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No such thing as god's voice. . .Inner voice that people make is what various people have been conditioned to believe is their god's voice. . .No body can tell u exactly what god's voice is yet people keep making crazy assertions like they speak to god. . .Some go as far as saying that god tells them things. . .Tell them to describe specifically how their god's voice is or sounds so that you can have an idea that's when they will start crying and blabbing. . .

Of course they have to believe that demons and evil spirit causes disease. . .Even in the bible all diseases are attributed to demons and evil spirits as the cause . .When ever a person is reported to be ill in most pats of the bible, evil spirits are claimed to be the cause, not micro organisms or organ and system failure. . .

Some men get jealous when they feel their wives give too much attention to the kids and ignore them. . .I know some one going through this at the moment. . .She will soon regret it cos he has started hanging out with the boys again. . .Trouble is looming. . .

Another april fool. . .

Why are buddhist not fighting hindus and christians?. . .Why are they fighting only muslims?. . .

Why are buddhist not fighting hindus and christians?. . .Why are they fighting only muslims?. . .In fact why is it that when ever there is a religious crisis it is always islam vs some other religion. . .Throught out my life Ihave never heard of christians fighting any religion apart from islam or hindus fighting any boy apart from muslims. . now its buddist. . Na wah ohhh. . .

For those of you comparing tattoos and tribal marks, the two are NOT the same. Adults give themselves tattoos, while tribal marks are made on kids by their parents and guardians. . .Why don't you allow the kids to grow up and seek their consent before mutilating their faces? Which adult will want his face to be mutilated all in the name of tribal marks. . .For parents that support this evil act, why carry it on your innocent kids? Why not wait till they are adults. . .Any parent that tries to mutilate the face of a 21 old child will be severely beaten by that chid. . .Parents know its bad that is why they carry it out ONLY on their helpless kids when they are babies not when they are adults. . .

Where are the two?. . .Logicboy and Anonny?. . .I miss them. . .

ooman: I have no proof whatsoever that these groups worship satan, but the dvds and talks of these people always say they are devil worshipers, I mean that is the general thought.

just makes it even better if they dont worship anything, so when I join, I will remain a nontheist.

General thought doesn't make it true. . .They have nothing to do with satan worship its all an urban legend. . .

frosbel: Deception.

Jesuits are dangerous.

This MAN wants to bring all Christians under mother church , and guess what, many , many will be deceived.

"For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." - Mark 13:22

Frosbel, frosbel, frosbel. . .

ooman: its obvious, check the illuminati and the freemasons, these guys are rich. I can join them too.

the devil is a million times better and greater than God.

What evidence do you have to show that these groups worship satan?. .

mantraa: Yes I am based in London. I went to the talk with Leo Igwe and the central London humanists. It was an excellent talk with questions at the end. The event was filmed and they say they will be uploading it shortly.

Here is a video of another talk he did in London recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxg0W0Wk3Qo

Leo Igwe is funny in his own kind of way. . .

vislabraye: With all the miracles that do happen, people still think there's no God. I think people choose what to believe and what not to believe.

Which miracles?. . .

ooman: Satanists can help you better than xtians and muslims

. . .How can they help him better than the other groups?. .

highness 111: Hello pple,

I write this with utmost anger and total regret. I have followed God. I've prayed , fasted and done all manner of prayers even avoiding sin just to see if God ll change my situation.

Now it seems there is no God or he is not interested in the plight of people. So right now I've made up my mind to turn to Satan to see if there ll be help.

I'm begging the Satanists, pegans here to help me find a path to follow.

This thread is not for grammar or any kind of sermon pls.

Thanks.

You want to leave one imaginary construct(god) to stick or hold on to another imaginary idea(satan). . .There are no gods and there are no satan and devils. . .Everything that man needs to do must be done by man himself. . .NO god or devil has ever done anything for any man. . .Just do your best and leave what is beyond your control. . .Be positive. . .At the end of it all , if you are lucky some one some where will come to your aid. . .I wish you all the best. . .

