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FamilyRe: Should The Man Pay It? by Myer(m): 6:46am On Jun 16, 2020
Jeffrey12:
Nairalanders, What's your take on this?
What would have been your reaction towards this matter, If you were the husband?

https://twitter.com/SmartAtuadi/status/1272275117280759810?s=19[/quote]The igbo marriage culture is just a poverty alleviating scheme in disguise.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m): 4:59pm On Jun 15, 2020
hoopernikao:
2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Did you say PERSONAL REVELATION? In God's word?

Please delete that word now. It is not good for you at all.

The scriptures are not for personal revelations Sir. It has a define purpose and intent. Search for it Sir. A DIVINE UTTERANCE SUBJECTED TO PERSONAL REVELATION AND VIEWS CANNOT BE SAID TO BE DIVINE AGAIN. To be divine, it must carry the same intent of the inspiration: God.

I think proper bible interpretation classes should be organised in many places. This will go a long way to help many.
This is quite true and necessary to maintain order and sanity in the church.

But have you wondered why Catholics pray through Holy Mary and your church doesn't?

It was due to a personal revelation that became a doctrine.

To be more scriptural, Paul always referred to his encounters and revelations during his epistles which seemed to contradict the other apostles yet they accepted them, after all both he and Barnabas were chosen by the Holy spirit for a special mission to the gentiles.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m): 4:53pm On Jun 15, 2020
hoopernikao:
grin grin grin grin grin. You have started your own.

You can truly see whatever you want to see but that doesnt change the fact that there is ONLY ONE THING the scripture text shows to us. There is ONLY ONE MESSAGE and there can be ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION. Hence, when two people see differently the scriptures. it is either one of them is wrong or both are wrong. This is the reason we ought to continually examine our doctrines and teachings and be open to make corrections where needed.

The foundation of the scripture is this. A TEXT OF SCRIPTURES CANNOT MEAN TODAY WHAT IT NEVER MEANT WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN. The is the foundation of bible interpretation. What we should desire today is to see exactly the same thing the Holy Ghost inspired the writer to write. And i believe we will all agree that the writers and the inspiration have only ONE, SINGULAR MESSAGE IN A TEXT. That exactly is what we should strife to see.

WHEN A DIVINE UTTERANCE IS SUBJECTED TO DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS, IT CAN NO MORE BE CALLED DIVINE.
For the sake of peace, I will agree to disagree. cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m):
Maximus69:
pressplay411:



I intentionally avoided this discourse for the simple fact that it is one of those that I have termed inconclusive arguments.

While we can't find the mention of the trinity of God is the bible, yet it can be inferred. The same can be said of Jesus being Archangel Michael.

By definition the word Angel means a messenger from God.
And Archangel means the Primary messenger from God.

By inference the title and position would seem only suitable to the person of Jesus Christ.

I think DappaD has done justice with the scriptural references to support this.

However like other spiritual affairs, it is subject to personal revelation or discerning spirit


God bless you again and again for this post!

Now if it's subject to personal revelation , and there is BENEFITIAL WORKS to show for it {James 2:18-26} is there any need for further argument? cheesy
Typical. I see you've also started adding to poeple's quotes just to suit your meaning.

Why did you add discerning spirit to the post?

Why am I not surprised when you add your own meaning to the bible.

Hope you know the curses that follow those who add and remove from the bible just to suit their own meaning??
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m):
Maximus69:
I know you will still come back to worry yourself after saying goodbye! cheesy

Well there is nothing like Hellfire Sir, that's the misinterpretation of the committee that tried to translate the Bible into English.
What God said in the beginning is just two, live forever or return to dust, there was no place for tormenting bad people!

So if you are interested in learning more, my JW brothers and sisters will teach you but if you feel you're OK with what you know fine, JWs will continue teaching those who are willing to learn! smiley
Why do I need your brothers when your articles are online?
It is just another (mis)interpretion of the scriptures according to what you leaders teach you.

