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1 Thessalonians 5:20-21:

20Despise not inspired messages.

21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



Contrary to what Paul stated above, today preachers just tell you to take their word for it instead of assisting you to study and understand the scriptures better. Some of them are actually out to confuse rather than exort.

olabowale:
@KunleOshob:Yes am that shallow. I do not read to anything that can not be inferred, directly. Show me a verse, since there are many that deals with mondane thing, like aimless walking, etc, house in the Bible! Jesus telling his disciples how he satrted, if they were not present at his first preaching: the kingdom of God is at hand, ", must be equal to mere walking along (transit) in the Bible! No?

Help this shallow man, Kunle and don't dock the question!

Haba Alhaji, common sense dictates that i would be almost humanly impossible to document every thing Jesus said or did whilst he was here with us physically on this planet even the bible states so in John 21:25 which says: 25 Jesus also did many other things. If they were all written down, I suppose the whole world could not contain the books that would be written. so the fact thatit was not documented does not mean Jesus did not ell his disciples how he sarted his ministry.

Abuzola:
I don't wanna be ban likewise my thread lock, i need injunction and guideline as to make my thread prosper. Mind you i do not post out of ignorance, i post with proof from the Bible.



Waiting to hear from you

On the contrary you post by quoting the bible out of context and sometimes outright falsehoods through twisting of scriptures.

olabowale:
@KunleOshob:Was matthew the author of this verse, or somebody else who accorded it to him? Lets assume he was the author, we shall have two problems to solve;
1). Did Matthew knew Jesus well enough prior to "the beginning of his preaching", for him to write this verse as if he knew the exact time he started preaching, or did Jesus tell him this afterall?

2). Was Matthew the first recruit/disciple before Jesus was swampped by the 12 who surrounded him constantly, hence he was able to tell Matthew before then, when exactly he started his preaching and what led to it?

If one of these situations did not happen, or if there is no proof that Jesus sat Matthew down or another person who told Matthew this time lime of Jesus "starting his preaching", we hardly can believe the accounts of Matthew about the life of Jesus christ of the Bible!

Wow i never knew you were this shallow, what is so difficult in Jesus telling a isciple who was close to him and worked with him for three years how he started his ministry

olabowale:
@KunleOshob:Every prophet taught this. Moses who was the most warringprophet (AS) practiced this. He never led a war against people who are not disbelievers! And the greatest sin, according to you is not to love God! Those who hate men who are not lovers of God are great people! The love of God is a higher presidence! No? Hence Jesus do to other as you will like them do to you, is in line with what Moses and every prophet, including Muhammad (AS)! There is nothing more dramatic about Jesus here.

As I have said above, this does not make Jesus christ unique over and above other previous prophets! They were lovers of God. And they did not hate anyone who loved God! I wonder why deitified the simple completely in line human being Prophet Jesus?

Whilst moses and muhammed preached you should love God they nver preached you should love your fellow man. Jesus made it clear that it is equally important to love our fellow men and that you can only demonstrate you love God if you show love to your fellow men. Unlike the message of hate which muhammed is notorious for which as inspired terrorists all over the world for generations. It would be fool hardy and extemely very naive for a man to assume he can fight on God's behalf like you Jihadist disillusion your selves to believe, it is simply laughable. God is quite capable of delivering judgement without the help of any mis-guided/ overzealous terrorist.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=292901.msg4141367#msg4141367 date=1246871296]I wonder what abuzola is claiming. . . Did mohammed not commit the said act? Is it not written in the quaran that he tighed aisha? When has speaking the reality become an insult?[/quote]The truth they say is very bitter.

jagunlabi:
Have you heard of a guy called GREGG BRADEN?He is a scientist that is on forefront of merging science with spirituality(not religion).Put his name in the youtube search engine and watch some of his video clips.Amazing stuffs.There is so much we do not know about ourselves.

Thanx for the above info, the concept of merging science with spirituality as always appealed to me as what i would like to term "the fianl revelation". The great scientist albert einstein once said that science is yet to understand one part of a thousandth of what nature as in store for us in other words what we know in science today is 0.0001% of what is available for us to know. Science is the pursuit of knowledge and i believe one day[if God doesn't come back to earth before then] science would ultimately lead us to the divine.

Abuzola:
If i compose my site and stated a pastor saying 'JESUS rape a 2 years old girl' how will you take it.


Moderator this is an insult

But he quoted from your supposedly God sent religious book and NOT a pastor who can say whatever he likes cause he is a mere man. I would have assumed that you assume the quoran is authentic.

