₦airaland Forum

IgweBUIKE1:
your logic is wrong ...this scamdemic is going to pass... there's definitely covid buh mehn naiha version is riddled with corruption...of you like believe it or not

Okay... your point is noted.

IgweBUIKE1:
nobody dance when they are sick...even the small typhoid I had ...my body know how far..all this one on nairaland forming govt advocate or over intelligent illiterate,watch CNN and see real isolation centre

Flairoqy:
Real covid-19 patients are prone to have issues with breathing, best believe they're supposed to be laid faced down to enable free flow of air into their lungs (there's medical explanation for what I'm trying to imply). So patients dancing means they've fully recovered from the illness or are not ill at all. At least 40% of Nigerians are not illiterates

Do you guys realise you can have malaria parasites swimming in your blood stream for years without you ever falling sick?... Do you realise a person can be a carrier of HIV for years and be able to infect people, but they themselves will never fall ill for once?

Or are you guys one of those that would willing screw a prostitute without protection because she isnt ill and doesnt 'look' or behave like someone with a virus? Afterall the 'literate' logic is that "real HIV carriers must be down with AIDS and look emaciated"

Are you guys aware that well over 50% of corona carriers dont show any symptoms, or show only mild symptoms right till the virus clears from their system? If you have the internet to type on Nairaland, what really stops you from using that data for a simple google research?

@Flairoqy, you're right actually, 40% of Nigerians are not illiterate; but your above logic doesnt exactly make you sound like you belong to that 40%, no offense.

But this should be obvious to anyone with common sense. But like they say, brain is scarce in Nigeria. After all I've seen several people dive raw into prostitutes with the justification that "she doesnt look like she carries a disease".

What's wrong with those pictures?

Dottore:
Oga English Scholar, you mentioned the flaws of many others I now asked if you have seen Odumeje commit any of such flaws. Kindly answer the question and forget your Grammer.

Bros abeg make we leave matters for Matthias.... No need for plenty talk about that egede man. I was giving an analogy before and only used those things just as examples. Even if I did mention anything about the Lion, it wouldnt stop his church from being full. So no need!

rowland545:
which report said she tests positive.... U r no more more practising stupidity... You've graduated to an idiot

I'm sorry I assumed all long that I was conversing with a sane human, but now I know I was engaging a raving lunatic who believes that infusing insults in every sentence makes him look 'intelligent'.

There're several reports on which have highlighted she is still testing positive; even the recent report from yesterday when she was released said though she still tests positive, she is being allowed to go home and advised to continue isolating at home. This is the video shared yesterday of the woman saying it herself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97YI1aieCPA

How silly I was to expect sound reasoning from a mental patient? Keep throwing insults instead of learning to engage in normal convo... One day your insults will make you smart, or maybe not.

greenhulk:
I just weak. See as far as I'm concerned NCDC might lying about the numbers (unconfirmed), but this thing is real and it is in Nigeria. Abba kyari would have been saved if it was possible to. J[b]ust because we have been seeing a lot of mild cases with little or no symptoms doesn't mean we should joke with this.[/b] So far our death rate is not even encouraging compared to some other African countries.

From what I've learnt on this forum and from other Nigerian social blogs, a large number of Nigerians have no clue that covid19 patients can sometime (or infact most times) have little or no symptoms. A lot of people think covid19 patients must always be in critical condition. I've received uncountable insults for even trying to explain this to some folks.

rowland545:
it seems u r practising how to be stupid....I said 14 days for isolation... After which d result should determine her case which is normal everywhere....

Ohk keeping her for more than 50 days what will it achieve Try and read and understand b4 quoting

You agree the woman shouldnt be released if she still tests positive after 14 days. Now the report says she still tests positive after 54 days, yet you're asking why she's not been released? Are you really sure you're okay? I'm sorry I'm not practising to be you.

People can choose to call Uzodimma whatever they want to call him. At the end, it doesnt change the fact that he's the governor.

rowland545:
were did u see were I said if she is positive she should be allowed to go home People and stupidity

Go back and read your comment... You stated rightly that 14 days is the standard period of quarantine and inferred that the woman should have been released a long time ago. But the report you read says the woman still tested positive even after 54 days. That's why I asked you that question, "should a person who still tests positive be discharged simply because 'standard' 14 days quarantine period has elapsed?" If this is what you call a stupid question, then you really need to examine yourself.