Like I said, you can always see whatever you want to see.
And as always the contradictions and inconsistencies never cease.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m): 9:33am On Jun 15, 2020
Maximus69:
Oh so you're now aware that there is no Hellfire in God's word shey? cheesy
Gradually you're somehow gaining some sense! cheesy
Have you removed the book of revelation from your bible also?

Revelations 20:13-15
The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

You can also read Luke 16: 19-31, the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Verse 24 to be precise.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m): 8:43am On Jun 15, 2020
hoopernikao:
CORRECTING THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF CALLING JESUS AN ANGEL

I will be presenting my full explanations in separate but holistic posts. This is to guide against missing any point and avid distractions.

As a beginner, one of the most basic thing a bible student must know and adhere to in bible interpretation is to know that the scriptures even though is a collections of different books, it must be read together and see as a singular information, documentation and God's inspiration to humanity. [/b]The moment you want to start interpreting scriptures in silos or lifting verses out of its context to suit a narrative, you are already prone to error. [b]Any doctrine must have its foundation in the scriptures and must be taught evidently and visibly to establish it as a doctrine.


A doctrine as foundational as who Christ is that you cant put out more than 4-5 scriptures is already on its way to falsehood. Bible interpretation is not child's play that you just say whatever you feel. It must be provable, teachable, practicable and explainable.


Secondly, every books of the bible and its teaching were all drawn from a foundation writing. They werent drawn by sleeping and praying and something just dropped. All writers and writings of the scriptures have their foundation in Moses' writings. The foundation of all scriptures is based and drawn from what Moses wrote. That means, no author is an island on himself, They studied, searched, investigated Moses writing and by the inspiration of God wrote as an extension and progressive revelation. This is the reason we say the scriptures are sufficiently enough to be its own evidence. When you understand this in bible study, you will always take it as a duty to examine where an author is likely drawing its point from.

Note this, THE HOLYGHOST WILL NOT INSPIRE AN AUTHOR TO WRITE AS AGAINST HIS INSPIRATION IN MOSES WRITINGS. Hence, a great responsibility is placed on us to now read properly, investigate, compare scriptures and by the help of the same Holy Spirit, understand the text of the scriptures.



Having said this, because of space, i will take my first point.

Firstly. Note that even though i have asked for scriptural evidence to show that JESUS IS AN ANGEL. I have seen none that seems serious. Only one person (DappaD) out of 4 proponents of such here pointed me to scriptures as explanation. Yet, see below what you send.



Taking your scriptural quotes out. I have also highlighted your key points.

1. Jude 9: Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

2. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:

3. Isaiah 9:6,7 ...his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

4. Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

5. 2 Thessalonians 1:7 Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

6. Matthew 16:27 come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

7. Colossians 1:15 Who is the[b] image of the invisible God[/b], the firstborn of every creature:


Sadly, none of these have Jesus and Michael in same context. Only two have Jesus and Angel(s) in same context (2 Thessalonians 1:7, Matthew 16:27. we will still examine this).

Your point was that, we need to juxtapose the scriptures to come to the meaning. I am sorry, true bible hermeneutics and exegesis doesnt allow such juxtaposing. It will breed error as this. We must be able to trace vividly, by explaining scriptures with scriptures to derive a stand.

Also note, that only one of your scriptures have a meaning of angels in same context with Jesus. That is the word occurring together. The rest are simply out of it.

I will make sure i handle them in my explanations.


I truly hope you are patient enough to read to understand and then raise your concern howbeit, with scriptures.

@Janosky, Maximus69, DappaD, Acehart, Rozz, MuttleyLaff, Myer, Goshen360 (love to invite you two here)
You can see whatever you choose to see in the scriptures.

So if you want to see Jesus Christ as God, it is there.
You want to see Jesus Christ as the Holy Spirit, it is there.
You want to see Jesus Christ as an Angel, it is there.
You want to see him as Lucifer (Morning Star), it is there.

On that premise, those who choose to see Jesus Christ as Archangel Michael will certainly see it too.
It is up to you, what do you want to see?

Those who want to see in the scriptures that Grace permits Sin, also see it. Hence most Pentecostals.
While those who want to see that Grace only permits righteousness, so shall they see viz Deeper Life.

