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uplawal:
@osisi
continue fooling yourself

Abuzola:
Osisi, u are the most stupid fool to fool yourself, how did what u post above contradict each other.

Allah, mohammed and the numerous 72 virgins must be EXTREMELY proud of u two.

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=283376.msg4113693#msg4113693 date=1246376422]And she was commiting the fornication with your brother while holding the "Noble Koran"
abeg comot for my face[/quote]mohammed actually received revelations from allah while SHAGGING Aisha, so his case might be similar.

littleb:
@noetic2:The Hadith is not false. The hadith does not basicalliy counting the numbers of people who read Quran or performing salat. Scholars are meant to be leaders and God fearing people, apparently when lesser people are being trained towards such leadership while the old trusted ones will continuously dying, and that the essence of my expalantion with another similar hadith. Such fear of God will continuously declining untill no more one will remain.  The quoted hadith was surported with several other ones which are part of the signs of last hour. Muslims will decline in terms of being God fearing scholars(ie those who are potential leaders) by engaging in worldly lust and affection while God fearing ones will diminsihing through death. There is what we called science of hadith, equivalently expalining the analysis of hadith with another hadith probably with different isnaad(chain of narations). In several occasions when prophet Muhammad was telling the sahabah about the future of Islam and muslims in general especially related to end times. Many of the sahabah were willing to ask questions in order to establish the falidity of the hadith, meanwhile they found answers in another hadith with different isnaad.

I will quoted the following hadith which actually might be a response to what you intend to know about the original hadith.


1.Near the establishment of the Hour there will be days during which (religious) knowledge will be taken away (vanish) and general ignorance will spread…
(Bukhari)

2. There will come a time for my people when there will remain nothing of the Qur’an except its outward form and nothing of Islam except its name and they will call themselves by this name even though they are the people furthest from it.
(Agreed upon)

3.The Prophet said, despite the fact that the Qur’an will be read, the knowledge and wisdom it contains will not be considered. This is another sign of the time of the End Times.
There will come a time upon the Ummat when people will recite the Qur’an, but it will not go further than their throats,(into their hearts).
(Bukhari)

And lastly to clear what you might get wrong from the hadith:

4. Allah’s Messenger spoke of something and said:"It will happen when knowledge will be no more.“(Ziyad) said:“Allah’s Messenger, how will knowledge vanish despite the fact that we will be reciting the Qur’an and teaching its recitation to our children and our children will teach its recitation to their children up to the Day of Resurrection?” Thereupon he (the Prophet (saas)) said:“Ziyad, do these Jews and Christians not recite the Torah and the Bible but not act according to what is contained in them?”
(Ahmad, Ibn Majah, Tirmidhi)
It is a sign of the End Times that some Muslims will follow the example of heretical Jews and Christians and imitate them blindly.
The Prophet (saas) said,“Surely you will follow the ways, of those nations who were before you, span by span and cubit by cubit (i.e. inch by inch) so much so that even if they entered a hole of a lizard, you too would follow them,” We said,“O Allah’s Messenger! Do you mean the Jews and the Christians?” He replied,“Whom else?”
(Bukhari)

I think you can draw an inference from the last hadith. If you still not satisfied, then produce yours and lets people read.



When hadith says ignorance will prevail it never stated anything like your phrase "if my refusal to kill, annihilate, destroy, amputate, flog, ". Your question carry a disngenious notion, I only give a ref of Islamic laws probably you might be sincere. If you present part of the hadith that related such I will answer you. If you agree that scholars are meant to be potential leaders. If we equaly agree that scholars will decrease in number till there will be none, then who will be the leader if not amongst the ignoramuses? The hadith further stated the leadership will be a relgious ignorant person who will not judge from anything other than from his personal lust.


Where do you get this from? No proof, no explanation. Who are those apostate and non muslims in the time of prophet, give names and ref, otherwise you are a liar and dishonest on your part!


