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maclatunji: LOL. We Muslims do not take the word "Prophet" literally as you are applying here. You can't understand, e pass your level.

Anybody can start any new religion, that doesn't make them a prophet.

What is this?. . .LOL. Prophet Mohammed is a propeht just as Joseph Smith is also a prophet end of story. . .By the way you have refused to tell us if the ancient greeks that woshipped the only true god zeus were muslims.

Logicboy03: Jesus was never a muslim. This has been proven to you countless times. Jesus was a jew who lived with Jews and quoted Jewish scriptures!


Your definition of "muslim" is a disingenuous one done to cover up the facts. How can you say that muslim is one who submits to God?

Which god? The monotheistic Zoroastrain God?


Seriously, just confess that your religion makes no sense when it tries to surpass religions that it borrowed from

That is the muslim ploy to say that who ever woships one god is a mulsim. . .Were the ancient greeks that woship the only true god Zeus muslims?. . .What about the woshippers of Ifa?. . .Nonsense. . .

maclatunji: ^ On the contrary, you lack understanding. After the demise of Jesus (AS) his teachings became effective until the emergence of Muhammad (SAW). After him, there is no other Prophet, we all live under his era even if he is dead. We shall be judged based on whether or not we accept his teachings. You are just repeating the basic responses of most non-Muslims. Ask questions and then reject the answers.

You are always free to do that. Ours is to inform not to place belief in your hearts.

False there are so many prohets after Mohammed. . .Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormon religion is one. . .There are so many others. . . .

Am not married. . .My white girl friend here is an atheist, so no problem with that. . .My Nigerian girl friend is a christian and doesn't care that am atheist. . .She believes am just a rebel against her god and will change my mind someday. . .For now she doesn't care. . .

One word. . .ABORT the pregnancy. . .

OLAADEGBU: And this was from a year earlier. The population of Chinese Christians are said to be more than the total population of Nigeria put together.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT3TtcQF1Cw

Keep lying for Jesus. . .Show us where it is written that there are more than 150million christians in China. . .The latest count keeps it at about 75 million. . I know lying for Jesus is your forte. . .

OLAADEGBU: You are altogether instruments in the hand of the devil, you may kill the body but you cannot kill the soul.

LOL. . .You are a fool. . .Kill which body and cannot kill which soul?. . .Your bible says that the God it talks about will always protect his people but we have BH killing christians with impunity every sunday in Nigeria and you are coming up with this nonsense as a response?. . .

Here is what is written in the bible. . .

[b]Psalm 91
He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust." Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence. He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. If you make the Most High your dwelling - even the LORD, who is my refuge - then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent. "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name. He will call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him. With long life will I satisfy him and show him my salvation."[/b]

Where is the promise of protection with christians been killed in their God's own house every sunday whe they go to worship. . .deal with that snd stop acting a fool. . .

So?. . . .BH are busy bombing people in Nigerian churches all the time. . .Where is Jesus to save them?. . .

That is why it is called maguic because it invloves a lot of hidden tricks. . .My fellow dull Nigerians are busy quoting passages from the bible and retelling more myths. ITS MAGIC and there are HIDDEN TRICKS attached to it. . .Watch the sercets of magic unvield on youtube and learn about many of the tricks magicians use to decieve people. ITS ALL MAGIC AN MAGIC INVOLVES SIMPLE AND COMPLICATED TRICKS. . . .Nothing supernatural there. . .

Image123: you're satanic in summary.

Provide evidence to show satan exist and you are pointing to me?. . Are you high on cow dung?. . .

^^

How

musKeeto: @Shiva: you 4ked up vegetarian, of all the animals, cows? And if cleanliness is next to godliness, you're one spicy filthy god...

. . .All hail Shiva. . .

davidylan: not true because plaetton himself provided no proof. Prefering to dance around the issue while throwing veiled and/or blatant insults.

Let me use an example - the american society is not polygamous by nature and it is against the law... but some still marry more than 1 wife anyway. Does that mean americans are generally polygamous? no.

Same with the hebrews. Did some worship other gods out of disobedience? sure. but does that mean polytheism was enshrined as part of their culture? no

I know we will disagree on that but he did provide some evidence. . .You are taking a revisionist position and reading from the reacted english translation of the bible that does not do actual justice to the original hebrew. . . For example Genesis 31:13, which quite simply reads "I am the god Bethel" ('El Bet'el).

