₦airaland Forum

aribisala0:
Please be clear to me what she transgressed ?I do not see any transgression beyond Your mama or Your papa insults not even to that degree.
Tell us whether you believe non Muslims should be subject to Sharia law that is all we need to know

I have not heard you adequately condemn the murderers but you are sitting in judgment on a dead girl
Very heartless and callous mindset

Who is "us"? You are expressing similar mob mentality we saw in sokoto when you suddenly switched from me to "us" in your comment. Us as in christians...? Please clarify your "us".

Return to my first or second post and reeducate your mind. I dont know if she said those things or not but I continue to say if indeed it is authentic then she has transgressed. The transgression is simple and linear taking from your own interpretation of @%#* as a rude exchange. Add that to Muhammed in a land known for religious isms and intolerance. What do you expect the outcome to be?

After that I also said the attackers should be prosecuted.

My position is straight forward and matured. You want me to say she was correct in being rude to Muhammed, which I can never do.

If you are rude to ordinary users in social media what do they do? They punish you. Here in Nairaland, how do mods treat rule violation? With restriction....sometimes a year or longer.

The rule in shariah community has thresholds, respect their thresholds. Nonetheless, crossing a threshold does not justify death. The killers must be dealt with. Simple!

I dont patronize emotional blackmails, if you e pect me to take side with shariah or chriatianity, you will not get that from me. I do not relate in basic instincts.

aribisala0:
And when Muslims are upset they can stone and roast? because for me this is an issue of proportionality
What you are saying is she got what she deserved right?

You read too deep into it.

Again, assuming what is attributed to her is correct, She clearly transgressed. This I know.

The proper way to address this is through the authorities, sharia or non-sharia. There, proprtionality will be weighed.

You are reading my comments wrong, honorable.

aribisala0:
Rudeness is how I understand it

Just to be clear when you say "guilt" you need to be clear what YOU mean because I understood that in the ordinary meaning of the word

What I am getting at here is simple . There are words in all belief systems that blaspheme some other belief system and so the issue of guilt of blasphemy has added weight in Nigeria

I need to understand whether you think Non Muslims should be tried under Sharia law or whether how non-Muslims can be "guilty" of blaspheming Islam and that is why I bring the Ogun issue.

My view is that we cannot have blasphemy laws in a country like Nigeria as we are not religiously homogenous

Dial back into my first or second post in this thread, i believe it is self explanatory. You are thinking too deep into it. Stay on surface, we are not having a legal exercise here.

aribisala0:
Well I don't know you

How can a non Muslim be guilty of Blasphemy?

...and you dont need to know. You just need to be reasonable to know not every human action is coded into law. Some exchanges are fouled just on the reference of moral or social protocols alone.

aribisala0:
I did not put words in your mouth

You Said in the conditional tense that she is guilty of blasphemy, you talked of Constitution and Sharia law

Under what law would she be guilty of blasphemy if she is not a Muslim

Her guilt is not prescribed by law but by context of what she stated. Social media recognizes @%#* combination as an expletive.

If i say aribisala, @%#* you, how do you interprete it?

aribisala0:
Since you have already said what constitutes guilt of Blasphemy in Islam I presume then that you are a Muslim is that right?


We are talking about rules that will form principles for a legal system for ALL NIGERIANS not what you worship.
We have Ogun worshippers , Christians and Muslims . etc in Nigeria.

The point is if the core beliefs of one religion constitute blasphemy in another how do we square that circle.
You mentioned Sharia community in the constitution when called out evasiveness
Again if Ogun is blasphemed you said they should defend.

Question How? Can they behead Muslims and Christians for calling Ogun an Idol Evasiveness
I can see you are determined to be evasive so I will close.

Everyone in Nairaland that know me know I am muslim, a common sense muslim, not a dumb one.

What we witnessed in Sokoto is dumb, there are Christians that also display such senselessness and will kill if the opportunity is presented.

Dont make this a muslim/christian issue.

Like I said earlier, grab a sense.

aribisala0:
There is "sharia community" in the constitution
I am thoroughly familiar with the constitution
I have it on my desk top and read it everyday

My copy does not mention Sharia community? So please tell us what is a Sharia community as defined in your copy of the constitution
Does Sharia law apply to non Muslims? A simple yes or no will do
More evasiveness

Which section in our constitution codifies blasphemy? How is blasphemy defined in our law and what is the punishment

Honorable, I sincerely do not enjoy talking with people feigning ignorance.

A community is a community, sharia or not. A sharia community is one that practices sharia. It is dumb to look in constitution for "sharia community" in as much constitution acknowledges shariah in its statutes.

When you go to Isale Eko, it is Eyo community. It will be dumb to disrespect Adimu Orisa in Isale Eko. The constitution acknowledges customary laws, which Eyo is part of. Will you find Eyo community in constitution? No.

Grab a sense abeg.

aribisala0:
My question once again is :

Is it blasphemous to call Ogun an idol.

How do you suggest Ogun worshippers defend Ogun is it okay to behead blasphemers?

