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All kind of jewelry is permitted for women ify, tell AR to get you a platinum plus diamond ring Lols.

Generally gold is forbidden for men.

azharuddin:
“All humans are dead except those who have knowledge;
and all those who have knowledge are asleep, except those who do[b] good deeds[/b];
and those who do good deeds are deceived, except those who are sincere;
and those who are sincere are always in a state of worry.”
[said by Imam Shafi (rahimullah)]

May Allah bless his soul. These are are pearls on a marble, words that feel like food.
Inspirational words indeed

@zubeyr

Dear brother alihamdulilah with calmness we have both come to the same agreement- the headscarf is mandatory in Islam .
Your initial post might have been confusing to others who do understand hijab to mean the headscarf like majority of Muslims Arabic speaking and non Arabic speaking alike.

Please regarding usisky if you don't know he belongs to the dajal Rashad Khalifa's religion called the submission.

@ usisky
There is no point discussing the hijab issue with you as you don't grasp the Arabic. I would discuss with you inshallah on the debate thread though

@zubeyr

Dear brother pls calm down, inshallah we would arrive at the truth. My post was not directed at you in any way which makes wonder how you came to the conclusion that I was referring to you in particular. Brother a few people hold contrary views on the thread which includes usisky so I wonder why you personalised my post.

Brother we are saying the samething as regards the linguistic definition of hijab and if you read my post again you would see I called the hijab a veil and you call it a curtain which still means the same thing in principle.

What I would like to understand from you now is that is the covering of the head and bossom wajib in islaam ?

My post was trying to explain that the linguistic meaning of hijab is different from modern use of the word hijab. Hijab nowadays does not mean a veil but means headcover which is khimar. A veil which was compulsory on the wives of the prophet like you said is considered in modern terms as niqaab.

There is difference between linguistic meaning and current application of a word. Example in English would be gay which has linguistic meaning of being happy but nowadays the other meaning is wide used.

Another example in Arabic would be Zakah which literally means to purify but when we talk abor Zakah we know it is compulsory tax albeit to purify your wealth.

So when the poster asked if the hijab was mandatory I am 99% sure it meant if the khimar (headcover ) was mandatory in islam. If your answer to this is yes then we are on the same page alihamdulilah. But if your answer is no then we could discuss further to arrive at the truth.

kanmi22:
I have a question, how do someone plead to ALLAH after committing Zina? A friend told me that Nikkah is not blessed if Zina has been commited before marriage, Is that true? How can you rectify this? Even though this was with the guy you are getting married too.

Allah says in the quran
"And those who, when they have committed Fahishah (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allah and ask forgiveness for their sins; - and none can forgive sins but Allah - And do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know.
For such, the reward is Forgiveness from their Lord, and Gardens with rivers flowing underneath (Paradise), wherein they shall abide forever. How excellent is this reward for the doers (who do righteous deeds according to Allah's Orders)"

Sister the deed has been done and these are the words of Allah above. Even better you are marrying the guy . Rectification is in you having a real sense of regret which i can see you have and performing lots of good deeds to atone or expiate for your sins. No one has the right to say your nikkah would not be blessed but a really marriage of 2 people free from the burden of zina has abundant blessings.

Pray to Allah for forgiveness and ask for his blessings in your dua.

And God knows best

Salaam all.

Usisky i see you are back on NL, it has been 1 year since i last called you to a live debate and perhaps you could give me a time and date and i could free myself up to inshallah engage you in discussion and we could arrive closer to the truth.

Again i say:

Bismillahi Arahamani Raheem

Before we proceed on a time and date .

Please you want to use the quran strictly but before i can accept this i will like to know if you understand the arabic language. The quran wasnt revealed in english and we can never suceed in a debate using the quran in english language.

Also before i can accept to use the quran alone do you know anything of the following subject on the quran:

Naskh wa mansukh
Asbab nuzul
Balagha (arabic)
Nahw (arabic)
Adab

If you also accept you are a muslim , how many pillars are there in islam?

