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God is not the one who invited the astrologers they're not His worshipers so He had nothing to do with them. Satan is their god and he wanted baby Jesus killed that's why the star didn't lead the astrologers directly to where baby Jesus is rather it first led them to Jerusalem where Herod the great is and that's what led to the killing of babies that years!

So the star those astrologers saw was not an ordinary star but Satan {Job 38:7} leading his worshipers to go and reveal the hideout of his greatest enemy the child that has come to destroy him! Genesis 3:15

tctrills:
Oh you now agree it's the same kingdom that Jesus was talking about right? Now we are making the same point.
Jesus Christ said to enter his kingdom you need to be born again. He was talking about his kingdom not a destination. Please read John 5 and point out where he mentioned destination?
Again, if you read your Bible, it says except a man be born again. It did not say except a Jew be born again.
And John 5.3 never mentioned earth or heaven
Also, you quoted Matthew 5 verse 3 and 5 but you forget that the same people that inherit the earth would also inherit heaven. It's possible for a man to be both poor in spirit and meek.
In fact a Christian who is poor in spirit would most likely be meek

Jesus often speak in Parables but @ Matthew 5:3 & 5 he expressly stated where the two blessed groups will be.

Heaven for the first group and earth for the second group.
The first group will be resurrected first that's why they're not to go with flesh and blood (physical body) but the second group will be resurrected later and their destination is planet earth.
That's the reason for double resurrection!

Techobeys:
Perhaps, that’s left out of the Bible.

NO!
Otherwise you may be wrong to think Jesus is the Christ.
There's no verse in the Old Testament where it's stated that the Christ will be born at so and so date that's why some people rose among the Jews claiming they're the Christ before Jesus was born {Act 5:36-37 compare to John 10:8} and until now the Jews are still expecting another Christ as most of them don't believe in Jesus at all.

But what helped Jesus' disciples to understand that this man from Nazareth is the true Christ?

*He was born from the lineage of King David just as the scriptures foretold.
*He preached about world peace without being racist.
*He performed most of what God promised the Messiah will do when he begin his rule.
*A prophet made preparation for his coming.
*He was betrayed by 30 pieces of silver coin.
*He was executed alongside criminals.
*They cast lots over the only property he had.

All these were the evidences gathered before his disciples were convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus of Nazareth was the promised Messiah.

So if some people said Jesus ousted Satan from heaven in the year 1914 are we to ask for where it was written in the Bible like the Jews are asking about Jesus until now or look out for evidences pointing to the fact that what Jesus said is now happening globally?

John the baptist who prepared the way for Jesus sent his disciples to ask if Jesus is truly the Christ or another person is coming {Matthew 11:2-3} what was Jesus' reply? He only told John's disciples to go back and report what is happening! Matthew 11:4-6

Please instead of asking for where it was written in the scriptures pay attention to the evidence pointing to the fact that Satan has been ousted and concentrate on the events happening around the world today that's what Jesus encouraged John the baptist to do when he was bordered about what was disturbing the Christ from acting regarding his arrest and detention.

May you have PEACE!

Expanse2020:
But he has clearly stated that before that they are different entities with proof in the Bible

You're responding to a disguised atheist that's why i always ignore him.
Ask him to tell you the name of his church and the doctrine he subscribe to!

Expanse2020:
Yeah
I always like fact but you never proof that trinity but one pastor have made the point on the trinity can you dispute.
That why I like Jehovah witnesses people they speak truth

TRINITY is a pagan doctrine that was accepted towards the end of second century as most people around the Mediterranean sea worship triune gods so the churches used the trinity to woo those pagans that's why the word TRINITY can't be found anywhere in the Bible!

Ever8090:
Jehovah witness sermon I guess

It's not a sermon rather response to someone's question of course i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Padipadi:
Ok. I go obey Jesus.
But I ll still go with some nukes!

To obey Jesus is very simple because you will clearly notice those who are humbly looking for the truth and those who just want their opinions approved! Malachi 3:16-18

So just humbly obey Jesus' words CAREFULLY and you won't miss the path to life! Matthew 7:13-14

tctrills:
Jesus Christ never said he has 2 different kingdoms.
Clearly your organization is not fit for the kingdom.
I understand you wish that there are 2 different kingdoms of God but no there is Just one kingdom.
But if you have any verse teaching that we have 2 kingdoms of God, I will believe you.
Over to you sir
Don't get me wrong, I totally enjoyed the example you gave with Nigeria but it was totally irrelevant.
If you can't produce a verse that teaches about 2 different kingdoms of God, then you are again giving you opinion and depending on guesswork.

It's the same kingdom but different destination.