Ogun worshippers would need to itemize what would constitute blasphemy under their belief. I do not worship Ogun.

Of course, because he does not yet have immunity under governorship.

If he resigns he will be exposed to lawsuits. It is for similar reason that Buhari placed his outgoing chiefs of staff under diplomatic immunity, to shield them from lawsuits on their atrocities.

aribisala0:
What is Sharia community? Is there such a thing in Nigerian constitution

You say she is "guilty" of a blasphemous Act . Can you tell us which law in Nigeria codifies blasphemy and the prescribed punishment?

Is it blasphemous to call Ogun an idol and Ogun worshippers as idolaters or Kaffir?

Ogun worshippers should defend Ogun everytime he is blasphemed. Unlike the sharia North ignorants killing for reiligion, you dont have to kill anyone to defend Ogun but you can defend him in other ways.

aribisala0:
What is Sharia community? Is there such a thing in Nigerian constitution

You say she is "guilty" of a blasphemous Act . Can you tell us which law in Nigeria codifies blasphemy and the prescribed punishment?

Is it blasphemous to call Ogun an idol and Ogun worshippers as idolaters or Kaffir?

Yes, there is Sharia in Constitution. You must not be familiar with the Constitution.

Read the interpretation again. On internet/social media, which is not guided by any law, there is a common language for communicating...or a protocol of usage, any word followed by @#*% and so on is considered masked expletive, whether intended or not.

BloomingDale:
I hate the South. They are a bunch of weak sissies.

I feel you. The South is a turn off. Don't hate but continue to agitate against any move by Southern leaders to continue in one Nigeria.

ljoh:
You be IPOB

Im not IPOB. IPOB is not the only group calling for secession.

Saifullah01:
I am not here to discuss the incident of her death, but rather the comment that triggered it.
So if you are unable to deconstruct and analyse issues without sentiments, this is not for you.

Below is a translation of what she said verbatim. I have removedthe expletives she used:

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Like I said the essence is to analyse what she said. One wonders, was she deliberately trying to start a religious crisis thinking it wouldn't go beyond the usual social media banter against Muslims?

I ask this because for some one trying to stop religious posts in a chat group do you start by saying "Holy ghost fire"? This is self contradiction.
Secondly, after making your point on not posting religious materials in the chat, why on earth did she had to insult the prophet (peace be upon him)

It is a fact that Muslims revere the Prophets of Allah more than anything in this world, and the prophet of Islam occupies a special place in their heart.

It is also a fact that although ignorant people have over time and in different places used bad words against the prophet (PBUH), no Muslim worth the name dear mention great prophets like Moses, Ezekiel etc without saying "peace be upon them or "Alaihim Salaam" or AS, not to think of using bad speech against them

So it is important to state that I condemn the act of taking laws into one's hand, but also condemn any form of instigation and inciting speech against anyone, Muslims and non Muslims alike

The translation given, if true, will make Deborah guilty of a blasphemous act. It is very insensitive of her residing in a sharia community and disrespecting the culture of the community. That is unacceptable!

It is also unacceptable under Nigerian Constitution, the highest law in the land, for anyone to prosecute offence on the acts of any other subordinate law, for instance Shariah.

The killers of Deborah are known, they must be prosecuted under Nigerian Constitution.

Saifullah01:
I am not here to discuss the incident of her death, but rather the comment that triggered it.
So if you are unable to deconstruct and analyse issues without sentiments, this is not for you.

Below is a translation of what she said verbatim. I have removedthe expletives she used:

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Like I said the essence is to analyse what she said. One wonders, was she deliberately trying to start a religious crisis thinking it wouldn't go beyond the usual social media banter against Muslims?

I ask this because for some one trying to stop religious posts in a chat group do you start by saying "Holy ghost fire"? This is self contradiction.
Secondly, after making your point on not posting religious materials in the chat, why on earth did she had to insult the prophet (peace be upon him)

It is a fact that Muslims revere the Prophets of Allah more than anything in this world, and the prophet of Islam occupies a special place in their heart.

It is also a fact that although ignorant people have over time and in different places used bad words against the prophet (PBUH), no Muslim worth the name dear mention great prophets like Moses, Ezekiel etc without saying "peace be upon them or "Alaihim Salaam" or AS, not to think of using bad speech against them

So it is important to state that I condemn the act of taking laws into one's hand, but also condemn any form of instigation and inciting speech against anyone, Muslims and non Muslims alike

If you have the exact post from Deborah, put it here in the native language its written, in addition to the english translation.

Merci boucoup

This is why we say secession must come ahead of election.

Benbellamor:
I disagree...they're majority in Oyo state yet its peaceful they eat your chrismass food we share salah meat

They are peaceful in Oyo state, really?
They are peaceful and yet we have record of their mob uprising in every state in SW. You call Shasha peaceful? Ile Ife, peaceful? Sagamu, peaceful? Ketu, peaceful? Mile 12, peaceful? Ikorodu, peaceful?