And that your belief is parochial flourish with inadequacy on the knowledge of hadiths. Additionally, you quoted a verse of the Quran and transformed it to temporary marraige. I ask you which tafsir or which scholars of Islam interprete the verse of the qran you quoted signifies temporary marraige? Also, from the hadith you quoted, I gave another hadith that forbids temporary marriage before prophet demise which you denied. I want a proof from your side that indicate that after being declared haram forever, shows another hadith that allows it.

On my analysis on temporary marraige:

1. The temporary marraige was allowed in the early stage of muslims when people who were used to adultery could not be tottaly commanded to stop.
2. I gave a similar case of alcohol how it was stopped by Allah as depicted in the Quran
3. Another hadith was narrated afterwards as a direct statement from the prophet that temprorary marraige has been made Haram(forbiden) forever.

It is highly dishonest and ignorance of the highest order to lay claim to the previous hadith as a cover that temporary marriage is allow in Islam. Execpt ibn Abass on his opinnion amongst sahabah after prophet Muhammad demise authorise temporary marraige on hardship condition, however when he noted that people engaging in it without necesity he withdrews his opinnion. This oppinion was subjected to when some sunnis think it can still be done.

From the lips of ibn Abbass:
1. "Temporary marriage was at the beginning of Islam. A man comes by a town where he has no acquaintances, so he marries for a fixed time depending on his stay in the town, the woman looks after his provisions and prepares his food, until the verse was revealed: "Except to your wives or what your right hands possess." Ibn 'Abbas explained that any relationship beyond this is forbidden." [narrated by Tirmizy]

2.Abu Huraira said: "the Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) had forbidden or abolished temporary marriage, its marriage and its divorce, its waiting period, and its inheritance." [narrated by DarQutny, Ishaq Bin Rahwiya, and Ibn Habban]

3. Ibn Umar said: "When  Ali  was given the Caliphate, he thanked Allah Most High and praised Him and said: 'O people, the Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) had permitted temporary marriage three times then forbade it. I swear by Allah, ready to fulfil my oath, that if I find any person who engages in temporary marriage without having ratified this with a proper marriage, I will have him lashed 100 stripes unless he can bring two witnesses to prove that the Messenger (may Peace Be Upon Him) had permitted it after forbidding it.' " [Ibn Majah]

and lastly for those who follow ibn Abass:

4. Mohammad Bin 'Abdullah Bin Numayr said: "My father had narrated to us according to 'Ubaidullah according to Ibn shahab according to Alhassan and 'Abdullah the sons of Mohammad Bin 'Ali according to their father according to  'Ali (r.a.a.)  that he heard Ibn 'Abbas (r.a.a.) being lenient towards temporary marriage, so he said, 'wait Ibn 'Abbas, the Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) had forbidden it on the day of Khaybar when he also prohibited the meat of domestic camels.' "

I belief all these refs expose the dark side of your analysis! However, if you still hold to what you belief I want more ref to support your claim! When you are satisfy, I have a question for you, when you ready to take my question let me know.

This is simply called medicine after death.

u posted an haddith and I asked u questions, which u answered. from ur answers we both reached sufficient conclusions and deductions. Once again I repeat my own submissions.



1. The haddith claimed that knowledge will diminish because learned scholars will die.
On further observation, we established that islamic knowledge is usually passed from one (old) scholar to another (new or younger) scholar by education. This makes it impossible for islamic knowledge to diminish since knowledge will be continuously transmitted to new scholars by educating them.

This prophecy of the haddith is therefore FALSE.

2. The haddith claimed that religious ignorance will prevail in the end times. I asked u to define ignorance, u defined it as disregard for islamic laws.
On further analysis, we established that only non-muslims and muslims who have seen the truth away from islam are the ones that could possibly ignore islamic laws. To further emphasise this I asked u "if my refusal to kill, annihilate, destroy, amputate, flog and behead others at the instruction of allah amounts to ignorance?" u refused to answer.

Since it is only possible for non-muslims and apostates to disregard islamic law, and since these people EXISTED during the era of mohammed, when this prophecy was made, it is as such safe to state that this prophecy is again FALSE.

