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Kobojunkie:
You failed to explain why exactly you believe it is difficult in a family circle for both males and females to receive equal treatment.

Also, you mention the existence of a boundary as far as what you refer to as "equality game", but you never in fact give an example to help us see what it is you mean.

Honestly, from the story you have told us here, I fail to see reason why you believe a male and female child cannot recieve equal treatment.

You really think the God of creation who has made a man and woman to be different from each other, is stu.pid

siofra:
And this is the same person that will be looking for visa to go abroad where there's equality

I would be more concerned with what brought me there than what is happening there.

I am discussing it here with fellow Nigerians because I belong here and I am here in Nigeria.

Kobojunkie:
1. Why exactly are you against women waking up to the potential that has always been theirs from creation? What exactly is your reason against this?

2. You say women should know their place, place assigned them by whom?

1. Which potential has always been theirs from creation?

2. Their place assigned by nature.

Kanbe:
Share my thoughts on what exactly?

Another women bashing thread loading

Why will there not be women bashing since you women of the modern age are now forming woke and want to be seen and regarded like men out of either jealousy or na Devil don return to use una again (just like the Garden of Eden story).

Women should know their place and take it. Men too. But women's own is becoming unbecoming.

oluwaseunamos33:
oga na big lie. Abuja is just like a village in kogi when compared with this

You are a very wicked human-being.
Why did you drag my Kogi into it?
I know say we nor try. But you no for cast my state like dat

Kokaine:
The misunderstood verse is Qur'an 4:74

The verse following it and many other verses in the Qur'an clarifies it

Fighting in the cause of Allah.

The verse following it immediately tells what fighting in the cause of Allah means. It is clear from the verse 175 that it is not a fight of attack. Rather it is a fight of defense where people are oppressed and weak and killed on account of their religion, property, race or whatever reason that is unjust. You must stand up as a Muslim and fight back. You should not be afraid of been killed. Because if you are killed, you are granted paradise

Your points and explanations are very valid. I totally understand all the angles you highlighted. Many parts of the Bible have been turned upside by Christian sects and denominations too. It's just that the one turned upside down in Islam relates to fighting and achieving victory in a fight (which directly means killing). I understand the main meaning of those parts in the Quran from your explanations.

People turn things upside down in every religion. The Cele worshippers go around barefooted because it happened in the Bible between Moses and God in a location. Moses was asked by God to off his shoes there because God's presence there makes the place holy. But the Cele worshipper may tell you that God is everywhere on earth here too making everywhere holy for them to go around barefooted too. And besides, it is God's earth. Other Christians frown at Catholics bowing down to images because it is condemned in God's 10 commandments.

Also, the church and pastors are involved in a lot of wrong things. But in all these, there are good people following the doctrines of Christianity and Islam as God wants it. There are good Pastors and Imams teaching and following the correct ways of God. We should not condemn or find fault in each other's religion. That will lead to intolerance. Every man will face judgment with God per head.

Kokaine:
Okay.
Jihad is from the root word called jahad.
Jahad means striving.
Any one who strives hard against something that is difficult is said to be doing an act of jihad.

The greatest jihad is called jihad al nafs. That means striving against ones own soul.

When you are alone in the company of a beautiful woman who is naked. That striving you do internally to overcome the inclinations of your innerself is jihad.

When a man is sick, the striving he does to get better is called jihad

When you are not rich and give others in alms. That striving against your inner desires to withhold wealth despite the fear of poverty is jihad

When you see anyone robbing and raping a lady, if you strive to save her despite the fear of being killed is jihad

When you are attacked in your home by robbers, if you strive hard to repel them, its jihad.

The message is to encourage people not to relent in anything they are doing or passing through in life. The consolation is that whoever dies while striving will be granted paradise easily.

Most Christians are only familiar with the jihad againstban enemy that attacks the Muslims and they are encouraged to strive or struggle against them. They are not aware that jihad and the promise of paradise is for all aspects or types of jihad.