IFNOTGOD:
ok now I get u, on d politics issue sorry for calling u BMC crew n d insult, dat I apologise but if u don't want anyone to insult u den don't throw insult first.

again u have Ur view based on what u believe on dis covid 19 n I have my view also so u can't more like impose Ur view on me.

dis is a case of d no. 6, I see it as 9 n u see it as 6 based on Ur view angle.

now I am not saying covid 19 is not in nja but d fact is dat too many stories makes one no to believe d nja no.s n u can't blame us for dat.

now take d Chinese guys who came to nja n see d story making d rounds counter stories n all of f dem speaking differently now how do u now trust d figures been given out.

I apologise also for repeatedly using the word 'ignorant', it's not the nicest thing to say. My problem is that I just get irritated when I see people arguing that covid19 in Nigeria is fake because they see healthy looking people in isolation centres; even some influential persons mocked the sickness saying it was simple malaria because patients were administered malaria drugs. No doubt, Nigerian politicians never fail to take advantage of looting opportunities like these, but is the insincerity of government really a reason we should downplay the potential severity of a pandemic?

Talking about people not showing symptoms, I live in the UK where the virus is on a rampage. Unlike Nigeria, where people who test positive are locked up in isolation centres, the UK approach requires people who test positive to self-isolate at home. I know a couple of people (Nigerians here in the UK) who have tested positive, and recovered (i.e. tested negative); several of these people either didn't suffer any symptoms, or had only mild symptoms of which they didn't even have to go to the hospital. (they actually weren't permitted to go to the hospital because their cases/symptoms were deemed 'mild'). I'm sure if these ones were in Nigeria, we would have termed their cases 'fake' too because they didnt get into ICU.

Anyway like I said, everyone's entitled to believe what they want.

IFNOTGOD:
like I said I made a mistake replying a goat like u
it is only in Nigeria it likes will say dey don't show symptoms, is d covid 19 in western countries diff frm d one in Nigeria or u just like to b stupid.

if in ur country Nigeria dey don't show symptoms by Ur write den it shows d disease is not contagious or deadly.

u BMC members are quick to insult people without making sense in ur post now go back to Ur post n reread what u wrote.

I mentioned Seyi Makinde not PDP or apc so I don't see politics in my comment u are just a deluded fellow, who has to insult odas just to drive some silly arguement which dey possibly know nothing about.



let me ask u is d nature of covid 19 like malaria dat dey go to isolation centres n dey suddenly get healed.

u just rick of stupidity in d explanation u just gave, while d ones in western countries are in d hospitals on ventilators n all manner of drugs d ones in ur country are protesting n dancing.

oga stop talking rubbish nobody is arguing dat people don't recover from d illness.

just try n get a life

use ur data to educate ursef before quoting people cos u actually lack sense just like d normal BMC crew member

If you're still too dull to see where you brought politics into this then I'll show you --
We were talking about covid19; the percentage of people who show symptoms and those who are asymptomatic, a purely scientific discussion. I directed you to make a simple google search to personally educate yourself on the percentages I gave (since you claimed my links weren't genuine) and then you returned with a demeaning response yelling BMC BMC! And saying I wasn't worth a response. Now you're feigning ignorance of how you brought politics and insults into this? What exactly has BMC or wailers got to do with our otherwise scientific discussion?

Your argument basically is that those in Nigerian isolation centres who look healthy cannot possibly be positive for the corona virus because true covid19 patients must be in critical condition in ICU, struggling to breathe?.... and of course I'm an idiot (and BMC) because I tell you your above perception is wrong?

I'll repeat myself one last time, not for you but for
others (sensible humans) who may read this post. A lot of covid19 patients, a large majority actually show no symptoms or show only mild symptoms till the end of their tenures. Only a tiny fraction get to critical stages which you see on TV where theyreyou see them in ventilators in the IDifferent countries have different approaches. In Nigeria, people who test positive are taken to isolation centres primarily to ensure they dont go about infecting others. That a person tests positive for corona virus and is in an isolation centre, it doesnt mean the person must be showing symptoms or must be critical all the time. That's why you see videos of patients in isolation centres looking healthy, eating and dancing.