Even the first commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me," does not deny the existence of other deities and shows that the people had to be worshiping other Gods for such a commandment to have been issued to dissuade them from worshiping other Gods and worshiping Yahweh alone. The bible clearly shows that the people worshiped other Gods and were not all monotheist.

davidylan: At what point did yahweh or anony indicate that these gods did not exist?

The point of the debate as pletton stated was that the ancient Jews were polytheist. . .

I am tired of arguing about the existence of God/Gods. . .I want to know who Satan is what what are the evidence that point to his existence as an entity. . .Many people believe in the existence of Satan and Demons, some have even claimed to have meet and interacted with Satan while others believe that there are abundant evidence to show that Satan exist. I believe Satan is a myth and a fictional character, but any body with evidence to convince me should please bring it forward.

The final editors of the Hebrew canon were fervent monotheists, but a remnant of the polytheistic basis of the pre-Mosaic religion can still be detected. Albrecht Alt has shown that divine titles such as 'El Bet' el (Gen. 31:13; 35:7); 'El 'Olam (Gen. 21:33); and 'El Ro'i (Gen. 16:13); 'El 'Elyon (Gen. 14:18); and 'El Saddai (Gen. 17:1); all later taken to be one God (Yahweh) after Moses, were all originally separate gods worshipped by the early Hebrews.3 The Catholic scholar Bruce Vawter concurs with Alt. According to Vawter, none of the available English translations does justice to the original Hebrew of Genesis 31:13, which quite simply reads "I am the god Bethel" ('El Bet'el), who was a member of the Canaanite pantheon along with the rest of the above.4 The original meaning is therefore quite different from the traditional understanding: this god at Bethel is not the universal Lord who appeared at Bethel but just one god among many – a local deity of a specific place.

In the mutual swearing of Jacob and Laban (Gen. 31:51f) it is clear that two distinct gods are referred to.5 The work of later editors is clearly evident in this passage. As Alt states: "Was it not plain paganism for the ancestor of Israel and one of his relations to swear by two different gods? This dangerous sentence had to be rendered harmless by an addition or alternation."6 In Judges 11:24 Jepthah recognizes the authority of the god Chemosh, at least for the Ammonites in their own land.

The popular notion that Moses was the original monotheist is a thesis that has very little support. As we shall soon see, Moses probably was not even a monotheist, but even if he was, there was monotheism in Egypt a generation before Moses, most likely under the heretic king Akhenaten of the 14th century B.C.E. In his insistence on the worship of Yahweh alone, Moses was a henotheist, i.e., he believed that Yahweh was the greatest among the gods, the king of gods.

The traditional belief that Yahweh revealed himself solely to Moses, and that no people except the Hebrews worshipped Yahweh, is also becoming more tenuous. Several scholars have pointed out evidence of Yahweh worship among several pre-Mosaic eastern cultures.7 For example, the controversial tablets at Ebla, dating back into the 3rd millennium B.C.E., speak of a god by the name of "Ya," who is linked to the Yahweh of Moses by some Ebla scholars.8

Contrary to popular understanding, the First Commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me," does not deny the existence of other deities. In his commentary on Deuteronomy Anthony Phillips maintains that "there is here no thought of monotheism. The commandment does not seek to repudiate the existence of other gods, but to prevent Israel from having anything to do with them."9 The ontological status of other gods besides Yahweh can be explicitly seen in Deut. 32:8, where we find Yahweh setting the boundaries of nations according to the "number of the sons of God." The RSV follows the Septuagint text, which has been reinforced by the copy of Deuteronomy found among the Dead Sea Scrolls in Cave 4 at Qumran. . . .

http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/henotheism.htm

Jeremiah 32:29 -- The Babylonians who are attacking this city will come in and set it on fire; they will burn it down, along with the houses where the people[b] provoked me to anger by burning incense on the roofs to Baal and by pouring out drink offerings to other gods.[/b]

Ezekiel 8:13-14 -- Again, he said, "You will see them doing things that are even more detestable." 14 Then he brought me to the entrance to the north gate of the house of the LORD, and I saw women sitting there, mourning for Tammuz.

Why would Yahweh, the supposed only true God, name other Gods by name and be so upset that his people are praying to them if they didn't exist? Why wouldn't he just prove to his people once and for all that Baal, Tammuz and the other Gods didn't exist at all?

Instead, he includes as part of his written laws that his people will worship no other Gods before him and that he is very jealous. He isn't talking about money or fame, he's talking about Baal, Tammuz, Zeus, etc.

Does he really believe there are other Gods out there?