Anyone who dies by drowning is said to have died from jihad. He dies struggling to save himself. He is a martyr

Anyone who does from a stomach pain died striving.

Anything you do to survive or help others survive, is jihad. Its an automatic paradise. InshaAllah


Kafir is from the word kufr

Kufr means ungrateful, disobedient and disbelief

A Muslim who doesn't pray is said to have disbelieved.

Anyone who knows the truth about the the prophethood of Rosullulah (saw) and deliberately denies it because he is afraid he will loose a worldly benefit is a disbeliever

Islam admonished the disbelievers in the Quran in the verse I showed you earlier. It is very clear.

Oh you who disbelieve
I do not worship what you what you worship
And you do not worship what I worship
I shall not worship what you worship an you shall not worship what I worship
To you is your religion and to me is mine.

Its very clear.


The second picture I uploaded. Says
It is only as regards those who drove you pit of your home and helped to drive you out of your home that Allah forbids you to be friends with.

A Muslim who has a disbeliever as a neighbour, should treat him with kindness and fairness. You must defend his rights just as you defend the rights of fellow Muslims. It is only as regards those who are fighting you because of your religion that you are commanded to fight back to defend yourself from them. And if they stop, you are not permitted to continue


A very well known hadith is from the rosullulah saw.
He said help the oppressed whether he is a Muslim or not

I based my last comment on what I think we have seen before alleging that a part in the Quran says "kill Kafirs." And Christians fit into that description of ungrateful, disobedient and disbelievers more than a Muslim who does not observe prayers. THAT IS FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO TWIST IT FOR HIS OWN AGENDA.

From your explanation, the agenda of the bad eggs among Muslims must definitely be for them to strive to do something difficult but good (Jihad), which to them, their own can be to strive and force Sharia or religion on people. And considering the reward for Jihad, the striving becomes Extreme. That is despite part of the Quran says: Your religion is your own religion and my own religion is mine. Moreover, converting people is considered precious in all religions.

What is the place and role of Sharia in Islam?

When we keep saying Woman is at the center of infidelity, they will say we hate women. She has authority over her body to say Yes or No to a man's request.

How you gon' name yourself after a damn gun.
- Eminem

Kokaine:
I am not quite a historian unfortunately. I'm an Engineer.
But from the name usman Dan fodio.

The word "Dan" is a Hausa term for "child of"

So if you see Dan fodio, dangote, it means children of fodio, children of gote.

The Arabic equivalent of Dan is the term "ibn"
Ibn means child of.

So this difference in languages alone should speak a lot about where and what happened.

The Quraish, Rosullulah (saw) and revelation of the Quran happened in Arabia 1400 years ago.

Usman Dan fodio is a Fulani Nigerian. He had no part in the revelation of the Quran, neither did he exist when the injunctions and events that explained jihad occurred. I have never read history books about Nigeria so I'm not even in the know about his relevance when interpreting Qur'an and hadith. He was just another Muslim who took decisions and will be responsible for any decision he took good or bad.


Islam stands for justice. The Rosullulah (saw) said in a well known hadith "He is not one of us (Muslims) he who is unkind to his neighbours." Whether the neighbors are Muslims or not, we are to care for them and do not let them starve of hunger while we eat.

There are so many hadith and verses of the Quran that explain Islam. It becomes unnecessary what the king of Saudi Arabia is doing today, to use as a criteria for judging what Islam demands of him. He will be accountable for his actions. So if he led by the right Islamic rulings, Allah alone can reward him. But if he mixed what he knew to be Islamic with what his personal inclinations dictated of him, he will be accountable before Allah.

Khassogi was killed by Saudi Arabians. Do we say because the Quran was revealed in their place, then it means everything they are doing is Islamic? No! They could be doing things that are unislamic. But people will refer to their actions as explanations for Islam and not for their decisions.


So whatever usman Dan fodio did or said will be judged by Allah. We still have the references - the Quran and hadith. They are not missing. It is clear that Muslims are not permitted to take any soul outside what has been prescribed by the shariaah laws. Not even cutting down a tree irrelevantly, nor pouring hot water on the floor capable of burning the living things of the soil. Life is that sacred in Islam.