Other countries have different approaches; in the UK for instance, majority of covid19 patients don't step into the hospital except for when they go for their tests. People who are diagnosed positive are asked to isolate at home and will only be brought to the hospital if their case gets critical. A large majority of cases do not get critical, the patients sit in their homes 'dancing and eating' healthily until they get better.

But finally, if sharing this basic information by any means makes me an idiot in your eyes, then feel free to choose what you want to believe. The world knows who the idiot is.

IFNOTGOD:
sorry u d ignorant one here, like I said shut actually don't respond to BMC crew n what testimony are u talking about, is it d protest in Gombe or Katsina or d several video showing unoccupied n empty isolation centre with people dancing n eating?

d case from Benue lends credence to Ur fake figures, d one from Warri said she is not positive n anoda said he was never positive.

for Oda countries, we have seen evidence of covid 19, same way Seyi Makinde suddenly became well from covid 19 after three days.

now tell me d medical practitioners In nja dat has come out to give details of d covid 19?

u people just keep decieving ursef, dat is how Ur govt shared 5bn In two days till date no record

guy see I no dey like silly arguement.

You must be very dumb to even think of bringing politics into this; that explains why your thinking faculty is faulty. You're one of those whose brains have been ruined by political sentiments so you only see things from the myopic prism of apc vs pdp politics and believe you must drag politics into everything...

You're wondering why people in isolation centres in Nigeria are eating and dancing or why Seyi Makinde recovered so soon. But I just told you that well over 50% of those infected either do not show any symptoms or show very mild symptoms. When they say the virus is deadly, it doesn't automatically mean it must put down or kill every infected person. If you spend the data you're blasting here on Nairaland to do a little research, you will realise that over 95% survive the illness. In the UK for instance, the majority of the people who test positive do not even have to go to a hospital; they're asked to isolate at home. Carriers are taken to the hospital only if their symptoms become severe or their case critical.

Anyway, how silly can I possibly be to expect you to even comprehend this?... Please ignore all I've written above, there's no covid in Nigeria, all na scam. It's just malaria.

IFNOTGOD:
d reasoning are maybe grown from ur village, if Ur govt has been truthful no one will doubt the existence of the virus in nja, u are quick to put link there from ur Google dat 78% dont show symptoms, did u also read were it was said dat d virus can be transmitted tru fart? when u are putting on boxers n a trouser how will d virus go tru it? cos it was posted in a medical journal does not make it real except it has been subjected to series of test same way d chloroquine n Oda drugs are not a major cure to d virus

on dis covid 19 lot of articles have been written on it n dat doesn't in anyway give credence to d link u just posted, it is well noted dat d virus has 2 to 14 days incubation period so does it mean dat if u have contact with d victim today by tomorrow u begin to show signs

d whites dash u theories u believe dem, it is ur likes dat still insist d drug from Madagascar is not real cos who says so.

my friend grow up, malaria stays in an individual body for long before a little thing triggers it n dem d person begins to feel impact, dey said d virus is highly contagious n suddenly u guys are coming up with d d 50% are asymptomatic my friend if it is so den d virus is not deadly.

70% are asymptomatic now ask ursef y d western world has a high case of infection or death close to 300k death. for Ur info a large proportion of those dying in New York are blacks before u say it doesn't affect blacks.

stop decieving ursef with d asymptomatic rubbish, are we talking of malaria or a disease dat is said to b deadly?

actually didn't know u one of d BMC crew member wouldn't have dignified u with a response cos u just like Ur govt are clueless

So because your govt deceived you, you chose to embrace ignorance?... Did the government also restrict you from personally educating yourself on the global issue?

Abeg I'm not here to argue on any irrelevant nonsense, there are over a thousand news reports, journals and educative articles online on the subject matter; there's also first hand testimonials from both infected people and medical practices. If you cant research and educate yourself, but want to keep whining about govt, then by all means, suit yourself and embrace your ignorance.

Reference:
Which drugs?. Haven't you heard that there are no drug discoveries to treat Covid 19 directly or are you from Neptune.?

