Ok prove to me that there are two north poles, you may parameterize as you wish, but prove it and perhaps we might have a starting point for your two Mecca two direction theory.

Logic Mind:

So my point should be ignored as it doesn't fit into your narative? your religion seems to disagree with you. It requires YOU to face mecca wherever you may be thus making you the point of reference. Imagine finding yourself with someone at the opposite point of mecca on earth and want to pray. you face one way and he faces the other, one of you will surely tell the other one that he was wrong and probably debate or even kill yourselves due to ignorance.

I will open another thread soon about how stupid this whole facing mecca thing is.

stay tuned.

I suppose that's where you confuse yourself. How can London facing Mecca and USA facing Mecca make USA or UK or both in ur reasoning the reference point? With all due respect is that logical? How can asking all of us to face Mecca make all of us the reference point? Thought Mecca will be the reference point for all of us! Thats more logical. Hello! Dude sleep over it, perhaps it would be clearer by morning

Logic Mind:

Do you agree then that at some point, people facing mecca will be facing away from each other?

We were never facing each other in the first place we were facing the Kaaba/Mecca! It just seemed so at the start, the point of reference should be Mecca and not ourselves

Does it changes anything? Ok the shortest distance between two points on earth is the shortest arc! Happy now. The original straight line I used earlier was what we used to use in spartial analysis and town planing. But none the less, how many north pole would there be from my previous example?

For argument sake let's assume the Kaaba was on the north pole, any body facing northwards with a litle tilt eastwards or westwards depending on your position would be facing the north pole - our hypothetical Kaaba. Be you at the tropic of cancer or capricon there will always be one north - north pole- Kaaba - qibla. I hope you get it. The golden rule is the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, use that and you will always get your qibla. Now you will have to tell us which country are having the problem of two qibla and prove that there are two qiblas, other wise your claim will remain a hypothetical guesswork at best.

Mai-suya:


You accuse me of that which you are also guilty of, while condemning me and condoning your bias. Dude any one with knowledge of Nigeria knows a Hausa Fulani woman when you see one, especially in an ultra conservative state like zamfara. And I can bet you on this one that she isn't a Muslim, with a wig, tight t-shirt and no 'gelle'? Forget about the hijaab we should expect to see from zamfara-sharia state women.
Yet in another scoop you claim armed robbers which raided banks are BH. Now who has the clairvoyant powers, you that recognise armed robbers that escaped with money without being caught or me that sees this non Muslim woman in this picture in front of me. (never mind I was even diplomatic to say non Muslim and not Christian, but prejudice they say die hard) farewell deluded fellow.

Ok dude I recant my non Muslim terminology and categorically state that PASTOR AND CHRISTAIN WOMAN CAUGHT GUN RUNNING IN THE NORTH now what do you say to that? Refer to details posted above me from people's daily

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rawtruth:

Oh! So nuslim women don't transport or sell garri? You aren't living in Nigeria, I suspect so. Otherwise how could you have drawn such a naive conclusion. Go to Kabba, Kogi state, where boko haram has raided many banks lately and find out the religions of women selling garri in the market. Don't get red-faced and stammer gibberish because your attempt at insidious propaganda wasn't successful. Dude!

You accuse me of that which you are also guilty of, while condemning me and condoning your bias. Dude any one with knowledge of Nigeria knows a Hausa Fulani woman when you see one, especially in an ultra conservative state like zamfara. And I can bet you on this one that she isn't a Muslim, with a wig, tight t-shirt and no 'gelle'? Forget about the hijaab we should expect to see from zamfara-sharia state women.
Yet in another scoop you claim armed robbers which raided banks are BH. Now who has the clairvoyant powers, you that recognise armed robbers that escaped with money without being caught or me that sees this non Muslim woman in this picture in front of me. (never mind I was even diplomatic to say non Muslim and not Christian, but prejudice they say die hard) farewell deluded fellow.

Logic Mind:


Take mecca as the mid point ont top. everyone from the equator upwards will be facing mecca if they look northwards. But people below the equator, especially those closest to the bottom will be looking at mecca from different directions and facing away from each other.

It really is so simple I can't understand your incomprehension.
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Sorry logic mind ignore my previous post I get your point from the quote above.