So if anyone in a position to take decisions, decide to kill people unjustly and call it jihad, it doesn't make them free from Allah's grasp just because they called it jihad. Allah knows what He instructed concerning jihad. Acting out of it, is on the persons account.

If boko haram decide to catch a pregnant non Muslim and kill her, they will answer Allah on the day of Standing. They will not deceive Allah who knows what He had instructed concerning jihad.

We see the ridiculous atrocities done by the Taliban in Afghanistan. Where do they find references for those extremity? They are accountable before Allah for any life taken or injustice done.

We are only humans trying to live our lives within the ambits of the Islamic jurisprudence. We commit sins, we stray, we mix events up with our personal inclinations. People in politics are forced by circumstances to do things outside the command of their religion. There are rich Muslims who celebrate with alcohol because they cannot say no to their friends. There are rulers who command killings of political rivals while in politics. There are influential people who will not allow the almajiri system to end because of the worldly benefits they gain from it. There are those who will tell you jihad means killing non muslims just because they want to take possesion of their lands or exert powers on others.

Our deeds are diverse. In all, Allah is able to judge. The judgement cannot be escaped by any just because he called evil with a good name. If what he did was killing, he will get the recompense for killing.

If what he did was jihad, he will get the reward for jihad.

I have heard that Jihad means doing good works before. I want your explanation on the word "Kafir" in the Quran, what the Quran says about Kafirs and what should be done to them.

Particularly, I want to know the verse misinterpreted for "Jihad" killing by some Muslims.

Wetin dey worry dis girl!

Kokaine:
You see the way you approached, I already know you are someone I respect. That's how it works. The mutual respect. Thanks for the civility.

Let me describe a little who the quraish were.
In almost all the verses you see in the Quran referring to war or fight or kill, the people in question were the quraish.

They were an Arab tribe who were rich because their town (Makkah) was a tourist centre for idolatry. People used to come from all places to buy idols and worship there.

So the chieves of that town knew that the message brought by Rosullulah( saw) was capable of reducing or stopping that commerce because it was against idol worshipping, and it was elevating the poor in status because it preached justice and equality before Allah.

they had a serious problem with him. Not that they had any doubt about the content of what he was saying. Their problem was of pride(of their tribes and wealth)

Many of them argued that if God was to send them a prophet, why did He not send them someone from the either of the two biggest towns in Arabia. (Makkah or Taif)

Others argued that why did He send someone that eats and walks about like a human, and not someone with gold flying from a place to the other like an angel. Their disbelief in him was for economic and egocentric reasons. Not that they were not familiar with the content of his message. They were close to Abyssinia the land of the Arabian Christians. They knew very well that idol worshipping was not the right thing.


HIS MESSAGE:

The basic message brought by the Rosullullah(saw) was that people should abandon the idols, be just, treat the orphans and poor with kindness, do not burry their females children (as this was the reaction of some Arabians when their wives gave birth to female children instead of male that they took pride in. Some of them out of regret would burry her alive), be dutiful to the parents.
All the messages he preached were what you and I would call a sane persons way of life.


JIHAD

When the Quraish saw that his message was gaining traction among the weak and poor Arabians, they decided to start chastising them. They were beaten and driven away from their homes until they went to Abyssinia the land of the Christians who heard their story and accommodated them. They had believed the message of peace brought by the prophet also included that they had no right to fight back their oppressors.
That was the reason for the verses that permitted them to fight back.

All the verses make it clear that the people they were fighting were of these characteristics

1. People who fought them. ( not people who were merely practicing other religion
2. If the people stopped fighting them, then the Muslims had no reason to fight.

In the third picture you would clearly see where it says jihad is for the weak women and children who are crying against oppression.

In the last picture, you will see where it is clearly stated that those who do not fight Muslims are not included in this category of people who are enemies of Islam. It is only those who drive you out of your homes or attack you that you should defend yourself from. The Quran is filled with so many verses that offer these clarity. But you know the reality of humans. Even people who cannot read will try to interpret it to fit their agenda.