Some thing tells me that Ihedinobi and anony are the same person. . .

Ihedinobi: @mazaje

You know it's getting boring to read you. Ah well, fifth time (or is it fiftieth?) is the charm.

Whatever. . .Next!

Ihedinobi: Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:9

One who has the Spirit of Christ is a Christian. He possesses the Nature of Christ and thus can be explained by Christ. How the Bible represents Christ as being is how the Christian too is.

Nature of christs also including ability to heal people at will. . .After all Jesus said those that believe in him will do greater things than he did. . .The stories written about him stated that he was a great miracle worker that went about performing magic and doing great wonders all over the place. . .

Well, we are most certainly agreed on what the conditions are. The problem is that you don't know what faith means. And I have explained it So you are to show what's wrong with the explanation if you disagree with it.

You just made things up about faith having to do with god's will. . .PLEASE WHAT IS GOD'S WILL according to the bible. . . .The bile talks about god's will for his children and in some places it says it is for them to prosper in all they do. . .It does NOT include sickness and premature death as part of god's will does it?. .

Why? Where does it say that prayer only works to give the petitioner whatever they wish without qualification?

Belief is the only qualification. . .If you believe your prayers will be answered is what was written. . .If this is true then the parents that truly believed should have their prayers answered no?. . .Remember according to the bible the will of gods is for his children to prosper. . .

Well, they must be gathered in His Name, that is, in agreement with His Character, in His Spirit, in His Authority, for their petitions to be honored by the Father. There must be that about them that assures the Father of the worthiness of their petitions.

And the baby's parents did not gather in his name?. . .

Well, it seems to be you who insist on defining for God what prosperity must mean and what it mustn't, not me. Because God is all-knowing and infinitely wise, the believer is content to be wrong about what he judges prosperity and health to be. He is aware that when he supposes that it is good for him that, say, his ailing child be healed and given back to him, it may not actually be when every possible thing has been considered. And he knows that he lacks the ability to consider all things whereas God does not. So he trusts God to answer His plea according to His Own more perfect and more trustworthy understanding of good.

We truly are in the silly season. . .So what is god's defination of health and prosperity?. . .Where in the biblke is it written that god will refuse to answer the prayers of those that truly believe in him because their definition of health and prosperity is different from his?. . .Until you show me where such is written, I will maintain that you are a complete disgrace to the bible which you claim to be defending. . .Again according to the bible. . .

Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Here the bible is very clear. . .I really don't know where you got the nonsense you are espousing. . No wonder you can not even give a biblical verse to support any of the jargons you are spewing. . .

Where does it exclude it?
Where did He tell them to not go?
Does it tell them to not go to the hospital?

Where does the bible SPECIFICALLY say that smoking is wrong?. . .What about female circumsion?. . .The bible recommended prayers above any other thing when a person is sick. . .That goes to show that to the bible prayer is the most paramount thing a person needs to do when sick. . .

Nonsense. You're arguing from silence. That the Scriptures did not say that the sick should go to the hospitals is no reason to argue that they in fact hold that sick people should not go to the hospitals. That's a really inane conclusion. That people came to Jesus to be healed does not mean that He wouldn't have had them use the medical sciences. You're pitifully wrong.

The problem is that according to the bible prayers is what cures diseases and as such in most cases where people were sick, prayers is what was used to cure them. . .That prayer fails in reality to cure people but succeds in the pages of story books says a lot about prayers and its eficacy. . .

Interesting claim you make that medicine is always curing the sick. Very interesting considering that there are multitide illnesses modern medicine is still stomped by. As it is, no viral sickness yet has a cure. And as I have said, the fact that some people have failed to receive healing as a result of prayer does not prove that prayer does not work because the purpose of prayer is not to always give the petitioner whatever he demands.

Medicine despite is failures can NEVER be compared to the myth of prayers. Medicine has a track record while prayers has non. . .Prayers alone has never been demonstarted to cure any body. Medicine on a lot of cases has. . .

