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crestedaguiyi:
What who is sayibg pls.

I cant spend my time listening to freeze,
He is a failure, he failed educationally, maritally and career wise. He is an all round failure.

If he marries again, the wife will still beat him up again for been stupid and idiotic

How exactly did the man fail educationally or career wise?... His career as a radio presenter and Mc, if he truly was a failure like you posit, none of us would have ever heard his name.

No need to compare fishes and oranges. They're 2 very different things, serving 2 different purposes.

When I want to gbedu and dance, it's Davido for me.

CodeTemplar:
Arguable but not relevant. It is a technique bigots often resort to.

A 'bigot' is actually someone who believes his interpretation is always right and that of others are wrong. When one begins to think his biblical interpretations are right and that of others is "perverted", despite the fact that both interpretations are based on biblical scripts, then you may need to actually re-examine yourself for traits of 'bigotry'.

CodeTemplar:
There is irrelevant fact except you wan to feign daftness. In the context of the a debate about tithe, I can decide to sample a fact about justice, and that will amount to an irrelevant fact. It is a fact but irrelevant to the discussion at hand(tithe)

What you term 'irrelevant' always ends up becoming subjective. What Mr A terms irrelevant may not be irrelevant in Mr B's interpretation. It then degenerates into the argument of who's right and who's wrong.

CodeTemplar:
His arguments are from scriptures but the induction from it are wrong. There is what is called irrelevant fact. Fact doesn't equate to rightful application of same(wisdom)

There no such thing as irrelevant fact from the bible. You're simply subscribing to the long held 'convenient' interpretation of 'men'. We seem to pick and choose the portions of scripture that suit us and then tag the rest 'irrelevant'? How convenient!

CodeTemplar:
lol.... he uses perverted logic.

Perverted logic from the bible, right?

lexy2014:
U haven't answered anything. Ur response above has nothing to do with d questions I asked.

So if u say I shouldn't "fall into the trap of thinking you're always right and others are wrong". let me ask u, do u think I am right and u are wrong? Or do u think u are right& I am wrong?

Ephesians 5 which u have been quoting said in verse 23 that "d husband is d head of d wife JUST AS Christ is d head of d church". If d husband/wife relationship is patterned after Christ/church relationship, did Christ submit to d church as u expect d husband to submit to his wife?

What does it mean to submit?

If you still cant comprehend the English grammar I spoke below, then au revoir! I'm out! You win!

obailala:
I've answered your question with every single post I've made. I have said "no one is right or wrong" about 3 times and I've said "the man is the head of the home" about 3 times. I'm now beginning to believe you aren't reading anything I write but just running back to reply.

Verse 21 says both should submit to each other, then verse 22 onwards makes it clear that the man still remains the head of the home nevertheless. You're obviously trying to discount the essence of verse 21, but No! it was placed there for a reason... Submitting to each other doesn't make the man subject to the woman, neither does it negate the man's authority as the head of the home as those verses emphasise. All those verse when read together simply means that whilst the man is the head, the woman shouldn't necessarily be disregarded. The reason verse 21 was included in there was obviously to checkmate the potential excesses of ruthless patriarchs.

lexy2014:
U still haven't answered d questions I asked:

So if u say I shouldn't "fall into the trap of thinking you're always right and others are wrong". let me ask u, do u think I am right and u are wrong? Or do u think u are right& I am wrong?

Ephesians 5 which u have been quoting said in verse 23 that "d husband is d head of d wife JUST AS Christ is d head of d church". If d husband/wife relationship is patterned after Christ/church relationship, did Christ submit to d church as u expect d husband to submit to his wife?

What does it mean to submit?

I've answered your question with every single post I've made. I have said "no one is right or wrong" about 3 times and I've said "the man is the head of the home" about 3 times. I'm now beginning to believe you aren't reading anything I write but just running back to reply.

