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GRIMMJOE:
@ hoopernikao I haven't replayed based on the evil

Believe me every body know what's right and what's wrong, otherwise Nigerian would have all killed each other before civilization, lions eat lions, and a rat will hide after stealing.

You are just arguing, not really discussing because I have already explained this, it's the same reason you haven't climbed a tall build and jump, even an animal won't do that.

Thieves run after stealing, they don't sit and wait for police to give them a ride home.

AeroplaneApple:
Psalm 24 vs 1

AeroplaneApple:
The word of God is infallible and it's consistent...

GRIMMJOE:
We should just open a new thread.

Maximus69:
Quality is the group having less than 9,000,000 members but have solved the problems causing hatred in places as vast as speaking over 2,020 languages!

Quantity is the groups having billions of members but have failed to unite their people!

Remember the famished kids in your pictures, none of them is a child of JWs.
Because Quality effectively stopped hatred amongst the adherents while Quantify only gather them to continue killing one another!

DappaD:
When you take the context of the Scriptures into consideration of where might seem to contradict, then you'll know that no where does it actually contradict
Bible writers though inspired of God (2 Peter 1:20-21) wrote from their perspectives of situations of the events. There is no way two people can relate an event the same way. One may leave out some details the other will cover.

You rushing to conclude that the Bible contradicts itself shows you have some unresolved issues as regards believing in the Bible. Because if you truly wanted to know what the Bible says, you'll stick by it and find out what it is actually being portrayed.

DappaD:
I'll assume you came to this conclusion because of random opinions of others. I don't think you've actually checked whether the Bible does contradict itself or not

Maximus69:
Your personal resolution on the Bible is well noted Sir.

What i'm asking you now is

how do you now distinguish right and wrong after you've resolved that the book in question contradicts itself?

After all you yourself said there are many ways to twist the interpretation of what's written in the book, so why arguing with me on my own interpretation when you're certain that everyone can interpret it to soothe themselves?

GRIMMJOE:
The Bible is all talk, statements but no feat.

This Jehovah witness are the new set of Christians that couldn't let go, so they re invented the Bible to suit their taste and tailored it to their satisfaction.

If anything, JW is prove that humans are finally waking up, the next set of Christians won't accept heaven and afterlife, and the next won't accept the concept of Trinity, all these are just fancy stages to Atheism, it I'll happen.

Maximus69:
So how do you correct one quoting it to back what he said, if you're sure the book is full of contradictions?

Maximus69:
My friend, which one you dey nah?

You said Bible (God's holy inspired word) is full of contradictions, i said that's your own PERSONAL opinion.
Now i cited Bible for my friend (who cherish and respect the Bible) you want to correct the application on a book that you (yourself o) said is full of contradictions!

Please how do you justify the correct application if the book is truly confusing or contradicting?

Well i'm certain that Rozz got the understanding otherwise she will not hesitate to ask, but for the benefit of other followers i'll break it down further.

Jesus is the best human who ever walked this planet {Isaiah 9:6} so for your information the man who labelled Jesus "good" made an understatement!

But why would Jesus refute such a statement?

It's because Jesus won't be that good if not for the one who taught him how to be good (GOD) {John 8:28} so in a nutshell the good attributes they noticed in Jesus is just a reflection of what his father (the one teaching him) possessed. Matthew 16:16

After noticing the good qualities in me, Rozz said "i can sense that you're a good man even though you seems not so friendly" immediately i refuted that because i knew the type of person i was before i met God's Organization, so after relating my experience, Rozz gave the glory to whom it truly belongs "The God of Jehovah's Witnesses" for transforming me!

So if Jesus could say "no one is good but God" the practical application of that statement is "nobody can possess good qualities if such a person has no relationship with God (the epitome of goodness)" Galatians 5:22-23
Therefore how can a person refuting the existence of God be good?

God bless you Sir!

DennisEche:
Very simple, just do this

Righteousness89:
Leave Religion bro but embrace a relationship with JESUS CHRIST! That's what matters!

JESUS CHRIST is all you need in this life and in eternity!

Chige777:
Hello everyone. Please bear with me because this might be lengthy. I have being dating a Jehovah witness lady for about two years now.

She is such a wonderful and caring lady. The type that would make sure I am happy at all times.

Around November last year, she found out that I cheat. She even found out that I cheated that same week she came to my house. After much apologies and all, she forgave me and we continued. We kept having issues and reconciling. We finally broke up in February because they don't marry outside their church (I am not even thinking about marriage now) and someone in her church has approached her for marriage.

They are planning the wedding but she still comes to my house and we Bleep each time she comes. Today she came and her husband to be was calling her she refused taking the call. I asked her why is she doing this to the guy, she said even if she gets married tomorrow she will still be fuc...king me. Although I don't know the guy but I feel pity for him

Maximus69:
There is a great valley between ATHEISM and VIRTUE!