@Abuzola
Then you must be ashamed of the fouder of your religion and your other terrorist religious leaders who support and encourage this paedophila. This is another evidence that islam is a false religion and definitely NOT from God.

sharp man:
Hi Kunle,

Please note that this is not in anyway an attempt to engage you. I only need this for information and clarity.

What are your views on the 'RAPTURE'?

Well i believe the rapture is one of the most mis-understood issues in pentecostal theology, whilst rapture in itself is not mentioned in the bible the concept of rapture is gotten from 1 thessalonians 4: 16-17 which says : 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. 17 Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever.
You can see from the above that it never said believers would be taken up to heaven it only said believers would meet up with Jesus in the clouds/air. This might just be a way of welcoming his arrival cause another bible passage revelation 21: 2-3 which says 2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
   3 I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.
   indicates that when Jesus returns with God they would come and live on earth with us. When the above two scriptures are compared and contrasted, you would agree with me that he concept of rapture is grossly mis-understood by the pentescostal movament that professes it.

@post
that is really food for thought.

jagunlabi:
I am sorry but the mistake is yours.You still think that the creator is a physical being who has a son.

I never claimed the creator is a physical being who has a son, the bible makes it clear that God is spirit and he can manifest himself in a physical form. You already agree that we as humans are a manifestation of God so i would assume that you know that it shouldn't be too difficult for God to manifest his son in a physical form if we mere humans can be manifested in the flesh.

July 12th as well nice to know my birthday mates i have always thought that the date sounds sooooooo special.

Ogaga4Luv:
I Love coconuts but not the types without a single drop of water inside, in spite of all the yearnings of men, no one can produce a single fact or reason to support the belief in God and in personal immortality.

For every intelligent design or structure there must be a designer or a builder/ creator the human being is the most complex structure known to the man, the earth it's make up and it's functunality which makes it ideal for habouring life is also a very extremely well thought and meticoulously complex make-up. Such accidents don't occur in nature. the evidence of a creator[aka GOD] is all around us even if we can't see him physically

Lennox13:
@poster pls answer the following questions??

Can you provide a coherent rationale in response to the logical problems presented by your understanding of the technology of the Annunaki:

How is it that the same gods who conquered deep space travel took several tries to genetically create humans?

How is it that these gods, with their fantastic space travel technology, gods who gave mankind the technology to build the pyramids and other fantastic structures, didn't have a better mechanism than MANUAL LABOR for mining the earth's gold?

How is it that the deep space travel capability of the Annunaki CONSISTED OF COMBUSTION ENGINES (the "fiery rockets"?

How is it that these gods who had mastered the forces of physics and biology could not make a synthetic equivalent to gold?


Awaiting your replies

Some of these questions cannot be easily answered, the only hard fact we have is evidence of ancient technology that is too advanced for th civilizations for which they are attributed to. And some of these civilizations attribute these technology to their gods ho came from the sky [i. extra terrestrials]. this may not be true but it is the only plausible explaination so far given for these technological feats by ancient civilizations.

jagunlabi:
How are we sure that that was Yeshua being quoted?The fact is that we will never know because the bible is the most edited book in history.I will take this text with a pinch of salt.[b]I see Yeshua as a very awakened human being,and such a person will never give such a commandment.[/b]Why?Because commanding people to love one another is the most ridiculous thing to ask anybody, because love cannot be commanded.[b]An awakened being like Yeshua should know that,least of all.[/b]It is so out of character of an awakened and enlightened spiritual teacher that the text has to have been fudged.
No,i do not believe Yeshau said that line.The church of rome most probably did.

The highlighted above is the mistake you are making, Yeshua was not just an "awakened" human being like buddha but he is divinity the son of the most high who has all the authority of heaven and earth placed in him and thereby worthy of giving commandments. However by his humble nature which he adopted here on earth [to give an example to us] he was not one to throw his weight around an give vain commandments.

jagunlabi:
It is not a matter of man becoming god one day,man is already a god.It is just that the potential has been switched off all this while.
We have all the ability we need right now,we just need to know how to switch it back on.Man is a multi-dimensional being that is not limited by the laws that govern the universe.This is why the people in the know will tell you that there is nothing like miracles.

well that potential is virtually being swichted on again through science. I am of the belief that one day science would ultimately lead mankind back to the reality of GOD, it is just a matter of time.

Chrisbenogor:
I once again applaud your response, I often wonder at how christians manage to duct tape parts of the bible that clearly show a difference in ideology. All the best in your quest.
Cheers.