Please you could answer the questions and then we proceed on a day and time

@uplawal

Sister please can you drop me an email on lagosboynl@gmail.com.

Please i really need to understand some of your islamic positions and perhaps we could both enlighten ourselves more.

uplawal:
Again,theres no where in the Quran where Allah says women should not worship him with menses,He only said we should not have intimacy,and when he was explaining ablution he dnt mention menses as a thing that would make us not to rise up to do wudu to pray,rather,he said,if we made sexual ccontact,deficate,urine,fart

Sister please can you drop me an email on lagosboynl@gmail.com.

Please i really need to understand some of your islamic positions and perhaps we could both enlighten ourselves more.

Salaam to the folks in the house.

With all humilty and due respect to all the posters but i feel it is a sense of islamic duty to clear some air on some of the positions here.

All the major scholars of islaam right from the begining up until now have the unanimous opinion that the covering of the head and bossoms of a woman is compulsory in islaam. For some people to now hold contrary opinion and play liguistical gymnastics with the quranic arabic without fully grasping the language is a shame and they only have followers amongs non arab speaking folks.

True hijab does not literallymeans head cover but in the contaxt of today when hijab is mentioned it is meant a headcover. True the quran does not say women should wear hijab in its literal sense but the quran says women should wear a headcover and draw it over their bossoms. Also we should stop equating hijab to mean the veil in modern context as they mean different things. I would inshallah explain the definitions of the various terminology here like i have done in previous posts in the sisters thread.

Hijab: means a veil in arabic and in the context of the qur'an "O, believers enter not the dwellings of the Prophet, unless invited… And when you ask of his wives anything, ask from behind a hijab. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. Q33v 53

Khimar: is from the root word Kh Ma Ra and it literarily means to cover, but in practical definition it means a head cover. According to dictionaries it is defined as head cover as well. In the context of the qur'an it says in Q24 vs 31 "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent , and to draw their veils over Juyubihinna (i.e. bossoms.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands. [translation from Noble qur'an]
"wa liyadribna bikhumurina ala juyubihina" Q24 v31 . the word translated as veil is actually wrong and that is where some confusion lies to non arabic speakers. The word in that word khumurina which is the plural for khimar. Now after understanding that the word is head cover the verse should be translated as ". . . .draw their head cover over their juyubihinna "

Now after understanding the two definition it will be understood that what we generally call the hijab nowadays is actually khimar drawn to cover the chest, bossom etc.

Jilbab: is also a form of cloak and the quran says in 33 v 59 " Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks  all over their bodies . That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful."
The arabic word translated as their cloak is "jalabiybhinna" which is plural and singlur will be jilbab/jalbab.

From the three definition above: we can establish the reason why muslim women wear jalbab and wear the hijab which is khimar drawn over their bossom.

Nikab: literally means "to make a hole" contextually it means making a hole in aface cover so the eyes can see. I do not think exists in the quran linguistically(as far as i know) in relation to womens clothing but nikab is the veil which covers the face after you have worn the jalabab and the hijab. This is not compulsory in islam.

Burqa[b][/b]: linguistically refers to veiling the face as well. Practically nowadays, it is a single clothing comprising of khimar, hijab,jalbab,nikab - all in one. You wear it and all is covered, this kind is common in Afghanistan and might have been developed culturally and locally. It could be found in south west Nigeria and used by the women in "purdah- elehas". Again the burqa is not compulsory in islaam according to the majority of scholars.

I hope i have done a little explanation to the definition, anyother person could insha Allah shed more light on this.