Like I said, you can see whatever you choose to see in the scriptures.
Christianity EtcRe: If you love GOD, keep HIS Commandments (john 14:15) by Myer(m): 2:09pm On Jun 14, 2020
OpenYourEyes1:
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever"— John 14:15-16


If you truely love GOD you won't break HIS law.
As seemingly straight forward as this is, you can see there are already a myriad interpretations of it.

Paul's teachings even teach that trying to fulfill any of the laws is a curse. Since Jesus already fulfilled them having been crucified for the sins of the world.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Cleanliness Really Next To Godliness? by Myer(m): 1:07pm On Jun 14, 2020
Petersamuel8:
The cleanliness does not necessarily mean physical look,hair style or even shoes

It simple has to do with righteousness, you are practically unclean if you fornicate
The axiom in question is not of christian origin so it was referring to physical clearness.
But whether cleanliness is next to godliness is dependent on the religion you refer to.

In Christianity cleanliness is not next to godliness. Since Jesus accused the Pharisee and Saducess of maintaining an outward cleanliness whereas their heart was filthy.
Likewise Jesus instructed his disciples to be ready to clean the fear of others otherwise they can't have a part in him. Washing of someone's feet was one of the dirtiest tasks for slaves then.

However in Islam cleanliness is truly next to godliness. Which is why Mohammed commands it in a lot of their practices.
Christianity EtcRe: Could It Be Spirit Husband Or My Ex After My Life? by Myer(m): 9:11am On Jun 10, 2020
foleskay:
All these indomie generation children sef. embarassed
lol Mr stone age generation.
Christianity EtcRe: Could It Be Spirit Husband Or My Ex After My Life? by Myer(m):
Demiladey361:
I fell sick six months ago and almost died. I was taken to some places but got worst. So later I was taken to church where they did deliverance for me. Then I got better. I didn't get better totally but gradually. Till date I still experience the sickness but not like before.

But I remembered when I was still very sick, my sister told me a pastor explained to her that the attack is coming from a guy who is angry with me and I have to make amends. I didn't really bother about it since I was getting better.

I broke up with my ex around last year when we quarreled. When I found out he is a cultist. I told him never to call me anymore. We were planning to get married next year but when I found out he is a cultist I ended it and it caused a lot of confusion btw our families but at the end they respected my decision and we part ways. Weeks later he called me and said he was really hurt bla bla...

Fast forward to when I was sick. I discovered when I was sick and recovering... I dream about him a lot even without thinking about him but I didn't take it as anything.

Then recently I decided to go to MFM church for a week deliverance to be totally free from this affliction... I fasted for a week and prayed but on the last day, the prayer was about spirit husband and behold I fell and started screaming "No No"... I was rolling up and down scattering everything.. A lot of pastors came to my side praying but I was still screaming" no no" "she belongs to me".

Then when I came back to my senses "the pastor called me and told me I still need much fasting and deliverance session because there must have been a strong covenant for him to say no" . Then he asked me about my past lifestyle. I told him I was worldly then and the only boyfriend I had that lasted long I broke up with him. Then he started praying for me and telling me to say I break every covenant with that guy and behold I was feeling very uncomfortable and shaking then I stopped.

.. After that he prayed for me and told me when the church reopens I should come back for the deliverance cuz the church is currently locked because of the corona issue.....

When I went back home I decided to pray about this guy again but I was still feeling very uncomfortable like I was going to faint then I stopped but then I began to recall everything about my ex.. I could remember he told me we should have a covenant then but I refused ... Then he told me to promise him I won't ever leave him.. I did and he also promised and that was all. Again I remembered he called when I was very sick, he greeted me fine and asked if the sickness caused some spots on my body I said no and then the day the pastor told me to pray about breaking covenant with him, my ex called me that very day to ask me how am doing.

But now am really confused right now. Have prayed about witches and wizards to leave me alone but still am not totally free and now am beginning to think towards my ex direction...

Could he be responsible for this and what about the spirit husband stuff cuz during the time I was sick I dreamt about someone having sex with me and me breastfeeding a baby in the dream.

