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Greenholics:
They are many fallacies and personally manufactured ideology or explanations here but i dont want to go back and forth over that.

Please feel free to say what's in your mind but try not to be annoyed or insulting because that will only blur your sense of liberalism.

Greenholics:
Ok so the all powerful God had to use humans to fight his battles? Amd thise he used many died in the process ok.... ok no problem

Note that He didn't use humans to fight back in Egypt, many thought it was a coincidence. That's why God asked the Israelites to face the nations so they will know that it wasn't a coincidence but the God of Israel that's backing His people!

Greenholics:
And also king David alone fought 66 battles and half of that didnt even come to attack his or his kingdom.

Note that David was only fighting to protect the land God promised His people Israelites, David never leave that territory to dominate nations beyond the boundaries God allocated to Israel.

Greenholics:
Just like a time when the Roman conquered the world and Rome was the centre of the world..... it wasnt a thing of defence it was a thing of domination.

The Romans were forcing their rule on nations far away from Rome, so it's a totally different setting from what the Israelites did back then!

Ayo081:
I never knew JWs don't believe miracles
MaxInDHouse

Let me first clear your doubt that we believe in miracles!
The Bible from Genesis to Revelation is a miracle on it's own not to talk of events like the Creation of heaven and earth.
So my friend we believe in miracles.
What misinformed Churchgoers don't realize is that God is the one doing the miracles not any human, so God only chose some people to show His power, both the one performing the miracles and those benefitting from the miracles are in God's program to teach others something vital.

The only nation God chose as His people through whom miracles do happen are the Israelites {Genesis 12:3} that's why Jesus emphasized that no other race is granted such a privileged {Matthew 15:21-28} note that Jesus has help many who aren't even Israelites so what does he meant by referring to people from other nations as "dogs"?
Well the simple answer is that God has never and will never perform a single miracle through the hands of a non-Isrealites!
The first century Christians saw that Jews (Israelites) who are Christians were performing miracles so they wonder why no other nation is granted such privilege.
That's why Apostle Paul wrote a letter concerning miraculous signs. In this letter Paul made it clear that all those gifts will cease {1 Corinthians 13:1-10} WHY? Because God never had any covenant with gentiles regarding miracles. So by the time Jewish Christians leave Jerusalem (the place where God promised to establish pure worship) miracles and other obvious gifts of the spirit will stop!

That's why you can never see anyone today performing miracles like what was recorded in Bible times, they're just deceiving themselves and others following them.

What Paul said will be noticed among true disciples of Christ in later times is not supernatural signs but LOVE! 1Corinthians 13:13 compare to John 13:34-35

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

That's pagan ideology not Christian!
True Christians know that Satan is the ruler of this world {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} so when we see any of us suffering due to hardship we remember Job {Job 1:1-22} Asaph {Psalms 73:1-17} Jesus {Mark 15:34;Luke 22:42} and the Apostles. 2Corinthians 11:23-27
So we struggle to do what we can to assist them after all our God promised that He won't allow us to be tempted beyond what we can bear {1Corinthians 10:13} it's not that we will not face hardship but due to the fact that Satan can't subject all servants of our God to the same conditionat at the same time those who are not in that condition will always be there for those been tempted by the Devil! John 19:26-27

May you have PEACE!

Ayo081:
Can we agree that it's what comes from the heart defiles a Man and often times our outward appearance is a reflection of our heart?

Our dressing is also a means to express what we have in mind but then it is important to IDENTIFY the group practicing Christianity so that we can learn from their dressing to know the code.
But where over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations of the same religion with lots of contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines, there is no way an interested person can know the dress code for Christians!

BornofGod108:
read 1Tim 2:9-10 to know the correct dress code of a believer

What quantifies someone as a BELIEVER?

Greenholics:
Ok while that might be true, the bible you read isnt..... the God that established peace for jw is it the same God in the bible that commanded war, killing and blood shed all over the bible? Because it doesn't add up .

The Bible is like a document authored by our Creator to present his case before sincere and honest hearted individuals so if you're not open-minded you can't understand many of the things written in that book.

Let's take the case of God commanding WARS, KILLINGS and BLOOD SHED.