And God knows best

LagosShia:
it would be more fitting to talk about unity with people of intellect and knowledge regardless whether or not we agree or disagree on certain issues.for you to bring your imaginations and consider them as facts and regard evidence i provide as fairy tales says it all.have you examined my fairy tales to find out whether or not these tales are copied from your own sunni books?what unity do you want when you are the one throwing the attacks and blacklisting me?i am only sharing in a civil way my beliefs backed with evience.you dont speak in the name of islam simply because you have recited shahada.aside,your claims against the shia is what blind people like you.you gave lies to blacklist others and put them outside the sphere of islam.if your words are true i would be the first to denounce shia islam.these are the lies that have gone for too long and used to discourage and scare people away.it has no meaning where you were born when you are lying.you are a liar and whoever taught you those lies,may Allah curse him forever and never forgive him.

Brother i feel your pain and I know emotions are rising but please never say what i emboldened as it is not of islam. Allah ta'ala called himself Ghafurun , Raheemun and the discretion to forgive solely lies with him. We as muslims should NEVER make that kind of dua, i understand you have said it under emotional anger but please retract it and may Allah forgive us all.

lastly to prevent this arguements let us rest shia - sunni divisions as we are never going to solve it here neither are we going to benefit but what we will achieve is sunni - shia fight of a lesser scale to what happened in Iraq while the enemies of islam sit back and laugh at us.

The historiical events we are ready to die for never happened before your eyes nor my eyes, these events were not recorded in the quran as it was after the prophets PBUH death. Why not let us hold unto to our various understandings and add the clause "Wallahu A'lam - And God knows best".

Again i call you with all humility to let us unite on what we agree upon Tawheed, Salah, Ramadan, Zakah, Hajj and many other things and let uis leave our disagreements which all stems from historical events.

I wish you Gods blessings.

ifyalways:
Lazy me,for where?
Im still reciting in English ooh.
Hymen,Sallams.Long time.

Take your time Ify ans Rome was not built in a day. However you could memorisesurah fatiah and surah ikhlas to use during your salah. Those two surahs could be memorised in few days at most believe me and that is if you have not already.

illusion2:
@Lagosboy or any other learned ustaz,please help me with this.

I have always been informed that it is haram for women to pray in front of or around men- both for moral & spirutual reasons.

However during the hajj,I see pictures of this happening rampantly i.e women doing salat near the Ka'abba with men all around them.

Now tell me is this right? Are these women not defiling the poor men postrating to Allah behind them??

Thank you for your enlightenment.

It is not haraam for a woman to pray around men , neither is it haraam for a woman to pray where there are men. What is not allowed is women praying in front of men in a congregational prayer. A typical congregational prayer has an imam in front, men behind, children behind the men and women behind the children.

IFY if i remember vividly asked this question earlier on in the thread and i remember answering her, it should be btw pages 2 and 5.

In the case of hajj , there are many exceeptions and perhaps your questions should have been intermingling between men and women. During hajj congregational prayersthere are spaces for women in a separate place and the circcumbulating round the ka'abah is a different thing if that is what you mean.

hymen:
Interesting question from illusion . Why then do people talk as if the heavens will come down if a woman prays in front of a man,when its happen right at the cradle of Islam?

I don't agree too that God will not listen to the prayer of a woman on her period,another fallacy without basis.

It is indeed a fallacy and there is no where in islam that says a woman on her period cannot supplicate to her creator neither can i remember anyone saying that on this thread. If it is the obligatory salah you mean then a woman is excused from her obligations if she is on her period.

Imam Mahdi yes!!

But according to the sunni school of aqeedah, there is nothing like the 12th imam.

The 12th imam doctrine stems from the twlevers branch of shias and that is a discussion for another day.

@uplawal if you are sunni which i presume you are then your statement should have been imam Mahdi and not the 12th imam. Howver we do not ait for him before we rise up to the challenges of our time. May Allah unify our ranks.

ifyalways:
lolz.
In that case,both of u are suspects until further notice.
Welcome back bro,I almost missed u. :PIncluding her own simple duahs?

nah never give up your simple and complex duas in fact increase your duah and dhikr.

Suspects ke . . . no luck in the course of hunting

azharuddin:
Good to see you back.

