₦airaland Forum

Splinz:
Like I did say in that thread, it depends on your relationship "status"- defined or undefined. Why are you in the relationship; for lust, love, friendship/companionship, marriage, etc? Also, what are the agreement/rules?

For instance, we're in love. An naturally as it always tend to lead, we promised to remain true to our love by being faithful to each other. And next on the line as it is common, we're planning marriage. But before I knew it, you woke up one morning and said, "I'm sorry, I can't continue in this relationship anymore", just like that.

What!??

Yes, truth is, you've broken our agreement & trust. In our internal court of justice, you've "used & dumped" me! And no matter the rational behind your decision, I'd naturally feel "used"!

NOTE: This is what I think of this topic. It does not applies to me, just an example.

100%

Also, if we are to be committed in a serious relationship let it be clear.

Some people automatically expect certain things or in fact make demands of the other person without prior communication on what exactly is going on between them

heryurh:
Why the fvck wld he host a free show in UK when he's yet to do that in the roots from which he sprung

Nigerian artists are banging in the UK

They get more money from single shows in a city like London than multiple shows all over Nigeria

There's nothing wrong with appreciating his fans (most of whom are Nigerians) in London

samuk:
Basically the doubters are arguing that the Guinness Book of Records don't know what they are talking about, I don't blame you guys because in Nigeria anything goes without verification, for your information Guinness Book of Records will not put anything down in their records without some form of verification.

Prove this please

Cus I have not come across any Guinness world record on Bini wall

I hate hypocrisy. You cannot say I'm talking without verification when you are the only one without verification

mars123:
even on Wikipedia it is written below that the current china wall undergoes remodelling , rebuilding and elongation to it's current size of 21000km while the benin wall destroyed since 1874 stood at a length of 16000km making it the longest man made structure at that time. Imagine if that empire exist today , the size it will be to accommodate for growth and population expansion .

And it's impossible because the wall only covered bini city , a 16,000km length is far outrageous for a small city like bini city

At the 19th century, we had no figure for the length of the bini wall.
The 16,000km is only suggested, a suggestion based on no concrete theory

erico2k2:
The wall of china is 21,000km long built over 2000 years.
13,170 miles (21,196 kilometers)

The total length of the Great Wall of China building in different dynasties is 13,170.69 miles (21,196.18 kilometers), announced by China's State Administration of Cultural Relics in 2012. The length of the Great Wall of Ming Dynasty (1368-1644) was 5,500.3 miles (8,851.8 kilometers) from Hushan in Liaoning to Jiayuguan Pass in Gansu on April 18 in 2009.
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/china_great_wall/facts/how-long.htm

And Bini wall was estimated to 16,000km
Estimated (obviously exaggerated)

The moats were to cover a single city
Benin city is not particularly large

mars123:
I don't blame you, I blame the education Nigeria offered you. For your information, the Benin wall was 4 times longer.

Prove it.. provide the length of the wall of China and that of the Bini moat

AmoryBlacq:
One thing I love about the benin Kingdom is their rich cultural heritage

So many other ethnic groups today have their roots to the binis or once being ruled by the binis

Yoruba for instance, no matter how they try to deny it

Benin was the first city visited in Nigeria by the europeans

Ruy de Sequeira 1472

and later Affonso de Aviero 1484

so sad their powers could not withstand the crown firing arms in 1897


long live the great Oba of Benin

In order not to let gullible people get the wrong impression, you should have said "some eastern Yoruba"

The likes of Ilaje, Itsekiri, Owo, Ikale, Akoko and some parts of Ekiti ...this is where it ends.. I won't add Akure or Ondo because both kingdoms were in constant battles with Bini that there was never a significant period of Bini sovereignty. I won't add Lagos either because the only part held under Bini is the Enuwa area at the end of Aworiland

dejavski:
The major reason why most ppl disagree with naming the country Oduduwa republic is because he is not d founder of the Yoruba race. A more suitable name would be accepted. Mind u some yorubas are not direct descendants of Oduduwa.

It doesn't matter if he is a direct ancestor or not. In yoruba culture a king is the father of the people

In fact I have recently been informed that "Owa" (the title of many eastern yoruba kings) means Father... I don't know how true but we also see how "attah" means father in Igala (a people of very close common ancestry with Yoruba). Even though the attahs are of jukun origin

Oduduwa is the father figure of all Yoruba, a revolutionary leader, a unifier, King of the source. Most towns and cities in yorubaland are founded by his sons or Princes who trace their lineage to his sons.
Even itsekiri cannot deny his significance, from their Ijebu and Bini heritage they possess a connection to the man oduduwa even more than groups like Awori and Okun.