And when the pastor called me again he said he saw a stretch on my life and he doesn't know where it is coming from that I really need to pray and gave me some prayer books.

Then I called the pastor my sister went to and asked him. He told me the attack is coming from a guy that he is very angry and because a covenant was made and I need to make amends cuz I was ungrateful to him. I was totally confused.

Am so confused and tired of everything right now how is my ex anyway connected to spirit husband.
It's Nollywood that is after your life.
You don't hear such crap in other climes.
What you believe is what's killing you until you liberate your mind by changing your belief system.
Read good books that help you know how the mind works so you can use it positively.
Christianity EtcRe: If You Miss HEAVEN, Who Will You Blame? by Myer(m): 1:31pm On Jun 07, 2020
AdoreHim:
It's no false claim brotherly, Christ is actually coming back again. Indeed He shall return, the period and time noweth no man.

He wants the good news to reach the outer most part of the earth. That no being will have any excuse whatsoever to give, every ear must hear the good news.

This is a time of grace, still waiting for you and I to be ready, He's a compassionate Father.
Lol we know your type. How can you be so certain of what you have no experience of. All you have is what you read from the bible.
It's just a matter of time before you come to your senses.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is Christianity So Divided? by Myer(m): 11:38am On Jun 07, 2020
Reality11:
Christianity has thousands of denominations and sects each almost having a different teaching, doctrine and way of interpreting the Bible and how they view what is contained in it.

The belief that their is a superman in the sky who created the universe is the only thing they all agreed with.


Put 10 different denominations in a room and tell them to discuss religion, Christianity, Bible doctrines they would end up arguing.

And they wonder why atheist argue or question their belief.
Even in the same denomination you'll be surprised how they don't agree on the same thing, talkless of inter-denominations.

Christianity is a good attempt to bring good into the world however, just like every other religion selfish interests have consumed its purpose.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is Christianity So Divided? by Myer(m): 11:35am On Jun 07, 2020
petra1:
Denomination is not a problem . It was there in the early church . Condemnation and judgementalism is the problem . We can have demonination and still be United. Denomination is according to revelation of truth . I cant blame you for the truth you dont kkow but I should accept you on the bases of your profession of christ lordship
If denomination is not the problem how come different denominations condemn one another?
Christianity EtcRe: If You Miss HEAVEN, Who Will You Blame? by Myer(m): 11:33am On Jun 07, 2020
Righteousness89:
Feel stupid? The one that is foolish or stupid is the one who has not Accepted JESUS..

JESUS IS COMING!

Many also Going on Personal Rapture per second...

My Brother, I Advice with all Love to drop this sense you feel u have.. its Folly!

Accept JESUS Christ... The next minute could be Late..
Did God give you sense just so that you can drop it?

Don't worry, your veil will soon clear. Kontinu.
Christianity EtcRe: If You Miss HEAVEN, Who Will You Blame? by Myer(m): 11:20am On Jun 07, 2020
Righteousness89:
My Brother, None of us has seen GOD ALMIGHTY..

That's why we are here to put out to those who don't know!

There is No Excuse Bro! Don't Deceive yourself
I saw a lot of your posts during the pandemic claiming Jesus is coming.
Don't you feel stupid now that the pandemic has wanrd down and Jesus still didn't come?

It is stupid of you to still believe after over 2000 years that Jesus is still coming.

If there's anything that history teaches is, it is that Time always tells the truth. Time has proven that the bible's claim that Jesus is coming is just another religious claim that has been proven to be false.

So many have sold their properties and became scared into believing in rapture only to realise it is all false claims.
Christianity EtcRe: What's The Best Way Of Changing Your Church? by Myer(m): 10:36am On Jun 07, 2020
chelseamann:
I actually don't have any problem with the church, pastor or any member.
It's just that my heart is no longer in the church, as in, I am just forcing myself to attend it's Sunday services and because of the fact that my heart is not there, I don't enjoy the services unlike before.