After the fall of man out of Eden Satan began ruling the earth, but himself alone can't control the whole earth without the support of other spirit sons of God. So he convinced them to rebel against God's orders by introducing a way they could put on materialised bodies and start enjoying sex with female humans. {Genesis 6:1-2} God disengaged those rebellious angels {1Peter 3:19-20} and Satan now have more idle hands to support him, to cut the long story short that's how many unseen mighty spirit beings became Gods in different locations on this planet.
Abraham and his father were also worshipers of these demons before the true God decided to introduce Himself God looked round and saw that Abraham is a faithful person so God called Abraham, introduced Himself and promised Abraham that He will always be with Abraham! Genesis 12:1-3
Later after Abraham's third generation had suffered as slaves in Egypt for 400 years God decided to pick a place for His own worshipers to establish pure worship. But first He need to send a warning message to all the worshipers of fallen angels (demons) that the Almighty God wants to organize His own worshipers.
That's why He continue putting up with Pharaoh's stubbornness otherwise God could have removed the breath of life from Pharaoh but for the whole world to know that the God of Israel is the Almighty He sent an octogenarian (Moses) down to Egypt without the backing of any military and delivered the Israelites with great signs and wonders.
Then He sent an angel to lead them through the wilderness until they got close to the land where He promised them, all the nations that has been warriors were easily conquered by the Israelites who have been slaves all their lives in Egypt and their God kept going with them proving His Mightiness.
During that time all the inhabitants of the earth have the same line of thought that the mightiest nation has the backing of the mightiest God so ask yourself what exactly kept those nations planning to face the Israelites whose God has proved to be the mightiest of all Gods?
A woman named Rahab said something that i'll like you to read and meditate upon @ Joshua 2:8-13

She proves by her words and actions that all those nations were wicked people and they deserve to die for turning against what all of them believed which is the Mightiest army has the backing of the world's Mightiest God.

A nation back then known as Gibeonites took the initiative to come and plead with the Israelites because they're convinced beyond every reasonable doubt that the Israelites had the backing of the world's Mightiest God! Joshua 9:3-21

God only wanted a small portion (Canaan) not all the earth to establish pure worship, he never asked the Israelites to go and force other nations to accept their form of worship NO but these people kept coming to attack Israel havin heard all the Mighty works this God did both in Egypt and the Red Sea. Back then Egypt was the world's Mightiest nation so there's no place on this planet where the news didn't reach that a God not (two or three) singlehandedly came from nowhere and delivered a multitude of people from the hand of the world's mightiest nation without any military force!

Please judge for yourself between the true God of Israel and those nations back then, who is the WICKED one?

May you have PEACE!

Greenholics:
That is not true, but when the person is a former JW you treat worse than strangers even if they are family members, same you that said you will treat your family (kids and relatives) as strangers if any left JW? With you guys supremacy mindset, they tell you guys you are supreme etc then put fear in you guys to stop you guys from leaving............... like you rightly said religion is created for the sole purpose to control people using fear....and e ticing them for reward after life.

It's impatience that makes you run to a wrong conclusion each time you listen to someone's comment. So try to know the motive behind a comment before running to a conclusion. Is it not the same me you said i hate Muslims that's now feeling bad for an unjust treatment of a Muslim? So calm down and reason in order to know the reason for what people say not just pick a comment and capitalize on that.

A stranger who never studied the Bible with us before is a million times better than the person who said he/she is no longer interested in our group after vowing to be a member till death. WHY?
Jehovah's Witnesses don't rush nor force anyone into taking the decision to join us, we take our time to study with a friend even if it will takes a decade before such a person decides to become a member we will be patient with him. We want each person to be sure of what we are doing in the organization before taking the step to become one of us.
Moreover we don't take someone who is underage seriously unless you're of age.
So after knowing all the rules that makes us different from all other religions and can see that this is the only religion where force, weapons, racism or politics is not promoted whatever makes you say you're leaving our group means something is wrong somewhere that's why we will treat you like one who has just been infected with an infectious disease so we will quarantine you!
One thing most people don't realize is that if a disfellowshiped person can find a better performing group out there than JWs just come back and tell us and i assure you that 80% of us will leave this organization to join you because we're not tied down rather we want the best. But the problem is disfellowshiped ones don't have anything better to offer they just want us to leave our global family of peace loving worshipers, that's why we say they're worse than those who never studied the Bible with us

Greenholics:
Also you saod something about african traditions worship being demonic, can you prove that outside the bible? Nope! B4 the roman catholic twisted version of Abrahamic religion especially christianity Africa religion was not seen as being demonic.

It's not just African form of worship but all the forms of worship on this planet except that which comes from Israel!
It's their origin that's bad not those who are born and raised in it because they don't know the source. Romans are pagans not Christians so don't think Roman Catholic has anything to do with real Christianity. Jesus never support politics and Roman Catholic is about politics!