Opiletool:
This is why I don't really regard oduduwa as the primogenitor of the Yoruba race. According to some history, ugbo (or any town that starts with igbo in yoruba) and was founded by Obatala when he was angry at the fact that oduduwa was crowned over some elders, the likes of him, obaluaye and so on. He left ile ife with his pple and founded ugbo. I think that submission is from Prof Odia Ofeimun

Ugbo and Mahin were founded by Obamakin(brother of Obatala) lineage

Opiletool:
Bini itself has Yoruba influence. They worship Okun (whom was the first wife of oduduwa that was later deified, a common practise in the Yoruba land, I.e osun, oba, osa, oya, are all women deified by naming a river or stream or ocean after each of them). I think they also worship esu, who also was a Yoruba man back then. I stand to be corrected.

Almost all of Bini Gods are of Ilaje and Ife origin, from Olokun to Osun to Ogun to Ayilala. They also have Ifa (called Iha)
Only the supreme God - Osanobua is native

BabaRamota1980:
Hey Rossikki,

Be warned! Yoruba guys dont compromise on stories of our origin at all. We know who we are...from top (Ooni) to individual family compound (Oriki). We have never heard of Jew in our myths, our divinities (400+), our civilization, our oral accounts, our written narratives, our dynasties or in our spiritualism.

Dont start what you cant finish. Do not repeat this error again. You hear?

The guy is a big fool. A buffon that acts like he has something in the head

How he glorifies himself as a researcher is an insult to historical and anthropological research

A person that doesn't know Yoruba follows traditions like Oriki, ese-ifa etc to tell our history cannot taken be seriously

Rossikki:
Yorubas - Sons of Ephraim


As stated in my books regarding the Igbos, the father of the Yoruba people, Oduduwa traveled with Gad’s sons, Eri, Areli and Arodi from North Africa, likely Egypt and settled in what today is known as Nigeria. This would coincide with Yoruba oral history that they believe to come from outside of West Africa and thus it would be no surprise that we might find Israelites, Hebrews and Jews among the Yoruba.

Oduduwa was said to be a descendant of Ham, through Nimrod also called Lamurudu, this according to Yoruba Christian Samuel Johnson in 1880. Sultan Bello, Caliph of Sokoto was quoted in 1820 by Hugh Clapperton to have said that the Yoruba people were descendants of a Canaanite tribe. And S.O. Obiaku a Nigerian Historian claimed the Yoruba’s to originate from the Sudan or what was known as Cush/Kush (Ethiopia).

However, some say “Yoruba” is a corruption of the name “Jacob” or in Hebrew, “Yacob.” Others assert that Yoruba is from “Yerubbaal,” the “People of Baal.”

But the current Yoruba Jewish population who claim to come from the Israeli tribe of Ephraim was said to have been driven to Yorubaland from Morocco by Muslims and eventually mingled with Yoruba people. These black Jews in southern Nigeria are called the "Emo Yo Quaim", or "Strange People", by the native Africans, but these black Jews call themselves, "B'nai Ephraim" or "Sons of Ephraim". These Jews who claim that their ancestors came from Morocco is supported by their language which appears to be a mixture of Maghrebi Arabic and local Negro speech. Thus abu (father) has become Yaaba, from the Hebrew word “Abba” and “Umm” (mother) is “Em” from the Hebrew, "Ima". Nevertheless, most of their language is similar to the Yoruba’s around them.

These Yoruba, “Sons of Ephraim” observe certain Jewish customs, among which are the great holy days, naming of children on the 8th day, etc. In almost every way, these black Jews are like the Yorubas, and are hardly distinguishable from them, except for some outstanding Hebrew observances.

But there is doubt whether any from this group exists today among the Yoruba.


There is a clan among the Yoruba People called the "Ijeeu," which is believed to be a corruption of the word “Hebrew” or “Jew.” They are looked down upon by the rest of the Yoruba for displaying Igbo-like character and traits, one of which is business prowess. There is even a town in Yorubaland called, "Ijuee-Igbo." Much if the Ijeeu people resent and deny this connection with them and Ndi Igbo.

http://www.hebrewigbo.com/yoruba---sons-of-ephriam.html

Shut the fucck up! Stop spreading nonsense about the yoruba
We have no tradition of coming from outside West Africa

Claims of outside West Africa are not traditional but misguided recent hypothesis from pseudo-historians who refuse to be initiated

I don't know if you guys realized this but that map was made with a computer. Therefor that map was made after the creation of computers, therefor not in 1780. Conclusion: the map is fake !
There was never any oyo empire, there was a small oyo kindom which got partially overran by the fulani.
The only empire in the south was the Benin empire. There are actual pre-colonial maps of the Benin empire.
I urge the 419 guys to stop producing fakes, I really don't see the point ! frica is becoming the laughing stock of the world because you guys take great pleasure in trashing you history rather than cherishing it.

