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Abuzola:
Then u are a blinded fellow since u do not believe in paradise but ur pastor is compelling u yet u don't want to. I wonder what is wrong with ur brain

I believe in heaven where Jesus reigns with His angels. I dont believe in a secluded islamic paradise, where all that is done is the shagging of 72 virgins.

olabowale:
@Noetics2" Shut up, you dont know how too argue, except the catch phrase that you got stuck in your head! Am tired of your ignorance. This is my last look at you.

olabs This is hilarious.

1. why dont I know how to argue?
2. its not a catch phrase. . . .it is allah who has not provided the original bible. . .or has he?
3. how am I ignorant? please educate me.
4. Have u been looking at me before?

Jarus:
@Neotic,
Pls and pls, temporary marriage has no basis in Islam. It is totally alien to Islamic teachings and culture.

I learnt some Shiia groups do/preach it. This is total ignorance. Stop using this as a basis for discussing islam, because it is not and never part of Islam in the first place.
Go and meet the Shiia that reportedly approve it, and these people are not Muslims anyway.

ok. . . .this shia are not muslims right?

did I not produce an haddith that establishes that mohammed endorsed this? U dont have a point.

toneyb:
I can see that you have no feet to stand on. You said I should show you how science has debunked the creation myth in genesis which I did. Now you are coming up with these? Which light is it that can not be percieved by human senses? . Are you completely dumb? Even the bible that you are tryıng to defend does not agree wıth your assertions because the bible says NO such thing, instead the bible says that the biblegod created light and called it day and darkness which he called night. Are day and night spritual too? You are really a pathetic apologist.
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How was there ''evening and morning'' to mark the day and the night without the sun?  . Or are the evening and morning spritual too?

And as for the universe still constantly creating stars that also goes against your creation myth. According to your bible god finished creating the heavens and the earth(universe) and rested after the 6th day. but science has shown that the new stars are being formed or created constantly. According to your creation myth the biblegod created the moon as light just lıke the sun but science has shown that the moon is not light, it only reflects light from the sun just as the earth does when viewed from the moon. if the biblegod  made the moon to "rule the night" as the bible puts it, why does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky?

According to your creation myth the bible god FINISHED creating the universe on the 6th day and rested. Science has shown that new stars are still constantly being created in the universe.


You are a pathetic apologist.

This is the height of ridicule.

You FOOLISHLY asked where light came from since the moon and sun where not created until the fourth day. I believe that ur question has been answered.

Nezan:
Is 'Allah' different from 'God'?

YES.

Allah is different from the bible God.
Allah is an arabian idol, worshipped by mohammed's father and elevated by mohammed to a revered deity. Allah is NOT Jehovah.

whats new?

toneyb:
Where is your verification or evidence of any of the allege promises since you believe you are a benefıcary?

What is indeed shameless and pathetic is the extent you will go to keep yourself living in delusion. What spirıtual light are you talking about here? . Are you saying that the sun and the moon are spiritual lights? I don't even know what to make of the nonsense you have written here. Where did I make mention of the light that the bible said god created in the beginning? . Here is what I said, The bible says that god created two lights. The sun to rule over the day and the moon to rule over the night but Science has shown that the moon is not light. The sun is light but the moon is not light. The moon only reflects light from the sun just as the earth does when viewed from the moon. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? the bible says god creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day. And how could there be "the evening and  the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them? The bible did not mention the creation of other planets because the people that wrote the ridiculous creation story did not know that there was a solar system where the magnetic force from the sun keeps other planets in orbit. The writer of the creation myth said the earth was created before the sun to show that they have no knowledge of how the solar system operates. If the writer of the creation myth had any idea of the solar system he would have written that the sun was created before the earth.

Do u actually THINK before u write? is it safe to judge u by the quality of this post?

u questioned the rationale for the existence of light before the creation of the moon and sun. do u think at all? was this not what u said?
The bible says god creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day.

u questioned the rationale of light objects been created after the light. . . .and I simply stated explicit light definition that establishes that there is a LIGHT that cannot be perceived by human senses and also not subject to light objects (sun and moon), which was what was initially created when God said Let there be light. The sun and the moon came afterwards.

This is raw ignorance.

What are the ''miracles'' that you have experienced?

