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Acts 17:24-25:

24 “He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn’t live in man-made temples, 25 and human hands can’t serve his needs—for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need.

The above passage makes it clear that it is heretical to claim giving to the church mens giving to God. At best we should use the statement "giving to support the gospel" but our pastors want to delude us to believe we are giving to God when they collect tithes/offerings from us. The bible makes it clear we can't give to God neither does God who created anything as any need of anything from us. I actually think it is a big insult on the almighty for us humans to make the heretic statement that we are giving to God.

[quote author=petres_007 link=topic=315563.msg4442287#msg4442287 date=1251485813]@KunleOshob,

So nice to see you've resumed duty!

I'll be looking out for your threads everyday. Keep up the good work![/quote]Thanx my brother, it is great to be back.

duality:
@kunleoshob
see you campaigning against tithes using the bible. would this make u see God? ok the pastors are taking the money right, then if you dont have the conviction, dont pay !.
maybe after this campaign, u would now help campaign against paying tax. after all the politicians take the money and put in their private accounts coz i can see how passionate u are about this tithe/ money thing.

Are you new on this forum or did you assume a new I.D to make this post? The weight of evindence against tithing as it is being practised in the bible today is humongous and most nairalanders have come to ralsied that compulsary tithing is a fraud against christians based on twisted scripture if you sincerely wish to know the truth about tithes you are welcome to read this thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113108.0.html if you have any questions afterwards i would be glad to respond.

I don't think it is the source of wealth of members that should be probed but the source of wealth of the preachers who are notorious for dipping their hands into the church coffers and making a living from filthy lucre.

horse703:
what u have posted makes no sense at all mr poster

What doesn't make sense in the post ? is it not a confirmed fact that Mr Chris Oyakhilome is not just a phoney but a confirmed con man who is notorious for stage managing miracles.

timmy7:
Unfortunately u cant succeed doing that on d internet,maybe u should do a publication and distribute it freely

The internet [information super highway] remains the best, most effective and cheapest means of spreading information today. That not withstanding i am employing other means of spreading the good news and setting the captives free.

PS: I am still gathering ammunition for my forth coming threads, as you all know i always back up my posts with sound scriptures. I should start shooting them out soon, it promises to be vey revealing and thought provoking.

Prosperity gospel is from the darkest pits of hell and it is the latest weapon being used by the devil and his disciples to lead christians away from the true purpose of the faith.

I would soon be starting a thread on how the bible teaches us to recognise false prophets, it is quite instructive that false prophets are always associated with those who twist the gospel to make money. You guys look out for it and you would be richly blessed and free from the burden of these false teachers. John 8:32:

32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

timmy7:
If u r against tithe fine,but dont put words into apostle paul's mouth saying that's what he meant in that passage.

So what law did was described s weak or unprofitable in verse 18/19. That apart which law was changed in verse 12. If you decide to read the passage in it's proper context  you would realise that it is none other than the almighty tithes that is being rubbished and annulled. Verse 5 makes it very clear that it is tithes being annulled in that passage. That is a very obvious truth that cannot be denied but your thieving pastors would not tell you this cos of the love they have for filthy lucre.

Lets even assume the "bishop" had a dream, how did he know it was God that appeared to him in the dream? Does he know what God looks like? How are we sure he was not annointed by the devil in disguise to lead God's flock astray. The only way the bible says we would recognise true prophets is by the fruits of their spirit which are namely: love, joy, peace,humility, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Galatians 5:22. Any preacher that does not have a good number of the above listed fruits is definitely a false teacher and going by the large number of arrogant and XXXXXL Ego sized preachers we have today, i doubt how many of them are true preachers.

ukotmi:
What actually did Apostle Paul say about tithe? Did he object to tithe? Please post such Bible passages or

The book of hebrew is creditted to apostle paul, this is what it has to say about the defunct doctrine of tithes. Please make sure you read the whole passage in proper context, special emphasis shouid be given to verses 11,12,18& 19. Verse 5 also makes in clear that it is the commandment to tithe under the law that is being addressed in the passage.

