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me4323753:
is like so many people here do not cook and store in refrigerators

mehhn i do make plenty of different soups and store for frig wey go even ICE like mumu
nah microwave go renew ham

Exactly

DCmaverick:
How long should someone have to wait before having s*x in a new relationship

If it were to be a lady, guys would have been throwing Biblical quotes at her and also criticising her. Guy, stop fornicating and try to remain celibate till marriage.

Okay, if you prefer the society standard wait till six months by then you would have been more familiar with each other.

I agree with this guy. He spoke the fact, we are not complicated o 😂

I don't know why some guys are pained, don't they also have their own standard of evaluating ladies? Guys also need to provide reasons why they should be preferred to other guys. I don't support ladies being liabilities but you can't just be useless to us. Nobody will go to the market to purchase unripe fruit except ripe fruits are unavailable.

A guy doesn't know how to approach a lady, he does not provide emotional support and he now top it up with stinginess, he should better marry his sister.

I would pick 4 or 2.

Emekaphilip360:
see this one relaying on guys money to survive. No wonder yahoo boys use you guys to do suya. I pity you. Don’t learn how to be independent yourself. You will learn the hard way.

Na broke guys dey do rituals pass, dey fit sell human being for one thousand naira airtime. Ask broke guys why they are broke and some will tell you it is because they are not yahoo boys. No work hard and get confirm money, you think say every rich man na yahoo boy.

I am blessed I don't need someone else money to survive but additional money no bad. You don't worry you go still marry mami water.

Dey play, you think na everybody yahoo boy fit use do rituals. As small as frog be e dey pass in front of pot of soup wey dey on fire but the person wey dey cook the soup no fit add am to the soup, e get why.

tundebasic:
The passage you quoted above is about a daughter sold as a slave, and betrothed to the son of the master. Who provides food for a slave?

So, I will like to know. You are trying to say a woman has no financial responsibility in the home?

It's only the man that will do everything? If you believe a woman has financial responsibilities in the home, then what are her responsibilities?

My own argument is that both of them are told to provide, not just the man.

Now, you'll see how a woman should provide here: Proverbs 32:13-16.

She seeks wool and flax,
And willingly works with her hands.
She is like the merchant ships,
She brings her food from afar.
She also rises while it is yet night,
And provides food for her household,
And a portion for her maidservants.
She considers a field and buys it;
From her profits she plants a vineyard.

So, what are you saying about a woman should not work if she likes?

Your man should provide for you fine, you too play your own part, just do something for your husband and family.

Many significant women in the Bible were just homemakers. Does that mean they were not virtuous women?

The Bible is a collection of different stories at different points in time. Every story is unique and has its own pattern. Sarah, Deborah and Esther are all godly women but they didn't share the same patterns. Different consequences needs different approaches.

Every significant men and women in the Bible had their own specific pattern and way of life, they were not a photocopy of one another. Even Solomon had a different pattern and principle from that of his father, David.

Let me site an example, Psalm 58:10 was written by David and Proverb 24:17 was written by the son of David, Solomon but Proverb 24:17 gave a different concept from that of David.

Psalms 58:10
“The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.”
Proverbs 24:17
“Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:.”

God majorly want us to worship Him, love Him, love our neighbours and co-exist peacefully with others, He did not ask us to become a photocopy of someone else. Study your own situation and handle it responsibly. God has given us dominion over all things, most of the rules today were set by man. We don't have to live in fear or live by unnecessary rules that threatens our peace of mind. We are all kings on earth and we are the author of our own happiness.

I can never be a liability. I'm just playing your own game with you and showing you how the Bible can be used to any gender's advantage.

tundebasic:
I really may not have time to be going back and forth on this.

However, this is another translation of the same verse you are quoting:
New Living Translation (1 Tim 5

5:8. But those who won’t care for their relatives, especially those in their own household, have denied the true faith. Such people are worse than unbelievers.