Your opinion makes does not count as far as I am concerned. All I want you to do is to show me one case of of the miracle that has been scientifically verified. Again why can't god heal amputees and make their amputated limbs grow back if miracles are real. All I want is a christian that will raise a person that will raise a person that has been medically confirmed dead after 3 days just like the bible said jesus did.

. This is a very lame and pathetic attempt at a joke I must say. Use the same google to find out how many people have confessed for lyıng about their miracle claims, so many have been exposed as liars and con men. All I want is one medically verifiabable case of any ''healing''. Theist are great consumers of modern medicine and often call their treatments miracles even when the causes of their cures are completely explained by the application of medical science. If there ıs any such thing as miracle healing christians will not go to hospitals they will stay at home and pray to their god whom they believe can do all things to heal them. If prayers work christians won2t need medicine.

James 5:14-15 : "Is any among you sick?  Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him."

We know this teaching to be a load of rubbish because if it were real, there will be no christian visiting any hospital. Yet Christians spend billions anually buyıng man made drugs instead of abidıng by the words of their god whıch says that they should go to the church elders. So many have tried what was written in the bible and ended up dead.

The problem of evil is evidence that there is no god. The problem of evil refutes the christian hypothesis that there is a god that cares. If the christian god exist then there will be evidence to show that he protects christian who believe they are in a loving relatinship with their god more than non christians but there ıs NO such evidence. christian and non christians all suffer the same faith harm affects us all at the same level.

Do you believe what the bible says about stars fighting wars along side humans or not? What is this nonsense you are writıng here? Uncreated, unknown. unprovable and contestable god . We are not talking about the big bang. Pathetic the extent to which you go or the ridiculous qualities that you ascribe to your god.   .

And you more ignorant than a baby.

. You flater yourself too much. You are not some one that I consider to be knowlegeble at all.


What is this nonsense.   .

This same god loves humanity and wants them to get to know him. He even came and died for all humanity 2000 years ago in a little village in the middle east according to the story yet people that believe in him are still constantly fighting with each other and do not even know or agree to his basic nature yet he sits and watch does he claims he loves and wants them to know him fight over his basic nature.   . this is only possible for a god that does not exist and is imaginary. Which is what the biblegod is.

It is not that you have no intention of refuting it, It's just that you can't.

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You are the one that was talking about an afterlife. You first of all have to provide evidence for it. Where is your evidence for it, No body has been able to prove that human consiousness survives bodily death.

I cant make a meaning out of all this.

Just define perfection if u can.

cyriluzo:
Hmm!, U obviously have the brain. I just wish you think. You do have the right to express your opinion but if your opinion is just insults, then it needs to be checked.

All I did was to ask u questions and not to peddle insults.

All u did was to incite the moderator, claiming that my post deserves a ban. . . . . .whats that? is that not ridiculous?

and how EXACTLY is my comment unhealthy?

where did you get the idea that the rest of the country recent Igbos!, I have stayed in the North and West long enough to know what they believe. It wont bug me if you say you recent Igbos, But to say the rest of the country recent them is something you yourself shouldn't agree to.

Just like u are entitled to ur opinion, so am I.

It beats me that u completely ignore the underlying issue of the post in question. It is about Igbo perceived self of importance within the Nigerian equation. . . . .that continues to make biafra a dream agenda, and ojukwu a demi-god.

The igbo's (those who share this ojukwu plus biafra mentality) are largely resented. . . for obvious reasons.

muhsin:
Islam has nothing to copy from Christianity, man. It's a completed religion.

yea. . . .completed by allah and mohammed . . .right?

Abuzola:
So wat do we do abt ur god crying for help and making senseless statement and who was talking in john 3:16

another senseless post.

samparian:
i guess some people like stiring the Hornets nest.

whats stopping the hornets from coming out?

cyriluzo:
Am interested in knowing why Nuzo was banned. Does it have somthing to do with this thread or some othere thread.

If someone needs to be banned because of this thread for any reason, I think this is one. Such comment is not health at all.

Do u have a brain at all? when did I loose the right to express my opinion? and how EXACTLY is my comment unhealthy?