Hebrews 7:5-19:

   5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

   6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

   7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

   8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

   9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

   10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

   11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

    12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

   13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

   14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

   15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

   16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

   17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

   18[b]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

   19For the law made nothing perfect, [/b] but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

kola oloye:
@kunleOshob,
Preach the gospel,the Lord is with you

Thanx my brother.

ukotmi:
What actually did Apostle Paul say about tithe? Did he object to tithe? Please post such Bible passages or

Well what paul was saying in the above passage was that chrisitans should steer clear of preachers who taught things different from what he and the other apostles taught as they were after there own personal interest. Today tithing is a very good example of what the apsostles never taught which preachers now preach becos it is in their personal interest. The scriptures is clearly against it and we should flee from these false prophets who keep twisting the scriptures in their own personal interest

@OLAADEGBU
Please stop spamming this thread, maybe instead you should respond to the exposition ttalks just did on one of the several bible passages you loving twisting all in the bid to promote your herectic and greedy false doctrine of tithes.

OLAADEGBU:
You are welcome. It is nice to see that some people are still diligent seekers of the truth. God bless you richly in His grace and wisdom.

So it is only when someone agrees with your dogmas that they are diligently seeking the truth. For someone who claims to be "diligently" seeking the truth i wonder why you have blantantly refused to accept the truth staring you in the face about the tithing scam? Is it becuase that is a bitter truth to swallow and it would deny you of the filthy lucre you have come to enjoy so much.

MMmmmh their annual marketing campagn calculalted at winning more customers for CEC plc through the distribution and reading of their filthy rapshodies of unrealities.

dafidixone:
I am not a dogmatic Christian, I search for the truth in the scriptures. I know tithe is a command form God. What I feel we should address is the proportion of requested form us as a Christian.

I still want to emphasise here that defaulter in tithe payment is a Robber. A robber can not make heaven. Q.E.D

Well i see you are still struggling to hold on to the false teachings, i know it is not easy to let go off a beleif one as held on to for several years even when you realize it is wrong. People don't like admitting they have been taken for a ride hence they prefer to remain in their delusions. However can you show me how the once in three years tithing from agricultural produce commanded by God in the scriptures changed to monthly /weekly tithes from income now being preached by our preachers today. Please show clear scriptural directives to justify this chane else your response would easily be categorised as scriptural manipulation. Again i want you to read 2 peter 2:1-3 what did you think St peter was addressing here? Is is not false prophets who twist the scriptures for their own benefit? {now think who are the chief beneficiaries of tithes}


2 Peter 2:1-3:
The Danger of False Teachers


1 But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.

kola oloye:
Why do you want to add more confusion to what is already on the ground after all God did not create any religion.

Abi oh!

Advertisement is synonymous with businesses and done with the expectation of a future financial reward. So it is very obvious why these con artists are advertising their so called miracles.

kola oloye:
@KunleOshob,
Long time i heard from you. How are you doing? Hope all is well

I am fine my brother, just been a bit busy and was trying to avoid the distraction of the internet. All is well.

Romans 16:17-18:
17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.

One thing is certain Apostle Paul was one of the few Apostles personally commissioned by our lord Jesus christ to preach the gospel and spread it to the utter most parts of the world as such we can always rely on his writtings to guide us. Evidently as far back as the time of the apostles false teachers were already introducing heretical teachings to make money and fleece the flock, hence the warning Paul gave above that christians should watch out for those teaching things contrary to the teachings of the apsotles As they never preached tithes rather they stated that church giving must be free will offerings without any form of obligation[2 cor9:7] contrary to compulsary tithing being preached by these crooks. It is quite evident from the scriptures that tithing is contrary to the teachings of the apostles, this automatically qualifies it as a false christian teaching and makes it a good example of what paul was warning us against in the above passage as it is quite evident that the tithes is in the personal interest of the charlatans that preach it. In summary the bible tells us to stay away from tithe preachers as they are not only fleecing you they are leading brethen away from the truth of christ's grace and salvation.



ps: People have accused me on this forum of being very vehement against tithes, this i accept. But as a true chrisitan i don't have a choice but to speak against evil especially if this evil is gaining prominence in the church of christ and is also cutting off christians from the grace and salavation of christ. In my next thread i would explain why it is very dangerous for christians to indulged in this demonic, oppressive and useless practise.

The bishop must be a real lunatic, that is apart from the fact that he is obviously a criminal. It is the likes of pastors like this that some of us have decided to stand up and fight for the faith. Every crook, unemployed graduate and demon possessed charlataans are now starting their own churches and branding an re-packaging themselves to attract more customers worshippers. Obviously this is a just a marketing strategy so he can have more people contributing tithes and offerings to his organization. All sorts of heretic doctrines keep on coming from these goons all in a bid to fleece the deluded flock. This heresies abound in several churches and some of them have been so firmly indoctrinated[i.e tithes] that when you point out to beleivers and show them biblical evidence that these heresies are just scams and they lack sound scriptural basis people find it hard to beleive becos they beleive their so called men of god can not deceicve them. They forget the bible warns of of several false prophets who would come with the sole purpose of making merchandise of them and fleecing them of their posseisions.