Greenholics:
Also i have a question, there is a part i dont get you guys say human sacrifice is bad and all that ok maybe (because human life is precious and sacred according to Ifa) but can you tell me the difference between the crucifixion of Jesus and Ancient africa tradition pf human sacrifice? Because to me they both look like same thing, ancient African do human sacrifice to cleanse the land and the people off evil.......... Jesus died to cleanse the people off thier sin and brig bring them to redemption and you guys even then decide to eat his body in the name of holy communion...... can you please shed more light on this.

Jesus is not human but a spirit whose life was transformed into the womb of his earthly mother so he was fully prepared to lay down his life for the salvation of mankind. The people been sacrificed by other religions are innocent people who came to marry, have children and live normal lives like everyone else. Jesus already knew why he's here that's why he was teaching his disciples about what he has come to do. For instance when he told them the purpose of his coming one of them rebuked him saying "such will never be your portion" well Jesus called that disciples "Satan" {Matthew 16:21-23} so it's totally different from what demons are doing in other cultures killing people who has come to live their normal lives. Jesus never came to live a normal life that's why he could say by the time his mission was accomplished "it is finished" John 19:30

Wicked spirits are making mockery of human lives because they want us to feel worthless as we see our fellowman who has come to live a normal life been sacrificed simply because he/she happens to be a stranger in our midst which could also happen to us too if we find ourselves as strangers in another place.

So it's not the same thing at all!

Greenholics:
Ok while that might be true, the bible you read isnt..... the God that established peace for jw is it the same God in the bible that commanded war, killing and blood shed all over the bible? Because it doesn't add up .

I believe you're a Yorùbá man/woman and you should know our adage that says:

"Agbọ́ ẹjọ́ ẹnìkan dájọ́ àgbà òṣìkà ni"

So instead of concluding that since the God of Israel supported wars and killings in the past He can't be justified as the same God promoting peace now, why not ask for the reason for such seemingly double standard?

That's what a real Yorùbá man will ask first not just concluding that there's no reason for a good person to act violently!

thatsleepboy1:
kindly go to this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/6843958/islam-full-fables-not-g-d#107556223
G-D FORBID MY JESUS BEING ASSOCIATED WITH MOLOCH.
Allah is an Idol.
Pls don't mind him.
Don't mind him. I've challenged him to a debate.

I was born a Muslim but after so much findings i discovered that something is missing in Islam that's why i never took religion seriously until i met Jehovah's Witnesses.
Today i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Islam is a political movement established after the Arabs themselves have killed Muhammad, they're not interested in God rather their intentions is to rule the whole world through recruitment of more hands against the West.
The Western power have long discovered this secret that's why they have no issues with Saudi Arabia because those really agitating for power are three major former world powers:

EGYPT they became the first world power after the fall of Babel after God has confused the language of the builders of Babel. Many nations back then were struggling to dominate others until Joseph made Egypt the richest through the food they stored during the drought. So it was through the Israelites that Egypt became the first world power and it's by means of the same Israelites that Egypt lost it's best army at the Red Sea.

ASSYRIA known today as Iran, later became the world power and was dominating all surrounding nations until their King stupidly (Sennacherib) fixed his heart on destroying Jerusalem during the reign of faithful King Hezekiah. In just one night an angel from heaven came down and killed 185,000 Assyrian soldiers! 2Kings 19:35
That was the end of the Assyrian dynasty.


BABYLON known today as Iraq later became the world power and their king Nebuchadnezzar came to destroy Jerusalem after the people turned to worshiping foreign idols. God foretold that due to the cruel way Babylonian dealt with the Israelites Babylon will be destroyed and never to be rebuilt again! And it was so, the Northern part of Assyria formed alliance with the orients and they came to destroy Babylon during the reign of Belchazzar (Nebuchadnezzar's son) then the prophecy about the release of God's people (Israelites) took place as King Cyrus of Persia declared that Israelites (God's people) may return to their home land.

MEDO-PERSIA this is the Kingdom of two nations (MIdians and Persians) they reigned until Greece took over the world power from them.

So it's these three nations now that are trying to regain what their ancestors lost. Egypt, Iran and Iraq. Saudi Arabia has never ruled the world before so they are not agitating but the agitating nations want to use Islam (the religion that sprang up in Saudi) to achieve their goal. The Western powers later sent spies to investigate what is causing the problem because they realized that the main religious center (Saudi) is not agitating. That's when it was discovered that their agitations is not about RELIGION but POLITICAL. Because Arabs don't have forgiving spirit the old dispute between Iraq and Iran is still ongoing because it was the Iranians alliance with Orients that destroyed Babylon (Iraq) so even if they're allowed to rule the world there will still be wars between these two nations despite the Islam they're using as cover up.