This is ridiculous.

eina:
listen man it doesnt matter if this thread has appeared a million times in this forum. what matters here is the seriousness of this issue. dont you know that these islamic extremists are among the very factors threatning your existence in this planet? lets be glad that these islamic nations are not the world powers cos you would have been long gone. iran is trying to obtain nuclear bombs in disguise. lets hope they dont get it.

u also have a point. islam is synonymous to terrorism.

manmustwac:
@post
The reason why yuo are a christian is because that was the religion u were born into. If u were born in Saudi Arabia to muslim parents you,d have been a sunni muslim or Israel to Jews Jewish, India to indian parents Hindu etc. The vast majority of people like you stick to the religion they were brought up into.

I believe I addressed this in my OP. where are ur eyez?

Any way, why are thou an atheist?

xynerio:
I met this gal in the bus and I was begining 2 like her but the moment she told me she attends one white garment church name witheld. Men my feelings quench. I am afraid if I happen to break her heart for a reason, at night I will be flogged spiritually. Pls all white garment churches dont hate me for dis.

whats wrong with a white garment church?

uplawal:
@Abuzola, leave them, theyre really ignorant,even jesus(pbuh) will deny them when he comes, cos what the christians practice will be strange to him.

This is hilarious

u that became a muslim because of a guy just recently, how come u now know allah so much?

littleb:
Since you dont understand the comparision, I will take pain to use analogy, thus:

The reduced in number of religious scholars is a similtude of pyramid heirachical nature with higest number of people in its base, the next people seeking for such knowledge will be lesser than the base poeple. Such is the diminishing till it reaches zero on top. When you think religious knowledge is not been taken away what happen if less people are seeking for such knowledge and what happen to the old knowledgible ones. Remember we are talkng about the last hour. Prophet said, the hours will not come untill there is no single knowlegible person again on the part of religious. Then, the ignorance will be a leader judging from his lust.

This is false.

There is nowhere, the haddith implied any of the above.

I only explain to you what sharia holds on criminal laws. Shows me where God says you should behead, ostracise and anihilate people? Then, I would explain the ignorance that may result from not doing it.

Common littleb, we have been through this several times on this forum.

Then, you reserved your oppinion to yourself since you dont belief in what I belief. From believer perspective, since you dont accept my faith, then whatever I say will be INVALID to you. If someone is ignorance of Islamic knowledge and belief, then, definitely, he is an unbliever according to Islam.

This has no connection or relation with the haddith. We have both established, that these prophecies are both UNREALISTIC and FALSE.

These are the majority of people that will remain in the last part of the last hour. We muslims are encourage to pray not to remain till the period. Ignorant will be very prevalent, calamity and evildeeds will be so cheap to come by. Immorality will be very high. Women will be dressing nude. The calamities will be so much that even the believer will find ti hard to escape from it. In one of hadeeths, it reads that, the world will not come to an end untill no single person remains that will remember a verse from the Quran.

Also, true Muslims doesn't have any truth to discover in Jesus elsewhere, because Allah says Jesus was a muslim.

This has nothing to do with beliefs but with the validity of ur haddith prophecies. They are baseless and false.

Where do you get the hook up story and which tafsir explain the verse as temporary marraige?

I asked you a question. In the whole continents, where and amongst which communities and religious do you have high sexual immoralities and its trends?

ur question is irrelevant.

We have both established that sexual immorality was prevalent in mohammed's era. As such the haddith prophecy is FALSE and baseless.

nuzo:
With this your "nigerian mindset", its not so hard to imagine what will be the outcome of that country in a few years time.

These are mere rants. Rants that have been repeatedly stated since 1960. Instead of u to brainstorm on the way forward for Nigeria, u are making ridiculous assertions about a non-existent and failed igbo agenda.

If the igbos could secede they would have done that ages ago. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE and ojukwu is a NOBODY.

Krayola:
When people come and quote the Bible like it is divine authority, it is just a sign that they are grossly misinformed. The Biblical Jesus, as interpreted by the church (Son of God, Last Supper, rose from the dead and appeared etc) , is not the real deal. I don't know if God exists or not, but I know Jesus ain't comin back like people think he is.

why dont u start by stating why EXACTLY u are an atheist?

toneyb:
How are these sımple statements? I said that there is no physical proof for god's existence. Religion relies mainly on guilt, fear [/b]and outlandish and completely [b]unverifiable promises that have no evidence to gain obedience. This is a very clear stament.