Just like the scenes of Christianity where you find pastors doing ridiculous things on the TV. Like feeding members with detergents, and all of that. We all know that is not Christianity. The Catholics are practicing what Christianity used to be. All of those shows and funny statements by a pastor like odumegwu or whatever his name is, is a far cry from what Christianity is. We also have people who turn Islam upside down for their own purposes. That is the problem. The crises in jos for instance was originally a land tussle. It degenerated to religion. Islam means peace. So how can a religion that says you should turn away from the foolish by telling him salam, permit you to kill people who did not attack you. It is a far cry from what Islam is.

Muslims are told not to drink or fornicate, yet many do, it shows that the doings of Muslims does not necessarily portray what their religion demands of them. They could be passing a wrong message and people will think Islam instructed them to do these things.

You have spoken well. I understand all that you have said. Again, let me stress that I know and have good devout Muslims who don't drink, bet or fornicate for anything, talk less of killing. I understand that religion can be turned upside down.

ON JIHAD, I've read and understood the angle you wrote on. I am a Historian. Another angle of jihad I am very familiar with is that of Usman Danfodio's own which the extremists (terrorists) copy I think.

Usman came into the picture before or after the Quarish. Where did he get his own inspiration from? Which doctrines and how did he bend doctrines to suit him?

Kokaine:
Dear Muslims,
You can see one of the reasons its mentally unhealthy to engage people like this in any intellectual discourse. Every one on earth knows that death is a characteristic of all living things. No one actually thinks he will escape death at one point or the other. But a person like this who has not even appreciated the reality he sees everyday, will want to engage you in a religious debate. Yet he has never seen anyone who lived beyond 150 years in some cases. And he knows that as time counts, we are all gradually leaving this duniya for the life of the hearafter. Or maybe he doesn't really know. Maybe he thinks all the people he knows who have left this world are somewhere in America continuing their lives.

Please let's be learning to turn away from them. In surah Furqan chapter 63 where Allah was describing the qualities of the righteous slaves,

He said "wa ibadul rahmani ledzhina yemshuna alal ardi haonan, wa iza khotorbahumul jahiluna korlu salaman"

Meaning-: And the righteous slaves of the most Gracious (Allah) are those who walk on the earth surface with humbleness. And when they are addressed by the ignorant (foolish) people, they reply with salam(meaning peace)

Mind you brothers, the problem here is not the answers to his questions. The questions he asked could be answered intellectually if he had asked them with some sense of decorum and self respect. But he already presented himself as an unintelligible person who should not be engaged in any discussion. It is better to reply his kind with peace and move away quickly to avoid any further mental breakdown on his part.
Assalam alaykum brothers and sisters in Islam. May Allah guide us aright and make us remember the reality of death. The fact that we will all return to Him undeniably at a time we do not know. Ameen!

You tried so much to tackle him intelligently. I have very good Muslim friends, best friends etc. I understand that Christianity and Islam both contain distortions.

But the two major issues of Hypocrisy and Bloodshed, even as distortions, will always shock anybody even if he/she understands them as distortions. Those issues are too important to not worry the mind.

There is hypocrisy in Christianity too for the ones who think grace and the blood of Jesus is sufficient to always wash away sins, just as Ramadan Fast may also be misunderstood to come along to wash away sins too in Islam.

However, Bloodshed on the other hand is not in Christianity. Such chapter was closed in the old testament for the new testament to take over as the new order. The Bloodshed is the main issue for many like me no matter how hard I try to understand it as distortion.
MY CONCLUSION: Such chapter was not closed thereby making its misinterpretation to gain much influence.

Remember, I said I have many good Muslim friends . As a matter of fact, my best friend is a Muslim.

Highbeepeeh:
Only the best knows the best and support the best.


This season will surely come as a surprise to everyone and e go choke some people when man united eventually LIFT THE EPL TROPHY

BurnaUnited ama become one of your Fan straight up

And you think Chelsea will let MAN-U do that abi?