U see when you look at people preying in Mecca around the Kaaba they form a circle around it(ie those at the south of it face north, those at the north face south, those at the west of ot face east and those at the east face west, in ESSENSE they form a ring arround the Kaaba) now imagine this ring expanding globally the same still holds ie those south of Mecca(where the Kaaba is) face north and those north face south and on and on. So the Kaaba is just a reference point, I hope you get it now

You can use this rule, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. So let every one face the direction which optimises this rule.

Abeg make una let logic mind be, ok oga illogic mind when flying to Lagos from Kano instead of going southwards through kaduna, Niger, Abuja ogun and then Lagos for 30,000 naira, you can go northwards from Kano through Niger, Mali, Algeria, Europe, north pole, Asia, south china sea, Australia, south pole, south Africa, central African republic and then Lagos. I guess that's cheaper and more logical?

Dude get off whatever you are smooking, if I say face north, in your reverse reasoning since the earth is spherical then any one facing north is actually facing south? Common man read what your username says and act it.

rawtruth:

You introduced the 'bias' with your reference to non-muslims being arrested with arms when you needed to have simply reported the arrest, followed by what the security men did. Don't play it clever with the above insidiously mischievous analysis. Only a dude could not see through to your veiled malicious grin as you typed those comments.

I introduced the bias? Facts: she is not a Muslim, she has a bag of garri, she has guns in the garri. These are the facts I stated in my OP! So whats the qualms.

The other day, punch or vanguard reported a sensational headline which said, bomb factory found in kogi state, Kano road! Now tell me what that has got to do with the story, it could have been Lagos road, bayelsa road or even kinshasa road for all I care. But then you may answer me that 'well it was Kano road' and then I will say to you that 'well she was not a muslim'

Dude stop the paranoia, I am only responsible for what I said, not what you think I meant.

I just did a short survey of responses here: more than 50% were sympathetic to the woman ignoring her heinous crime, about 25% were indiffent or just prayed, whle less than 20% condemned her irrespective of the way she was treated.

Now you can draw your own conclusion from the above. But I think most comments here are either biased or deliberately carlous. Imagine a woman caught transporting ammunition that will most certainly be used to kill innocent lives, and some are still here finding excuse for such inexcusable act. Yes the army were were heavy handed in treating her (so what! Sh.it happens) at least they were curteous enough to dress her wounds after the interrogation.

When the jos cocin bomb went off, and the barbaric woshipers there killed one of their own unknowingly, some of these biased commentators were the ones singing good, kill those boko boys, without confirming if it was really them they were killing. Afterwards news came in at the lynched lad was actually a church member (some papers even alleging he was among the masterminds) but we will never know because of our failed journalism, failed justice system but even worst is the failed-brained audience we have in Nigeria.

Don't mind ore LEAs I guess they don't know the meaning of investigation, they were too brutal to that woman, but that doesn't make her innocent. Carrying what could be used to kill your fellow human beings has no justification what soever, so long you are not an authorised personel.
But my main problem is this is the first and last you will hear of this, a failure of our journalism and law enforcement institutions.

I don't know how to embed the video but I got this video off facebook. Why is it at more non Muslims are caught[b] red handed[/b] than Muslims? Forget the mickey mouse arrests the SSS want us to believe with no concrete details of what happened before or after the arrests. May Allah continue to expose them. Amin..
Watch Video : Here

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The silly responses here says a lot. Somebody is asking he can't find 'Christian' in the story I wander if Monday is a Muslim name? Some body might ask for source soon, and he will be given. Then another would say he doesn't trust that paper, then another one will be provided. Then others would start to attack the person of the OP if all else fails, and on and on it goes. Just stay tuned.

@t22
That's a good suggestion but how do I go about that?
Do I approach a uni and tell them I want to take selected courses? How would a transcript be given? What do you call such programs/courses? Is it an official arrangement nig uni currently offer or would it have to be tailored discussed by me and the uni? And what guarantee the PhD program would accept such supplementary non-degree courses?

Thanks for your help

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thanks for the motivation. I was also mulling getting another masters with more quantitative subjects. but it will aso be time wasting! but nonetheless thanks for your help

In the under grad i covered courses like: micro and macro economics, statistics, economic analysis, maths for economics, econometrics, labour economics, and my research was quantitative involving regression.