Yeah, if one believes, it is God that they believe, if they believe God, then it is their confidence that He can be trusted. If they think that He can be trusted as God, they will ask according to what they know He is pleased to give. If they think that He can be trusted as God, when they ask for things, they'll accept any answer He gices as being sufficient for what they asked. All of His answers will accomplish what they were asking for even if it appeared to be a refusal.

Only that according to the bible it clearly states that what ever you ask for and believe, you will get it. . .Fo you clearly fail. . .

In short, prayers made in faith are prayers made out of trust in God's ability to give what is needed and is best for the petitioner rather than prayers made to male God act in a certain way.

The bible is clear on how that is supposed to work, ask believe and you will get it. . .

Nonsense. Prayer is not a magical incantation to control outcomes. Prayer is simply communication with God. And it is part of that communication to ask God for things and to hear Him respond according to His omniscience, omnipotence and love for the petitioner. Nowhere do the Scriptures hold that God is a magician for hire and that prayer is His pay or whatever.

What does Jesus mean when he says this. . . If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer?. . .and this
Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

What does it mean if not to control out comes?. . .You are a complete JOKE. .

Ihedinobi: Sure you don't take me seriously. That's why you went hunting for Bible verses to shut me up That's why you felt obliged to straighten me out in a conversation I was having with somebody else, not you.

And that high horse of mine may be high because it really is. Why do you want me to get off it? Because it would suit you better if I was unable to see the nonsense in your posts? Also, if you can see through my "sophism", you shouldn't find it too difficult to show the errors hidden in the "seemingly clever" arguments I make. Claiming that everybody sees it does not make it true that there is a fallacy in my arguments, you know.

Still going to answer your post though, but not now

Actually you over impress your self by thinking the nonsense you type means anything to any one to the extent that you use the words you are generous to reply. . .You can deny all you want but the nonsense you typed was clearly shown to you by me and others here. . .The point is simple. . .According to the bible the case of the baby whose parents prayed for her to be healed is supposed to be answered period. . .The ONLY condition that Jesus gave for such prayers to be answered is belief. . .If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. . .You keep talking about things that are not even biblical like God's will when the bible has clearly stated and talked about god's will for his alleged children it says his will for them is to prosper. . .There is NO where in the bible where it says god's will for his children is to suffer pains, sickness and premature death if there is then pls show me. . .You need to read most of the nonsense you type before posting. . . As for answering my post, just say that you are still looking for sophist apologetics materials on the internet to copy from and post as "your" reply. . .

Ihedinobi: @mazaje

As usual, your post is a heap of nonsense and excuses and cop-ou
ts, but I'm feeling generous enough to answer it. But it'll be later.

You are the one actually typing rubbish not me. By the way you better come down from that imaginary high horse you think you are riding . I do not take all the nonsense you write here seriously so how can you use the word generous to answer to my post. You delude your self by thinking any body takes the utter junk you type here seriously . Every body sees through your sophism except you becuse you are too deluded .

Ihedinobi: Lol. Atheists and their claims to expertise on religion. Typical.



Lol. Perhaps you can explain what it means to say what a Christian should be. It sounds just as odd to me as saying what a tree should be. There is something that a Christian is and something that he is not. What a thing is is what it is in its most natural state, in its unguarded moments. And I have described what the Christian is.

How can your definition of who are christian is be supported by the bible. . .

So what exactly is your point, man? Did I insinuate that prayer does not involve asking for things and receiving them? Point out where I did, if you're of that opinion.


Besides, how does any of those passages you cited convey the thought that God exists for our convenience? Did you notice the conditions Jesus attached to the requests? One has to ask in His Name or on the strength of the Father's recognition of Him which means the asker cannot hope for a favorable response when his request contradicts the Character of Christ? One has to ask in Faith, and when you consider that Faith hinges on what God says or declares, then requests made in Faith must be understood to be requests made in consonance with God's revealed Will. Prayers of agreement eliminate selfish interest. Two believers or more in prayer concerning any given issue make possible the removal of selfishness in requests.