3. The haddith claimed that sexual immorality will be prominent during the last days.
I believe we both know and understand the underlying components of sexual immorality, one of which is temporary marriage.
I also produced an haddith that established that mohammed INDEED endorsed temporary marriages for muslims and it is still practised today by the sunnis. As such we can safely state that sexual immorality existed during mohammed's era and he approved of it.

Since mohammed endorsed this sexual immorality, the prophecy of the haddith does not stand because sexual immorality existed and was rampant even in mohammed's days. This prophecy is also FALSE.

I believe that this is an honest assessment and analysis of the haddith.


PS. Why did u ignore my questions on ur other haddith?

Muhseen:
Good. Here is it:

[size=15pt]Cut off (from the wrist joint) the (right) hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allâh. And Allâh is All*Powerful, All*Wise.[/size]

But whosoever repents after his crime and does righteous good deeds (by obeying Allâh), then verily, Allâh will pardon him (accept his repentance). Verily, Allâh is Oft*Forgiving, Most Merciful.

(Qur'an Al Ma'ida 5:38)


A couple of points to note on the punishment of amputation for theft:

    1-the punishment will not be applied if there is any doubt as to the guilt of the suspect

    2-the punishment will not be applied if the value of the stolen goods is below something of great value -> determined by 'urf [customs of society]

    3-the punishment will not be applied if the thief stole out of need/poverty

    4-the punishment will not be applied if the goods weren't in proper storage (al-hirz) -> also determined by 'urf (customs of society)

    5-the punishment will not be applied if the thief returns the goods and seeks forgiveness of the victim of the theft, before the case enters the judicial system

    6-the punishment will not be applied if the culprit is not a sane adult and the crime was not committed under duress

    7-the punishment will not be applied if the goods were not legally owned

    8-the punishment will not be applied if it is a child stealing from parents or parents stealing from children or one spouse from another according to the opinion of all jurists except Imam Malik.

    9-the punishment will not be applied if the person is permitted to enter the place from where he stole because in such a case there is no proper custody (al-hirz)

    10-according to Imam Abu Hanifa the punishment is not applied to the non-Muslim living in the Muslim state, however Imam Shafi', Imam Malik and Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal have said that it is.


If the theft passes these restrictions, then it recieves the hadd punishment of hand amputation. Any theft that does not meet these restrictions receives ta'azir (discretionary punishment). In such cases the Islamic society would most likely follow case/common law by rule of precedent where like cases are treated alike.



Coming to the scenario where amputation is applied in theft, it is interesting to note the effect this has on society. I'd like to quote some parts of a discussion at a conference of the Saudi scholars:


At this point Dr. Dawalbi made a comment:

   "I have been in this country for seven years", he said, "and I never saw of heard of, any amputation of the hand for stealing. This is because the crime is extremely rare. So, all that remains of that punishment is its harshness, which has made it possible for those who are tempted to steal, to keep their hands whole. Formerly, when these regions were ruled by the french-inspired Penal Code, under the Ottoman Empire, pilgrims travelling between the two Holy Cities - Mecca and Medina, could not feel secure for their purse or their life, unless they had a strong escort.

   But when this country became the Saudi Kingdom, the Qur'anic Law was enforced, crime immediately disappeared. A traveller, then, could journey, not only between the Holy Cities, but even from Al-Dahran on the Gulf to Jeddah on the Red Sea, and traverse a distance of more than one thousand and five hundred kilometres across the desert all alone in his private car, without harbouring any fear or worry about his life or property, be it worth millions of dollars, and he be a complete foreigner."


The Saudi Delegation resumed:

    "In this manner, in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, where Islamic law is enforced, state money is transferred from one town to another, from one bank to another, in an ordinary car, without any escort or protection, but the car driver.

  Tell me, Gentlemen: in any of your Western States, would you be ready to transfer money from one bank to another, in any of your capitals without the protection of a strong police force and the necessary number of armoured cars?

        , Only here, Gentlemen, in this country where Islamic Law is enforced, the American Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr. William Rogers, during his visit last year, could, he and his suit, dispense with the armoured cars, which had been carried in by special planes, and which accompanied them in their tour of more than ten countries. Only here, Gentlemen, did the Government of the Kingdom not allow its visitors to go around in these cars. Eventually, Mr. Rogers spontaneously declined the guard of honour usually placed by the Government at the disposal of their foreign guests; he walked through the soulks by himself, and confessed that, in this Kingdom, and in this Kingdom alone, one had such a feeling of security that one had no more need of a guard.