I only pity people from other nations joining the so called Islam because it has nothing to do with the God of Israel, and do you know that the God of Israel has foretold through His angel that this will happen?

Please read what God's angel told this woman:
And the angel of Jehovah said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son; and thou shalt call his name Ishmael, because Jehovah hath heard thy affliction.And he shall be [as] a wild ass among men; his hand [shall be] against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren. Genesis 16:11-12

Ishmael is Abraham's first son God told Abraham that the promise to redeem the entire human race will be made possible through Abraham's lineage, so Abraham thought Ishmael (his first Son) will fulfill that but God told Abraham:

And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!" Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." Genesis 17:18-21

Here God is telling Abraham that Ishmael will live but the promise of Salvation will come through Isaac not Ishmael.

So what will be the result if Ishmael's race try to establish a religion as Abraham's first born?

Well remember what the angel told Ishmael's mother, Ishmael will only breed terrorists!
That's why Islam is associated with terrorism throughout the earth today.

May you have PEACE!

What Jesus promised Peter @ Mark 10:28-30

Only if the so called "Pastor" himself knows what Ecclesiastes 12:1 means!

When people do something and claim it serve the same purpose as what you have heard before, what should first come to your mind?

For instance, you see a person with sewing machine claiming he's a tailor shouldn't such a person present the clothes he has sewn before?
Well the purpose of speaking in tongues in the first century is to take the message Jesus (a first century Jew) delivered to few Jews and ordered them to pass it along until it reached all the earth! Act 1:8
Surely the first obstacle this Jews will encounter is language barrier, that's the reason why the first miracle that happened to the small group is a change in their tongues so that each of them spoke the language of people that visited Jerusalem that day! Act 2:1-4

So the purpose of speaking in tongues (according to what is found written in the Bible) is to pass the information to other people whose tongues differs.
Today Jehovah's Witnesses (Jesus real followers) have gone to all the nations and tongues throughout the earth so there's no language on this planet that you won't find a JW to PREACH and TEACH what Jesus commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} therefore do you still think there's any further need of speaking in tongues? 1Corinthians 13:8-10

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Myer:
When I opened this thead I just intentionally didn't want to mention any church denomination. It's meant to be a personal journey. I personally was not impressed by JW.
Cos I had read the bible personally before visiting your meetings and getting exposed to your doctrines. Perhaps my major error when I was still fiery for Christ was mixing my church with bro Gbile's discipleship program and others. I was hearing some thing different from one side- my church, Joshua Selman, Myles' Monroe, TD Jake's anx Steven Furtick while also hearing something entirely different from Bro Gbile, Deeper life and Foursquare. Even JW had an even more complicated doctrine. To be honest, today I wish I had simply stuck with my church doctrines cos it is more in line with what the bible teaches.

This is your first post:

Myer:
When you find yourself as a Christian's being converted. It is important who is guiding and discipling you.
You can be converted by Christ and end up with the wrong discipler.

The highlighted is just what i noticed, because Christ will never convert anybody without the group teaching that binds all his disciples as one so that they can have the same line of thought {John 17:22} and work together as one body! Ephesians 4:12 compare to John 10:16

You're just human like everyone else around you so you too could be deceived when trusting your own PERSONAL understanding of God's word! Proverbs 3:5

Billions of people read the Bible day in day out and if you approach each reader their opinion on what they read always contradicts, that's a sign that each person is on his or her own they are not with Christ {Luke 11:23} the real converts in Christ Jesus have the same line of thought with other believers throughout the earth {1Corinthians 1:10 compare to John 17:20-23} so anywhere you go people talk about them as if someone is infusing the same idea in their brains, and they are fully competent and completely equipped to defend their beliefs with mild temper and deep respect anytime, anywhere and before anybody! 1Peter 3:15

So don't mind my comment, just ignore it those to whom it is meant will pick what they need from it our message is not cherished by everyone! 2Thessalonians 3:2
May you have PEACE!

Jesuschristus:
Toddlers know there is a difference btw God and god but a brainwashed adult will never know

WOW! WOW!! WOW!!!
Now who is the brainwashed?
The titles President, King, Professor, Doctor, Governor and so on remains when you pronounce it with your mouth.
Who now brainwashed you to think that the title GOD or God or god could be pronounced differently?

Well it's obvious that you don't know so i'll TEACH you.