Thanx for your response, i would once again like to encourage you to re approach the new testament with an open mind and truly try to understand what the gospel of christ is all about devoid of church dogmatism, it promises to be truly revealing.

jagunlabi:
How are we sure that that was Yeshua being quoted?The fact is that we will never know because the bible is the most edited book in history.I will take this text with a pinch of salt.I see Yeshua as a very awakened human being,and such a person will never give such a commandment.Why?Because commanding people to love one another is the most ridiculous thing to ask anybody, because love cannot be commanded.An awakened being like Yeshua should know that,least of all.
It is so out of character of an awakened and enlightened spiritual teacher that the text has to have been fudged.
No,i do not believe Yeshau said that line.The church of rome most probably did.

Whilst it is written in the form of a commandment it still conforms with the spirit of christ and definitely NOT the church of rome that does not practise or advocate this love. It might come in the form of a commandment which sounds difficult or impossible but truly it is definitely devine becos it is not in human nature to love one and other. The truth is that the early christian church practicalized this commandment by being good to themselves and others [acts 4:32-35] i believe this is what God expects of us christians.

@Jagunlabi
Jesus did give a commandment albeit being for our own benefit and you would find it in: John 13:34-35:
34 So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. 35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.”




@chrisbenegor
While i hate to admit it i do agree with you that there are some inconsistences in the bible but i don't allow that to deter my faith as my faith is in christ jesus and not the bible itself. I see the bible as a tool and a guide to show me the scriptures and with a discerning mind i can determine what is true from what is not. Any thing i read that contradicts the true gospel of christ as i have been trying to expantiate on this thread to me is not of God. I view such as the opinions/feelings of the men who wrote the books that make up the bible.Some of the books also have translation errors whilst some were deliberately manipulated.The presentation of the bible as infallible to us i believe as created more problems for christianity and also assited in pushing some people to atheism. Understanding the difference between faith in Christ Jesus and faith in the bible which is merely a book is the key to realizing our true faith and understanding his will better. Here is how we are advised in the bible to determine the truth in scriptures;
1 Thessalonians 5:20-21:
20 Do not despise inspired messages. 21 Put all things to test: keep what is good.

You can see from the above that we are not advised to accept all scripture[bible] we are to put it to test to determine if it is of God before we accept it and that is why i have no qualms about not accepting everything that was included in the bible becos it was compiled by mere men without any evidence or even record of divine inspiration in the process of it's compilation. This as made christianity much clearer to me and freed me of dogmatism in the instuitionalized aspect of the religion

KunleOshob:
What if men became god? As in develope god like abilities?

BRB

Recently i watched a programme on discovery channel titled"Next world" this programe is a scientific program that profiles technological advancements scientist are currently working on that could change the way we live our lives in the future. This particular episode had to do with the human brain and how scientists have discovered a way to stimulate the brain to make it more intelligent and versatile by manipulating the speed of electrons that transmits information in the human brain. If successful the individual involved would have increased intelligence and brain capacity in an exponential way becos of the mulitplier effect of the process. Already science as since established that the average human does not use more than 4% of brain capacity in his/her life time so there is a lot of room for improvement and also capacity for the brain to handle it's improved abilities. Given what humans have been able to achieve in various fields of human endeavour a lot of which still remain very mind boggling imagine what man would be able to achieve if the brain of scientist/engineers is stimulated to be ten times more productive than it currently is. The possibilites are indeed unimaginable. But it doesn't stop there another group of scientists have already discovered what is termed "brain waves" which is similar to infrared waves. All human beings emit brain waves we just can't see or detect it and this may be what is resposible for some metaphyscal activities by those who have learnt to manipulate the brain waves emitting from their head [this could actually be a bridge between science and spirituality] Now this group of scientists have discovered how to integrate the computer with the brain and actually give commands to the computer with the brain via brain waves instead of using a mouse or key board. With the integration of the brain to the computer means the human brain now as direct access to the over 10 billion pages of information on the internet and in the future man would be able to browse the internet using just his brain. If we now couple it with the fact that the human brain has been stimulated to be ten times as intelligent and creative as it used to be and has billions of information at his disposal the capabilties of such a man would definitely be limitless and indeed man is coming closer to being a god. Any one that has used google earth before would marvel at it's possiblities imagine you can down load google earth into your brain, this means that you can view and monitor any thing that is happening on the surface of this planet with just your brain and that makes you omnipresent a godlike attribute. The possiblities are endless and unfathomable and yet it is scentifically proven and technologically possible. It really is mind buggling and the question arises, would man one day become gods?

lonewolf79:
You can site scripture and pray to the gods and do a little dance and its not going to get you any closer to the truth than this one statement, without proof, no one really knows, dead languages are just that, dead languages. Also, if there were people from another world or planet or starship and they came here and made humans and settled here, where the hell are the remains of their technology? Im sorry but trying to tell me a pile of rubble and ruins without significant advances in technology located anywhere within is an alien starport or advanced civilzation is a load of malarky.