Few tips on why I lost interest:
1. The church is too close to my house
2. The environment is quite not presentable
3. It's more of a family church,
4. The way his son( the junior pastor runs the church as if it's his personal business, too authoritative).
Honestly, I totally fell out of love with the church and I wish to change.
So what's the best way to do that without hurting or causing problems??
Clearly there's more to this story than you've shared.

If you don't mind sharing what exactly happened so that we can both learn and also advise rightly.
Christianity EtcRe: What Every Christian Youth Should Know About Sex by Myer(m): 9:44am On Jun 07, 2020
mrkings84:
Not totally, will help those who have genuine questions....., But will ignore those with non-sense questions!
That's the spirit. You always think you can save them until you realise you're the one who needs saving.
Christianity EtcRe: If You Miss HEAVEN, Who Will You Blame? by Myer(m): 9:42am On Jun 07, 2020
Righteousness89:
If you Miss Heaven, who will you blame?
If you go to hell, you will cry, wail , regret, cry again, Wail again and scream ! You will wish to turn back the times, you will plead for Mercy, but it will be too late.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. If you Miss Heaven, Who will u blame?

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. If you Miss Heaven, who will you Blame?

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. If you Miss Heaven, who will you Blame?


Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
If you Miss Heaven, who will you Blame?


Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. If you Miss Heaven, who will you Blame?


Hebrews 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. If you Miss Heaven, who will you blame?

Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. If you Miss Heaven, Who will you Blame?


Luke 16:27-28
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. If you Miss Heaven, Who will you blame?

Zephaniah 1:14-18
14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land. If you Miss Heaven, Who will you Blame?


Luke 16:29-31
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Today you Have the Preachers In the Churches, Twitter, Facebook, instargram, YouTube, etc Preaching the Gospel.

Here on Nairaland, You have Righteousness89 and the other Brethren Hammering the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST.

If you Miss Heaven, Who will you Blame?

Do well for your Soul by Humbling yourself before The LORD in Repentance and Accept JESUS CHRIST..

Happy Sunday and GOD BLESS US ALL
You do realise that you only believe this because you have been exposed to the bible.

If heaven and hell were real, I believe God would have revealed it to our traditionalists and other religions.

Interestingly not even every Christian's believes this hell fire doctrine, since God loves all and is patient to make sure everyone is saved.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Christianity EtcRe: How Can A Pastor Show Christ-Love To Female Members Without Flirting With Them? by Myer(m): 7:45am On Jun 07, 2020
seyi360:
A Pastor knows that the development of his local assembly rests on God and women. Women's influence on church growth is in no doubt. Women are gifted with the subtle ability to multiply a congregation by word of mouth especially. Hence, a serious Pastor must take women's department seriously.
However, in the attempt to cater for them, he may be misinterpreted, misconstrued and misrepresented. Which raises the critical question.
How can a Pastor draw the line between genuine care for his female members and flirting with them?
Where in the whole bible did you read that it is women that grow the church?
I think you're confusing 48 Laws of Power and Art of Sediction with the bible.

I suspect you're a Christ embassy pastor. Cos this is actually their strategy.
AutosRe: Man's Toyota Corolla 2013 Caught Fire by Myer(m): 7:42am On Jun 07, 2020
dhejykeane:
Nigeria, the junkyard of the world
If you ask Op, I'm sure an igbo man imported this.
Igbos don't care if they destroy nigerian lives as long as they make money.

What else do you expect from a tribe with a culture that does not respect elders but only respects money?
Christianity EtcRe: Christians Are Not Afraid Of Atheists. by Myer(m): 7:33am On Jun 07, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
"56Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see My day. He saw it and was glad.”
57Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?”
58“Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
59At this, they picked up stones to throw at Him. But Jesus was hidden and went out of the temple area
"
- John 8:56-59

Myer, fyi, Judaism is a precursor to the Gospel. It was the prospect of the Gospel that Abram/Abraham saw in future, bought and believed in, that among other things made him obey God's prompt that he should get out of his country, from his family and from his father's house, to a land that God said He will show him (i.e. Genesis 12:1 and Acts 7:3)

The name Jesus Christ, is a game changer, (i.e. Philippians 2:9-10, Matthew 28:18) that can't be compared with any other names like the mentioned prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) Praise God. Alleluia.