Verse 21 says both should submit to each other, then verse 22 onwards makes it clear that the man still remains the head of the home nevertheless. You're obviously trying to discount the essence of verse 21, but No! it was placed there for a reason... Submitting to each other doesn't make the man subject to the woman, neither does it negate the man's authority as the head of the home as those verses emphasise. All those verse when read together simply means that whilst the man is the head, the woman shouldn't necessarily be disregarded. The reason verse 21 was included in there was obviously to checkmate the potential excesses of ruthless patriarchs.

lexy2014:
So if u say I shouldn't "fall into the trap of thinking you're always right and others are wrong". let me ask u, do u think I am right and u are wrong? Or do u think u are right& I am wrong?

Ephesians 5 which u have been quoting said in verse 23 that "d husband is d head of d wife JUST AS Christ is d head of d church". If d husband/wife relationship is patterned after Christ/church relationship, did Christ submit to d church as u expect d husband to submit to his wife?

In terms of screenshot with heading, let me share mine with u. Where does verse 21 fall into in my screenshot?

Ahaa! You see what I've been saying about no one being right or wrong? It's all about perspective. Your bible version titles the section beginning from verse 22 as "Husband and Wives", making it seem like the family instructions start from verse 22. But mine which I posted earlier starts the section at verse 21 and titles it "Instructions for Christian Households". Now you see why we have different views?

All in all, the message when read together is clear; the husband is the head of the home, but verse 21 makes it clear that the wife should also have a say and should not be disregarded.

lexy2014:
Your red arrow doesn't answer d questions I asked which are as follows:

Can u pls quote Ephesians 5:21 and show me d exact words that show that it was addressed to Christian households? Where did d issue of husband & wife begin in Ephesians 5?

If u say that d man is d head, who is he d head of d woman according to Ephesians 5?

D same Ephesians said d husband should love his wife as Christ loved d church. It also said that d husband is d head of d wife just as Christ is d head of d church. Did or does Christ submit to church?

The paragraph title (i.e. red arrow) refers to Christian households. First instruction following that title is "submit to one another". Who else makes up the household if not man and wife?. Or are you saying verse 21 refers to man and his children or his livestock (since you're sure wife only applies from verse 22)?

Meanwhile you lost me on your question about "who is the head of the woman". I already answered that in 2 of my responses to you that the man is the head of the home, the scriptures also makes that clear... So I'm not sure why you keep repeating it.

Anyway, you're free to have your own interpretation. But please don't fall into the trap of thinking you're always right and others are wrong.

lexy2014:
Can u pls quote Ephesians 5:21 and show me d exact words that show that it was addressed to Christian households? Where did d issue of husband & wife begin in Ephesians 5?

lexy2014:
If u say that d man is d head, who is he d head of according to Ephesians 5?

lexy2014:
D same Ephesians said d husband should love his wife as Christ loved d church. It also said that d husband is d head of d wife just as Christ is d head of d church. Did or does Christ submit to church?

I pasted a screenshot showing a title (Red Arrow) above verses 21 - 33. The title says "Instructions for Christian Households", and the first statement says "submit to one another". Subsequent statements also make it crystal clear who the head of the home is; there's no ambiguity in this, except some folks just love arguments. Besides, a man who really loves his wife would somehow still 'submit' to her wishes and not take her for granted.

I guess you're free to give that scripture any kind of interpretation you want to give it. But that the next man interprets it differently from you doesn't necessarily mean anyone is right or the other wrong.

lexy2014:
Who was verse 21 addressed to? Where did d issue of husband and wives start from in Ephesians 5?

Ephesians 5:21-33 was addressed to Christian households. The first instruction was "submit to one another".

Even though the rest of the verses establish the family hierarchy very clearly (i.e. the man being the head), the very first instruction for Christian households is for couples to submit to each other. I don't think there's any ambiguity in this message, maybe people just chose to argue about it just for the sake of argument; or maybe because a character like Daddy Freeze is the one who highlighted it, several people just feel a compulsion to complicate a simple scripture.