This are baseless assertions. how can u state that a promise is unverifiable when u are not the beneficiary and u dont subscribe to the promiser? This is very unintelligent.
If fear is ur interpretation of christianity, then fine.

I don't have to open a new thread to do that, The universe as we now know(Thanks to science) it is contınually expanding and new stars are being created and formed. The bible says god finished creating the heavens and the earth(universe) and rested after the 6th day. science(astronomy) has shown that the universe as we now know it is still creating new stars. The bible says that god created two lights. The sun to rule over the day and the moon to rule over the night but Science has shown that the moon is not light. The sun is light but the moon is not light. The moon only reflects light from the sun just as the earth does when viewed from the moon. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? All animals were originally created as herbivores according to genesis creation account. Tapeworms, tigers, lion, mosquitoes, and all crocodiles all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by god the bible says. Scıence has debunked that.

The bible says god creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day.  And how could there be "the evening and  the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them?  The Genesis creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis, the earth is created before the sun (whose magnetic force keeps the earth and other planets in orbit) and the stars stars,. The order of events known from science is just the opposite. By the way there is no mention of the other planets in our solar system because the writers of the genesıs creation story do not even know that there are other planets ın our solar system.

This is shameless, disgraceful, unintelligent and ridiculous.
I believe I already addressed all of this with huxley. Go to ur dictionary and define LIGHT. Rather let me do it for u.

Here is a dictionary definition of light. cuddled from: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/light
18. spiritual illumination or awareness; enlightenment.

This definition is an acknowledgement of a spiritual light that is not accessible by human organs. This is the light God created in the very beginning.
The stars, moon and sun are later creations. Just like the bible did not mention the creation of the other planets and the heavens, it is also silent on the continuous re-creation of stars. . . . .this does not rule out the work of GOD.

I knew u were going to come up with something stupid, that was why I asked u to open a new thread.

According to the proponets of god they say that god interacts with humans. There should be some evidence at least to show for it. But there is NON at all. What are the personal experiences experienced by others? If god exist and he perfroms miracles why are they always hidden and questionable? Why can't god perform very clear mıracles like healing amputees and making their amputated limbs grow back? Why are miracles things that will always happen anyway? As for prayers all you need to do is believe there are NO rules.

Again pointless.

U cannot refute claims of miracles all over the world. u can only choose to disbelieve.
I have experienced numerous miracles, this does not make my account of a miracle believable to a third party. . . .believing/disbelieving is simply a CHOICE. That u disbelieve does not discredit the authenticity of my miracle.

I have stated a lot of facts. Jesus said in the bible that "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.
If christianity is true then christians should be doing all the things that jesus promised them. The bible says that jesus walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead and did a lot of wonders and promısed those that believe ın him that they wıll do more than he did ıf only they believe ın hım. No other condıtıon was given all you need to do is belıeve and you will be able to perform all the magic the bıble said jesus performed. There ıs no evıdence to show that christians are able to do that. No christian has ever turned water into  wine. No christian has ever healed an amputee or walked on water.

This is really RIDICULOUS.

The major significance of the physical manifestation of God in human form as Jesus was His works. Healing all forms of diseases and raising the dead. This same works are being replicated, which is one of the most prominent ontological assertions of Jesus. For u to sit behind a computer and ignorantly claim that there are no miraculous works amongst the christian community sparks foolishness and ignorance in my opinion.

I have prayed for the sick who have recovered, so also have there been numerous cases. It is ur choice to either believe this accounts or not.
Just use the google search to find christian miracles all over the world.

I am disappointed at ur half-baked assertions.

What I said makes a lot meanıng on its own. The existence of evil(natural evil), and it was obvious that there isn't a God who cared.

I asked for clarification, cos contextually it is meaningless.

By ur statement. . . .u acknowledge that there is evil . . . . whats the opposite of evil? whats the source of this opposite? whats the source of this natural evil?
u also acknowledged that there is a GOD, unlike ur previous atheistic postulations  . . . .  .ur only reservation was that u believe He does not care.
I have established repeatedly that it is very very very very very very very UNINTELLIGENT to attempt to put a "nihilant" being (GOD) into the container of ur poorly preconceived opinion. make up ur mind, is it that there is no God, or that He does not care?