What they treat are the symptoms of the virus which manifests differently in different people. For some the symptoms are a fever, others breathing problems, while in others it may be inflamation.

If you don't have any symptoms then you are kept there to avoid infecting others, spreading the virus, which is trying to correct the mistake the goverment made early on when it insisted on self quarantine which did not work. That is why the place of detention it is called an 'Isolation Centre'.

In the western world there are no isolation centres just hospitals to treat patients who have exhibited symptoms. There even if you are positive you are advised to stay at home in self isolation until you become unwell or get better.

Here once you are positive you are picked up and taken to the IC whether you have symptoms or not. Our system is different.

What is so hard for Nigerians to understand in this.

Common sense isn't common in Nigeria, so you can't expect everyone to know this. I must confess though, the sheer number of people exhibiting this ignorance is beyond my expectation. Even big influential persons with large followings aren't left out (e.g. pastors, politicians), and these guys have further confused millions with careless utterances.

akan102:
How did they know she was positive? if truly she was positive why didn't they give her drugs?
And if she is still positive after close to 2 months why did they let her go?
Seriously I don't seem to be understanding again

Hmm... I didnt know covid19 now has a drug.

greenhulk:
It she's still positive then she was probably asked to go and isolate herself. This virus can be funny sometimes and her case is not the first. Juventus player Paulo dybala tested positive 4 times to this virus in 6 weeks. He was positive for almost 2 months. Tested positive on 21st March and then finally negative on 6th May He was never sick so was isolated at home. He just tested negative recently.

Going by the wisdom of many Nigerians, Italian CDC must have made mega bucks from the Dybala scam test.

xeju:
I know some of una nor get sense but it's important una go borrow sense. if she's infected or not, coming from country with high infection rate warrants quarantine against your wish. and most asymptomatic covid 19 patients will always want to claim they aren't infected. I think most you lack simple scientific knowledge. l bet some of you shouting scamdemic don't even know what the issue is, just following crowd. l bet also that some of you don't know the difference between isolation, quarantine and treatment centres.

One doesn't even need scientific knowledge to figure this; all that's needed is common sense. But it's amazing how uncommon common sense is these days. A lot of people still have no grasp of what it means for a patient to be asymptomatic; they think every covid patient must be struggling to breath.

IFNOTGOD:
try to always read before u counter other people's opinion, try to browse about d case before u mention me.

she has sued Benue state govt n ask dem to provide her result which dey did not n in ur sense of all sense where have u head dat an infected person stayed for 54 days without drugs or help?

u people are quick to quote d some people do not show symptoms do u even understand what d covid 19 is all about?

it is highly contagious n there is nothing like 50% does not show symptoms, it is only in nja u guys brought out Ur own 50% don't show symptoms, can u show me an article outside d nja govt quote dat says 50% don't show symptoms.

your comment just shows u have not been following dis lady's case but jump into conclusion.

try to read about her story den come back n reply me

You have the internet to type this but couldn't use the same internet to do the most basic google search. More than 50% of covid19 patients either show no symptoms, or have very mild symptoms. The number should even be far higher but people who experience no symptoms are less likely to go for tests, so they wouldn't even know they have the virus.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-what-proportion-are-asymptomatic/
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2020/almost-75-people-board-diamond-princess-covid-19-may-have-been-asymptomatic
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-bmj-study-suggests-78-dont-show-symptoms-heres-what-that-could-mean-135732

I've seen a lot of Nigerians displaying similar ignorance. There's this picture comparison being circulated showing a foreign covid19 patient in ICU vs. a Nigerian covid19 patient eating; argument being that the Nigerian patients aren't truly infected cos they aren't in critical state. Where do people even grow this kind of reasoning from?

rowland545:
This ncdc are giving doubting Thomas more reason to reason to believe this thing is a scam...


Y keep someone for that long ...nah leprosy she get Is 14 days no longer d normal days for quarantine or has it changed...

SO after 14 days, if her test still shows positive, she should be allowed to go out and infect her family and others. THe way we reason in this country though...

Dottore:
How many of the things you mentioned has he done?

Huh?
Are we sure this fellow comprehends English language? Did I say he did any of those?

Heathrow44:
Dat answers ur question clearly! I don't see y this doesn't quote & unquote do justice t d question u asked.....