Jazakallah khair bro. Thanx for all the good contribution

mukina2:
I just weak

i think its time i take permanent leave of this section

una enjoy

Why you go leave ? That was not our agreement in karaiba avenue lols

uplawal:
Allah says stay off salat.

Some scholars says,kick on,based on Aisha

is Her opinion better than Allah's judgement?


NO NO,


A woman is supposed to stop all obligatoryif she's in that impurity state

Sister how are your and husband.  

Haba nah why would i say some scholars say do otherwise to what Allah said. I said period kicks in during hajj not salah and i have even not said i subsribe to the opinion.

This is something i always try to avoid as it leads to no where.

There has been differences between the shias and the sunni for about 1350 years and there will always be difference albeit diffeence of undrstanding and iterpretation of historical events.

Brother Lagos shia,in my humble opinion this kind of forum is not the best to try to explain shia doctrine as it will degenarate into arguements and counter arguements and your message rather than lead to understanding will further confuse folks. The muslims here are few and trying to understand the basics of their deen and also the non muslims are trying to understand islam. Adding another sects belief into the frame in my humble opinion will lead no where.

I tust your intentions are genuine and you want to explain the fundamnetals of shia doctrine  but if your audience dont even understand the fundamentals of sunni doctrine which they belong how can they ask real questions or understand where you are comming from.

Brother i am for unity amongst muslims and your username itself doesnt help matters why not call yourself lagos muslim as i believe you are first muslim before being shia or sunni.  Let us talk on what we agree upon like the quran, the five pilaars of islam etc and leave out the historical diferences that did not happen beofre you or me's eyes . We only rely o hisotory books that could be corrupted for all  i care and that way we could narrow our differences and both move closer to the truth.

And God kows est.

@IFY

No luck regarding the hunting i need to acquire better hunting skills and night vision goggles. Well, i am back to base alihamdulilah!

Regarding your query as to periods and prayer, I think Muhsin and xoxo have addressed it. Just to butress their arguement, during periods you could engage in dhikr as much as u can and you could supplicate from "that wonderful book". You could recite the quran quietly from memory and if there is a case of neccesity like exams etc you could handle the quran, some use gloves.

Period doesnt cut a lady from God it hold excuses herfrom the daily rituals of salah or ramdan and if you areon hajj and your period kicks in, some scholars have said you could carry on based on a hadith repored by Aisha when she went on hajj with the prophet.

N.B I saw Mukina at her base during my hunting lols.

Ameeen.

May Allah reward you all for your duas and support.

With wet eyes i write this because i just dashed in on NL to see how the section is going n donly to see this thread by chance.

I am very grateful to all for your duas and support messages. I do appreciate it and may Allah in his infinite mercies have mercy on his soul and bless him, grant him forgiveness and expiate his sins by mercy.

I was very close to him, he prayed jumah on friday, joked with people at the masjid , the imam said he gave some sadaqah to the masjid, and he saw he giving sadaqah to the less privileged. He died later that evening friday after asr and before maghrib.

May Allah expand his grave , illuminate it and grant him wonderful and blessed companions in the grave.

Jazakallah khair to all and may Allah forgive all the dead muslims

illusion2:
Is this part of your faith or arab culture ? I will be happy to know how our ancestors dealt with all these issues(divorce ,marriage etc).

We all seem to have relegated our traditions to the background & took on other cultures as ours with the belief its divinely inspired.

I wonder who inspired Yoruba,Igbo,Hausa,Ibibio culture & traditions

Eyan mi  just very briefly as i really dont want this polygamy issue drag again. In usul ul fiqh (principles of islamic jurispudence) we have some basic criteria for laws, one of the criteria is what we call ourf (local customs and tradition). Islam respects customs and tradition but there is a condition attached to it which is it that it should not violate any islamic principles. polygamy was arab culture, polygamy is yoruba culture same as african culture , polygamy was european culture, polygamy was jewish culture etc. Islam only regulated it and set out guidance to promote fairness, justice and equity.

My saying polygamy is part of our faith means polygamy is allowed in islam and monogamy as well is allowed. Both monogamy and polygamy has conditions atached to them.