It's the translators that rendered the Gods they don't associate with in lower letters, back in the time of Moses and Jesus there is no difference when penning down the title GOD, it's the Israelites that always claim their GOD is superior to others GODS, that's why HE often refer to Himself as the ALMIGHTY because all GODS are mighty spirit beings!

tctrills:
Matthew 19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Is God promising the righteous, land, children, and family in heaven?

Before you can understand what Jesus meant there you need to consider what led to that statement.

It was one faithful day in the ministry with Jesus that he said something about God's Kingdom and how difficult it will be for many to enter:

Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Truly I say to you that it will be difficult for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of the heavens. Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to get through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. Matthew 19:23-24

His disciples became frightened so they asked him:
When the disciples heard that, they were greatly astounded, saying: “Who really can be saved?" Matthew 19:25

Then Jesus replied:
Looking at them intently, Jesus said to them: “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Matthew 19:26

That's why Peter asked him:
Then Peter said in reply: “Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

Before Jesus now said what you're quoting now:

Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit! Matthew 19:

Now the PRACTICAL APPLICATION!
After Jesus' teachings became popular among the Jews, the religious title chiefs of the first century felt threatened that they're becoming irrelevant before their people so they made plans to stop Jesus' teachings from spreading further. They began expelling anyone who believes (trust) in Jesus' teaching from the Temple! John 9:22
Now think of those who are following Jesus up and down, surely their families, friends and even neighbours will not like to have anything to do with them. That's why Peter asked Jesus the question:

“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27


Jesus is telling them that if they trust fully in what he taught them as message from their God they will have families in Christ throughout the earth that will be more than the families and houses they're loosing.

Today if someone is one of Jehovah's Witnesses (Jesus' true disciples) such a person already have brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, children, houses and jobs waiting for him in any part of the world where JWs are.
Such a person will only suffer persecution in the midst of his families, friends and relatives who are limited in number but afterwards he/she will gain a hundred folds throughout the earth, an assurance that you're already enjoying what God promised us in Paradise where everywhere you go everyone is your family, you're no stranger anywhere you go in Paradise!

Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life. Mark 1:29-30

So if you're not experiencing the 100 folds of brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers now there's no certainty that you're truly a Christian because that's what Jesus promised his disciples that they will get in this system of things before they have everlasting life in the future when God's Kingdom comes.

May you have PEACE!

Jesuschristus:
So there is a difference between God and Almighty, nawa for Jehovah witness brainwashing oo

That's common knowledge of the scriptures that even a toddler among God's people will teach you!
Ra is God in Egypt
Baal is God in ancient Canaan
Zeus is God in Greece
Jupiter is God in Rome

Moreover the Almighty declared that Moses is God before Pharaoh Ramses who himself was revered as God. Exodus 7:1
But there is just one Almighty God! Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18

Now is that brainwashing or accurate knowledge that you've been missing all your life as a misinformed churchgoer?

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:

"And this [Qur'an] is a Book We have revealed [which is] blessed, so follow it and fear Allah that you may receive mercy."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 155)

"[We revealed it] lest you say, The Scripture was only sent down to two groups before us, but we were of their study unaware,"
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 156)

"Or lest you say, If only the Scripture had been revealed to us, we would have been better guided than they. So there has [now] come to you a clear evidence from your Lord and a guidance and mercy. Then who is more unjust than one who denies the verses of Allah and turns away from them? We will recompense those who turn away from Our verses with the worst of punishment for their having turned away."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 157)


All prophets are God's representative on earth.

Muhammad the last prophet was sent to the whole world. The previous people whom revelation were given transgressed from the way of God both Jews and christians. Inorder to stop the false message being passed Muhammad was sent so nobody have excuse that the message was not clear or that it was the people of the scripture who mislead the world.

Now God has sent a message through the Quran to warn mankind that there is only one God worthy of worship and to beleive in all messengers of God including Jesus and Muhammad.


Allah SWT said:

"This [Qur'an] is notification for the people that they may be warned thereby and that they may know that He is but one God and that those of understanding will be reminded."
(QS. Ibrahim 14: Verse 52)

"Say, We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 84)

So in a nutshell it's about the God of Hebrews and that of the Arabs.
There are 66 little books written by forty men like WITNESSES (all Hebrews) that's contained in the Bible.
How many men partake in the writing of Qur'an?
Because you are quoting a book found with Muhammad to authenticate Muhammad as God's prophet, so who else can bear witness to the fact that the book is inspired by the God of Abraham apart from Muhammad himself?

He is God just as the Almighty made Moses God but he is not the Almighty so he has limited knowledge unlike the Almighty who knows when evil began and can determine when it will end!

haekymbahd:
Jesus is being compared to Moses

Deuteronomy 18

17And the Lord said to me, They have well said all that they have spoken.