        , Stealing is almost unknown in our Kingdom, when people, in the great Capitals of Western countries under secular regimes, have no more security for their lives of their possessions.

    (Doi, Shari'ah: The Islamic Law, Ta Ha Publishers 1984, pp. 260-261)



Personally, I know many people who have lived for ten or twenty years in Saudi Arabia and they have testified that they have never come across such a case of amputation for theft. When you implement such a balanced code, theft becomes un-heard of.



I want you to look at this UN survey of burglaries between 1998-2000*. Tell me who is at the bottom of the list? Who is at the top?

*http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_bur


1. United States 2,099,700 burglaries (1999)
2. United Kingdom 836,027 burglaries (2000)
.
.
54. Saudi Arabia 11 (2000)!!!!


Which law is more successful?

These are concrete statistics here. There is no doubt when the UN conducts a survey and the country implementing Islamic law has the fewest burglaries, it demonstrates which is the most successful law in this regard.

All of this is RIDICULOUS and EVASIVE.

why is forgiveness a big deal to allah? why does the victim have to go through the punishment at all? why should one's hand be amputated in the first instance? why is forgiveness not an option to allah?

You are fast emulating olabowale. when asked a simple question, he responds with 1000 words without answering the question asked. This is intellectually unhealthy.

Muhseen:
Where was that said/written?
Am afraid but you can learn nothing unless you read, understand and judge fair-midedly, noetic2. Good luck.

*Edit*

Here are a few points outlined by Muhammad bn Abdul-Wahab on this issue:

1-Forbidden in making exclusion in the supplication

2-The reason for not saying "If You Wish"

3-The Prophet (S.A.W) said to make the appeal with firm determination

4-Ask whatever you can of Allah (S.W.T)

5-The reason for that (for nothing is too much for, or beyond Him)

Regarding this mantra, I'll inshaAllah provide you (and every other reader) with a very well crafted article I read somewhere explaining this sometime ago. I'll look for it just now. Thanks.

You have made no sense. And I suggest u stop taking islamic issues personal.

According to ur initial haddith, which u posted. . . .allah forgives at his own discretion, no guarantees and no basis for any such forgiveness.

I did not invent this fact, it is a simple deduction from the haddith u posted. Tell me what u deduced from the same haddith.

Muhseen:
@Jarus

Here is my e-mail:xxxxxxxxxxxx or xxxxxxxxxxxx
There we can discuss it. Thanks.

NB:
Delete this as you take it.

what complaint do u have that CANNOT be stated publicly and here and NOW?

why does ur complaint have to be secretly made? This is part of the islamic NORMS I find extremely irritating.
My guess is u want to suggest to jarus on how to jihad against non-muslims making anti-islamic posts.

you need to understand that there is something called freedom of speech and this is not the stone and antediluvian age u have always assumed.
opinions on all subjects are bound to differ, and just like u, protagonist of anti-islamic opinions have a right to express theirs.

illiteracy and ignorance breeds intolerance.  get educated my friend.

Kayraph:
nethacker, I don't understand people's reasoning atimes. I've been to some white garment church services (Sundays & night vigils) and am yet to see anything bizzare in how they worship. Religion should never be a barrier to loving your partner. Guys, au would you feel if a lady refuse to go out with you cos of your denomination? Food for thought.

most anti-white garment opinions are largely born out of IGNORANCE.

Instead of reacting always ask them questions about the white garment churches they dislike so much. . . .u will realise that they have little or no idea of the subject matter.

davidylan:
Please show me anywhere in the quran where allah blessed anyone. These thieves cant even be original.

he actually blessed mohammed with 9 year old aisha and other slave girls for sex.

Now clap for Tudor . . , clap clap clap clap

Lennox13:
To all christians and none christians, the bible actually mentioned christians in Acts of the apostles 11: 26, And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. so to our muslim doubters we are mentioned in the bible first in Antioch. if u want to know more, contact me or pray to God to show u more light and directions

This is not the issue.