Who are the members of the intellectual community? You and your fellow friends that believe that stars fight along side humans because people that lived thosands of years ago said so? I am sorry to say but you are not some one that I consider and intellectual. You have no evidence of any god telling you anythıng all you have are the words of ancient men who told you what they inmagined and fantasized about and ascribed it to their god and you accepted it without questionıng it and hoping that it is true.

This is hillarious  this is the second time u are lying on me about this stars fighting stuff. lying is not allowed, even in atheism.

On the contrary, would u consider people who believe that the world and everything it contains could not have been made by an uncreated, unknown, unprovable, and contestable God but could have been made by an uncreated, unknown, unprovable and contestable BIG BANG members of the intellectual community?

I wouldnt, cos they are as ignorant as a baby.

I don't know what perfection ıs you go ahead and tell me.

Dont be lazy. just define perfection and I will gladly REVEAL ur ignorance.

What are the evıdences abound that establish the bırth of Jesus? According to the gospel of Matthew jesus was born during the reing of kıng Herod  but accordıng to the gospel of luke jesus was born when Quirinius was governor of syria. According to history Herod died 10 years before Quirinius became governor of syria. The Gospel of Luke claims (2.1-2) that Jesus was born during a census that we know from the historian Josephus took place after Herod the Great died, and after his successor, Archelaus, was deposed. But Matthew claims (2.1-3) that Jesus was born when Herod the Great was still alive--possibly two years before he died (2:7-16). Other elements of their stories also contradict each other. Since Josephus precisely dates the census to 6 A.D. and Herod's death to 4 B.C., and the sequence is indisputable, Luke and Matthew contradict each other. There are no evıdence that support the Noah's flood but there are SO many evıdence that show it never happened. NO documents out sıde the gospels to support any of their assertions and the gospels were written long after the events they narrated.

NO evidence to support the Exodus narratıve according to the bible. Egyptian records do not support any of the bible narratives. No archaeological evidence for ıt. More than a century of archaeological research has discovered nothing which could support the narrative elements of the book of Exodus.

Dishonesty is not allowed.

There are numerous evidences that support both line of the divide, just choose which of them u subscribe to.
 

If i noticed that people are finding it hard to know who I really am I will do what ever ıs in my power to make sure that they know me, talk-less of an a supposedly all powerful being that loves people and wants them to really get to know him. If there is a god he wıll not sit back and watch people fightıng and struggling to know his basic nature. He will reveal hımself in a  very clear way so that all humanıty to get to know him.

Again, this is not intelligent.

ur decision to reveal urself was at ur own discretion. why do u think that God should not use His own discretion in revealing Himself to those He chooses to?

There is no discernible difference between believing in god and having an imaginary friend. People generally rely on facts and evidence in every human endeavour except when it comes to god because the god hypothesis relies and depends only on fear.

This is an opinion, which though is false and unfortunate, I have no intention of refuting.

What exactly does god 'reveal' to you and how does that apply to your life and makes it dıfferent from mine? What exactly does god tell you in such 'revalations'.

why are u interested in knowing? these revelations are for personal consumption . . . . if they are for public consumption then I might share. . .until then.

After life prepared? Where is your evidence to show that there is an afterlife in the first place?

What is ur evidence to suggest that there is NO afterlife?

Bialegend:
Because the name Ojukwu instills fear on nigerians. The other two dreaded names by nigerians are IGBO and BIAFRA. Just mention either of these three names and watch nigerians start to panick. Cowards.

u must live and exist in DELUSION . . . , fear? fear of what? who is ojukwu in Nigeria's power game?

And u better stop playing the ethnic card that has continued to make the rest of Nigeria resent the igbos.

why is ojukwu still a subject of discourse?

u do have a point.

littleb:
@neotic2:
The prophecy is being fullfilled. Lets go through the hadeeth once again:

"Narrated `Abdullah bin `Amr bin Al−`As(rz): I heard Allah's Apostle (s.a.s) saying, "Allah does not take away the knowledge, by taking it away from (the hearts of) the people, but takes it away by the death of the religious learned men till when none of the (religious learned men) remains, people will take as their leaders ignorant persons who when consulted will give their verdict without knowledge. So they will go astray and will lead the people astray." (bukhari)"

Now, exercise patient to compare with another narration:

On the authority of Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said that the Companions were sitting with the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) when a Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and asked him about the exact date of the Hour. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) however proceeded with his speech to the audience. Some of the audience thought that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) heard what the man said but disliked his question and some others thought that he did not hear it. When the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) finished his talk, he said: "Where is the one who asked about the date of the Hour? The man informed him of his existence. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) then said: "If the trust is betrayed and neglected, then expect the coming of the Hour". The man further asked about the trust and how it can be wasted or betrayed. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: "When the matter is entrusted to those who are unqualified to implement its duties, then wait for the Hour"

Now I asked you a question; what is the cognate relation between the two bold statement?