18 I will raise up for them a prophet (Prophet) from among their brethren like you, and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I command him.

YES, Moses and Jesus can perfectly be compared because they're both
[1]Descendants of Jacob!
[2]Called God! Exodus 7:1, John 1:1
[3]Miracle workers!

Muhammad has no bearing here at all, it's the Arabs that are struggling to include their man in the setting, he is not from the race God promised, he never performed any miracles so what exactly makes him a prophet like any of those Israelites?
You need to table his credentials properly before you can expect any right thinking person to accept Muhammad as a real prophet. You know both of them are not my family so i'm not in support of any of them i'm just presenting what is obvious to all!

haekymbahd:
Sir, you forgot David. God has two only begotten son and not one Thanks.

Psalm 2
7 I will declare the decree of the Lord: He said to Me, You are My Son; this day [I declare] I have begotten You.
May you be blessed..

That was a prophecy about Jesus not David the son of Jesse. That prophecy was fulfilled when Jesus got baptized! Mark 1:11

That's why i said "go and meet Jehovah's Witnesses, they will prove to you through words and actions that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God"

May you have PEACE!

Go and meet Jesus' true disciples they are globally known as Jehovah's Witnesses, they will prove to you that their Master, Lord and King Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God!

Myer:
When you find yourself as a Christian's being converted. It is important who is guiding and discipling you.

You can be converted by Christ and end up with the wrong discipler.

That's why Jesus said "by their fruits you will know them" {Matthew 7:16} before anyone can be truly converted he must be preached to by Jesus' disciples, that's why Jesus asked Paul to go and meet his disciples {Act 9:3-6} for them to teach Paul what Jesus commanded! Matthew 28:20

So nobody can truly be converted without first been preached to and taught what Christianity entails. But there are many false religionists in the world whose goal is worldly riches, such religionists can't teach what Jesus taught because their motive totally contradicts Jesus' motive {Matthew 6:24} by the end of the day the real motive behind such religion will become obvious when they begin gathering people. Of course there will be some of their followers who are sincere but the majority following their footsteps will reflect what is in the minds of those leading them! Matthew 7:17-18
That's why Jesus sent us out in search of the honest hearted and sincere individuals who are lost in such false religions to invite them to the truth! Matthew 10:6

May you have PEACE!

AntiChristian:
I see no religion named Christianity and Judaism in the Bible.Islam is the name of the religion of the Muslims, a religion ordained by Allah to all his Prophets and messengers.

This is exactly what any religionist who wants to put his beliefs ahead of all others will say so you're welcome to the grove!

AntiChristian:
Christians believe humans inherit sins from Adam whereas Islamically Adam will only account for himself and whoever he was in charge of.

That is what the Bible says God created humans to continue living on this planet forever so it's due to Adamic sin that we are growing old, getting sick and dying. Perhaps your religion can answer these three important questions:
[1]Where did God created Adam and Eve?
[2]How long did God purposed they live?
[3]Where are they now?
If your religion can answer these three questions reasonably then we can compare what you said to what the Bible says to know which one is logical.

AntiChristian:
Allah needs no son, partners, wife or helpers in his dominion! No death or blood is needed to save humans. No need for God to divide himself in three person's trinity to function!
Allah is one and just one!

The Bible says God has many spirit sons, he made them His coworkers in doing other things just as humans has worked with him to make electricity, telecommunication and many others things God didn't do in the beginning so we believe that both angels and humans are coworkers with God in making things better that's why He referred to us as creatures made in His own image! Genesis 1:26-28
Surely He is the Almighty God and not a part of any TRINITY, He is the God who knows that intelligent beings like you and i are happier when they're employed to partake in building things that will beautify, makes life easier and better. That's why you and i are part of His team increasing life here by bearing children and training them to become like ourselves!

sagenaija:
So, you were not completely truthful.
Please don't project your flaws on others.
Those reading this thread should note the following and and see who is twisting Scriptures. Which group TWISTED Scriptures by ADDING words like "blood of his own son" to portions of Scriptures (Acts 20:28) when clearly that is not what the Greek states? There is no 'his own son' in the Greek of that verse. So, where did JWs get what they put there and why?