In my masters capital mkt analysis, corporate finance, financial reporting, fixed interest investment, further quants etc. My research was also quantitative hear.

I am also CFA level 2

You think you can get me an admission without me having to apply? just kidding. but any extra help would be appreciated

@tanimola God bless you a million times. I am going through all those links right now.

You know I have a feeling that all those scholarships in Europe are no go areas given that they are limited and you will be up against many first classes, you get my drift?

So I would mind getting an unfunded position. But it seems even if i don't get in this session I will have to do all thes GRE GMAT TOEFL crap, most seem to be demanding it.

By the way i studied economics undergrad and finance and investment postgrad.

Any one with a good strategy to pass all these GRE and co that doesn't involves too much study? Is there a site I can just brush up and pass?

guys thanks for all the info shared in this section. But there is hardly any discussion on studying PhD in europe, there are for BSc and Masters. so here is the preamble to what i want to find out.

I have a 3.97 BSC

a Merit in my Masters from UK

I dont have any english test result (i dont really want to do any)

i would like to do my research in the areas of economics management or finance

i would luv a country where i can get a parttime job.

so any one with ideas on where and how i can get admission given this constraints of mine. or if you have any idea on phd courses please share

Guys any PhD applicant here?

this is a very interesting thread. I hope to apply for phd either in Finance or Management, I have 3.97 in my BSC and a Merit in my Masters from Nottingham, I am dont have any of these english profficiency tests.

can anybody suggest any european country i can apply without these english test?

also assuming i want to take this english test, do you think i can make it without studying (i can humbly say am good in english)?

PLease answer me.

^ more so will u be.
the question is what if you are wrong in this world, have u got a back up plan?

I ithink i need to clear some misconceptions here by some people here both nigerian and SA'ns

the thread was because of the seemingly ease with which ECOWAS is pressuring Mali. It was to Know what leverage ECOWAS has, if any,to pressure Nigeria to anything for that Matter.

and to some of our SA brothers here using BH as guage for the Nigerian Army effectiveness. First u should Know that BH is not fighting a conventional war (it is engaged in assymetrical battles with NA) and only few nations have experience in assymetrical and counter insurgency battles. even the US hasnt been able to sub due the Taliban (Example is Kuna province immediately they pulled out taliban were back in control) so SA army might probably have done worst against BH (cos i dont now when ever the SA army have left their barracks except for rescue missions and war games) The SA Army might be more equiped than the NA army,but in terms of battlefield expirience theyve got nothing on us.

veda that was a 'insightful' dream, too bad you are not in the time of prophet yusuf AS or prophet muhammad SAW, then you would have gotten a better interpretation than lagos shia gave you

But my sincere advice to both of you is this verse in sura baqara 'those were a nation which have passed, to them is their deeds and to you are your deeds, and you would not be asked concerning what they used to do.' Baqara

all4naija: Who own the farmlands? Do the farmlands belong to the nomads? These should be the questions rather than what happened. There is what is called provocative attempt before such problem of killings in those host communities take place.I think you are not addressing the issue from both sides.

i get your drift. the issue you are raising is what the govt should be addressing which they obviously are not. i remember in the parts when govt used to be proactive by providing grazing reserves and normadic education programmes to forestall such conflicts.
what I am saying in my past post was an attemt by media to report only oneside of the story, which has resulted to such misguided and ill informed statements and generalizations on this forum

this attempt to link BH fulani refugees is not only annoying but outright carlous.

This BH guys are waging guerilla warfare against the govt, a hit and run strategy, stealth and meticulous. i doubt if some 4000 cattle rearing heads men is a penetration strategy given their antecedent (take abuja or suleja as a case)

this guys are refugees from states not particularly known for BH operations how do u conclude they are some how related

also when you are fleeing violence i doubt if direction is the first thing on your mind. what should be on your mind is safety, whereever, you can then start to plan home going strategies when you are safe.

common lets be realistic

this is the problem with our bias media outlet. see how they have managed to sensationalize refugees fleeing violence. and the uninformed nigerians are cought up in this media conspiracy.
when the farmers attack the fulanis in their 'ruga' mobile homes in the bush and kill women and children and cattles, you dont see channels tv, punch, vanguard or odili nets reporting those crimes against the fulanis. and since no one reports it the government dont do anything to redress these injustices. But when the fulanis retaliate on the farmers settlement, alas, you see channels tv, punch, vanguard and others sensationalizing the story. and the gullible minority dont help matters by investigating what the true causes of the violence is. thats why the cycle of violence continues, neither the government or the society is willing to invest in a solution. and the media seems to be bent on fueling this cycle

can we get a transcript. and could it be put on front page so that we can get more independent corraboration.