The cognate of both haddith is irrelevant at this stage.

In the original haddith u stated that :

1. Religious knowledge will be taken away (by the death of Religious learned men).

and we both agreed that knowledge is transmitted by education . . . . . if the scholars die, would the knowledge they processed not have been transmitted to new scholars?

I believe that the prophecy in the haddith is very FALSE. we have both established that knowledge is transmittable by education, so by educating the next generation of scholars it is IMPOSSIBLE for religious knowledge to be taken away.

Analogy of seeking religious knowledge is similar to the way we learn from basic to high school. Knowledge is not about sitting down with one scholar, meaning when he dies there will be no continuation. The hadith is describing that people seeking for religious knowledge will reduced in number while the old knowledgible is diminishing via death.

Nope.

The haddith simply implied that the teachers who are scholars, will die and as such knowledge will diminish. But since we have both established that islamic knowledge is transmitted from old scholar to new scholars by education, it is IMOSSIBLE for such knowledge to diminish.

In the first paragraph of your response actually is the revelation of how people will transformed the falsehood to be truth which is also part of the sign of last hour. From what you and I belief, there are lot of prophecies regarding the signs of last hour and one of them is that people will prefer to embrace falsehood than truth. So, if people could not subscribe to Quran and Hadith, clearly means they embrace thier shelfish desires which is nothing but falsehood.

Secondly, the commands to kill or amputate is not accorded except for the offendants after all avenue to commits such crime has been blocked through provision. Who will steal when he/she is provided with daily needs. Who will commits murder once he knows he would be killed instead. There are criminal laws everywhere, not only in Islam. Will you tell me according to your bible if nobody has ever being killed on Gods order? Even under common laws, does people not being sentence to death? Why are you concern about Islamic laws? Why cant you challenge the common laws? Have you ever travel to any Islamic countries where Sharia is being used judiciously, have you ever imagine how peaceful they are, even with all these laws?

u did not answer my question. would my refusal to kill, amputate, behead, ostracise and annihilate people at the commandment of allah be regarded to as ignorance?

U stated that people's disregard for the Quran and Haddith is regarded to as ignorance and I have established here that this disregard is either as a result of not being a muslim or as a result discovering the real truth of Christ. How then can any of these be regarded as islamic ignorance? cos this disregard has been in existence ever since mohammed founded islam . . .  .as such the prophecy in my opinion is also INVALID.

I am not telling you lies. You only need to reflect on what you read and not transforming it.

Follow me on this hadith:
"We were on expedition with meassange of Allah(PBH) and did not have our wives with us, so we asked him,'Shuld we not castrate ourselves?' He forbade us to do so but permitted us to contract marraige with a woman up to a specified date, giving her a garment as a dower(mahr)"

Temporay marraige provide a solution to the dilemma in which both the weak and the strong found themselves as in the case of the above hadith. Lets recall that there was a gradual course in prohibiting alcohol as this evil was widespread and deeply rooted in the arabian time of ignorance. In the same manner, prophet Muhammd(PBH) adopted a course of gradulaism in the matter of sex, at first permitting temporary marraige as a step leading away from fornication and adultery and at the same time coming closer to the parmanent marraige relationship. He then prohibited it aboslutely, as has been reported by Ali as in the hadeeth you quoted and many other companions.

Al-Juhani said, "Before leaving Makkah the messange of Allah(PBH) prohibited temporary marraige" in another version of the hadith, there is prophet words: "Allah has made it haram untill the Day of Ressurection"
In contrary, only Ibn Abbas hold that temporary can still be permitted under adverse condition. However, when he later saw people engaging in it without necessity, he withdrew his oppinion, reverse it in totality.