This actually a lot of evidence of technology which was way adavanced of ancient civilizations chief of which is the great pyramid of Giza. How it was built is still a mystery till today. Also this website http://s8int.com/ provides a lot of evidence of unexplained ancient technology if you have time, i suggest you go through it, it would prove to be very enlightening

lagerwhenindoubt:
40 fu$%king million Christians and we are so blind to the FACT that GOD has left the building

If christians realize that God has left the building, how pastor go chop? or better still how would the pivate jet be funded and maintained.

@ogajim
Thanx for your observation. Those who claim to be believers are the very ones showing resentment for the truth about the gosple of christ. But this is not new in human behaviour it was the pharisees who were supposed to be serving God that showed Jesus so much resentment to the point of killing him. The human heart is not only evil but it is very wicked and selfish, it would take only the unmeritted grace of God for any human to be truly redeemed. I had thought this thread would be an open forum in whivh we christians can share what we believe to be the true gospel of christ and his purpose on this earth. Ironically love is a central point in his gospel but some people who claim to be "christians" on this forum have demonstrated so much hate yet they claim they keep his commadments. Judgement day is truly going to be very interesting.

@wackhack
Thanx or your contributions. That is what this thread should be about and that is us all contributing and discoursing the true gospel of christ based on scriptures so we can all collectively have a better understanding of what christianity should be. It is also meant to provoke us all to study our bibles better and have a better understanding of the word so we can develop into mature christians and not just be tossed up and down by every man who claims he is of God.

jagunlabi:
MAN is GOD made flesh.We are all expressions of one consciousness,ONE GOD.We are all God expressing itself in transient physical forms.Without US there is no GOD,and without GOD there is no US.

So who came first? Man or God, or better still who created who iswe are one and the same?

@The winner
Why did you have to go and register a new name just to post your links? I am sure you are one of the discreditted CEC plc members on nairaland.

What if men became god? As in develope god like abilities?

BRB

ramipada:
Dear kunle,
God be praise for such an encouragement. I still feel if we can relate more not only as regard this issues but the way i felt in my spirit is that i need to get to know you better and i wouldn't mind if i can have your email address or if you are always on messenger maybe once in a while we can chat, discuses things together and also an avenue for me to share my own life experience, dealings, error, mistakes and my victory regarding this issue. Please and please, seek the Lord as regarding this things. here is my mail address: johnbiyi@ymail.com or henryericsion@yahoo.com or greatness4lif@gmail.com. my number is 08037538118
I look forward to hear from and may the lord be with you.

Thanx, you would find my email address on my profile

timmy7:
@mowire
couldnt agree with u more nw that petres church is now d reigning and best non institutionalise christianity with d ideal selling point-no tithe and offering -for him,we can nw av rest. U can even see him(petres) feeling cool with himself-he has won a soul 4 christ nw give it to him -and laughing at every bad comments against the other churches,2bad

What soul are you talking about about? The issue here is about fellowshiping with other beleivers who genuinely seek the truth under the guidiance of a sincere leadership that genuinely wants to preach the gospel truth becos they have a real desire to serve God and not becos of the filthy lucre they are going to make from it.

ogajim:
What do these folks have to do with this discourse? Advocates of tithes still can't answer a simple question - Will you let your child go hungry and pay tithe to a "church"?

1 Timothy 5:8:
8 But those who won’t care for their relatives, especially those in their own household, have denied the true faith. Such people are worse than unbelievers.

This dezobo is simply completely lost i really don't know how one can start to teach him the truth. Perhaps spiritual deliverance would help as his level of brainwashing is simply beyond comprehension.

@ramipada
Thanx for your words of encouragement, i really appreciate.

His salary must account for $440,000 out of the $450,000

[quote author=tonye-t link=topic=286365.msg4070355#msg4070355 date=1245686992]@Kunle Oshod

brother you have not answered my questions[/quote]Your questions are not valid as tithing in itself is a misnomer in the first place. Comparing it to taxes suggests that it is legal or instituited by God which it is not. Tithing was introduced to christianity after the council of macon in the year 586 AD by catholic bishops[mere men] through twisting of scripture to suit their lust for material wealth. And that is why you would never find any record of tithing amonsgt the apostles or the early christians. TITHING HAS NO BASIS IN CHRISTIANITY  so stop asking questions that suggests it does.