In the name of Allah the most Gracious the most merciful

The prophet PBUH said in a hadith " I guarrantee a house in the outskirts of Paradise for one who leaves off arguing even if he is in the right . . ."

@Zubeyr
I suggest we let this issue rest.

@Ify
Please could you proceed with your queries if you have any and may Allah continue to illuminate our hearts.

ifyalways:
@bolded,not in this generation anymore,no one wants to share.IMO
@Lagosboy,I noticed it seems u personally dont like Pre-nip
Anyways,sometimes it looks like a bad idea,as if one is waiting someday for the marriage to break up,then pick up whatever is due for him/her and find his way.lol
Personally,i did not do the pre-nup thing but i have friends who did,from every story they told me,it seems they are not too comfortable with it ie the ladies.I dunno why
AR, think of another wifey? Allah ki aiye .Nice to know.

It is not like i dont like pre nup but we have already established structures and principles in islaam. This current pre nup is all abour assets division and greed IMO.
With all these pre nup divorce rate is so high and of what use is going to a marriage with a set mind of one leg in and one leg out.

Dont worry AR will not get another wifey U no get rival madam habeeah

zubeyr:
@ IFFy
Whatever agreement between you and your husband before entering the fold of Islam is not acceptable Islamically
I suggest to go to the Mosque and get married again according to Islamic rules

Brother Zubeyr let us thread softly , please what is your evidence for the bolded part. Is this your personal thought or has any islamic basis.

@Zubeyr

My dear bro i really do not like to drag issues here continuosly especially as others reading the posts might get confused rather than enlightened. The beauty of islamic fiqh is sometimes its diversity and prularity of of views relating to application and implementation of islamic teachings while the principles remain constant.

Firstly as regards polygamy, i live in the west and i am tired of muslims arguing polygamy from a defensive and apologetic stance. You said  :

zubeyr:
Regarding the Polygamy I can understand if someone from a polygamous background can take the issue personal but not to extent of  mischaracterization from what I understand from you the aim of the verse in your view is only to marry two three or four
The verse of polygamy came in time where the Arabs can take as many wives as they want some of the companions of the Prophet PUH had up to
twenty wives so the aim of the verse mostly was to outlaw this practice and to put a limitation to the numbers of wives one can marry
The companions of the Prophets PUH and his KHALIFS    Abu bakr Omar Ousmane and Ali never rush to get more wives and  by the way none of them were in  polygamous marriage neither the daughters of the Prophets Zainab, Rakiyyah, UM Kelthum or Fatima Zahra 
The verse 3 of surat Al Nisa gives permission of polygamy to man but it restricts the maximum numbers of wives at four the permission is also subject to the provisio that the husband must do justice with all wives "ADL"or Justice used in this verse has not been defined however all commentators of the Koran unanimously hold that justice in this verse means equal treatment i n food clothing and lodgement but some consider that in addition to food clothing and lodging there must be equal treatment allotted for love and affection also
The Koran in its verse 129 surah Al Nisaa holds that you can't deal equally with all your wives however much you wish from this veridict of the Koran
( which is in fact true statement of human nature ) and the linking of the permission with the condition of justice some scholars believe that monogamy is the rule in Islam while polygamy is the exception

Firstly there is no personalisation of views here as if you would like to know I am from a monogamous home and my parents have been married for 40 years with my mum being the only wife of my dad.

To your posts , my dear brother Please let us do some independent study of the deen from scholars rather than take what we hear in the public without evidences. Your statement saying the caliphs never rushed to marry other wives is a bit of disrespect to these noble men as you are saying they did not rush to practice a sunnah of the prophet PBUH. What makes it more sad is that the statement is not true , Ali RA had four wives after the death of Fatima Zahra and he had about 20 children well documented in the Islamic texts.