This Aloy emeka is a real complete idiot, i have been reading all the infiitely stupid and daft comments you posted on the Oledepo thread, do you have any brains in your skull at all or you are just a progammed auto response machine being used by crooked preachers to defend their rackets on nairaland. Marlon Jackson is definitely not a mechanic and he as been visiting Nigeria on business several times of recent, he and some of his friends are plannig to build a tourist resort in Badagry Lagos and his visit to Nigeria had absolutely nothing to do with TB Joshua. The below link with with a news story on Marlon's mission in Nigeria dated 16 February 2009 {several months even before michael's death proves my assertions} http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7858010.stm

@petres
I am not sure i get you here, even though i agree with you that Jesus is a deity and he is a God, i differ on the point of him being the God almighty. He revealed to us he is the son of God, the apostles also described him as the son likewise several other biblical pointers. The concept of trinity{three in one God} does not have sound biblical basis and was only introduced by the catholic into christianity in the 6th century AD. Scriptures were actually twisted to try and justify the trinity concept. I think it was brought about by over zealousness of some believers then which as been transmuted to nelievers to this day.

Pastor AIO:
@kunleoshob
Welcome back!

Thanx my brother, it is good to be back.

chukwudi44:
@Oladeegbu
Please dont try to introduce another heresy by incfreasing yout tithe heresy to 100%

Olaadegbu is already notorious for his heresies and twisting the bible to suit his whims and caprcies, we can only pray he repents so that his soul would not be damned as the bible warns in 2 peter2: 1-3.

chukwudi44:
how come we have daily,monthly and weekly tithing in today's christianity

Becos christianity as been highjacked by several gangsters who are care only about their own bellies. There were several prophesies in the bible that the faith would be highjacked by false teachers so you shouldn't be suprised.

I am shocked that despite all the exposition we have done on tithes and how it as been established several times on this forum that tithing as absolutely no basis in christianity some deluded freaks are still coming here to introduce unscriptural rantings and calling them standards all in the name of defending this 419 business callied tithes. One must euither be really brain dead or 100% possesed by the devil to still be defending this crime against christianity despite all the weight of evidence against it.

PS: I am back on nairaland and i am actually dismayed that despite all the truth that as been revealed on this forum about the fraudulent doctrine of tithes some quacks are still twisting the bible further and inventing and selecting "standards" in the bible, when would this 419 stop . Hence forth i would rededicate myself to exposing all the evil reminiscent with the preaching of tithing in christianity today, i would be using the harshest words to condenm it as the bible makes it clear to me that the preaching of the hersy is not only evil but it is demonis and it is designed to keep christians captive. It is totally against the teachings of christ and i would certainly make sure i expose the fraud as lots of christian are being led astray from the faith and being made to believe man made doctrines instead of holding on to the true faith.

@dadifixone
Having read your last post i see you have scaled down on you initial dogmatic approach to tithes and rescinded a bit on the heresy, i suspect this may partly be dues to the exposition i did on tithes and the several lessons i gave you on the topic, however you are still holding on to this false teaching albeit loosely hence your new definition of it. The truth is that tithing is absolutely irrelevant to christian hence the reason why the apostles that were mandated to establish christianity NEVER preached it, in fact they went on to annull it in Hebrews 7:5-19. Well i thank God for your life as i see you are gradually moving away from the deluded heretical doctrine.

@chukwudi
Keep up the good work and remain steadfast in your fight for the truth. I would be back full time very soon to join in the fight against "the crime against humanity" being perpetuated in the name of tithes. This evil doctrine must stop and all true christians should join in the crusade against it.

Yeah I am making money so I can pay up my several years arrears of tithing and contribute towards my G.O buying his own private jet.

@chukwudi44
I just read through your posts and I see you have been putting up a strong fight for the undiluted truth as regards the defunct practise of biblical tithing now corrupted by crooks and charlatans out to make a quick buck. May God bless your effort in revealing the truth to these lost souls who are being defrauded and raped by so called men of god in the name of tithes. I have been away from NL for a while due to business pressures, I hope to be back to join in the battle to redeem lost souls who think they can bribe their way to salvation through crooked preachers and pastors.

But christianity as a religion itself as been corrupted over the centuries and i am almost certain that pastor Joe himself is a part of the instituitionalized corruption.