Honorable, abeg go buy APC form and visit Buhari for endorsement. Let us enjoy our peace here in Nairaland.

film3four:

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Benbellamor:
Where the whole Town is filled with Blind people, a One eyed man becomes the king... That's a fitting narrative for the Northern extremists burning people Alive because of lack of comprehension.... You hardly see a case of alleged Blasphemy in the south among the Muslims because they are educated and will actually verify what was said and also the state of the mind of such person,
But there in the core north...its not the same...You can be set up without anybody hearing your part of the story... And violence hungry mob are handy to do what they knows best...
Let's give it to the southern Muslims who show their intelligence over the Northern counterparts... In All I think we need a leader who can invest in Northern education to reduce insecurity and all these barbaric incidents.
I am a Christian from Ondo state, except kwara state ILorin to be precise because of some Fulani Dominance, you hardly see religious violence in the South

Northerners are patriotic to Islam, not to God.
Everyday and everywhere in their sorrounding there is an abuse and disobedience of God. They dont respond with violence, but moment you say a dark word or counter Islam, all hell will be let loose.

These two people are a good model for coupling. They match and project a strong beatiful connection.

May her soul rest in peace.

What is Tinubu role in APC at moment, beside presidential aspiration?

Being a partner in merger 8yrs ago, what is his leadership function now in the ruling party?

Iamdbull:
With the way alot of our politicians are risking alot and putting alot at stake to run even when they know they have very little chance, is there something else in it for them because I don't understand what's giving them the morale

Yes, there is. Title.

You can no longer address him in the ordinary, you must append this accomplishment to the name.

Now we introduce former Presidential candidate under APC, High Chief Iamdbull, welcome your Excellency.

lexy2014:
Under normal circumstances, it's the job of the police and DSS to effect the rescue of the victims not the army

There is a security budget added to military allocation specifically to combat banditry & terrorism. Police job is to enforce law and keep society safe. Acts of terrorism is beyond police. Derailing train is terrorism.

Siwel25:
I do not owe you anything. Just search nairaland itself and you will find it there. You people need to make research before coming online to embarrass yourselves. I won't spoonfeed you!

I know there is no meeting between the two after Adamu was installed by consensus. You searched internet and agreed with me there was no meet. if there was a meet you'd post pictures or article supporting it.

wallrichy:
Lol, don't you know that a larger percentage of Nigeria Army are Terrorists, Terrorists sympathizers and the remaining are just some innocent guinea pigs from the Middle belt and Southern Nigeria. Most of the Northern soldier boys are Boko Haran in uniform and some are just sympathizers to Terrorists.....that's why Nigeria can't ever win the war against Iswap or Boko Haran or Bandits.....they are all in the same family, camp etc.....

You are correct. All the repentant terrorists and bandits are in Nigerian Army uniform.

Ttalk:
Who and who play the Ibadan politics? What is their agenda? Oyo state has been the weakest political unit from SW that can easily penetrate since 1999.

When I say Yoruba politics in Ibadan and you ask for names, it revealed you are not familiar with this topic.

Yoruba abhor monopoly of power. The seat of a political power must have a vibrant and living diversity. When it comes to politics in Yorubaland Ibadan remains most diverse in partisanship. Lagos is seat of economy, not political power. Diversity is not tolerated in Lagos politics.

Siwel25:
Ignorant clown. Tinubu was the first person Adamu visited after the Convention. Be educated!

Honorable, abeg show picture of the meet.

Ttalk:
There is nothing like Ibadan politics in 2022. What I see is Lagos Politics and Kano politics.

Most of governors and legislators in SW receive one form of political education from Lagos state just like most north West receive from Kano.

It used to be Kaduna during the military era and Ibadan during Western region but not any longer

Ibadan politics is a conglomerate. Kaduna politics was a conglomerate. Kano politics is a conglomerate. Lagos politics is a monopoly.

Sanwoolu don turn himsef to boyboy. Na courier delivery he dey do now for Tinubu. The guy no get shame.

Under normal circumstance Nigerian Army should rescue these people but Army itself is intimidated by bandits. Their HQ juat got bombed, after 6 of them killed and the rwinforcement ambushed but narrowly escaped.

Whats the use of budgetting money for a useless Army that fear confrontation with bandits?

Ttalk:
I see some deep wisdom in your words but saying Tinubu didn't stand for Yoruba is not correct when you look at his position as leader of APC the ruling party.

If there is anyone among the contestants from the SW that would at least restructure that person is Tinubu. Tinubu has the exposure to cage national assembly unlike Osinbajo who the north could cage with National Assembly.

Tinubu or Osinbajo is the right candidate for now and any true Yoruba son must queue behind any of them

There are three politics in Yorubaland.

1. The politics of Yoruba Commonwealth
2. The politics of Ibadan
3. The politics of Nigeria.

Tinubu is absent in 1 and 2.

LegendHero:
Well let’s just wait and see how it goes. I’ll come back to talk more after the primaries.

As they are planning, we are planning too. May the best strategist emerge.

Amen, Oga mi. God bless you!