JorgedeToledo:
Freeze was saying that while women submit to their husbands, men should also submit to their wives. But this is not biblical.
The bible says that men should love their wives as Christ loved the church; while wives should submit to their husbands.

Freeze erred.

Freeze also quoted directly from the bible in plain English, no ambiguities. Except you're saying the authors of the bible made a mistake or are confused, I wonder what you mean by saying Freeze erred by merely quoting directly from the bible.

The popular scripture we all know and quote is Ephesians 5:22-24. But what about verse 21? Freeze only drew attention to verse 21 by saying submission should really go both ways; even though the message is still very clear that the husband is the head of the wife/house. We really need to start studying the bible ourselves, instead of waiting for pastoral or public interpretation. Also we need to learn to accommodate the views of others, else just risk being 'bigots' if we think our interpretation is always the 'right' one and others are wrong.

Everyone should stay at home...

Matrimonous:
You can imagine all the billions lost all those years as a result of Nigerians refusing to embrace positive change for a better tomorrow.

Well the reason is simple, Nigerians can't trust politicians. Imagine Nigerians tightening their belts and subjecting themselves to hardship for a better tomorrow, but politicians arent even attempting to do same. Just imagine with the current economic crisis caused by covid and low oil price and the hunger and despair in the land, I hear those bastards in the NASS paid themselves N20million and N15 million each as covid palliative. When Nigerians hear this, it becomes clear why no one is ready to tighten their belts.

Matrimonous:
We know that already. That has been the case since the time of Jonathan but Nigerians resisted because they were in a true democracy.
For that God brought Buhari upon them.

Since the time of OBJ.... But all Nigerians resisted and called OBJ names.

I guess the man had to be silenced before he mentions his govt sponsors. This was exactly how boko hatam violencr started; Mohammed Yusuf was caught and handcuffed live on tv. By evening we saw his dead body still in cuffs; excuse was that "he was killed in a gun battle whilst trying to escape" (typical Nigerian police language for extra judicial killings). Since then, it's been 11 years of continuous carnage by Yusuf's boys. Hopefully the same doesn't repeat itself with this one.

Awol1:
I agree with Freeze sometimes but he's wrong this time.

Wives' submission to their husbands is not only biblical but also cultural and traditional. And as much as we want to westernize, there are things we must never compromise.

Bastardization of our marriage institution will be the undoing of the African people. Freeze should not speak further on that.

Ben Akabueze was replying to a wrong message. Freeze NEVER said wives shouldn't submit to husbands.

Princedapace:
Oh, like there are no APC members who have been ruling the country from OBJ time and even before OBJ. U see bro, Im not one of those ur party ass lickers.

I give no f*ck about any politician becus they have all failed. I can never make an excuse for any useless politician. All of them have failed. Over 70 percent of them ruling this country today have ruled previously or have been in govt even before I was born. They have done nothing but mess up the country.

Like I said, my own submission is simple: this country needs to go back to what led to the civil war and fix those suggestions made in Ghana. If not, we will keep electing people who will only come and do nothing.

Yeah of course our leaders have failed us, but when people begin to craftily isolate it to one political party, then you're already guilty of taking sides, ass licking or politicising the problem. Several people on this forum have said the fuel subsidies being removed now should have been removed since 2012. But then, the narrative becomes twisted and ridiculous when majority making this comment then turn around to say APC was the reason subsidies weren't removed in 2012; how ridiculous can humans be? Every single fuel pump price increase since Nigerian history has been met by stiff opposition and rejection by Nigerian masses, yet the narrative has changed now to "APC stopped fuel subsidy removal"?

[quote author=sharpden post=93739461][/quote]And so?... how does that make the statement by Garba a lie as you claim? Has the argument now shifted? Smh!

Princedapace:
But GEJ wanted to remove subsidy and ur team refused and rejected it! What happened?

Also, refineries mentioned in those countries were built by state owned companies like our own NNPC!

And if u av given all these excuses which means there was no need electing Buhari becus according to u, pdp made it impossible to fix, so why did Buhari contest for a position he has no solution for?