When people talk about ADDITION it simply means what has no bearing on matters at hand not what is related to the matter.
It is God who sent His only begotten Son so that everyone exercising faith in the sacrifice of the lamb of God may gain everlasting life.
[1]So is it God's blood or that of His son that was shed to redeem mankind?
[2]Is God the same person as the Lamb of God?
[3]Between God and the Lamb of God whose blood was shed?
If you've ever been to a court as a witness you will understand what this means, because those listening to you wants to get the sense of what you're saying not just complications.

sagenaija:
The book of Hebrews clearly states that Jesus is SUPERIOR to ALL Angels. All angels are to WORSHIP him - "And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”
Hebrews 1:6 NIV
Only God is to be worshipped. No angel accepts worship (Rev. 22:8-9).

God is the Almighty, then the Bible referred to all other spirit beings as "sons of God" and the Bible clearly addressed an angel Michael as the "Archangel" who is superior to all other angels (spirit sons of God)
There is nothing difficult to decipher in that.
The title "Archangel" is enough to tell you that this angel is SUPERIOR to all others.
The word mistranslated there is OBEISANCE not WORSHIP, God's word says all the angels in heaven must OBEY this one because he has done something that gladdens the heart of the Almighty so that the Almighty now gave him a higher position {Matthew 28:18} Paul clearly stated that the one given this position is still under the one who elevated him! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

sagenaija:
The prophecy of the son to be born, given in Isaiah 9:6, said that he would be called 'mighty God' among his other names.
In John 1:18 we are CLEARLY told that the Son is HIMSELF God.
Jesus, in his humanity subjected himself to God the Father's will - "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness." Philippians 2:6‭-‬7 NIV

Isaiah's record clearly shows that this son will be called the Prince of Peace and we all know that a prince is the son of a King, the title MIGHTY differs from ALMIGHTY!
Archangel Michael has been with God from the beginning of creation, in fact he is the first to be created and he worked with his father to create all other things {Proverbs 8:22-31 compare to Colossians 1:15-16} so when he was transformed into human he lowered himself and never treated humans as if he took part in creating us. That's the import of what you're quoting my friend!

sagenaija:
His designation as 'Son' does not conote subordinate nature or QUALITY. His work of being the atoning sacrifice for the sin of mankind necessitated his designation as 'son'.

This is either your PERSONAL opinion or what you thought based on the concept you chose (TRINITY) so you need to substantiate on that to help your listeners it's none of my own business since it's not written in God's word.

sagenaija:
Colossians 2:9 of JW even states this about Jesus:
"in him that all the fulness of the divine qualities dwells bodily."
If 'ALL THE FULNESS' does not mean what the simple English convey then we can be certain of nothing.
Interestingly the Greek of the New Testament is exact and leaves no room for the misunderstanding many try to bring into it today.

The fullness of God's image that we need to put on as children of God. Remember we were created in the image of God {Genesis 1:26-27} but after sin we fall short of that glory {Romans 3:23} so for that glory to return we need a role model to whom we have to keep looking in order for us to put on that personality that befits the image of God once again {Ephesians 4:22-24} that's what Paul is saying about Jesus through whom we can learn all the qualities we've lost after man's fall from glory. He is the firstborn and he never loose that glory unlike our biological father (Adam) through whom we became sinners. So had it been Adam never sinned we wouldn't have had any business with Jesus because Adam is also the fullness of the image of God when he was created! Luke 3:38 compare to 1Corinthians 15:45

sagenaija:
Jehovah is the First and the Last - Isaiah 48:12.
Jesus is the First and the Last - Revelation 1:17.
Jehovah laid the foundations of the earth - Isaiah 48:13.
Jesus laid the foundations of the earth - Hebrews 1:8.

They're both there when Satan initiated the rebellion and both of them will certainly be there when Satan is destroyed so they know the BEGINNING and ENDING of badness, that's the import of the beginning and ending you may expatiate further if you understand better but don't mix TRINITY dogma with it because i for one will not buy it!
God laid the foundation of the earth through His Son whom He was commanding to do the works so if the Bible say God and Archangel Michael laid the foundation of the earth we know what that means!

sagenaija:
He upholds all things by himself(Hebrews1:3): something no single creature can possibly do given the complexities involved in doing that.
One can go on and on to show how Jesus Christ is God.

Your problem is complicating issues for yourself by quoting and adding your own meaning to what you quoted but then you can't point or present the works of your faith {James 2:18} isn't that enough to help you realize that your so called faith is futile? James 2:26

sagenaija:
In Revelation 12:7 Michael is clearly distinguished from Jesus. Jesus/the Lamb are specifically mentioned there.
Maybe the JWs are yet to see this verse or if they have seen it they choose to conveniently ignore it. If there was a place to show us that the Archangel Michael is Jesus this was it but they are not the same and hence the distinction.