Abu bakr had three wives while the prophet PBUH was alive and one of them lived on the outskirts of Medinah and it was in her house he was at the time the Prophet PBUH died which was the reason he was a bit late to the masjid when the prophet died. Umar RA had in total about seven wives but it was four at a time as he divorce two of them and one was during jahliyyah. Umar was married to umm kulthum who was the daughter of Ali as well, he had 12  children in total.

My dear brother, knowledge is power and light and we should never say things we have no knowledge about. Regarding scholars saying the preference of islam is monogamy and polygamy is an exception, this idea only developed in the last 40-70 years by muslim apologetics, because if you go into the texts of all the classical books you would never find this there. Go read all the books of tafseer of the verse 129 in Q4 you would see what scholars wrote in there. How can it be an exception when almost all the companions had more than one wife, how could it be an exception when the quran truly capped a limit to the excessive number of wives of the arabs. Polygamy is part of our faith, it is not compulsory and a matter of choice whoever wants to do it let him and whoever doesn’t want it should not. What we should never do is to subtly discourage it by saying it is an exception without basis.

Regarding pre nup of assets, again brother let us not confuse issues here. Will is different from pre nup. I think we should define what a pre nuptial agreement is first before we understand what we are talking about. Like I said pre nuptial agreement in western terms mainly refers to division of assets and spousal support. If this is what you say is allowed in islam as regards to assets division then let us analyse it. Islam has divorce methodology already; islaam has already protected women regarding maintenance following a divorce etc.

What exactly is the purpose of a pre nup relating to assets sharing except in the context of the western courts that split assets of couples. We muslims and scholars should stop looking at every issue in the context of western society. Islam already has structures and proceedings regarding this matter which is why I keep saying islam is a complete package, we should take and practice everything. Regarding pre nup of sharing the cooking and household chores, honestly it is from muslims in the west I have seen this sort of triviality. Why should we be trivializing marriage and the very essence of love and affection by having a contract as to who would cook and who would sweep the floor. Where is the trust? where is the love, where is the understanding and where is the sense of security a couple should have in a marriage. Is there security in a piece of contract, when one thing is broken the next thing is divorce?

Pre nuptial agreement again I say is allowed in islam broadly speaking but we have to understand what is contained in the contract to be able to determine is permissibility.  Scholars of essence and spirituality who understand the spirit of Islamic teachings would not sign trivial pre nups like cooking etc. However agreement relating to location change could be mutually agreed before marriage.
And God knows best.

zayhal:
@Lagosman I usually like the way you answer questions (objectively) in spite of myself.

I don't agree that women claim to be wiser than Allah (audhubillah) if they opt out of polygamy, really. I know of a sister who didn't really bother when her husband took a second wife but later confessed to me (after she divorced) that she couldn't bear it whenever she saw her husband entering the other's apartment as she used to imagine what was going on there. The long and short of it is that it was her father who went to move her things out of the husband's house when they saw traces of 'colo-mentality' in her.

Some women know they'll commit more sins in a polygamy setting out of jelousy and/or hatred so they choose to opt out.

What a shame! I feel for the sister and may Allah ease her burden and ease her pain. My claim was never to accuse women of claiming to be wiser than Allah in anyway. What i meant was you have the option of opting out of a marriage already set out in the quran. We do not need to pre program ourselves of opting out of a marriage you have not even gone into. This kind of agreement leads to more stress for the woman as she has inserted the clause into the contract thinking that it will deter the husband from doing such. However this contract is really a plus for the husband if we look at it in more detail.

Some men are players and will be happy to keep exchanging women in the name of marriage and would be happy for the wife to invoke the clause so he could have one woman at a time which means less expenses etc. Believe me i have seen men change wives like changing cars. The crux of my arguement is Allah has protected women and islam is a complete package which when a structure is not upheld others might fall like a pack of cards.
Divorce is permitted for a woman with or without the contract, why should we allow our women pre program themselves to the notion of divorce when a sunnah is practised. A woman could talk her husband out of polygamy, she could practise it and if she feels she cannot cope she could opt out of the marriage. However , pre programming means a threat to the husband that "i will leave if you take another wife" . If you fall into the hands of a man who is not really sincere with his lord and himself, such a man would trigger the woman invoking the clause herself and it would be like "she wanted the divorce not me" when he really wanted to divorce her because he has seen a more attractive woman outside,

I hope you understand my point of view sister zayhal, above all duah is a powerful tool to deal with all these problems for or lord indeed hearkens to the call of his slaves when the call unto him.