5:16 If a woman who is a believer has relatives who are widows, she must take care of them and not put the responsibility on the church. Then the church can care for the widows who are truly alone.

How would you take care of someone if you are unemployed yourself?

You said widows are even justified if they don't work. Well. Why I will not want to concern myself with that, we are not focusing on widows here.

We are discussing the issue of man and woman, husband and wife.

1 Timothy 5:16
If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.

Try to be logical, in other verses including the verse 16 you quoted genders where specified, it is only in verse 8 that it was not specified. NLT is a new translation Bible, the older translations used the term "he and his" to specify in verse 8. Anyway, I won't agrue with you on this.

Personally, I don't advise women to become liabilities but it is very well known that Biblically men are expected to provide for their family.

In Exodus 21:10 Moses urged men not to stop providing for their first wives even after they marry another wife, which means men usually provide for their wives. Though in the same verse, Moses permitted marrying more than one wife because of the hardness of people's heart but Jesus explained the law better when He came to the world.

Exodus 21:10
If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

tundebasic:
Whether you are keeping it to honour God, or your husband it doesn't matter. What matters is obedience to God's word, simple.

Moreover, if you have the opinion that one can do whatever they like with their body (since God will forgive them and they don't want to keep it for a mere husband), then, why were you asking me about the guy you mentioned earlier? Is this not the same thing he was reiterating?

The guy I mentioned earlier was just criticising ladies.

Sure, what matters is obedience to God's word but God is able to forgive all sins and we are not even permitted to judge anyone. What is my business with how someone lived his/her life in the past? Are my the judge of the world?

tundebasic:
I am not the one. Maybe it was someone else. No, you should not play that game. I've come to realise that the corruption of this world will make people who don't do it seem to miss out at the end of the day.

Imagine keeping yourself as a man or woman and you couldn't find a member of the opposite sex, who even claimed to be christian like you being chaste/pure?

Men and women keeping themselves till marriage is both scriptural and cultural.

You can keep your virginity to honour God's law concerning sexual purity, you are not meant to keep your virginity for your wife at the first instance. Imagine my guy telling me he kept his virginity for me, what do I want to use his virginity for, all I want is for my guy to be faithful to me.

tundebasic:
I am not the one. Maybe it was someone else. No, you should not play that game. I've come to realise that the corruption of this world will make people who don't do it seem to miss out at the end of the day.

Imagine keeping yourself as a man or woman and you couldn't find a member of the opposite sex, who even claimed to be christian like you being chaste/pure?

Men and women keeping themselves till marriage is both scriptural and cultural.

But you replied me when I quoted the person that made the statement that means you are in support of what he said. You should have also quoted him if you are not bias.

If we are to go by the Bible it's not wrong for a woman to refuse to work, even widows are expected to be supported financially and in 1 Timothy 5, the term she was mentioned in some verses before verse 8 where he was mentioned, does this not imply that the message was directed to men?

1 Timothy 5
5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

tundebasic:
Where in my comment did you see any mention of sexual purity before wedding as a requisite for women only?

I was more concerned about you saying men are to work to provide for women. As if that's the purpose of creation of a man.

The passage you quoted says:
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

That text specifically did not say a man. I know you get why he was used in that context.

There are many wealthy women in the bible. The same bible that many women are using as an excuse to be lazy.

I also hope you know that the role of provision given to a woman is almost equal or even much more than of a man (If you need it, I'll post it here)?

Well, I support a man providing for his household, but when you say a man should "spoil" his wife, are the women also spoiling their husbands in return? Men are not robots too, they like to be "spoiled".

Most of you just enjoy twisting the Bible to your advantage.

Let me refresh your memories. In your first comment you wrote this "There’s a reason why your kpekus is sealed by God. It’s only for your husband."

Two can play the game.

tundebasic:
Can you show anywhere where God said broke men should not find love? Even the first wedding that Jesus attended, the wine finished. Wine dey finish for rich man wedding?