Another useless buffon from Bini

See haters everywhere yet this boy from Ojuelegba is successful with the "trash"

SUNNYsparkle:
Hahahahaha... How long did the journey take him? Na leg or plane he use come? Na you be the pilot? So he came all the way from Axum passed many kingdoms and empires just for the purpose of dislodging the Igbo people/Obatala group he met and just to set up an Ife kingdom. Please common sense points to Benin city which existed before he came to present Ife. He came from Benin. It is as simple as that

LOL. So he came all the way from bini just to dislodge the Ugbo. How long did it take him to reach ife, train or leg?

Your sense is nothing common. Oduduwa has nothing to do with Bini. And Bini elders know this, but inferiority complex has finished them totally

Oduduwa came from oke-ora

Enuguboy4nsk:
he is right.

Even Enugu state too will lose out because there us nothing being produced in Enugu here... coal is already obsolete and no good market or industries large enough to meet up with the state needs .


truth is that more than 30 Nigerian states will suffer.

Umahi is only being truthful and real...states like Ekiti;Osun;kwara will even be worse BC at least Ebonyi has Agriculture which the aforementioned states lacked.


Dont insult...just bring up a superior argument if u have one

modified**


for those quoting me wrongly..Nigeria looks uninterested in coal esp when there is abundant gas to generate electricity.Don't you guys also know that Ebonyi has the oldest and largest cement factory in west Africa including other mineral deposit yet IGR is low



take for instance Imo state iGR (2016) is 5billion
divide 5 billion by their population which is 3.9million and you will see that IGR doesn't reflect the true thing esp when considering the population there

Lmao. This one say Ekiti doesn't have agriculture

SirWere:
This is one of the limitations of not being in a separate Oodua nation, I suppose. We don't even acknowledge Yorubas in Benin Republic much talkess of Brazil.


It's a pity though, we can use the strength of these Cultural relationships to build trade bridges into South America and speed up National Development.

true. I've always maintained the stand that a Sovereign or at least Autonomous Yoruba Nation would help Yorubas mentally and socioculturally (economically as well but I won't go into that) as we would be open to the world as a people of our own. The awareness of "Yoruba brotherhood" all over the world will be in full force

SirWere:
I feel we ignore the link between us and Yorubas in the Caribbean and South America too often.



Respect to the man.

Sadly true.

We need to create bridges with our brothers across the Atlantic

dingbang:
Lol... It was stated clear that the lord rested on the sabbath day and that no one Should do any form of work on that day..


Sex wasn't part of it.

Sabbath day is a Jewish tradition

And it's Friday evening to Saturday evening

Christians are so ignorant on the history and origin of their religion and beliefs yet hold on to these beliefs so obsessively... you people aren't okay in the head honestly

itsekiri would be inclined to join Yoruba or if at sight, a Niger delta Republic. I personally would love a Yoruba nation with the itsekiri

Akoko-edo, owan, etsako areas are certain to join Yoruba

lenghtinny:
Oga you dey Jones seriously... Wizkid should be worshipping drake because that his backup on one dance opened doors for him on the international scene. But now he is already feeling himself when he hasn't even lived up to the billing.
Come closer is just another wizkid mediocre that was rescued by drake. If not the song would have been a just there record like daddy yo. Besides come closer is not even a smash hit and you are hyping it unnecessarily.

You are talking nonsense. In commercial music, it's all about those higher than you opening the doors for you. If drake thought wizkid wasn't worth it, he wouldn't work with him for 3 good times.


It's not a smash where you are. In the international scene it's given wizkid all the attention, countless american radio calling wizkid for interviews, the lot of them know only him from the entire Nigeria, some know only him and Tuface. Clubs all over Europe, jamming to his tracks

GeniusDavid:
Usually I don't comment on this kind of things but I prefer Davido over him. At least Davido doesn't need a feature to make a hit song. Wizkid has been working with lots of international acts but his only hit song has to come closer. His average imo.

Ojuelegba, Come closer are bigger than anything davido has
We might also add wizkids feature in One dance

Foxrain:
How many of his songs where he was fronted as the lead and not a feature has made waves in the USA?
I don't even think you know the meaning of making waves.

closer alone kills davidos career

shadrach77:
Wizkid...a has been. The international artistes he is running after don't even give a hoot about him. What success has he made internationally? Òdè!