What does abuzuola and other muslims understand by the word CHRISTIANITY?

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=283376.msg4110319#msg4110319 date=1246327681]You slept with a  Muslim man unmarried for 6 years and have the face to announce such on Nairaland
Shame on you!
Has he paid your dowry yet?
Or are you still giving out your bermuda triangle for free with shouts of allahu akhabar from the bed.
abi you're one of the women his right hand posesses
I hope you know what allah and his mohammed has in store for you as a Muslimah
How ignorant can one be
after that bearded one uses you up,he'll toss you out like a piece of meat and choose 4 fresh teenage brides
6 solid years of giving out milk for free
poor thing
Allah says majority of you Muslimas end up in hell anyway so you might as well rock your boyfriend on earth with all your might. [/quote]This is hilarious wetin uplawal do u?

uplawal:
@noetic2
if you really wanna know, i dnt embrace ISLAM because of my guy but because of GOD, HE commanded it and i obeyed him, [/b]all praise to THE ALL-KNOWING. If i had wanted to be a muslim because of my guy, i would have been since 6yrs of dating,and he never forced me for once, I  tell you truely [b]ISLAM is no joke and GOD is real there, and mind you the earlier the better for you cos the QURAN  is not only for muslims but also for the whole of mankind to teach us ALLTHINGS, even the WEST( WHITES) that brought the incomplete TORAH and INJIL in the name of the BIBLE av so many embraced the religion and we have most of them here in UK doing great work for ALLAH THE ALL-MIGHTY,its not that they are blind or were never born-again as you would argue but because they av seen the truth and are even regretting they av known earlier, dont be deceived by the church as i know for now in naija,its  "he come will like a thief in the night" they will be using to hold you down and other strategies, am loving ISLAM,thanks to GOD.

who commanded it? when? where? how?
I am honestly not teasing you. I just feel concerned.
did u see God in islam? what does He look like?

You have not given ANY meaningful reason why u became a muslim. . . . .which is what baffles me.
did u have an encounter with allah or mohammed?
were u a born again christian? how did u become born again? were u a practising christian?

I can only but pity u, my dear.

huxley2:
more ex-ministers now atheists;

1) Levi Fragell http://philosopedia.org/index.php/Levi_Fragell

2) Lee Salisbury - http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~slocks/tsr/tsr28.html

We know . , . . atheism is now a fast growing RELIGION.

littleb:
1. "Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger, of Allah (peace
be on him) said, I will not be a witness for two types of people who
are destined for the Fire: people with whips, like the tails of cows,
who beat the people (i.e., tyrannical rulers who are the enemies of
their own people), and women who, although clothed, are yet naked,
seducing and being seduced, their hair styled like the tilted humps
of camels. These will not enter the Garden nor will its fragrance
even reach them, although its fragrance reaches a very great
distance. (Reported by Muslim.) "

I have some questions:

1. What is tyranny by islamic definition? what actions or inactions are qualified to be called tyrant?
2. Why would mohammed be the one to plea for people before they enter paradise?
3. what is the fate of mohammed himself with allah?

I cant believe this.

did allah teach to tell lies too?

olabowale:
Abuzola, Salaamualaeykum wa rahmatullahi taala wa barakatuh. You are talking to vultures whose beak are dull and can't tear the fresh from the bones! They are only powerful in numbers, and notin substance! Sleek and all of thm, and, even Davidylan who has a lion with a sun setting on the lion in his picture box, do even know that when the sun is setting, everything begins to get dark! It doeds not dawn on David that the lion with clear golden yellow coat looks almost dark with the sunset behind him!