Like you did not also reject pump price increase in 2012. Funny how everyone now claims it was only APC heirachy that resisted pump price increase in 2012. All Nigerians including yourself embraced the increase in fuel price from N65-N142 with a huge smile, while APC scoundrels were the only ones who spoke against it.

Meanwhile what about during OBJ days when he tried severally to remove subsidy? I guess it was also APC leaning Nigerians ONLY that insulted OBJ for incessant increase in fuel prices?

egoldman:
Nigerians don't need blames, they are tired of it, they need action and results, if APC should lose the next election, the next government would start blaming APC for its shortcomings and vice versa.

What Nigeria needs is whoever thay finds himself in the government to do his bit or his best with whatever that is available to him, this much we will appreciate.

The first 4 years of Buhari was used in blaming and telling us how bad PDP was which we already know.

And in this their second term instead of improving the bad situation they inherited, they kept blaming again and Nigerians are suffering, they are not improving our lot bro, why do you think Nigerians make this statement "Bring Back our Corruption"

It's because they can't see the difference between this government and the previous one.

I only explained the reason behind the blames for you, I didnt endorse it.... Its up to you to comprehend this or not.... When the pot wakes up one morning and begins to call the kettle black, it's only naturally expected for the accused to respond by also pointing fingers. When PDP agents stupidly accuse Buhari of sabotaging refineries since he came to power, it's only natural for him to remind them of their foolishness. You can call it 'blame game' for all you like, it's just human behaviour.

egoldman:
It's true that they were not working when Buhari took over, the question is what has Buhari done about the refineries since he took over? The answer is blames and more blames, do you now see where sane Nigerians have issues with Buhari? He only blames and has failed to do his bit.

Someone (an adult) just came out in public and blamed Buhari for Nigeria's non-functional refineries, claiming the refineries apparently stopped working in 2015 because of Buhari and you are asking why APC/Buhari is responding by firing back? When people make such stupid claims against you, what would you do? If the people quit making such stupid claims, I'm sure APC/buhari wouldn't even remember to mention their names or blame anyone.

MISTAICEY02288:
Neither of them is an achievement.... But the Bottom line is, Niger is a country who just started oil production and it's a slap on Nigerians face that presently, such country can end up selling crude oil to us..

And as for your second comment, how about you take a look at this screenshot. Nigeria debt rose with about 85% between 2015 and 2018... And the debts have even increased way further in this 2020 now... Stop defending incompetence and mediocrity

Oga, I'm wasn't trying to defend incompetence and neither was I defending mediocrity; I never said the govt was doing anything right. But I just get sick and tired of seeing people throwing either sensational and/or outright false information about as facts and making less than logical comparisons.

Whilst the figures on debt you posted are true, the figures I posted are also true. Nigeria's debt in (dollars) in June 2015 was $63.8bn. In March 2020 (most recent figures), it was about ~$79.8bn. Of course your figures aren't wrong, they were just quoted in Naira terms and factoring the change in exchange rate within the time interval, it almost triples the figures.

Now you might call this part 'defending' but the fact is that borrowing in the last few years since 2015 has been inevitable considering the huge drop in revenue; the question is, why were we borrowing (and accruing up to $63.8bn debt) before 2015? I ask this question whenever people make it seem like our current debt mess was caused only by the current admin.

sharpden:
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So you didn't see where he said people should not be deceived by the PDP which, according to him, sold petrol at N600?

And so?... Was it not under PDP days that people sometimes had to buy fuel for black market price of N600? Where is the lie there? With the official prices known by all, even a child wouldn't need special explanation to know that the N600 referred to there was black market prices during scarcity. But here we are, adults celebrating their poor understanding of English...

MISTAICEY02288:
A big resounding AMEN to this... I can confidently say AMEN because we all know who has drawn us back as a nation here...

Maybe I should ask you some few questions so you can have a clue in who has drawn us back..