There was a time one man labelled Jesus "GOOD TEACHER", Jesus' response explains it all, you can't really be good if you don't believe in the existence of the Supreme Being "God"! Luke 18:18-19

Because there are certain things that seems good in the sight of humans but evil in God's sight {Proverbs 14:12, 16:25} and there are things that seems evil from human's viewpoint but virtuous before God {1John 2:15} that's why God said to humans "my thoughts are far too high to yours" Isaiah 55:8-9

Maximus69:
Just as only Noah's family survived the flood.
Just as only Lot's family survived the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Just as only Rahab's family survived the destruction of Jericho.

So wait outside the camp and see how only the global family of JWs survives Armageddon!

Maximus69:
She wants to know the truth, now she can see how different set of groups are coming in here to discourage her due to the point she made with her post:
"I'm beginning to reason with Jehovah's Witnesses"

Rottennaija (ex JW)
Achorladey (disguised JW)
Myer (disguised Atheist)
GRIMMJOE (confused Atheist)
Johnw47 (Misinformed Churchgoer)
Freshboi88 (RCCG)
MuttleyLaff (Freethinker)
Somvayina (Freethinker)

And many others have been trying to tell her what she posted is bad yet all of you can't come together on one line of thought.
So i think the young lady can sense what i've been trying to tell her right from the onset, all of you are on the same side, only JWs are on the other side!

Maximus69:
You're quoting Paul's letter whereas you don't even believe in Paul's word!

Well Paul lived the rest of his life having serious issues with unbelievers, not because he is cursing, insulting, abusing or fighting anyone, but because they wanted Paul to admit his God will approve their different forms of worship and he keeps telling them "if you don't believe (trust) in Jesus, i'm sorry for you"!

I've told you times without number that i'm not interested in whether you like my post or not, Rozz for one had difficulty before grasping what i'm saying, now she feels Maximus69 closer to her even to the extent some have accused both of us as having secret affairs behind the scene!

So it's not QUANTITY that we want our Master Lord and King Jesus wants QUALITY Sir!

Ogegeodey:
Dr Iwuajoku is trying to do damage control.


If Naira Marley had not gathered crowd at Abuja, nobody would have known they was any sharp practice by the airlines operator.

Maximus69:
I was a Muslim when i saw the light afar in the midst of JWs.
So instead of worrying yourself about what each religionist say, why not choose what appeals to you?
Abi you too what to propagate ATHEISM?

PiccoloBrunelli:
According to the Bible, God did not create Satan. Instead he created the person that BECAME Satan. The same way a woman does not give birth to a thief but the child later grows to become one.

Deuteronomy 32:3-5 tells us "Perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he.”

This shows that Satan was perfect in the beginning just like other angels. At John 8:44 Jesus says Satan did not "stand fast in the truth" or "abode not in the truth" according to King James version. This means at one point Satan was in the truth. But that later changed? Why?

God did not create the angels and humans like robots. He gave us free will. By choosing to do something which was the opposite of God's will, that formerly perfect angel made himself Satan which means Resister.

Please read Genesis 3:1-5 and Revelation 12:9.

Maximus69:
John 3:16-19, 14:6

Jesus was strict when he made those comments, so it's left to each person to find out WHAT Jesus meant and how should his followers apply his words.

I'm repeating it today, if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, i'm sorry for you

Maximus69:
God's word called people who say "there is NO God" insane Psalms 10:4, 14:1
Not Maximus69!

Jeffrey12:
Nairalanders, What's your take on this?
What would have been your reaction towards this matter, If you were the husband?

https://twitter.com/SmartAtuadi/status/1272275117280759810?s=19[/quote]The igbo marriage culture is just a poverty alleviating scheme in disguise.

hoopernikao:
2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Did you say PERSONAL REVELATION? In God's word?

Please delete that word now. It is not good for you at all.

The scriptures are not for personal revelations Sir. It has a define purpose and intent. Search for it Sir. A DIVINE UTTERANCE SUBJECTED TO PERSONAL REVELATION AND VIEWS CANNOT BE SAID TO BE DIVINE AGAIN. To be divine, it must carry the same intent of the inspiration: God.

I think proper bible interpretation classes should be organised in many places. This will go a long way to help many.

hoopernikao:
. You have started your own.

You can truly see whatever you want to see but that doesnt change the fact that there is ONLY ONE THING the scripture text shows to us. There is ONLY ONE MESSAGE and there can be ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION. Hence, when two people see differently the scriptures. it is either one of them is wrong or both are wrong. This is the reason we ought to continually examine our doctrines and teachings and be open to make corrections where needed.

The foundation of the scripture is this. A TEXT OF SCRIPTURES CANNOT MEAN TODAY WHAT IT NEVER MEANT WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN. The is the foundation of bible interpretation. What we should desire today is to see exactly the same thing the Holy Ghost inspired the writer to write. And i believe we will all agree that the writers and the inspiration have only ONE, SINGULAR MESSAGE IN A TEXT. That exactly is what we should strife to see.