May Allah protect you from this people. They are smart enough in classroom to know that devine and divinity are two different things. So should it have been for them to know that Christianity is not them, individually, but they are Christians. But old ignorance does not leave the mind so easily. You have to surgically operate it. It takes time man. It may go into remission, and then it flares up!

what are u talking about?

littleb:
After the clear explanation of the hadeeth has came to you, it is left with your inner mind set either to belief or not. There is no temporary marraige in Islam. No sexual immorality. You and I know where in the world sexual immorality is prevalent amongst the tose who consider bedroom dress as public attires. It is Islam which came to liberate people from all sexual immoralities by physically, mentally and spiritually displaying degree of high moral standards. 
You claim the hadeeth is false but you couldn't justify its falsefulness. Why do you always transform the truth on the notion of hatred. You claim Muhammad propagate sexual immorality when you can read it that there are laws against fornication and adultery. I encourage you to better open your mind to realize the truth before it is too late!

I dont think that u are being honest here. You posted an haddith that made 4 controversial prophecies.

1. The haddith claimed that knowledge will diminish because learned scholars will die.
On further observation, we established that islamic knowledge is usually passed from one (old) scholar to another (new or younger) scholar by education. This makes it impossible for islamic knowledge to diminish since knowledge will be continuously transmitted to new scholars by educating them.

This prophecy of the haddith is therefore FALSE.

2. The haddith claimed that religious ignorance will prevail in the end times. I asked u to define ignorance, u defined it as disregard for islamic laws.
On further analysis, we established that only non-muslims and muslims who have seen the truth away from islam are the ones that could possibly ignore islamic laws. To further emphasise this I asked u "if my refusal to kill, annihilate, destroy, amputate, flog and behead others at the instruction of allah amounts to ignorance?" u refused to answer.

Since it is only possible for non-muslims and apostates to disregard islamic law, and since these people EXISTED during the era of mohammed, when this prophecy was made, it is as such safe to state that this prophecy is again FALSE.

3. The haddith claimed that sexual immorality will be prominent during the last days.
I believe we both know and understand the underlying components of sexual immorality, one of which is temporary marriage.
I also produced an haddith that established that mohammed INDEED endorsed temporary marriages for muslims and it is still practised today by the sunnis. As such we can safely state that sexual immorality existed during mohammed's era and he approved of it.

Since mohammed endorsed this sexual immorality, the prophecy of the haddith does not stand because sexual immorality existed and was rampant even in mohammed's days. This prophecy is also FALSE.

I believe that this is an honest assessment and analysis of the haddith.

Abuzola:
Heyee. This people what is it you don't understand, prefix or suffix ? Christianity is never found in the bible, if i call u christian am right because followers of christ are called so and it exit in the bible but if i call u christianity it makes no sense, jesus never knew christianity and that remains a fact

do u know the meaning of christianity? Thou IGNORANT slave of allah.

Abuzola:
Because she isn't deluded like u miserable christian

Thou ridiculous SLAVE of allah . . . .what do understand by delusion?

u that cannot answer WHY U ARE A MUSLIM? who then is DELUDED?

mactao:
Abuzola rarely writes a post with proper English. That's why he finds it difficult to derive the word Christianity from Christians. Maybe it's because people who practice Muslims practice Islam, not Muslimity.

This is so true

osisi, I hope u dont become a muslima. . . . , .

I cant imagine the specialised wife beating allah ordained for u.
The other wives ur husband becomes entitled to, apart from his temporary marriages.


You will subsequently have to kill and jihad all ur loved ones, in order to please allah.
if ur son steals as part of his youthful exuberance, his right hand has to be chopped off, just to please allah.
allah has never loved anyone except moses, so he wont love u no matter what u do, cos he is just not capable of loving.

And after everything u have done for allah, u will still go to hell by his ordination.


I hope u dont listen to olabs. . . .I hope u dont become a slave of allah.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=289961.msg4108932#msg4108932 date=1246302171]You know there's a reason google and wikipedia were invented. I suggest you use them.
Looking back i guess you're right though. We were all born atheists, we came into the world and deceived into christianity, islam etal. Everyday millions of 'default atheist' kids are brainwashed into christianity,those also count as converts right?[/quote]Another LIE from the atheists.

So none of u can refute the claims of sleek. . . . u are so SHAMELESS . , .

romeo:
Freaking Idiot from the tribe of cowards!! Isn't Ignoramus ur family name? Nitwit

Nope.