And God knows best.

I wonder why anyone would reckon with what a terrorist state that specialises in piracy without any rules of engagement says about terrorism. MEND has indeed brought shame to Nigeria and shame we dont have a govt who could stand for us. We have no national carrier , it is only the poor pilgrims that would feel the pains of this but the could seek other alternatives like someone here suggests.

zayhal:
about the prenuptial agreement, a lot of scholars do not hold the position you hold here. most of them say it's a quranic verse and anyone who says he/she doesn't agree with it is going against what Allah enjoins. Personally, it confuses me as we do not have any clear verse from the quran or any Islamic history to point at (as far as I know) where a woman and her husband held this pre-nuptial agreement and the man upheld it. This would have made it easier to have a firm position on the issue.

Now my own question is this: if the wife didn't know about this pre-nup till after the wedding and she wishes to have it with her hubby, is she allowed to still do it? or how does she go about it?

Sister , if she is in the marriage she cannot change the goalpost when the football agme has started lols . Having said this a woman still has the right to divorce in islaam annd can explore the legal option if she chooses to divorce based on whatever reason she chooses. This pre nup (polygamy) is trouble and chaos as a woman could divorce already with or without this pre nup.

Why would any pious woman want to make haraam what Allah made halaal on her husband , why would any pius woman want to make haraam what the wives of the prophet did, why would any pious woman want to prohibit what most of the companions did. Are they claiming to be wiser than Allah who allowed it to protect women in general ?

Our dear Habeebah

My humble take on this issue of pre nup polygamy is i incline with the scholars who have rejected this notion in its entirety and i respect the opinion of those who have said a woman could choose to opt out of the marriage.

To your personal question Habeebah and subject to me consulting more learned scholars on this issues. However the marriage contract you had was probably based on civil vow or christian vows. Both of you are now muslims and the only agreement that stands is your vow to be husband and wife and the dowry. OThers things like polygamy etc is not subject to those vows as you now accept that the quran in syour guide, that your lord is Allah that the sunnah of the prophet PBUH is your way. If AR says he wants a second wife you cannot invoke your vows as christians to stop him as that would be double standard and believing in a part of islam and rejcting some part the quran says " Enter into islam whole heartedly".

Your second question as to when the divorce clause is included in the contract and th ehusband chooses to get a second wife, they would not be commiting aldultery in any way as the taking of the second wife does not invalidate the marriage. What invlaidates the marriage is when the husband pronounces the divorce or when the shariah council or court dissolves the marriage. It is the wifes choice to either use the clause at the shariah court to invalidate the marriage.


The man is in no way dishounoring the contrat if he takes another wife as like i said the contract can never be valid in islam if it states that the husand cannot marry a second wife. LEt us be clear on this again this pre nup agreement relating to polygamy sounds like this " I have a right to file for a divorce if my husband decides to take another wife". It is that . The agreement does not prohibit the man but what it does is gives the woman the option to opt out of the marriage or stay if she so pleases.

The contract of marriage needs two witnesses for it to be valid and the marriage is called aqd which is to tie a knot on something based on an agreement for them to be husband and wife.

Please my poeple this pre nup relating to polygmay and wife optinog out should be threded with caution as there is so much trouble relating to it. There is no gurantee that the second husband of the wife would not marry again. She divorces him and marries a third who might do the same and thre is no end in cycle. If required we could take time to explain the benefits and positives of polygamy and address the potential pitfalls and misconceptions.