And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. Revelations 12:7
Apart from Satan who is heading the fallen angels (demons) Archangel Michael is the only angel ever mentioned having his own angels just as Jesus told us that he has his angels {Matthew 25:31} so if you want to prove that Jesus differs from Archangel Michael please present another verse in the scriptures that says any other person has his own angels apart from these two.

sagenaija:
When people run away from the truth, like the Pharisees did, the next thing they do is to create for themselves their own systems which they run with and pat themselves on the back for being able to live by their own rules. Jesus pointed this out in the Bible when a pharisee was so excited about what he does that he then tells God, 'I am not like that........'
MaxinDHouse, you may not accept all the things stated above. If so, fine. Just hold your peace and let the followers of this thread learn. Will that be to much for you to do?

Of course Satan's agents do create their own system of rule and standards but it can never produce the qualities of God's Holy Spirit: LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23
Satan's agents can never make people forgo politics and racism which are the major tools in Satan's hand to make people gather and carry weapons to destroy one another. Revelations 6:3-4
So you can accuse God's people and call them names, just know that wisdom is justified by her children {Luke 7:35} and by their FRUITS we will be able to distinguish between religionists following the footsteps of Jesus' Apostles and those following the footsteps of ancient Jewish Pharisees! Matthew 7:16-18

May you have PEACE!

Janosky:
Is 1st John 2:9-11 in your Bible?
Is 1 Corinthians 5:1-2,9-13 in your Bible?

Continue to Argue against that Bible you hide under your pillow.
Worshipper of 3 doghead na your way.

He will continue to follow you bumper to bumper as long as you're responding to him, there's no other place he can go to get a relief from the torment he's undergoing.
I just pity him because he'll go nowhere till tomorrow as long as you're replying him!

Dear Greenholics, i am prepared to share more thoughts with you if you care, but as for the other commentator it's written in the Bible that once we know where he belongs we must not engage him no matter what he say! Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

May you have PEACE!

What a pity!
Running after Lazarus for droplet of water to cool his thirst.
Ó mà ṣeo!

It's good to celebrate and do some merriment together as fellow believers, but then we need to consider what God's word says before doing what we feel is good for our God! 1Samuel 15:22

MaxInDHouse:
It's common for people to declare they're not participating in some common traditions and customs for various reasons, though such changes often result in fierce opposition by friends and families whose lives are engulfed in such traditions.
The only way forward is to ask the person questions about his or her sudden change. Could such change bring any physical benefits?
Will it not deprive others of their rights as family members?
Does the change only relate to faith and things relating to faith alone?
Are others who aren't interested in the faith safe?

This Igbo man converted to Islam (for reasons best known to him) but the attitude of all those around him changed to the extent that they all left him due to his new found faith.

So my question is How can people reconcile Faith or Change with tolerance?

With the above post i'm sure you can now see that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES don't hate anyone.
You are our neighbour no matter your religion but you can't expect us to relate with you the same way we will relate with our neighbours with whom we share the same beliefs.
That's the point!

Greenholics:
Thank God there is peace, no more racism and political issues in the world.....lol

That's what we are telling people throughout the earth, no members of Jehovah's Witnesses is carrying weapons anywhere on this planet for the purpose of fighting in support of any country or race.
It's our God that established such peace in our midst, so if all the religions on this planet can do the same then there will be total peace.
This means that it's other religions that are to be held responsible for the killings due to racism and politics going on around the world today JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES aren't part of them! John 15:19

sonmvayina:
Hope you are not anti sematic..?
God never told any prophet he was going to impregnate another man's wife. Why should they listen to anybody who says otherwise. Except you are saying God lied to them...

That's the beliefs of a registered religious group and they are permitted under the laws of human society to operate, as long as they're not forcing their beliefs on anyone so i don't think anyone should have a problem with whatever they think, say or do about their God!

sonmvayina:
You really don't understand what God is and is not.
God can because of your sin of idolatry and those who join you, punish the whole of Nigeria. His ways if far above ours...

The highlighted is exactly what Boko Haram are saying!

I want you to know today that the God of Israel will never punish other nations because of idolatry!

WHY?

Because He never entered into any Covenant with the nation as He did with Israel. So His laws doesn't holds anyone who is not living within the boundaries of the nation with whom the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had a Covenant. That's why the Laws stands as a WITNESS against that nation because their God singlehandedly released them from Egyptian bondage. Nigerian are not His people so whoever choose to worship the God of Israel in Nigeria is the one with whom that God will settle the score not people who never had anything to do with Him. That's why He is called a God of JUSTICE!