What exactly are you on about here?. . .And where did I say that god exist for people's convenience? You are just making things up and running commentary on them. . .I repeat the bible is very clear on how prayers are supposed to work. . .the ONLY condition is belief and faith. . .If prayer truly works then the child in the OP should have been healed when his parents asked. . .The parents came together prayed and asked god to heal their sick child. . .Many have done that any way and their kids ended up dead. . .Again from the bible. . .

Matthew 18:19 Jesus says it again:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

The bible has already talked about the will of god for his people. . .In other verses it clearly states that the will of god for his people is that they will prosper. . .You keep talking about this elusive will of god as if it is not already outlined in the bible. . .If you pray and you believe it will be done. . .If you are sick and you pray with belief in your heart for healing what is selfish about that?. . .According to the bible if such prayer is offered it will always be answered. . .Or is your own god's will for people to suffer sickness, pains, sorrow and premature death?. . .Is it not the same Jesus that said what ever you ask in his name with belief it will be done and who ever believes in him will do greater things than he did?. . .What exactly are you on about?. .

So how does that quote preclude the use of medical science, my friend? Are prayer and medicine mutually exclusive?

Where does it include medical science?. . .Where in the bible did Jesus tell any body to go to the hospital when the person is sick?. . .The passage in james told people who are sick to go to the church elders for prayers not hospitals. . .Prayers and medicine are completely mutually exclusive. . .While medicine is always curing people from their illnesses, prayers alone has never been shown or demonstrated to cure anybody even though that is what the bible recommends. . .after all when people were sick and came to Jesus and his desciples, they were all prayed for and healed magically. . .Even the bible recommends magical prayers when sick not medicine. . .

Such nonsense. Where was this claim made?

In every thing that you wrote. . .

Lol. I'm yet to see how any of those passages makes prayer a magic wand. I see conditions attached to the promises of answers to prayer, conditions that check the sort of abuse godless people would immediately jump on. Jesus made it clear: ask what I would ask, ask what the Father has promised to give, ask not merely to swell your possessions but to enter into the bounty of God's goodness and you will always have what you ask for. However, ask for your own selfish gain and you will have nothing.

The condition is belief and thats all. . .Again. . .The bible clearly says if you belief then prayer is a magic wand. . .

Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

If you are sick and you pray a prayer of belief that you will be healed, then according to the bible you will be healed, no drugs , nothing, just belief. . .PURE magic. . .And how is asking for a sick child to be healed asking out of selfishness?. . .If prayers work the child in question will be immediately healed since the parents truly believed and resulted to prayer as the first option. . .

Now if a man communes with God in prayer to discuss with Him as with his loving Father, he will still make requests for specific things and receive them if he asks in the character of Jesus Christ. If he asks in the wrong character, he will still get an answer: NO. Simples.

So asking for a sick child to be healed through Jesus is asking through the wrong character or what?. . .If prayers actually work as the bible puts it, we will not be here having this conversation. . .There is NO evidence what so ever to show that those who pray to god for healing recover faster that those who do not. . . .No evidence at all to show that prayer ALONE heals any body at all, even though that is what the bible recommends. . .

onyfrank: Yes! If the earth was billion of yrs old, humans & animals would've drank it all up. We would have no oceans. Yet d oceans take up 75% of d globe.
I think u could also make a similar argument with oxygen. If humans existed 4 billions of yrs like d Darwinists claim, we would 've ran out of air too.
I knw many of u will show up here and claim dat all d water we drink is eventually given off as sweat and urine. Well, jst think abt it - that would mean that all our lakes, oceans, rivers and streams would consist of urine and sweat. Evry time it rains and snows there would sweat and urine falling from the sky. The entire earth would b a giant cesspool of sweat and urine - we would b making our coffee 4rm fresh urine 4rm our faucets, and bathing in sweat and urine.
Logically u hav to go with d bible on this one.