The rulers will live with the King in heaven {Matthew 5:3} while the subjects will live on planet earth! Matthew 5:5

Padipadi:
I v bombarded him. He dare not come back here. He's Daddy Freeze's sheeple!
Anytime you see a mofo like him or islámists, call me via IDF (Isreali Defensive Force) alert!
I ll nuke them from any location!

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa that's not what Jesus taught us we are to:
Search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:6

This means paying attention to the spiritual needs of those who wants to know how to IDENTIFY God's organization (family) so we can invite them in. But when we see people who just want their opinion to be approved we leave them alone.

This is what knowing God and Jesus for our salvation means! John 17:3

The PREACHING and TEACHING program Jesus commissioned was to help interested persons throughout the earth to know:

Who is God?
Where does He lives?
What are His likes and dislikes?
Who are His friends and who are His enemies?
How can a total stranger because His friend?
Why did He choose Israel out of all others?
What does He expect them to do?
Why did He later rejected and cursed them?


Who is Jesus?
Is he part of the descendants of Adam?
If not what is his mission on earth?
Why must he be born among the Jews?
What did he teach his disciples and what did he expect them to achieve with his teachings?
Who are those following their footsteps today?
Are modern day disciples achieving the goal?
If they do what will be their reward?
What will Jesus do to those who failed to do what is required?


Whoever doesn't know the answers to all these questions has not known God and Jesus because these are the questions all worshipers of God must answer as His servants everywhere we go! Matthew 20:19-20

TenQ:
Remove the comma and read what the Greek says: why did you swap today with I say?

So the comma was added by translators it simply means the reader need to use his God's given power of reasoning to get the sense of what Jesus said there.

God's word never promised the evil everlasting life but the good {Psalms 37:9-11, 29} so the thief is not qualified for everlasting life but because he acknowledged Jesus as King that's why Jesus gave him that promise that he (Jesus) will see to it that this man wakes up with other UNRIGHTEOUS ones during resurrection in Paradise there Jesus will see to it that the man learn from Christians how to become a righteous person not that a thief who was never baptized nor anointed with God's Holy Spirit will go to heaven!

Aemmyjah:
I like the way everything leads to another
And you added verses. Welldone sir

You guys taught me!

Expanse2020:
I like that
Wow Wow Wow
Wait you don't believe in Trinity
And who are the trinitarians in Christianity
Then can you proof from bible that Jesus doesn't support trinity.. I just like fact as you always quotes

I was a Muslim like you it's Jehovah's Witnesses that taught me and pray for God's Holy Spirit to help me in preaching and teaching effectively so my friend welcome a free home Bible study from them and you will become better than me in teaching of God's word!

bobestman:
John 20:30; 21:25. You are a baby spiritually. Even many of the translators ommited certain things for reasons known to them. It is not just to read, without knowledge you can't understand. I am not your mate on these things

bobestman:
I gave you a verse up their. You are a big fool

You're just agitating in vain because:

"There are many things not recorded in your bible" ~ bobestman

gameova:
No sense still

It will not make sense to you until you're out there condemning everything your religion taught you about God by the time you are rejected by all members of your religion.

Note all those commenting in support of your motion apart from me all of them have abandoned their religions completely!

Padipadi:
Which product you wan buy o?
Secondly, has any church ever told you they can't lead you to kingdom of God?
And do you want to enter the kingdom of God?
Do you even reason Christianity at all?

He is just deceiving himself.

But since his friends are here i will leave him with them to discuss what knowing God and Jesus meant and why it's attached to our salvation!

tctrills:
Sir you are the one who is failing to understand the word of God. If you notice, I did not mention going to heaven. I used the term, ' the kingdom of God'
Now the kingdom of God could be in heaven or even on earth.
In the Lord's prayer, it states, 'thy kingdom come'. The kingdom of God is simply a place where God has Sovereign.
Now to be part of God's kingdom, what is the qualification?

Jesus Christ answered this question.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
So it doesn't matter if the kingdom is on earth or in heaven, no one from your organization would be there.
Now if you are not part of God's kingdom, where would you be but outter darkness.

I hope you understand it now.

The Kingdom of God mentioned to a member of the Jewish high court like Nicodemus totally differs from the kingdom of God mentioned to gentiles or common Jews.

It's like telling a prominent politician in Nigeria: "You will be part of Nigerians"
Do you think he will assume you're talking about just being a subject citizen in Nigeria?
Of course not he will be anticipating being part of those in authority (Abuja)
That's what Nicodemus had in mind and Jesus made him to understand that it's not by being just a Jew or member of the Jewish High Court as most Jews presumed

When Jesus mention God's Kingdom for others who aren't prominent politicians among the Jews he meant members of the corulers with Christ that's why he told a prominent politician to sell everything he has before he can enter God's kingdom {Luke 18:18-23} Jesus never said this to any other person because to gain citizenship in God's kingdom we have to acknowledge the role of those who will rule with Christ, this ones he referred to as his brothers! Matthew 25:31-46

Jesus promised to take his corulers to heaven {John 14:1-3} where angels live so just as the inhabitants of Abuja are part of those under the Nigerian government angels in heaven are also members of God's family and just as the taken of Nigeria's government house was taken to Abuja the same way God's kingdom government house was taken away from Jerusalem to heaven but that doesn't mean all Nigerians must go to Abuja neither does it mean that inhabitants of Abuja must leave the place for the corulers with our president.