For the sake of information it should be noted that also there could be a pre nup where the wife gives up some of her rights like rights to maintencce , right to eual number of days as other wifves etc. Such was the case of one of the wives of the prophet who gave up her night rights to Aishah as she was a bit old but just wanted to be a wife to the prophet PBUH . In the middle east some of the richer women who do not have husbands go into this kind of marriage with men and waive their rights to maintenance as they are richer than the men but just want husbands of their own. etc . it is called zawaajun misyaar.

And Allah knows best

In the name of Allah most gracious most merciful.

Pre nupital agreement in every culture is a very wide concept and before we can make a headway in this we have to be specific as to what kind of pre nupital agreement are we talking about. In the west pre nuptial agreement deals mainly with assets and wealth sharing in case of a divorce or death. If this is what we are talking about then it cannot really be part of islam as the quran has already spoken on inheritance , wealth sharing in divorce etc.

If the pre nupital agreement deals with polygamy, my dear brother Zubeyr i think you are mixing the issue here. Some scholars have the opinion that a woman could include it in a contract of marriage for her to have the right to divorce if the husband takes a second wife but NO scholar can say it is allowed in the contract for the wife to refuse the husband the right to take another wife. The issue here is simple , no one can make haraam what Allah has made halal for us in the quran.

Again bro zubeyr please let us be careful here when we talk about polygamy in the quran, you cannot say the quran emphasizes the preference of one as there is no basis for that. In fact if anything the quran encourages more than one wife because the quran starts with " Marry two, three or four . . . ." and then gave a clause that if you fear injustice then you better stick to one. The preference is clear and the condition for not marrying more than one is also clear. Some would then rush to say but no one can do justice so why should we marry more than one. Also Allah has an answer for those people in the same surah chapter 4 but the verse is 129

"You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire, so do not incline too much to one of them (by giving her more of your time and provision) so as to leave the other hanging (i.e. neither divorced nor married). And if you do justice, and do all that is right and fear Allâh by keeping away from all that is wrong, then Allâh is Ever Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful "

From the above verse we understand that justice is Allahs name and no one can do perfect justice on earth which is why Allah is explaining the meaning of the justice he talked about in Q4v3. The arabic word used in this verse is "Lan" a nd when lan is used in the quran it means absolute never which is different from lam which means never but maybe could happen.

The other issue is maitenence of the wife by the husband. I agree the husband is responsible in islam for the wifes upkeep. The wife should also be reasonable in her demands and understand the husbands situation. Islaam does not give backing to a wife asking for a divorce just ecause of a financial status change in her husband neither does islaam encourages the husband to be miserly towards his family. Everything should be balanced.

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Your question if i remember is specific to pre nup - wills and inheritance.
As far as i know and aware the quran has spoken on inheritance and the verses are so much i cannot quote them here but reading the last 20 -30 verses of surah baqrah Q2 explains inheritance.
Pre nup regaridng wealth sharing would not be persimble in my humble opinion . If the pre nup you mean is of a diffenrent one then please clarify because islam does not suppoirt blanket pre nups we have to understand the specific contents of the pre nup before we could see if it is persiblle in islaam.

And God knows best.

bishop kay:
you are all shouting CRUCIFY CECILIA IBRU!!!!!!!! have you ever thought of our so called politicians who loot government and how many of them have been sent to jail?

the 150 billion is money lent out without collateral! so those properties/assets are rightly hers and not gotten through mainly fraud.

IF NAIJA IS NOT A ROT OF A COUNTRY, MOST OF OUR SO CALLED POLITICIANS SHOULD AS WELL BE IN JAIL.

SO PLS LEAVE HER IN PEACE.

You obviously dont understand what fraud means in management , or what gross abuse of office means, or what negelect of procedure means. You obviously also love the greedy fat ugly woman more than herself as she pleaded guilty to crime and you are alleging she did not get the wealth through fraud. She offered to forfeit those ill gotten wealth and you are here making some statements.

Please reason with me Cecilia is worse than Shina Rambo , Anenie put together.