More so, where is it ever written that a man should till the ground to provide solely for his wife?

1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

It is God's design for man and woman to become one, and He provided reproductive organs that are intended for joint participation and not individual functioning. The reproductive organs in both male and female are needed by both genders and meant for the use of both genders, it seems God shared organs between both genders so that they can collaborate rather than giving each genders organs that will enable them to function individually. Hymen was simply assigned to women while God was doing the sharing. Its presence does not imply that the law concerning sexual purity applies exclusively to women. Its presence conveys a message of sexual purity to both genders, just as the reproductive organs in both genders functions collaboratively.

The law of sexual purity unquestionably applies to both men and women. If you believe that God excluded men from the law of sexual purity and permitted them to fornicate, who are they supposed to fornicate with?

Can you even specify a verse in the Bible where God declared that virginity is exclusively for women or permitted men to engage in fornication?

Why are you even crying? I thought you were playing a game of assumptions. Hope you know that two can play the game?

Emekaphilip360:
There’s a reason why your kpekus is sealed by God. It’s only for your husband. You can’t have many body counts and you expect an innocent man to pay for your bride price. Your past matters as a woman!

Broke guys don't deserve a partner.
There is a reason why God told men to till the ground and provide for their wives. Your wife deserves to be treated like a queen. You can't be broke and expect an innocent woman to marry you. Your financial status matters as a man!

tochez24:
Tactics of a poor man♂️

Oga if you won Bleep a girl, when she visits you.... just make a move if she resists you, call another girl in her presence and if she starts coming!!!

Tell the bitch another girl is on her way that she should be going... if she realizes what she has lost that day i bet you next time she will behave herself.

Women make rules for poor and SIMple guys⚠️

Thank God wealth is not limited to men. Even a responsible broke woman will not tolerate the nonsense you are proposing.

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ecolime:
Have you seen this actress in person? No let pictures and camera filters deceive you.

You know how many shots Stephanie took to get these picture-perfect ones?

Let your partner breathe abeg

I had the privilege to see her physically more than once, and I was struck by her beauty, intelligence, and politeness. Seeing her at an event, I took advantage of the opportunity to take pictures with her. My photographer was taking too much time to set up his equipment, but to my surprise, she was very patient and understanding. Her body language did not show any signs of frustration or impatience. I have met a mere grassroot celebrity who is very cocky and arrogant, but despite Stephenie's fame and success, she is very humble.

To be honest, she is even more beautiful in real life. I remember discussing her appearance with my friends the first time I saw her, but she is not just one of those actresses who rely solely on their beauty or make a big deal of it. She has a great reputation for her work and is respected both in Nigeria and abroad. Just take a closer look at her filmography, and you will appreciate her even more. There are so many movie producers in Nigeria, but how many of them have produced meaningful movies that have been recognized internationally or had a significant impact on the Nigerian movie industry?

Happy Birthday!

You are a true marvel. Your work ethic, production creativity, and ability to adapt to different roles is truly inspiring.

I am a big fan of your work. Over the years, I have watched your productions and found them quite remarkable.

Thank you for being a positive role model.

I wish you all the best on your special day. May you have many more happy, healthy, and successful years ahead.

Stephanie Okereke Linus turns 41 today and still looks young and elegant.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Okereke_Linus

VictorUSA1:
That's because he just realized ladies are all useless regardless of their origin.

That's because he realized he is useless, all guys are useless regardless of their origin.

maasoap:
Loneliness awaits you at the end of your up and down. Go and ask the elders who took the issue of companionship for granted.
Imagine yourself at 50 years old living in a flat and always welcomed by empty rooms! Your depression is still doing press-up.

I asked the elders who rushed into marriage without proper planning about their experiences. Some said they were lucky enough (they emphasized the word "lucky) to marry a responsible man, but others had bitter tales to tell. Some said they are just enduring a toxic marriage, some said they are living a frustrated life, some are divorced and some didn't even live to tell the tales.