WHEN A DIVINE UTTERANCE IS SUBJECTED TO DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS, IT CAN NO MORE BE CALLED DIVINE.

Maximus69:
pressplay411:



I intentionally avoided this discourse for the simple fact that it is one of those that I have termed inconclusive arguments.

While we can't find the mention of the trinity of God is the bible, yet it can be inferred. The same can be said of Jesus being Archangel Michael.

By definition the word Angel means a messenger from God.
And Archangel means the Primary messenger from God.

By inference the title and position would seem only suitable to the person of Jesus Christ.

I think DappaD has done justice with the scriptural references to support this.

However like other spiritual affairs, it is subject to personal revelation or discerning spirit

God bless you again and again for this post!

Now if it's subject to personal revelation , and there is BENEFITIAL WORKS to show for it {James 2:18-26} is there any need for further argument?

Maximus69:
I know you will still come back to worry yourself after saying goodbye!

Well there is nothing like Hellfire Sir, that's the misinterpretation of the committee that tried to translate the Bible into English.
What God said in the beginning is just two, live forever or return to dust, there was no place for tormenting bad people!

So if you are interested in learning more, my JW brothers and sisters will teach you but if you feel you're OK with what you know fine, JWs will continue teaching those who are willing to learn!

Maximus69:
Oh so you're now aware that there is no Hellfire in God's word shey?
Gradually you're somehow gaining some sense!

hoopernikao:
CORRECTING THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF CALLING JESUS AN ANGEL

I will be presenting my full explanations in separate but holistic posts. This is to guide against missing any point and avid distractions.

As a beginner, one of the most basic thing a bible student must know and adhere to in bible interpretation is to know that the scriptures even though is a collections of different books, it must be read together and see as a singular information, documentation and God's inspiration to humanity. [/b]The moment you want to start interpreting scriptures in silos or lifting verses out of its context to suit a narrative, you are already prone to error. [b]Any doctrine must have its foundation in the scriptures and must be taught evidently and visibly to establish it as a doctrine.


A doctrine as foundational as who Christ is that you cant put out more than 4-5 scriptures is already on its way to falsehood. Bible interpretation is not child's play that you just say whatever you feel. It must be provable, teachable, practicable and explainable.


Secondly, every books of the bible and its teaching were all drawn from a foundation writing. They werent drawn by sleeping and praying and something just dropped. All writers and writings of the scriptures have their foundation in Moses' writings. The foundation of all scriptures is based and drawn from what Moses wrote. That means, no author is an island on himself, They studied, searched, investigated Moses writing and by the inspiration of God wrote as an extension and progressive revelation. This is the reason we say the scriptures are sufficiently enough to be its own evidence. When you understand this in bible study, you will always take it as a duty to examine where an author is likely drawing its point from.

Note this, THE HOLYGHOST WILL NOT INSPIRE AN AUTHOR TO WRITE AS AGAINST HIS INSPIRATION IN MOSES WRITINGS. Hence, a great responsibility is placed on us to now read properly, investigate, compare scriptures and by the help of the same Holy Spirit, understand the text of the scriptures.

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Having said this, because of space, i will take my first point.

Firstly. Note that even though i have asked for scriptural evidence to show that JESUS IS AN ANGEL. I have seen none that seems serious. Only one person (DappaD) out of 4 proponents of such here pointed me to scriptures as explanation. Yet, see below what you send.



Taking your scriptural quotes out. I have also highlighted your key points.

1. Jude 9: Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

2. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:

3. Isaiah 9:6,7 ...his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

4. Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

5. 2 Thessalonians 1:7 Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

6. Matthew 16:27 come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

7. Colossians 1:15 Who is the[b] image of the invisible God[/b], the firstborn of every creature:


Sadly, none of these have Jesus and Michael in same context. Only two have Jesus and Angel(s) in same context (2 Thessalonians 1:7, Matthew 16:27. we will still examine this).

Your point was that, we need to juxtapose the scriptures to come to the meaning. I am sorry, true bible hermeneutics and exegesis doesnt allow such juxtaposing. It will breed error as this. We must be able to trace vividly, by explaining scriptures with scriptures to derive a stand.

Also note, that only one of your scriptures have a meaning of angels in same context with Jesus. That is the word occurring together. The rest are simply out of it.

I will make sure i handle them in my explanations.


I truly hope you are patient enough to read to understand and then raise your concern howbeit, with scriptures.

@Janosky, Maximus69, DappaD, Acehart, Rozz, MuttleyLaff, Myer, Goshen360 (love to invite you two here)

OpenYourEyes1:
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever"— John 14:15-16


If you truely love GOD you won't break HIS law.