So God's Kingdom has two destinations:

Heavenly government house where Christ and his corulers will stay.

Paradise Earth where billions of obedient mankind will stay enjoying the benefits of God's kingdom.

gameova:
If JW is the only christian denomination on earth, I'll rather be atheist, but Thank God it isn't. Abeg rest

You're already an atheist because only JWs stood against Hellfire doctrine so get your luggages and leave the churches of Christendom and join atheists!

Expanse2020:
Can please share more light on the topic.
I like it when you state your view it somehow more genuine. Thanks

*Jesus is the Son of God SENT to the world. John 3:16

*Angels are God's Sons SENT on errands.

*Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15

*Angels are the first creatures God created. Job 38:7

*Jesus is the commander in chief of all heavenly armies {Matthew 25:31} just as Michael is the head of all the angels! Revelations 12:7

*Jesus always stand for the salvation of God's people {John 3:16-17} the same thing Michael always do! Daniel 12:1

*Jesus is the only person who orders Satan (another powerful angel) around {Matthew 4:10} exactly what only Michael could do! Jude 9 compare to Revelations 12:7-9

So most Bible scholars checked all these and kicked against the TRINITY doctrine but trinitarians insisted that Jesus is God Almighty instead of the son SENT by GOD!

bobestman:
You are just a brainwash fool. You think you know but know nothing. You laugh at ppl but can't see that you are the one in error. I will never take it lightly with you ppl. Inspite of your many errors and lies. You ppl still claim to be the only true ppl. Thieves!

You can't prove any of the above because:

"There are many things not recorded in your bible" ~ bobestman

bobestman:
You are working without knowledge just like a man building without a plan. You don't see. You don't hear. You are not led by the spirit that makes one a son of God. You are just following your GB's order. You are working in vain!

You can't prove any of the above because:

"There are many things not recorded in your bible" ~ bobestman

TenQ:
I edited it to read the real translation of the greek
Check it out in the attachment: Why did you swap TODAY with "I SAY"
Say exactly what Jesus said rather than attributing to Him what you want him to say!

Was there a comma in the original writing?

Ọmọ it's translators who added chapters, verses and the punctuations.

bobestman:
JWs are brain dead ppl. They have been decieved and their brains hijaacked. They are working for their GB claiming they are working for a God they don't know. They are even claiming to replace ppl God made covenant with. The foolish followers never read with their brain to see the many lies of their dead organisation/company. Bunch of headless fools

You've forgotten that there are many things not recorded in the Bible shey?

The complete Bible said we must work for the Governing Body otherwise we are enemies of the Messiah.

So there's no need to argue hold onto your ideas while i hold onto mine!

bobestman:
You are still a baby spiritually. There are many things not recorded in your bible. Did Enoch die? Did Elijah die? I rather call the messiah the name in the first edited bible than what many of you call that you don't know the origin. You call a Hebrew man a name that has no meaning in Hebrew and even in all languages
When you have nothing tn say again you come up with all these useless questions

The highlighted is enough so no further comment!

gameova:
So having a conflicting view with you JW clowns means I'm an atheist? Oh wow not surprising. You people are famous for your false doctrines and prophecies. Keep it up.

Ọmọ you're having a conflict with the only two religious ideas ever it's either you join the JWs who say there's no Hellfire or you continue with the churches of Christendom with their Hellfire doctrine there's no sitting on the fence failure to pick any of these two means you're an atheist in the making!

Kingsnairaland:
There is no way you can understand it until you set your eyes only on Jesus.

Guy Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} and King of Jehovah's Witnesses {Matthew 2:2} so PEACE reign in God's organization {1Corinthians 14:33} while you and your fellow deceivers are fighting and killing one another over politics! Revelations 6:3-4

Present the subject of your own Jesus, i present Jehovah's Witnesses organization as the subjects of my own Jesus!

TenQ:
So, you are saying that Jesus was not speaking he truth!?

Is the statement“Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” UNTRUE?

You've edited my post this is the rendering:

“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”

Jesus made the promise that day but it's not the same day that he will be with that thief in Paradise. If lifetime insurance of $50b is issued to a day old baby and the giver say the child should be given when he is 25 years old surely it's until he attain that age before he could become a billionaire but the assurance has been granted that day.