Everything in life is a risk, but it is better to take calculated risks. There are other ways to have kids o.

placeofallure:
No, that's not you thinking outside the box. It's you mixing things up.

This is it. When you talk about some pronouns being subjective or objective in nature, this division has to do only with personal pronouns.

When you use 'her' within the context - Her book is on the table, then you have used 'her' as a possessive pronoun. It's no longer functioning as a personal pronoun.
We have other types of pronouns apart from Personal and Possessive pronouns like: Reflexive, Relative, Demonstrative, Reciprocal, Indefinite, Interrogative and more. A word (pronoun) may belong to several groups of pronouns depending on its function in the sentence.
E.g. The pen which you gave me has been broken - Relative
Which of these pens is yours? Interrogative

In grammar, you don't consider words in isolation, you may end up commiting blunders. Check out the contextual meaning of the words before you draw your inferences.
Thank you.

You are misunderstanding my point. The fact that some objective pronouns can function as other pronouns is what I am driving at and I already explained that some objective pronouns can function as other pronouns in my previous comment.

Don't look at it from our own perspective because in Nigeria, English is our official language and it is widely spoken. Many people are already accustomed to speaking English, and some don't even know the rules of English but can speak it properly.

Look at it from a non-English speaker's perspective. You cannot simply tell a non-English speaker that objective pronouns fall under personal pronouns and cannot be used to begin a sentence without further explaining that some objective pronouns can also fall under other groups of pronouns and be used to start a sentence.

Merry100:
It is not impossible to use objective pronouns to begin a sentence in certain contexts; however, it is generally better to avoid using objective pronouns, especially those that do not also belong to subjective pronouns. They are neither necessary nor easy to use, so we can just construct them for fun activities such as this one.

Objective pronouns are:
It (also a subjective pronoun)
Me
Us
You (also a subjective pronoun)
Her (also a possessive pronoun)
Him
Them
Whom (also an interrogative pronoun)

How can "them" be considered impossible to use to begin a sentence simply because it is an objective pronoun? That is not a logical explanation. "Whom," "her," and "him" are also objective pronouns, yet they can be used to begin a sentence in certain formal contexts.

Examples:
* Whom did you give my money to?
* Her house is on fire.
* Her books were later found inside the house.
* Him in their house, just acting like a chef to deceive them, is not fair.

In conclusion
There are several types of pronouns, and some objective pronouns also fall within another group of pronouns. That might be why it is possible to use them to start a sentence.

You have more time to focus on your personal growth and plan for your future.
You have more money because you have fewer expenses.
You have more freedom to make your own decisions without having to consider anyone else.
You have less stress and more time to socialize and enjoy yourself because you don't have to worry about a partner or children.

placeofallure:
Grammatically, by structure, you can't start a sentence with the word 'them'
There are two sets of the personal pronouns - The subject pronouns and the object pronouns.
The subject pronouns indicate who or what the sentence is talking about. Also, it shows who acts in the sentence. They are: I, he,she, you, we, they and it. Any of these pronouns can start a sentence.
E.g. Jeff and Sally played basketball after school. (They)
My mum and I enjoyed gardening. (We)
The mountainside is covered in blue flowers. (It)

The object pronouns receive the action done by the subject and they're found in the predicate.
E.g. Failing the test was the worst thing that could happen to Janet. (Her)
A huge rock rolled down the hill and nearly hit John and me. (Us)
This instruction manual belongs with the TV set. (It)

Going by the aforementioned dear OP, to begin a sentence with 'them' is ungrammatical.

This is the basic explanation that teachers possibly give to students, but let's think outside the box.

"Her" is an objective pronoun, but we can easily start a sentence with it.

For example:
Her book is on the table.

Gafferde:
Which would you prefer?

I pay your bride price, have an indoor traditional celebration between your family and mine, and then proceed to court marriage.