PS: After going through the thread, I'll say, its a case of what the elders see while sitting, the young ones standing on their toes, don't see. When tree near tree, monkey fit do stunts, but when trees far apart, monkey must trek first before hin fit climb next tree. jamesid29, well done.
Oshey 24 elders. cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists, Please Stop Spoiling Religion Section On Nairaland For Christians by Myer(m): 9:50pm On Jun 06, 2020
Maximus69:
Go tell them they're outcasts on their father's land and see the outcome! smiley
I don't need to tell them, it's what the society says.
When last did you fill a form where traditionalist was on the list? In Nigeria, as I said you're either a Christian or Muslim or you are treated like an outcast.

You of all people should know better, afterall anyone who is not a JW is going to hell, right?
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists, Please Stop Spoiling Religion Section On Nairaland For Christians by Myer(m): 7:47pm On Jun 06, 2020
Maximus69:
What about the traditionalists like Woke Soyinka, Tai Solarin, Gani Adam's and co?

Are they also outcasts? cheesy
Sure
Christianity EtcRe: Christians Are Not Afraid Of Atheists. by Myer(m): 7:30pm On Jun 06, 2020
PRE4:
Christians are never scared of atheists,and they will never argue for a long time with atheists.The fact that Christians dont argue with them gives them the aura of intellingence and impression that Christianity is built on clueless facts.
Mind you,Religion is different from christianity.It creates sense of division among religious fanatics who can do anything to defend their religion even to the extent of killing termed"Unbelievers".

Christianity means Christ pathway.This is not a religion but a lifestyle that every follow of Christ must exhibits.We dont kill or do any diabolical practice because our father was not ever spotted doing it.
Atheist telling Christians that God does not exists is likened to a person told that his father do not exist.
This atheism should be extincted because they failed to ask themselves"WHO CREATED ME"?.
If they are saying they transformed from apes,then who created those apes?
All those laws they quote were not meant to be if a great designer never initiated it.
THINK WELL.
Christ is to Christianity what Mohammed is to Islam and Abraham is to Judaism.
It's important to know that all are religions simply trying to make sense of life and trying to create a fictitious ideal world.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists, Please Stop Spoiling Religion Section On Nairaland For Christians by Myer(m): 7:25pm On Jun 06, 2020
CAPSLOCKED:
EVERYBODY BECAME RELIGIOUS BY FORCE IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND TILL DATE, THEY'RE STILL FORCEFULLY TRYING CAGE EVERYONE. EITHER THEY'RE FORCEFULLY TELLING US TO BE BORN AGAIN OR GO TO HELL, OR THEY'RE KILLING NONBELIEVERS AND CONVERTS (ISLAM). BUT THE JOLLY ATHEIST WHO'S JUST REFUTING CLAIMS OVER THE INTERNET IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO STOP THE "FORCE". SENSE IS VERY FAR FROM YOU.
In Nigeria, you're either a Christian or Muslim or an outcast.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists, Please Stop Spoiling Religion Section On Nairaland For Christians by Myer(m): 7:23pm On Jun 06, 2020
Maximus69:
What you don't realize is that ATHEISM is another Religion on it's own! smiley

But the secret behind this may amaze you.
There are ATHEISTS claiming believers and there are believers claiming ATHEISTS!

You need to fully grasp the two concepts before you can decipher which side an individual belongs.

An atheist is the person who have a secret altar in his heart, each morning he takes a bow before this hidden altar while he goes out to mix with other people. Whatever his heart tells him is the right standard and he feels everyone around him must bow before this hidden altar. But the problem is how to make people bow before what they can't see! cheesy
Many of them are Church founders and billions are Churchgoers, they switched quickly when the standard set by the founder of any Church doesn't go down well with their secret altar, so they're prepared to pay any amount as long as the standard of a Church and their secret altar is in agreement!