. . .OP, what exactly are you ranting about?. . .

manmustwac: @InspiredByGod
This story is somehow similar to that of the parents of the 3 month old baby I would appreciate if you read it
Nurse who threw her hands in the air and begged for Jesus to help as baby suffered heart attack is struck off

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2057543/Nurse-threw-hands-air-begged-Jesus-help-baby-suffered-heart-attack-struck-off.html

nurse who threw her hands into the air and begged for Jesus to help as a baby suffered a heart attack has been thrown out of the profession.

Omolayo Abayomi 'panicked' when the child, who suffered from a chronic lung disease, turned blue and stopped breathing in his cot at home.

The 51-year-old called for divine intervention more than 20 times before the vulnerable boy's mother told her to 'shut up'.

'The nurse was constantly saying "Jesus help him" and waving her arms around,' a hearing was told.

The nurse 'provided wholly inadequate care' by leaving the frantic mother to resuscitate her lifeless son, while the father dialled 999.

Abayomi was found guilty of a string of charges by the Nursing and Midwifery Council at a hearing in central London.

Sydney Topping, for Abayomi, insisted his client's behaviour had represented no more than a 'bad day at the office' and urged the panel to let her off with a caution.

'Once in a while you have a bad day at the office,' he said.

'I would suggest that on April 8 the registrant had a bad day at the office. It was no worse than that. She has bounced back since then.'

That is what nurses and doctors in Nigeria do. . .Waste time praying instead of saving the lives of their patients. . .

Ihedinobi: So, can you show exactly how that post of mine failed to show that prayers involve making requesta and receiving answers?

Nothing you wrote in in your reply to Area boy is even biblical because the bible clearly states how prayers are supposed to work. . .It even goes on to talk about the will of god for those that believe in him and ask him things through prayers. . .

Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Ihedinobi: @Area boy

The Christian does not consider prayer to be a magic wand that gives him anything he thinks is good for him. He thinks of it as hanging out with a really good friend, dad and comrade. All that is what God is to the Christian.
So it is erroneous to treat prayer like a tool of God-persuasion which results either in getting what you want and thus proving something about God to you or in not getting it and thus proving another. That is what aliens to the House of God do, not what children of the House do.

Again I ask which christian?. . .Because even the bible says prayers are magic. . .If you truly believe and you ask it will be given to you or done as you ask. . .I know you will say people ask amiss but asking for healing for your child is NOT asking amiss. . .Because even Jesus said those that believe in him will do greater things than he did. . We were told he was a great miracle worker that went about healing people through magic including those that do not even believe in him. . .

What is erroneous is throwing the bible under the bus and saying thigs that are not biblical so that mythology can be promoted. . .

Ihedinobi: @Area boy

The beginning and end of the "disbeliever's" trouble with God is that He won't fit the little boxes man makes for Him. Whether or not you believe that God exists, I'm sure you appreciate the concept of Necessity and that of Contingency. If God exists, He'd be a Necessary Being rather than a Contingent Being. That means that He would not do or undo, say or un-say, anything at all, literally exist at all at anyone's behest. Everything would exist at His behest instead.

That means that arguments against His existence that are built upon the idea that God exists for man's convenience are essentially non-arguments. They create a definition of God that suits their purpose and proceed to attack it.

You are the one that is actually creating a god that really has nothing to do with the god of the bible you claim to believe in, you then go ahead and defend such a god of your own conception. . .

Yahweh is held by the Christian to be not only Sustainer of Life but Sovereign Lord of it as well. The Christian believes that he can trust God in and for everything. The Christian holds that he does not know everything nor does he understand everything but that God does and that God can be taken at His Word. For this reason, he holds that whatever he may go through, there is a good reason which he will learn at some point for which he must endure or enjoy it, as the case may be.