No Asoebi. No white wedding. No feeding of a community of strangers. Not any of those frivolities.

And then the next day we are on our way to any place on earth of your choice for our honeymoon and when we get back there’s a car gift waiting for you and a check of millions for the expansion of your business and another check for any of your parents or siblings who may be looking for money to establish their business.

Or —

We burn over 20 million Naira on glamorous traditional and white wedding celebrations and ensure it’s the talk of the town. You will have your dozens of bridesmaids and I have my dozens of groomsmen.

You will have your bridal shower and our suya night at a 5 Star Hotel and at our parties, we will let our parents invite different dance groups that we will fund and let them use us to pepper their perceived rivals and all of that….

After the few hours that all this waste will last, we will go home and spend the night thinking about the millions we wasted and wake up the next morning with long faces and none of the long-lasting benefits that come with the first option.

You continue to jump from one office to another searching for a job and using Okada, Taxi, or Keke whenever the man is not available to take you to where you are going.

Please, choose one! This too is the option I will give to anyone I would consider getting married to and only one answer there will work for me. 🤔

None of the above.

It is not impossible to use objective pronouns to begin a sentence in certain contexts; however, it is generally better to avoid using objective pronouns, especially those that do not also belong to subjective pronouns. They are neither necessary nor easy to use, so we can just construct them for fun activities such as this one.

Objective pronouns are:
It (also a subjective pronoun)
Me
Us
You (also a subjective pronoun)
Her (also a possessive pronoun)
Him
Them
Whom (also an interrogative pronoun)

How can "them" be considered impossible to use to begin a sentence simply because it is an objective pronoun? That is not a logical explanation. "Whom," "her," and "him" are also objective pronouns, yet they can be used to begin a sentence in certain formal contexts.

Examples:
* Whom did you give my money to?
* Her house is on fire.
* Her books were later found inside the house.
* Him in their house, just acting like a chef to deceive them, is not fair.

In conclusion
There are several types of pronouns, and some objective pronouns also fall within another group of pronouns. That might be why it is possible to use them to start a sentence.

Happy birthday! I hope you have a lovely day filled with smiles and joy. As a woman with intelligence and empathy, you are an inspiration to us all. You have shown the world that it is possible to be both strong and kind. I wish you all the best in the years ahead.

Allthelight:
why will i say that ?
Expect i say something like

Them is not used to start a sentence.

In the above them becomes a noun not a pronoun

Or them is the only word in that sentence like

Them ! or them ? why them ?

"Them" is a pronoun. It is used to refer to a group of people or things. In my sentences, "them" is the subject of the verb phrase, indicating who or what is performing the action. The rest of the sentence provides additional information about this group of people. Therefore, "them" is used correctly as a pronoun in my sentences.

I understand that there is a possibility that I am wrong, because sometimes English doesn't even follow its own rules. But either there is a more logical explanation, or it is specifically stated that "them" cannot be used at the beginning of a sentence.

Allthelight:
There is no possible way i have read your examples.

In this case expect "them" is not a pronoun but a noun instead since nouns can be any word. Example an abbreviation

What do you mean by in this case "them" is not a pronoun? Do you mean that a pronoun cannot begin a sentence?

Most of us only know the basics of English. I am not an English teacher, but the sentences I provided seem correct to me. There is more than one English rule pointing to the fact that it is possible to use "them" to start a sentence. I wish a very knowledgeable English professor could shed more light on this, like a professor from Harvard, Oxford, or Cambridge, not our usual English teachers that only know to an extent.

etrange:
I only said that the examples given by the guy were all wrong. And then I added "@OP, while such contructs might not be uncommon in old English, I believe they're only found in poetry today. Also, it's "good at English" in this context, not 'good in English'" So you can give the OP your own examples to showcase the exceptions.

I am not an English teacher o, but I just felt it can work and I have already given it a try.