He's making waves in the US

KingSango:
Again there is no Ile Ife empire never has been and never will be. There is only Oyo Empire, therefore only the Alaafin has ruled over the largest segment of Yorubas, all at sometimes, most at others and now less because of the fall of Oyo. Ase.

Shut up. You aren't even Nigerian

9jakool:
Just beautiful! You know your stuff. It's almost as if I'm staring at myself in a mirror. I wanted you to keep rambling because your words are just spot on. I've familiarize myself with every corner of Yorubaland including dialects and traditions.

Yes you are right about Owo and Oyo. Do you know the Ologho regalia is different from that of many Yorubas. His regalia is very similar to that of Benin's. The chieftaincy titles are also different from that of Oyo and very similar to Benin's. Owo like other Eastern Yorubas like Ijebu, Ilaje, Ondo, Owe, Oworo, Bunu, etc have so many kinds of local/regional traditional garments and fabrics that are different from the general Yoruba garments and fabrics.

Eastern Yoruba dialects are also very intriguing. In ondo state, some names of towns have been standardized in the Oyo/Ibadan variant of Yoruba. For example
Owo- Ogho
Idanre- Udanrhe
Ile Oluji- Ule Oluji

Other names of towns like Ugbo, Ugbonla, etc have remained unchanged.

I just hope these dialects can continuously be spoken.

You are so right about the variations. Do you know that some Yoruba subgroups don't even have the obaship system or believe in oduduwa?

Which Yoruba groups don't have obaship system or believe in oduduwa?

DocHMD:
Bumbling yoru-slaves with emirates on their lands should advise themselves on how reinstate obaship in kwara before advising Igbos.

How can a person born without teeth teach the man with teeth how to chew?

There are many Obas in Kwara


Your ignorance and stupidity is so disturbing. ... does it come with being ibo?

Jamila05:
Stop misleading the people with your personal believe about orunmila baba agbonmiregun

All these people are just jokers, Yoruba history and traditions are game for their insane need for relevance

Afam4eva:
I think Urhobo and Yoruba are somehow intertwined historically. There's an Urhobo/Itsekiri man that got his genealogy tested and he found out that he was about 60% Benin/Togo which is Yoruba and a smaller percentage of Cameroon/Congo which could be Igbo or any of the groups east of the Niger.

Yoruba, Urhobo/isoko, Edo, Igbo, Fon, ewe, Akan all have common origin

LionDeLeo:
OP, the ebiras from other places within Kogi central refer to only the ihima people as Yorubas, never heard of Adavi Eba. The people of Adavi eba are well recognised in Kogi central. Although I don't really understand why they call them Yorubas, I think it may not be unconnected with some of the traditions in that ihima. For instance, tribal mark (the single short horizontal mark on both sides of female cheeks), all those their eche ori and they understand yoruba language better than other parts of the senatorial zone. But note, they are fully recognised. Remember, Philip Salawu is from ihima.

But I think this is just assumption on the part of the ebiras because most important things from ihima are very related to ebira. Eg, the traditional head of ihima is The Ohi of ihima.

Interesting

"Ohi" could also be related to "ori" in Yoruba meaning head

pazienza:
Lol!

See what I mean. When you are yet to discover your obvious problem that everyone else see but you, but feel you can advice a people who didn't solicit for your useless advice, you end up looking silly.

Chew on this: "...We also captured Ilorin, killed their local King
and installed our Fulani Emir. We took that ancient
town away from the barbarian Yoruba and their
filthy pagan gods. We liberated all these places
and all these people by imposing Islam on them by
force. It was either the Koran or the sword, and
most of them chose the Koran..."





And then this: http://www.ilorin.info/fullnews.php?id=8234


Thank me!

this guy is born to be a fool sha. Why do you keep talking about ilorin alone? Ilorin is just one town in a very large State called Kwara, which is almost as large as the entire igboland. that same Kwara has Obas over towns that the natives are/were originally non-yoruba eg. Jebba is the most popular of them
Yet Yoruba is dominant in both Jebba and Ilorin.

The case of Ilorin is not a Yoruba problem but a religious problem, having an emir that yoruba muslims chose themselves means power lays with the Yoruba...it is only pitiful that decisions were made by religious sentiments, which Igbos just like the entire Africa are just as guilty of


Your link says nothing. your quote is false. Deal with your failed Biafra

I am done with you!