So let me get this straight, some Chinese folks come into Nigeria on a visa, and of all the problems bedevilling Nigeria, your most important concern is whereabouts of Chinese people?

You said I'm poor because I dont ask questions; I'd be thrilled to see how this your pointless curiosity has added a cup of garri to your bowl.

Heathrow44:
Ok, of wat benefit is knowing the type of people that enter d country thru d border is t u?

Is that the answer to my question?

Heathrow44:
Do u knw y u re poor & jobless cos u don't ask questions

By all possible definitions of the word, I'm not poor, I'm not jobless, and I don't ask or encumber myself with silly questions. On the flip side, you yourself are poor because you expend your lifetime asking worthless and irrelevant questions.

I ask you again, of what benefit is the whereabouts of Chinese doctors to me or to you? You still haven't been able to answer this question because the answer is obvious.

Heathrow44:
Is like u re living in a cave, is obvious ur govt lied t u abuh d Chinese doctors rather than demand that the govt be probed & d perpetrators caught & made t face d law, u re busy talking crap, no wonder they take us all as bunch of stupid people!!

No I dont live in a cave; I also don't have time to dwell on irrelevance or lose sleep over nonsense like you and most Nigeruans. There are a multitude of better things to think about.

The whereabouts of those Chinese doctors or engineers (or whatever they are), please tell me, of what benefit is their whereabouts to you, to me, to the generality of Nigerians, or to the multitude of you guys masturbating all over the place asking about them? Are they owing you money? Are they owing Nigeria money? Did the govt spend public funds in bringing them to Nigeria? Why are you losing sleep over the whereabouts of people who you have no business with? Isnt that evidence of joblessness?

Nigerians have an irredeemable penchant for chasing irrelevance. Of all the pressing issues in the country today, why exactly should the whereabouts of Chinese doctors be anyone's concern? What exactly is the obsession with the Chinese doctors? Are they owing us money? or did Nigeria pay them money for anything?

seguno2:
Like millions of Nigerians, made extremely poor by Buhari’s incompetence

I feel pity for the man Shehu. So after receiving over a billion in salaries and allowances as a senator, buhari made him poor and depressed within months of leaving the chambers? That sufficiently explains why he's been making incoherent or childish tweets lately, unleashing vitriol against anything govt (which he was a part of until recently)

This Shehu Sani guy seems to be depressed.

MoIbrahim:
See Take Home Pay Of A Professor After IPPIS

These people have made up their minds to completely destroy the public university system.

Is this what a professors takes home in the universities that their own children do attend?

342k per month (less than $1,000) after about 20 years in service, and so many promotions.

This is just the end of the public university in Nigeria.

Note: 4th column says "gross", and gross means total including all allowances.

What exactly was the monthly Gross Pay and monthly Net Pay (after deductions) of a professor before the IPPIS?

This information is vital for one to understand the context of the IPPIS outcry.

Lol... Africans need to take mental health more seriously.

adontcare:
God is not mocked. What a man/ woman sow, that they will reap. Ask ur mum and dad what they did wrong. There must be something evil they had done that is affecting ur 42 yr brother. The bible said, train up a child in d way that he should grow and when he is old he will not depart from it. They where sparing the rod on him and now spoilt

This has to be the most ignorant trash I've read in a long time.

Mayeldah:
Whether the idea was Bubu's or Farouq the fact remains that is not what we need most now. Buhari still reason like an analogue old school administrator. N13B can build 26 factories across the 36 states which will hire some of the parents. If the parents are empowered why do we need to feed the students?

How are the schools going to distribute the food?

How many of these Govt schools have detail addresses of their students?

If this money is budgted to find a herbal cure for the COVID-19 in Nigeria, I believe our experts in herbal drugs will come up with a cure.

APC and Buhari are just being foolish I swear!

A multitude of people have been criticising the govt in the last weeks saying it called for a lockdown without feeding the hungry at home.

Now the govt has started a scheme to at least feed school kids at home. But the very same set of people who criticised the govt just weeks ago are now the ones saying the govt is foolish for feeding people; that the money should be used to build factory and/or find covid19 cure.

The psychology of Nigerians is a PhD subject on its own.

Cc: Nfora