@neotic: Can you furnish me with more proof other than what I have explained regarding temporary marraige as you think it is still permitted by Islam and who amongst the muslims sect projecting it as Halal?

Common littleb, it is good to be honest. is temporary marriage not what the sunni's call misyar?

Can you tell me your insinuation from this verse?

Here are my deductions from the verse.

1. Mohammed and subsequently allah condoned temporary marriages.
2. Mohammed probably allowed it for political correctness.
3. mohammed later disallowed it also for political correctness.
4. Sexual immorality of legendary status is prevalent in islam and an obvious disadvantage to the women folk.

Prophet Muhammad met the impurities on the part of arabian and left them as pure being with no fornication and adultery. In the whole continents, where and amongst which communities, religious do you have high sexual immoralities and its trends?

I believe that the haddith I produced established that mohammed encouraged this sexual impunity, as such this prophecy is also invalid.
Sexual immorality existed right under the nose of mohammed.

This is called dishonesty. . . . Do u know how many threads have been opened to address this violence issues in islam?

littleb:
@eina:

Can you furnish me some evidence of your accusations where the muslims are using violence to preach Islam? Probably you may get some reasonable response.

why cant u be honest for once? if u need evidences so bad, why not use google?

I'd like to commend u for taking up the challenge. Regardless of whether I agree with ur opinion/position or not, I believe that u have done well to boldly attempt to state ur case. I hold nothing against u or ur beliefs, provided u are not dogmatic about it and are open to objective disagreements that address the issues involved in ur beliefs.

toneyb:
Here is my the reason why I am an atheist.

1.There is no physical proof for god's existence. Religion relies on guilt, fear and outlandish promises to gain obedience.

2.Everything I used to think was god's doing, science has explained.

3.Men created all the gods according to their Image.

wouldnt it be nice if u explained further? These are simple statements, that holds no meaning or water within an intellectual context.

4. The bible is full of abuse, contradictions, and unscientific nonsense(noah flood, Adam and Eve story, stars fighting along side men in the sky, creation story. Story of Jesus.). It is also full of hatred, divisive culturally, unnecessary laws that create suffering, sexual subjugation of women, slavery, etc. etc. etc.Most religions have this problem since they originate from the violent stone age.  However, you could have a religion that has peaceful or 'nice' origins - but it still has nothing to do with it being true or false. The creation stories in the bible has been debunked by science.

I dont think u meant to state why u are not a christian. . . . . u meant to state why EXACTLY u are an atheist.  . . .wouldnt it be objective if u stick to that?

When, where, how was the creation story of the bible debunked by science? . . . . .without attempting to derail the thread, please open a thread to educate me on how science has done this.

5. There is absolute no way to test any claim made by the proponents of god no evidence to show that the god being talked about interacts with humanity. Miracles are fake, Unequivocal miracles do not occur and there is no evidence to show that god answers prayers. Prayer is totally subjective and cannot be shown to have any more efficacy than pure chance.(scientific researches have been conducted and they all showed that there was any difference between those that were prayed upon and those that were not prayed upon). If god exist then Christians should be healing the sick, raising the dead walking on water as Jesus said those that believe in him would.

I dont know how to interpret this that u have stated. should I see it as an opinion or as a fact. If its just a mere personal opinion then its fine, but if u are attempting to pass ANY of these as facts then u have goofed.

u Cannot prove that God does not interact with humanity . . . . I believe I addressed this in the OP.
u also cannot prove that miracles are fake . . . . .  How do u explain personal circumstances evidenced by numerous others.
And u seem not to understand the very essence of prayer or the recipient before u can assert that prayers are not answered. . . . .there are rules involved, its as simple as that.

u have stated no fact. . . . I will regard them as mere opinions. . . . .u are entitled to ur opinion.

6.The existence of evil(natural evil), and it was obvious that there isn't a God who cared.

can u attempt to explain further. This statement on its own makes little or no meaning.

7. No god has ever told people anything himself all we have are ancient writings from people that lived thousand of years before us telling other people that god told them to tell them what to do. Scripture contains too much that is vague, metaphorical and symbolic to be instructions from a divine being to humans. A perfect being would be expected to be able to communicate much better than that with out any confusion what so ever and most of the stories were transmitted from one generation to another through oral traditions.