The Christian does not think that God exists for his convenience. In fact, he does not think that God exists for him at all. He is positive that it is he himself who exists for God, that his being is contingent upon God's Own. That is how the picture is. So he does not pray to make God do things that suit his convenience. He prays to get into agreement with God's Will about his life. Since he believes that God knows everything and understands everything and that God has a good end in mind for him and also that God has given him the choice to cooperate with Him in achieving God's End for him or resist Him, the whole point of prayer for him is communication with God, to share his desires and hopes with Him and have Him share His Own Desires and Hopes with him. By this, he will learn steadily to cooperate with God toward achieving God's Dreams for him. The Christian does not consider prayer to be a magic wand that gives him anything he thinks is good for him. He thinks of it as hanging out with a really good friend, dad and comrade. All that is what God is to the Christian.

Which christian EXACTLY are you talking about?. . .Your OWN personal conception of who a christian should be?. . .Firstly even the bible clearly states how prayers are supposed to be carried out and their corresponding results non of the nonsense you have typed is even biblical. . .It is clearly stated in the bible. . .All you need is JUST to BELIEVE and god's will which is always for the good will be done. . .The bible clearly states how prayers are supposed to work according to the words people wrote that Jesus spoke himself. . .

Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Ask and you will receive. What could be simpler than that?

Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

Matthew 18:19 Jesus says it again:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

So it is erroneous to treat prayer like a tool of God-persuasion which results either in getting what you want and thus proving something about God to you or in not getting it and thus proving another. That is what aliens to the House of God do, not what children of the House do.

The bible clearly shows that you do not know what you are talking about. . .

Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. . .

Prayers is actually what is recommended in the bible for people that are sick not hospital or drugs . . .

Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. James 5:14

I know its easy to throw the bible under the bus and claim it never says prayers are to be answered according to how people say it. . .Relegate prayers to "its just a communication with god" bla bla bla. . .The bible it self is VERY CLEAR on how prayers are suppose to work. . .You clearly do not know what you are talking about. . .You are just telling people what they should believe in not what the bible actually says. . .

If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]
If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]
Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]
Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]
Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]

The question, therefore, is simple. . . Are Jesus' statements in the bible true or false?

Deep Sight: Let me just add that my prayer for every man who subscribes to the virgin birth myth is that one, day, his own wife or intended wife will present him with such a story, namely, that she is pregnant when he has not touched her, and that an angel appeared to her with that same story as to the pregnancy.

Their reaction, will determine the extent of their "faith".

End of.

Emusan: How will you believe it. Anyway you just entered in-between. I'm not a pastor but is an authentic story.

Which one are you? If you're nonthiest read my tread this moring "Almighty God is the creator of the universe and everything no dispute" you can press follow on my profile to see it.

I will believe i if you can replicate it. . .After all your god works in you as you claim. . .I know a baby that is infected with polio, the doctaors say the baby will remain a cripple as long as he lives. . .Can I bring the baby to you to perform your magic in the name of your god?. . .

Your god created the universe, where, when and how?. . .

Emusan: Is Jonah in fish not Noah.
Extra-waiting? Which power do I have on my own?
Is like you didn't know what I'm talking about..... A child who is almost 2years old can only craw but she has never walked that day the spirit of God moved in me and I went straight to the child I held her by hand and make her to walk (everybody was saying thank God also her mother she was very happy but I told them is God not me because I can't explain how it happened) since that day she has started walking till now. So tell me; is it my power or God? because I don't have such power.

The bolded are pure LIES and remain only a figment of your imagination. . .

oldtime: Twenty questions atheists struggle to answer

1.What caused the universe to exist?[

No one knows, neither you nor the ancient men that created your god idea. . .Despite all our advance knowledge we now only know less that 10% of the universe. . .We actually do not fully know what it is. . . Modern astronomy is just a few decades old, less than 100 years old and it is what will eventually give us all the answers we need to know in the future. . .

2.What explains the fine tuning of the universe?

Fine tuning?. . .Fine tuned for what?. . .Fine turned for collisions, explosions and spiral movement or what?. . .Cos that is what we see happening in most parts of the universe. . .