BELIEVERS on the other hand feels there must be a standard that's right for one and all, they keep agitating and searching for this standard. If they've been brainwashed to think there is no God, you'll see them always arguing over right and wrong, but the truth is they're crying quietly in their hearts for the right standard, only that they don't know such standard is IMPOSSIBLE without the concept of a Supreme Being "GOD"!

So in a nutshell, whoever feels there must be a standard that's right for all of us must be prepared to forgo his ego and self esteem (the secret altar) smiley
I really tried to make sense of this until I realised the poster.
Making sense is not something you have a capacity for.
You just like to be heard.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m): 2:16pm On Jun 06, 2020
Peacefullove:
When Angels act on behalf of the most high, they deliver messages in his name. The point am driving at is anytime Jesus, Angels or anyone else except the Father are called God in capital letters, its because they are acting as Gods representative.

" For us, there is ONE GOD, The Father " 1Cor 8:5,6
True, God even made Moses as God to Pharaoh. Exodus7:1
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m): 9:53pm On Jun 05, 2020
Maximus69:
I told you already that Jesus' miracles is for the Jews but because Gentiles put faith in him, many of them became heirs to the promise made to Jacob's children!

But as times go by the power to perform signs began diminishing until there was no miracles in their midst anymore

There is no need for arguments on this Sir, it's a simple case!

I have explained what i understood from studying my Bible and you said it can't be true.
It's just like someone saying "2+2=4" please instead of arguing about it, just ask him to put it into practice that's all! smiley

You said it's the interpretation of my Organization, well this same Organization is
© Preaching and teaching people globally.
© Uniting people from all nations as one.
© Rendered money powerless in their midst so there is nothing like struggle for prominence and fame amongst them.
© Raised the best of husbands, wives and children throughout the world.
© Disarm all their members so that none of them will carry weapons for any reason whatsoever.

Well they're claiming that is the sign Jesus promised will be their identifying mark! John 13:34-35

But your friends insisting they are going to perform miracles even greater than that of Jesus are there now o, they can't face Covid19!

So present the evidence of your theory that says miracles still exists, but i'm telling you that there is no Christian group performing REAL miracles today again, it's all a deceit!

God bless you! smiley
Still no scriptural reference.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m): 9:08pm On Jun 05, 2020
Maximus69:
Thanks for the observation! smiley

Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) even though majority of the Jews never acknowledge him, but whether they do or not God's arrangement will not be altered!

God's plan is for another covenant to be sealed when the Messiah comes, so the Jews themselves knew quite alright that whenever their Messiah's presence has been felt there will be a sign, God's holy spirit will be poured out on faithful Jews and they will see visions, dreams and so many other powerful signs! Joel 2:28

That was the import of Jesus' comments compare to Act 2:16-18, but as the message began living the territories of the Jews, such spectacular signs will begin to diminish, because those signs were STRICTLY meant for the Jews NOT Gentiles! Mark 7:25-28
Jesus emphatically made it clear that his presence and signs was meant for Jews because they're the children of Jacob that God made the promise to! Matthew 15:24 compare to Genesis 12:3

By the time the last Apostle died there was nothing like miracles or signs of any kind again, the purpose has been met, the whole message and visions has been completed and the last Bible book Revelations has been completed (sealed) Revelation 22:18-21

So whoever wants to worship the God of Israel no more needed any miracles but believe in the things written about the God of Israel NOT expecting to see someone or something spectacular before trusting in God's word {John 20:29} true believers today only need to trust the message in the Bible that was brought to them by his well organized and orderly people! John 17:20 compare to Romans 10:13-15

God bless you! smiley
You were unable to give any other scriptural reference that confirms that signs and miracles would cease. All you gave is your organisations interpretation of God's plan.

True, Jesus did say he came for the lost sheep of Israel and not gentiles.Matt 10:5-6
But you should have studied further.

Because the Jews rejected him, he turned to the gentiles as prophesied, to make the jews jealous and to bless the nations of the world as promised to Abraham. Romans 11
The signs aren't for Jews alone because Jesus healed several Gentiles- the Samaritan wonan, Roman Centurion's servant, Samaritan leper, Canaanite woman's daughter and many others.