Of course in reality, it is the authors of the OT that pen this and it is their view that their God may believe in them help them. Yet to many people the bible is divinely inspired. . . . . .

davidylan: Kindly help us with the version from which you derived the above. thanks.

When the Most High apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the gods; the LORD's own portion was his people, Jacob his allotted share.

Deuteronomy 32:8-9 (NRSV)

And this. . . . . .

Israel inherited polytheism from late first-millennium Canaan, and Canaanite religion in turn had its roots in the religion of second-millennium Ugarit. In the 2nd millennium, polytheism was expressed through the concepts of the divine council and the divine family, a single entity with four levels: the chief god and his wife (El and Asherah); the seventy divine children or "stars of El" (including Baal, Astarte, Anat, probably Resheph, as well as the sun-goddess Shapshu and the moon-god Yerak); the head helper of the divine household, Kothar wa-Hasis; and the servants of the divine household, including the messenger-gods who would later appear as the "angels" of the Hebrew bible.

In the earliest stage Yahweh was one of the seventy children of El, each of whom was the patron deity of one of the seventy nations. This is illustrated by the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint texts of Deuteronomy 32:8-9, in which El, as the head of the divine assembly, gives each member of the divine family a nation of his own, "according to the number of the divine sons": Israel is the portion of Yahweh. The later Masoretic text, evidently uncomfortable with the polytheism expressed by the phrase, altered it to "according to the number of the children of Israel"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#History_of_Yahweh-worship_in_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

This very much explains why YHWH is worried about his "chosen people" worshiping other Gods even though he claimed to be the only God.

He was jealous of his bro-Gods and he admits it in the commandments in Exodus 20.

Deuteronomy 32:8-9 reads

When the Most High apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the gods; 9 Yahweh's own portion was his people, Jacob his allotted share.

We know from the Ugaritic (Ras Shamra) tablets that the Canaanite god El fathered 70 gods; this background informs about Deuteronomy 32:8-9.

Then I came across the article Ugarit and the Bible on theology.edu.

There is one Ugaritic text which seems to indicate that among the inhabitants of Ugarit, Yahweh was viewed as another son of El. KTU 1.1 IV 14 says:

sm . bny . yw . ilt

“The name of the son of god, Yahweh.”

This text seems to show that Yahweh was known at Ugarit, though not as the Lord but as one of the many sons of El.

The prophets of the Old Testament rail against Baal, Asherah and various other gods on nearly every page. The reason for this is simple to understand; the people of Israel worshipped these gods along with, and sometimes instead of, Yahweh, the God of Israel. This Biblical denunciation of these Canaanite gods received a fresh face when the Ugaritic texts were discovered, for at Ugarit these were the very gods that were worshipped.

El was the chief god at Ugarit. Yet El is also the name of God used in many of the Psalms for Yahweh; or at least that has been the presupposition among pious Christians. Yet when one reads these Psalms and the Ugaritic texts one sees that the very attributes for which Yahweh is acclaimed are the same for which El is acclaimed. In fact, these Psalms were most likely originally Ugaritic or Canaanite hymns to El which were simply adopted by Israel, much like the American National Anthem was set to a beer hall tune by Francis Scott Key. El is called the “father of men”, “creator”, and “creator of the creation”. These attributes are also granted Yahweh by the Old Testament.

For instances, read KTU 1. 2 I 13-32 and compare it to many of the Psalms. Also, read Ps 82:1, 89:6-8mn!).

In 1 Kings 22:19-22 we read of Yahweh meeting with his heavenly council. This is the very description of heaven which one finds in the Ugaritic texts. For in those texts the “sons of god” are the sons of El.

Other deities worshipped at Ugarit were El Shaddai, El Elyon, and El Berith. All of these names are applied to Yahweh by the writers of the Old Testament. What this means is that the Hebrew theologians adopted the titles of the Canaanite gods and attributed them to Yahweh in an effort to eliminate them. If Yahweh is all of these there is no need for the Canaanite gods to exist! This process is known as assimilation.

