all his crimes against the church and God.

Bishop Oledepo must have made a lot of money.
Very funny the poster is receiving miraculous healing whilst bishop's wife has to travel abroad to get her healing in foreign/expensive hospitals after one year of comma.

Ok, I wish you the best,but please don't let this issue cos a problem btw u and your husband.

@leahsarahk
I am glad you have taken it upon urself to study what the true gospel of christ is, I suggest you also try to practicalize it.[I know it is not easy] also try and share these truths about Jesus gospel from the bible perspective with your husband. Lastly I would suggest in the interest of peace you keep attending RCCG with your husband whilst trying to draw him closer to the true teachings of christ. Sooner or later he would realize that there is something fundermentally wrong with the doctrines at RCCG.