Jews rejected- Matthew 21:23, Luke 14:15-24 (parable)
Gentiles chosen to provoke jealousy in the Jews so that they will turn to him. Roman's 11:7-11

No where else in scriptures is it confirmed that signs would cease.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m): 9:07pm On Jun 05, 2020
Maximus69:
Thanks for the observation! smiley

Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) even though majority of the Jews never acknowledge him, but whether they do or not God's arrangement will not be altered!

God's plan is for another covenant to be sealed when the Messiah comes, so the Jews themselves knew quite alright that whenever their Messiah's presence has been felt there will be a sign, God's holy spirit will be poured out on faithful Jews and they will see visions, dreams and so many other powerful signs! Joel 2:28

That was the import of Jesus' comments compare to Act 2:16-18, but as the message began living the territories of the Jews, such spectacular signs will begin to diminish, because those signs were STRICTLY meant for the Jews NOT Gentiles! Mark 7:25-28
Jesus emphatically made it clear that his presence and signs was meant for Jews because they're the children of Jacob that God made the promise to! Matthew 15:24 compare to Genesis 12:3

By the time the last Apostle died there was nothing like miracles or signs of any kind again, the purpose has been met, the whole message and visions has been completed and the last Bible book Revelations has been completed (sealed) Revelation 22:18-21

So whoever wants to worship the God of Israel no more needed any miracles but believe in the things written about the God of Israel NOT expecting to see someone or something spectacular before trusting in God's word {John 20:29} true believers today only need to trust the message in the Bible that was brought to them by his well organized and orderly people! John 17:20 compare to Romans 10:13-15

God bless you! smiley
You were unable to give any other scriptural reference that confirms that signs and miracles would cease. All you gave is your organisations interpretation of God's plan.

True, Jesus did say he came for the lost sheep of Israel and not gentiles.Matt 10:5-6
But you should have studied further.

Because the Jews rejected him, he turned to the gentiles as prophesied, to make the jews jealous and to bless the nations of the world as promised to Abraham. Romans 11
The signs aren't for Jews alone because Jesus healed several Gentiles- the Samaritan wonan, Roman Centurion's servant, Samaritan leper, Canaanite woman's daughter and many others.

Jews rejected- Matthew 21:23, Luke 14:15-24 (parable)
Gentiles chosen to provoke jealousy in the Jews so that they will turn to him. Roman's 11:7-11
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m): 4:25pm On Jun 05, 2020
Maximus69:
God's people experienced miracles but not all the time!

There are reasons for miracles, God doesn't need to prove himself before those having faith in his words, miracles are for three purposes;
(1) To help his faithful servants build confidence in his promises.
(2) To save his faithful worshipers in times of distress.
(3) To fulfil his purposes.

All these three God has displayed several times in the past so faithful servants don't need miracles anymore to believe (trust) him. So instead of expecting miracles they are prepared to die for their faith! Daniel 3:16-18

The period a miracle occur may take 200-300 years interval before another, it's when Jesus came that miracles occurred incessantly because as the King of God's Kingdom the Messiah must be identified by mighty works.
John was the last prophet before Jesus, even with all the regards and respect Jews had for John he never performed one single miracle! John 10:41

After Jesus' death and ascension to heaven, the holy spirit came and rested upon the Christians to show that a new covenant has just been sealed, the Jews had been expecting this for long {Joel 2:28} that's what Peter reminded faithful Jews at Pentecost! Act 2:16-17

Those signs were to help the Jews IDENTIFY the group God approved in the first century out of almost 5 rival groups in Israel.

In our time God never promised us any spectacular signs except LOVE, JOY and PEACE amongst God's people! Micah 4:1-3

That's why there is no religion having Abrahamic background that can perform any real miracles this time, all you'll see is deceit! Matthew 7:21-23

True Christians today aren't performing any miracles but there is LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in their midst! Galatians 5:22-23

God bless you!
How then do you explain Mark 16:15-18?
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
[/b]And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Besides the 1 Corinthians 13: 8-10 which is subject to interpretation, which other scriptures confirm that signs and miracles will cease?

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