Besides the chief god at Ugarit there were also lesser gods, demons, and goddesses. The most important of these lesser gods were Baal (familiar to all readers of the Bible), Asherah (also familiar to readers of the Bible), Yam (the god of the sea) and Mot (the god of death). What is of great interest here is that Yam is the Hebrew word for sea and Mot is the Hebrew word for death! Is this because the Hebrews also adopted these Canaanite ideas as well? Most likely they did.

http://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm

Here is another very interesting piece from

In the Levantine pantheon, the Elohim are the 70 sons of El the Ancient of Days (Olam) assembled on the divine holy place, Mount Zephon (Jebel Aqra). This mountain, which lies in Syria, was regarded as a portal to its heavenly counterpart. The Elohim were originally ruled by El Elyon (God Most High), but He later hands His rule down to the god called Hadad who was known among the common people as "the master" ("Baal". Assembled on the holy mountain of heaven and ruled by one, the pantheon (Elohim) acts as one. The enemy of the Elohim is Yam ("the sea", a chaos monster slain by Baal. Each son was allocated to a specific people (e.g. Yahweh to Israel, Milcom to Moab etc.).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim#Canaanite_religion

It seems the ancient Jews got the idea of their God from previous civilizations, the Canaanites and others, no wonder to preserve and do away with the other Gods, their God it was written told them to kill them all and take all that belongs to them. . . . . .

debrief08: Post Partum Depression is real and most times severe in Nigeria. Ignorance doesn't help as $ost women who show early signs are believed to be "possesed" and taken for "prayers and deliverance". Doctors and social workers need to do more during pre natal classes.
Her case is extreme, I had mild PPD after my second baby, I would cry and cry with no reason, I wouldn't want to feed him, my husband will compress the milk and feed him, Thankfully, I got full counseling at National Hospital and I didn't require medication. Severe cases can cause temporary or permanent insanity, and total depression leading to suicide and sometimes the mother may murder the baby.
It is a hormonal inbalance and not witches from the village. We are sadly so ignorant about so many things, if a lot of the commentors had information about PPD they wouldn't be condemning her to hell and thinking she made a "rational decision" to commit suicide, PPD affects the brain and compromises your thought and decision making process
we use internet to spread gossip but not t
o learn or read. A friend of a friend had PPD and was locked up for months by her husband and pastor in a room, denied access to her mother and mother in law as the pastor fingered them as witches responsible for her condition.Meanwhile the husband and the same pastor caused it because she had a breeched pregnancy and Doctors adviced CS which the husband cinsulted the pastor about and the pastor refused, "prophesying " that she will die if she had CS, so instead of being rational, they gathered "prayer warriors" while the poor woman went through insane labor pains, lost so much blood, and finally had to be operated,Her brothers had to get the police involved, most of them were abroad but after cries from her mother came down and took their sister to receive medical treatment. The "pastor " did a lot of damages, flogging her everyday

I just had to laugh at the highlighted part. . . .

Series22: una just d form oyibo 4 nothing.
She killed her self inside osun river, and 4rm what we know that river is being worshiped by some folks.. People go 2 that river 2 ask 4 children, mayb na d aggrement between her and d deity.. Abeg, make we stop d form like say we no know wetin really Sup.
Abi no b that same river them d use do Osun-Oshogbo festival?

You are completely ignorant. . .There is nothing that is more dangerous as willful ignorance and that is what you are displaying here. . .How can Nigeria ever develop with mindset like yours that is averse to new information and knowledge?. . .pathetic. . .

Maybe he isn't as rich as you claim. . .If he is then am sorry to say he isn't a husband. . .A husbands duty is to provide for his family, protect them and love them . Your husband isn't doing that so he isn't a husband. my 2 cents. . .

Where is OLAADEGBU?

Where is the elusive holy spirit to come and end this endless back and forth?. . .

OLAADEGBU what is wrong with the government providing health care for those that don't have it?. . .Why do you keep lying about Obama?. . .Is mormonism christianity?. . .What about Catholicism?. . .Hope you know that Romney and Ryan are people you will not even classify as christians because one is a mormon and the other a catholic. . .Keep running around chasing your long tail. . .

mkmyers45: Frosbel, Do you shout trinity in your sleep?

LWKMD. . . .

Stop listening to the right wing nut jobs OLAADEGBU. It seems you are one of the many Dinesh D'Souza we have out there. . . .Pathetic

Where the animals na?. . .Abi na the human beings be the animals?. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol.....Mazaje enters the building one more time.

We have had this exact same exchange before, go look up my response, I haven't changed my position.[/quote]LOL! I don't consider that to be a valid reason at all. . .Any way to each his own. . ..

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Good, now listen . . . and I hope you get this.

The only way we know that thought exists is by inference from actions. No one has ever seen, heard or touched a thought. we only infer it by observing actions and activity in the brain.

In the same way, the universe, it's working order and the fact that it has a beginning demonstrate that it has a creator.[/quote]Why a creator? why not many creators?. . .