3.Why is the universe rational?

Rational . . .Is the universe a human being?. . .

4.How did DNA and amino acids arise?

No one ones for sure. . .According to your religious myth god used words to create living things. . .Now explain to us how the hebrew language can be used to speak things into life. . .

5.Where did the genetic code come from?

6.How do irreducibly complex enzyme chains evolve?

7.How do we account for the origin of 116 distinct language families?

Languages evolved. . .Actually there was a point in human history where humans had no language. . .The english language we are using to communicate on this medium did not exist 500 years ago. . it was later created out of the anglo saxon language. . .

8.Why did cities suddenly appear all over the world between 3,000 and 1,000BC?

Cities did not suddenly appear cities were built. . .

9.How is independent thought possible in a world ruled by chance and necessity?

Because we are conscious beings. . .

10.How do we account for self-awareness?

The brain development. . .Without which you can not be self aware. . .

11.How is free will possible in a material universe?

What the hell is free will?. . .

12.How do we account for conscience?

Because we are sentient beings with the ability to self reflect. . .

13.On what basis can we make moral judgements?

Because we want to avoid chaos, for good and better survival. . .

14.Why does suffering matter?

Because we are conscious and sentient beings. . .

15.Why do human beings matter?

Because human beings are social animals that need each other and can not survive alone. . .

16.Why care about justice?

Because lack of justice leads to anarchy. . .

17.How do we account for the almost universal belief in the supernatural?

Because the human being is naturally superstitious. . .Ignorance about the workings of the universe

18.How do we know the supernatural does not exist?

No evidence of the supernatural working any where. . .The supernatural has never been shown to exist any where. . .All supernatural claims require natural explanations in reality. . .Once the rain bow was believed to be a supernatural occurance until science explained it. . .

19.How can we know if there is conscious existence after death?

No evidence for consciousness after death. . . .The brain is the only part of the human body we use to become conscious, once its dead consciousness dies with it. . .No evidence for life after death only lies and myths. . .

20.What accounts for the empty tomb, resurrection appearances and growth of the church?

Which empty tomb?. . .Hope you know that presently in Israel there are two empty tombs of Jesus that people visit. . . Resurrection appearances of Jesus only appear in a story written about Jesus very long after he died by people who never meet him or spoke his language. . .The resurrection appearances of Jesus have nothing to do with reality they are all a myth. . After all prophet Mohammed once divided the moon into two halves and made the moon bow down to him. . It is written in the hadith go and read them up. . .The growth of the church is for dominance and promotion and continuation of a tradition. . . .Go ask the muslims and the Hindus what accounts for their growths. . .The two religions put together have more adherents than the christians. . .

Alfamann: This ooman is really an olodo. A mazamaza goat seller.

I came here expecting a reformed atheist a la Annony, that refound god after dealing with his mental incapabilities. But what do we get? Just an atheist that disagrees with other atheists. And your goat herding brain made you call established fools like ihedinobi and striktlymi as your witness.

Can't you see your position? Even those fools ignored your call for help because they realise you may be even more foolish than them.

In fact, I suspected your folly when you decided to open a thread and announce that you have changed your name, (because of one ocman) only to announce 2 pages later that you didn't change it afterall. How you cannot differentiate between ooman and ocman beats me. And now you a thermodynamics expert because you can copy and paste diagrams. SMH. Even the ocman didn't complain but you had to twist yourself into parts first.

Please go all the way and rebecome a christian because you actually fit with them.

MacDaddy01: Even modern day christian apologists claim that Genesis is only metaphorical.....yet we have african monkeys like Iedinobi that shout and holler at the creationism in the bible as truth

Mordern day christian apologist know very well that is is very false hence theyr claim its an allegory. . .if the genesis creation account(which was actually never written as an allegory) is an allegory then we can as well say that the death and crucifixtion of jesus is also an allegory , no?. . .