I can see u come from a DELUSIVE background, where over bloated ego rules. Thou ridiculously brainless imbecilic maladroit.

romeo:
Resenting and "recenting" Biafra is not a new thing even from some shameless Ndi Igbo.

Biafra is real folks, you all can start shitting in your pants now. Freaking cowards

retarded IGNORAMUS.

that explains why ur biafra agenda has worked since 1960. . . .right?

squad1:
@Noetic2

Honestly, dis is good question,
And I now ask myself why AM I a MUSLIM
From my own point of view i see it as a simple question and im not here to start quoting verses for u cos u already have a "Mind Set" that the religion is faulty, so if i quote anything is as if im wasting my time.

if i tell u to spell elephant for a million naira you will gladly chant E-L-E-P-H-A-N-T but if i ask u why is it spelt like dat or why was it called like dat in the first place. im sure u wont give a genuine reason .
In dis world we HAVE the RIGHT to BELIEVE in what will give us SATISFACTION and peace of mind in this world and the hereafter (For those dat believe in dat sha)

I am a muslim because i believe in the teachings of the religion (The Oneness of ALLAH, and the Holy Prophet (SAW)), i believe in EVERYTHING stated in the Quran and all the pillars of ISLAM and I dont expect U to ASK me WHY do i believe in the QURAN? 

Actually I was going to ask just that. cos ur reasons are not tenable when juxtaposed with other religious beliefs.

And about the "Holy Prophet" please and please stop utterances dat ur not 100% sure, some said Aisha was 9, 12 some said 19. No matter what happened "in that area" Allah/God Knows best,  Somethings happen and it will be beyond Human reasoning. And i would advice u not to say any blasphemous thing against the Holy prophet. And Also note that Mary (AS) gave birth to Jesus(AS) when she was 12-14 years.(Im not sure i read it somewhere maybe u can find out)

Please stop living in IGNORANCE, mohammed's inactions are NOT beyond human reasoning.

Aisha was a 6 year old girl, who mohammed had sex with at 9. he denied her a childhood and psychologically abused her, even her father protested.
And what EXACTLY makes mohammed a prophet, not to talk of a holy prophet?

Muhseen:
Assalamu alaikum,

It is reported in As-Sahih (Al-Bukhari) from Abu Huraira (RA) that Allah's Messenger (S.A.W) said:

None of you should say: O Allah, forgive me if You wish; O Allah, be Merciful to me if you wish; but he should always appeal to Allah with determintaion, for nobody can force Allah to do something against His Will.

in order words forgiveness is at the discretion of allah.


is that why allah asked people be killed, amputated, ostracised, beheaded rather than forgiven?

toneyb:
The "evening and morning" are all part of the spiritual light that are not accessible to human organs too? You have not answered anything by the way.

Now u have confirmed my fears.

I would like to answer u with a question.

What is the difference between the light created in verse 3 AND the subsequent light vessels called moon and sun?

toneyb:
Is it the same light that was not accessible by the human organs that the biblegod called night and day? Where is such written in the bible that there was ever a light that was not accessible to the human organs?

The literal human interpretation of this light is called Day and Night. Day and Night symbolizes a full day.

olabowale:
An evil person can also lie and often not tell the truth. This is the case with you christians when it comes to religion. Compare your opinion about Jesus being God to what the Jews who are your holders of salvation!

This is dishonest. I believe it has been REFUTED several times on this forum.

All of these are baseless, uninformed and ignorant misconceptions.

white garment church members are not different from every day christians. most of those criticising them have little or no idea what white garment worship entails.

olabowale:
But what is written down through God's Inpiration on the Writer, should not be changing. Right? Look at your Bible and compare it to the Quran and tell me which one is changing? The one that is changing is the one that is not Inspired by God! I remember the Bible I used in High School, pre 1970. It was different from what the fresh crop that came in in 1971 was given. We compared it then, but since I was not a cHristian, it did not matter.

What was the difference between both bibles? why did u spend so much time on the bible?

toneyb:
Is that what you call an answer The bible does not even agree with your "answer".

I would honestly like u to emphasise on this statement. How does the bible disagree with my position?