You see this season so, we die there ni o.

It's obvious you don't know the excess juice Chelsea is carrying. Ronaldo will see weyrey.

Beebah2000:
Life hard na.
Leave her make she fúck, as far money is involved no problem.
E no concern me because no be me them go fúck na

Women sha

You will never condemn what your gender is doing wrong, especially if it is men that are condemning her.

Na reason why dis world go continue to spoil. Because woman nor go join voice to condemn their own bad ways.

Do you know the impact that condemning things can have on some people to change positively?

All of una go even dey do the same thing wey una soppose condemn with mouth.

I lived in a Face-Me-I-Slap-You (Face-Me-I-Face-You) with not just the landlord but his two adult children. His son stays in one of the rooms with his children and wife. The other, his daughter, divorced or chased from husband's house, stays in another room with her own children. Their aged father (the landlord) occasionally picked quarrel with her and would ask her to leave his house, go back to her husband, find a husband etc. She seriously contemplated moving out to go rent another house after a quarrel one day.

I don't know what happened in her marriage. She thinks her father and brother hate and don't want to see her, even said her brother wants to kill her. She and her brother quarrel sometimes too. But after a short while, the malice would end and she and her father and brother would be on talking terms again. She tries very hard to avoid her brother's wife by all means though because na gangster wey me sef confirm. Their children play with each other with caution. Her brother's children are not always around sha as they go to shop with their mum and their dad goes to his place of work too.

Landlord is very fond of his son; they don't quarrel at all as he literally sees him as the man in charge and true son of his father. I think the landlord's wife, their mum, is late. His daughter is sick of the quarrels, insults and discrimination. She once approached me to discuss that she takes care of their father with her own money from her business (expecting some of the rent-money from him for that at least sometimes) and how she was told to leave the better room I took to another one. Basically, she was trying to make me understand that if her brother can stay and enjoy cordial relationship with their father, why can't she too? I can't categorically say if she takes care of their father with her own money. Maybe sometimes she does. I've seen the man cook in his own room with his own gas.

Now my question is, can a man and a woman ever get the same treatment? We are struggling to achieve equal treatment in other spheres of life. But in family circle, it is stricter (Family in the contexts of the one you come from and the one that comes from you). Is woman failing to know the boundaries in this equality game? Is woman failing to take her place as woman.

Her only friend in the neighborhood is a woman living in a rented apartment nearby with her children. Her husband has been away for months for God knows why. Hustle for a better life? Runaway husband? I don't know. She keeps in touch with her father-in-law and mother-in-law from time to time. I overheard her on the phone with her husband as she questioned his continued long absence. Her husband asked of his children and she picked offense for only asking of his children, asked him what he expects her to do anytime she needs him around as her husband for intimacy. He said he trusts her. She forms church and self-discipline and all but things still fit dey happen untop all of that. If she is the stubborn wife type as I suspect she is, then she is on a very long thing and she is not even aware of it yet because every man wants peace of mind.

SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.

FutureIsFemale:
This month is the month of letting the cat out of the bag..

I will soon call out two NL boys.

For abandoning you after getting the Coochie or what?

nenyewrites:
Lol, that's why most of their men cheat on them and treat them anyhow. You need to see the level of cheating. Its disgusting. Even the elderly ones.

The women cheat too. In fact, you would think Yoruba wives cheat the most. Openly joking calling a young boy her boyfriend and freely saying the most obscene things (male and female). Their women no dey pretend in topics of f.uck, di.ck and pu.ssy.

But count their women out of equating a woman with a man which is FEMINISM. They let the man take his place as a man and they take theirs. Cheating na both ways.

Almaigaa:
IGBO MAN wey Marry Yoruba Woman married a good thing, but IGBO MAN wey marry IGBO WOMAN married..............................
If i lie ask Nedu or Poul Okoye

The respect in Yoruba culture extends into everything, into marriage and making the woman take her place as a woman. I may marry a Yoruba las las. They may cheat and all. Every tribe cheats.