And then remove fuel subsidy, kerosine no where to be found, that's equal heavy reliance on charcoal and wood. Too bad

mazaje:

Flies do not carry diseases on their wings, they carry diseases on their legs and their saliva and one of their wings does not carry any cure. . .Dipping a fly inside a drink when it falls into it is a useless exercise. . .

What are the odds your my grand father in the village will make a claim that flies carry cure (antibiotic) on them?

After you've answered that, what are the odds that some one who lived in d desert 1400 years ago would make such a claim?

Then what are the odds a man like that will make such claim about flies and not rats, bees, spiders, cockroaches etc?

And mind you this is an ongoing research which means there is still room for further understanding and modification of the hypothesis, to come close to what the prophet stated some 1400years ago.

Also note that the prophet of Islam did not make this statement as a boast (like hey, come see I know science) it was part of his usual teachings as a mercy to mankind the way he taught us:
Not to drink water while standing
Not to eat with our left hand
Not sleep on our bellies or our backs but on our sides
Not to fill our stomachs with food but just eat enough for sustenance
Not to get angry
Not to walk in one shoe
Not to eat hot food
Not to eat fast
Not to urinate or defecate on the rood or in the shade
Not urinate in a standing water
Not breathe in the cup While drinking water (and I could go on and on)

Bottom line the only way he could make such a claim is either he could see into the future and read the Australian scientists' report OR HE WAS INSPIRED BY THE ALL KNOWING ALL WISE.

Very informative.

See how Allah described early christainity in the quran[b] "woe unto those who write the book with their own hand then they say it is from Allah, so that they may trade with it for small benefits, woe unto them for what their hands write and woe unto them for what the earn therefrom"[/b] Quran- baqarah

In other words the writers work is just a quasi exegesis of the above verse. And mind you, it wasn't a Muslim that wrote it. (God is Great)

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u see thats the problem we have, you look at world religions either consciously or unconsciosly from the white man's christainity exclusivity point of view. (and with that i cant help you). In fact the concept of messages in islam is most beautifully defined in a saying of islam's prophet which i paraphrase here : 'all prophets of God are from one father but from differnt mothers'. meaning all prophets taught the existence of one Allah, God, Soko, Olowun, chukwu etc, but the religious rite instructed to each prophet varried according to region, cultures, time, etc. two quranic verses buttres my above point; 'and We have never sent a messenger except We inspire to him that none has the right to be worshiped other than ME...' quran- anbiya, '...call Him Allah or call Him Arrahman, for whichever you call him, to Him belongs the most beautiful names..'

You don't believe the followers of RAMA and KRISHNA thought they were God whilst they walked among the hindus some Five thousand years ago? neither did the followers of Jesus thought he was god whilst he walked amongst them.

The divinity ascribed to those pious men of God was ascribed to them after their death by their followers who thought they were making plain that which was hidden, but in actual fact they were hiding that which was plain. The essence of prophets were to correct some wicked practices of men on earth and to inform them that they will be held accountable by the one true GOD. with time some of these messages got currupted or lost, hence the need for more prophets to confirm previous messages, the quran says ; 'then we sent Our messengers in succession, and every time a messenger came to a nation they denied him...'

SO THE FIRST PROPAGATORS OF THESE RELIGIONS WERE ACTUALLY MEN AND NOT GODS, AND WERE MOST LIKELY SENT BY THE TRUE GOD. ALSO NOT ALL PRACTICES OR RELIGIONS ARE FROM GOD SOME ARE MAN MADE, BUT MY CONTRIBUTION SO FAR IS TO ANSWER TH OP'S QUESTION. AND I END WITH THIS VERSE. 'messengers among which were bearers of glad tidings and warners so that mankind would not have any proof against Allah (on judgement day)after the messaengers. and indeed Allah did spoke onto moses' I HOPE THIS ANSWERS UR QUESTION