This might make perfect sense within the atheist community but makes no sense within the intellectual community.

by the above u are simply trying to define the God concept and personality into ur preconceived mode of communication. . . . This is unacceptable. cos u could have also chosen not to reply to this thread, and u could also have chosen not to reply in English. The ultimate choice of communication and mode of communication was urs as a respondent and I think it is logically safe to state that such should also be left with God.

U also mentioned perfection . . .  , but sincerely I dont think u know the meaning of perfection . . . .please prove me wrong. . . .what is perfection?

8. The bible contains many failed prophecies, predictions and unfulfilled promises of god who is supposed to be an all powerful and all knowing deity an all knowing deity that makes false prediction or prophecies is impossible. The bible contains a lot of historical errors and events that never happened at all.( eg Infanticide ordered by king Herod when baby Jesus was born, the exodus, Noah's flood, most of the conquest in Joshua, most of the stories have no archaeological evidence at all).

No one asked why u are not a christian. . .  . .its all about why u are an atheist. u cannot lay the responsibilities of ur failure on the footstep of the other person.

About archaeological and historical evidences,
There are evidences abound that establishes the birth of Jesus, the flood of Noah and several other biblical stories, just like there are several other evidences that suggest contrary. It is up to each individual to deduce as appropriate and objectively as possible. So far, there is NO compelling evidence to suggest that Jesus is a fictional person.

9. Believers in god do not even agree on his basic nature at all. Too many sects all trying to tell people what god wants and how he should be worshipped, people of the same sects do not agree with each other, even though they believe in the same god. People just keep creating god to fit their own world view hence the endless disagreements over his basic nature. Everyone keeps changing the stories to fit to their likings, "Oh, i don't like hearing this, let's pretty it up and say it's a metaphor." yeah, what better time than to make up BS just to justify your god's actions?

U honestly dont have a point here.

u as toneyb are subject to several interpretations, misinterpretations, conceptions and misconceptions by several people from every nook and carny of this world. (I am assuming u are a notable person). It is therefore up to me to find out who u really are, what u believe in?, what u want? what u like and dislike? what u are up to? et all . . . .I believe that it is very unintelligent on my part to either discredit or disbelieve ur existence based on the misconception of Huxley, Pilgrim, Pastor AIO, olobowale et all about u. It is my personal and individual responsibility to find out who toneyb really is.

10. There is no discernible difference between believing in god and having an imaginary friend. People generally rely on facts and evidence in every human endeavour except when it comes to god.

can u explain further?

11. Every culture that has existed has had god myths and other superstitions. A good study into the history of christianity and how it started shows that there is nothing about it that is divine, its all man made. People sat down and decided to put the bible which people regards as the word of god through votes. people voted on it and decided to choose what was the word of god and what was to be banned and not included as the word of god. No evidence of a historical jesus as portrayed in the bible, no out side document to corroborate any of the gospel narratives about jesus.

This argument holds no water . . . .when juxtaposed with the personal relationship and revelations of everyday common christians like me about God. I will assume that this is just a personal opinion and not a fact.

12. No evidence for a soul and life after death. No evidence at all to show that human consciousness survives bodily death.

There is also no evidence to suggest that there is NO life after death. wouldnt it be better, going to the afterlife prepared?

Abuzola:
U can't believe that your ancestors just blindly follow christianity in the absence of the bible, right ? Me too i can't believe it. Yo welcome on board noetic

No. What I cant believe is that u could be so ignorantly deluded that u dont understand what u are saying.

u could not answer the simple question about why u are a muslim on the "WHY I AM NOT A MUSLIM" thread.
And here u cant explain what u understand by CHRISTIANITY . . , .now I understand why islam is all about jihad, beheading, suicide bombing, temporary marriages, war, killing and harrasment of defenceless people , . . . . there is no rationality in islam at all . . . .at least by what u have displayed so far.

Abuzola:
Noetic u are the ignoramus, did u see paradise that u believe in it ? So save ur stupiditx, i can't argte now with an atheist thats why i cut the crab

what paradise? the one with 72 virgins? me believe?

u must be dreaming.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=288935.msg4103683#msg4103683 date=1246219637]Have you seen the ''avenue data''?
Have you been to aso rock?[/quote]hahaha abeg leave abuz to his ignorance.