1. How much was the total debts Nigeria owed before Buhari came into power and how much is it now?
2. How much was a bag of rice before Buhari came into power and how much is it now?
3. How much was a liter of fuel sold then and how much is it sold for now?
4. How much were we paying for electricity and how much are we paying now?
5. Was Niger who just started making Crude oil exporting oil to Nigeria during Jonathan's Era like what is happening now?
6. Which Government values terrorists and grants amnesty to captured terrorists?
7. What was the dollar to Naira exchange rate then compared to now?

Yes I agree with you that it shall never be well with whoever is dragging this nation backwards alongside their supporters regardless the party where they belong...

Just passing and saw this... Not sure how Nigeria importing petrol from say, Spain sounds like an achievement to you when compared with importing from Niger... and Nigeria's total debt in 2015 June was $63.8bn; now it is ~$80bn.

Sunnycliff:
APC killed Nigeria finally. As long as crude keeps rising in international markets we will keep buying at a higher price. Any day, oil gets to 80$, we will be buying fuel at #350/l.

We are simply worse off, since the refinery have been a bottomless sinking fund hole since 2015

ApC killed Nigeria? Refineries became fund sinking hole in 2015?.... Oh yes I remember, Nigeria's refineries were working in 100% capacity before 2015 when APC came and destroyed them all. No wonder Nigeria spent N8trillion in subsidising imported petrol between 2006 and 2015. #Iberiberism!

Racoon:
What do we expect when the leadership of our nation is even borrowing grains from ECOWAS food bank whose previous court pronouncements they said is not binding on it.This is what happens when your have a band of incompetent buck passing people administering the affair of a complex nation like ours on lies & false promises.

Buhari was NNPC first pioneer chair hence should be able know better how this critical petroleum sector works
Having promised but failed as usual to provided the new refineries yearly within his first tenure.

Today NNPC is a cesspool of unending wastage and corruption.Subsidy is no more fraud to him.The only 3 old refineries are not functioning @ optimal capacity while Algeria have 13 new ones.Now Niger our younger neighbour have further pushed us down as the into the league of fourth world nations.Sleeping ant of African.Tueh!

Lol... as expected, this one has heaped the blame of failed refineries on buhari. The 4 refineries were obviously working on 200% capacity before buhari came in 2015 and crashed them. #Iberiberism

Maxymilliano:
Garba Sheu just shot himself in the foot and unknowingly exposed the folly of this devilish government.

Bastards!

This thread is actually exposing the folly of some people. Even imbeciles know the N600 was referring to black market price and it wasnt specific to any particular date; it's just what happened whenever there was acute shortage. But I can see how certain people are rejoicing over a meaningless fact check.

sharpden:
Source: https://todaypoliticsng.com/fact-check-garba-shehus-claim-of-petrol-sold-for-n600-in-2013-inaccurate/

This has to be the dumbest and most unnecessary fact check ever.

Of course even a cretin knows the N600 was black market price during scarcity and there's not a way in the world Garba or anyone else would have meant it was official price.

ogododo:
This could have been done in 2012, but na hatred una sabi

@Ogododo, can you swear on your life and the life of your kids (born or unborn) that you supported the fuel subsidy removal in January 2012 when pump price jumped from N65 to N142?

Let's even assume you remotely supported the price increase in 2012, what about 2005? Why only in 2012? OBJ also tried stopping fuel subsidy several times (including a week to his handover to Yaradua) but Nigerians rejected it with venom and labelled him all sorts of nasty names for increasing fuel price. That's how we all got to even know the man called Adams Oshiomole cos he was like a national HERO then, always leading the NLC on industrial actions agains fuel price increase and frusyrating OBJ.

Amazing how everyone today now claims they supported subsidy removal and the N65-N142 pump price increase in 2012, but ApC supporters resisted and thwarted it. In fact, anyone who complained of fuel price increase in 2012 was just a hater of GEJ.. There's no madness we wouldn't see in this forum.

LadySarah:
https://punchng.com/oil-marketers-

Huh? what's this? What has what you posted from 2016 got to do with the topic? I even though you were serious.