So Jesus made that promise but the thief will start enjoying the benefits when Paradise begins on planet earth only BORN AGAIN Christians (baptized with water and anointed with God's Holy Spirit}l) are going to heaven {John 3:3-5} that thief never got baptized in water nor anointed with Holy Spirit!

Janosky:

You are wiser than Martin Luther & Charles Spurgeon?

Your "oly ghost" taught them Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael.

Oga,dey play.

They're all confused yet to Jehovah's Witnesses who are supposed to TEACH them they have refuse to listen, won't you be surprised that there are some of them now that are against their own Hellfire doctrines?

gameova:
Try placing your hand in a burning gas cooker fire for just 10 seconds, imagine the pain? Worse still, remember the Aluu 4 boys that where burnt to death in 2012, remember their agony? Now we are meant to believe that a loving God will place his priced creation in a place of everlasting fire burning for all eternity with no form of escape because of finite transgressions and not believing in the death of his son? Even Hitler or the worse human in all history doesn't deserve such punishment.

Christians please make it make sense. Thanks

https://www.nairaland.com/7928985/hell-fire-not-logical

Yet he jumped in here to argue in support of Hellfire teacher like Kumuyi!

So he wants to eat his cake and still have it by condemning Hellfire doctrine like JWs but against Michael being Jesus at the same time!

Techobeys:
I agree with you when you say it’s future. It’s a prophesy of what will happen after he was dead. I just wanted to be sure whether you think Satan is already ousted now or is he still in heaven?

He was ousted in the year 1914 so we are now in the last of the last days!

tctrills:
God's will is that we all find eternal life that's why he sent His Son.

So it makes no sense to take advice from an organization that can't get me to my destination.
For me, it's the kingdom of God or nothing.
There are 2 options, the kingdom of God or the kingdom of darkness. There is no middle ground.
The organization you advertise have openly said that the are not interested in leading their members into the kingdom of God that's why I jump and pass.
If you claim to do God's will buy can't enter his kingdom, then you must be lying to yourself.
I don't follow people who are deceiving themselves.
I hope you understand.

You're misconstruing the whole thing but then you've made up your mind so wait for those who knows God and Jesus.

However God's kingdom is the goal of his people what you're demanding belongs only to God even Jesus can't grant it to anyone apart from the apostles whom God has said will form the 12 foundation stones of the new Jerusalem {Revelations 21:14} they are the ones to start the 144,000 members of corulers with Christ {Revelations 14:1} they are not just Israelites as most of you have been taught the original twelve tribes of Israel {Exodus 1:1-4 compare to Revelations 7:5-8} they are called spiritual Israel or new Jerusalem they supposed to rule with Christ in Jerusalem but since the city has been profaned with the killing of God's prophets {Matthew 23:37-38} and finally they disowned their God's anointed King who is the Messiah {Matthew 27:24-25 compare to John 19:12-18} that's what Jesus foresaw before promising his corulers that it will no longer be only Israelites that will join in ruling with him {Luke 13:29} so the gentiles who are supposed subjects in God's kingdom will become part of the ruling class or first class while many Jews will be under their rule {Luke 13:30; Matthew 19:30; Mark 10:31} Jesus promised this ruling class that they will be taken to heaven because that is where their government house will be! John 14:1-3

So if we tell you that it's not all righteous people that are going to heaven that's the truth God never purposed for humans to live in heaven it's the rulership of God's kingdom that was taken away from Jerusalem that made that possible and it's only Christ's corulers that are going there among these ones even Jesus has no say about who will be part of them it only belongs to God to select them! Matthew 20:20-23

That's what you're misconstruing saying God's organization won't lead members to God's kingdom, Paradise is going to be on planet earth and that's where subjects of God's kingdom will be while Christ's corulers will be in the spiritual realm ruling with him in heaven!

Kingsnairaland:
You are looking for physical unite rather than looking at God that is why you think a set of men is your Savior and an organization is your hope.

Guy go and sleep you're making no sense with your god!

TenQ:
In comma!??
Including the good thief on the cross?
He was in comma in paradise!

Where is Paradise?
Ọmọ Jesus didn't go to anywhere that day with the thief this is the correct rendering of what Jesus said:

“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43

So it was that day Jesus promised the thief not that the guy is going to heaven o!

Dada4me:
Jesus said they don't need to fast because He is still with them but they will fast after His departure from them. I am not surprised at the way you twist the scriptures to turn people's mind from the pure and simple Gospel they've had.
Truly, a natural man cannot discern the things of the spirit.

We're both saying the same thing.

So answer those questions if you're a believer and not just being dogmatic:

How did the first century Christians fasted?
What time did they start to what time?
Who announced it that they should start it?
How many days did Christians fasted?