Feminism is far removed from the Yoruba's. A female colleague confirmed it to me. She said no woman tries challenging the authority of a man in Yoruba.

dalass:
Wow, all of 10% for men

I can't imagine this blame game.. Always the woman's fault. Like wtf

The 10% is even because I'm trying to be fair.
As a matter of fact, woman takes it all 100%. She has the knife and the yam. The power she possesses with that thing in-between her legs can do and undo. She calls the shots with it. THAT IS WHY WE BLAME THE WOMAN IN THINGS LIKE THIS.

Her decision and choice in using it shapes situations and brings outcomes. Therefore, she is responsible for whatever happens after.

For just making the request, it is not such a big deal to blame the man for that. But the woman granting the request is actually the big deal. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND.

Brokeloser:
If not for sapa I for don burst my oga head with coke bottle.Very foolish short greedy,selfish prick

You ba?
You are here insulting me ba?

Xscape047:
Post like this dey shine many married men eyes

But ALREADY e Don B

No talk dis thing again o
Hahahaha
#BadGuy

Suicide Tie

Madam Feminist, wanting to be claiming to be a man. You no fit bring head down and take your place as a woman in a relationship with a man. Now, your life is getting f*cked up. People mock you now and pity you as an unfortunate and used woman.

Na wetin Feminism dey do cause be dat.

fourboys:
Tired of men or men are tired of her

Ask me ooo my brother

dalass:
She was doing doggey by herself ba?

Hypocrisy at its best

We keep blaming you women in these things because a woman holds 90% of the power to make sex happen or not.

TWLifestyle:
lol - why sre you ppl such hypocrites ? Women should condemn themselves while you hail yourselves? It's sad that you don't seem to realise the demise of marriage actually benefits women - U would understand if you actually sit down to think about it .

School me small nau....on the benefits of the demise of marriage to women.

We keep blaming you women in these things because a woman holds 90% of the power to make sex happen or not.

TWLifestyle:
can you people take care of your own children? Lol . Always looking for womwn to sacrifice their careers to care for children for you - yet you arrogantly claim the woman did nothing for your career when we all know sacrificing for children is a career killer
If them born you people well go and do surrogacy and care for your own kids and let's see how far you can go in your career while taking care of your own kids .

Why you dey para?

Many guys I know are single-handedly taking care of their child. Nanny self dey. Instead of una to dey condemn wetin una gender dey do, una go dey talk say men get their own for body too.

Defending the evil of Nigerian females by dem dem females is why their problem will worsen instead of reducing and discouraging marriage in the long run.

As una no wan behave, na to follow una spoil wetin una wan spoil and spoil una join go sure pass.

With the way things are going, na Nigerian single ladies go hear am las las. You go tell me if na man dey go find woman to marry or if na woman dey find man to marry.

ugbanante:
This matter no warrant plenty talk: marriage isnt a cure for promiscuity!

For the man, it is freer. Some women have said they have no problem with their man sleeping around as long as he taking good care of them the main Madam.

However, I don't think any man under any circumstance will be happy about his wife sleeping around. Although I'm hearing a new one of some men being comfortable with their wives sleeping with men for money for the family's upkeep.

Hassanmaye:
Hahahhahahaha our problem is family pressure sir, we want to stay on our own but will they allow us to breath

My brother, surrogacy seems to be the the surest way

JovialJune:
You are sick in the head, Annie put a gun to his head for him to marry her? He knows he's a father of all nation why didn't he dey his dey and keep.being a community diick?

It is you who is actually sick and not the guy you insulted. Are you too stup.id to know that 2Face is a superstar and it was Annie who tied herself to him to marry him because he is a superstar.

This Mustapha is an ass.hole. Is Bello running for president because he is a youth or because he has performed exceently well?

He can't pay ordinary salary paid by Kogi's former governors in a salary-driven state, leaving the people to hunger and death.

Any amount wey remain in the account, dem don freeze am be say dem don freeze am.