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Erediauwa:
We shouldn't also turn blind eyes to some societal ills all because we're tackling Covid-19.

What's the ill in taking a random picture online to illustrate the arrival of your baby?.... if she had used the baby's face and called it hers, then it would have been different. Nigerians are just glued to social media desperately looking for any person to attack and pull down, more preferably popular people (cos that brings greater attention).

shamsin6300:
Kasala don't burst.
I luv her mature reply thus.

An absolutely mature response to the immature attention seeking lady.

dannex4adx:
You don't know what you are saying. Nigerian doctors have been able to treat infected patients with this pandemic and they are doing quite well. You are part of those with inferiority complex because you can't think and handle issues on your own. How many African countries sought the help of China in this outbreak. you are one of the problems of this country.

There's nothing demeaning in seeking advice from the people who have the most experience in dealing with this particular disease. Countries far more developed than Nigeria are doing same. It may not have been necessary for them to be flown over, but Nigerians should chill; this shouldnt be an ego contest.

eni4real:
Exponentially?? Are we talking about South Africa or Egypt..??

What is the fatality rate in Nigeria ?

Nigeria have better fatality rate than China..?
I think you are the one with low self esteem here...

These Chinese are not coming with Vaccines.

If you want to learn anything from them, Teleconference is enough to seek advice..

Bringing them here reeks of low self-esteem by this Government whose President prefer medical Tourism than developing his own Country's health System!!!

Now that they can't travel, they have to import Doctors from China..

Low Mentality Government with slavery mentality fanatics!!!

Your last statement is ridiculous tho!!!
This is 2020!!!

Only fellows with esteem issues think it would be degrading to seek advice or help.

Oh yes, Nigeria has a small number of cases, but so did the UK and US just 3 weeks ago. Just over 3 weeks ago, the US had less than 500 cases; today the US has over 420,000 cases. It will be silly for us to wait till we have 420k cases before we start acting.

hammer0:
A SENSIBLE YORUBA MAN. GOD BLESS U BRO.

PEOPLE LIKE U WILL ALWAYS BE SHOUTED DOWN BY EVIL ONES SUCH AS THE MONIKER BENEATH ME.(OBAILALA)

JUST KEEP SAYING THE TRUTH BECOS THE TRUTH IS ALL THAT MATTERS.


NO WONDER THIS SENSELESS YORUBA MAN BELOW ATTACKED HIM.

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You talk repeatedly about the word 'sensible' as if you would know what it looked like even if it was rubbed in your face.

First of all, what brought tribe into the conversation between me and @eni4real? Bringing tribe into an absolutely unrelated topic is the first evidence of your foolishness.

Second evidence of your stupidity is senselessly labelling me 'yoruba' simply cos I said there's nothing wrong in seeking help/advice from chinese doctors.

eni4real:
Met with 'new' Challenge?? Since when??

Have they eliminated Coronavirus in their Country??

What is the role of WHO??

Are your China experts coming with Vaccine??

eni4real:
Are they xing with Vaccine?? Abeg take your inferior complex away!!!

They have higher fatality rate in their Country compared to Nigeria!!

Presently, Coronavirus has not been eliminated in thier Country!!!

What is all the Overhype about??

I am sure they came for those Politicians who are unable to travel abroad and get treated by foreign masters!!!

Failed Nation!!

Inferiority complex might just be the reason you're fighting the truth. Whether they've eliminated it or not, the fact remains that they've succeeded in slowing the spread and flattening their new infections curve (something which many countries are still struggling to achieve). They've suffered from it the longest and they have the widest range of experience in dealing with it. That experience explains why greater developed countries like the US, UK, Italy, France etc are seeking help and advice from China, but a citizen of a shithole country thinks it's demeaning or degrading for his country to seek advice from China? Or probably you want us to wait till our number of cases rises exponentially before we do something right?

I wouldnt be surprised if you're one of those spreading whatsapp messages that gsm mast is the source of corona virus.

eni4real:
Oga the Coronavirus started from them!!

Stop all these Overhype!!!

Overhype? What is the hype?

Whether it started with them, or it started from them, or whether it ended with them, the fact truth remains that they are the most experienced in dealing with it. And the most sensible thing to do is to ask questions from more experienced people when you are met with a new challenge.

eni4real:
Are they xing with Vaccine?? Abeg take your inferior complex away!!!

They have higher fatality rate in their Country compared to Nigeria!!

Presently, Coronavirus has not been eliminated in thier Country!!!

What is all the Overhype about??

I am sure they came for those Politicians who are unable to travel abroad and get treated by foreign masters!!!

Failed Nation!!

Inferiority complex might just be the reason you're fighting the truth.

dannex4adx:
so you mean Nigeria cannot handle her own problems by herself without the help of other countries. This is one of the reasons slave trade cannot stop in Africa until we learn to solve our own problems by ourselves without depending on other countries.

China happens to be the country with the most experience in dealing with this pandemic and countries all over the world, including far more developed countries than Nigeria have been seeking help from China in knowledge sharing, medicine, equipment etc. There's nothing shameful or embarassing, or dishonorable or degrading about Nigeria also seeking a knowledge share from a people more experienced in handling this disease.

Inferiority complex and just a pure lack of esteem seems to be the reason we have a multitude of Nigerians denouncing this, simply because they feel its a dick measuring contest.

SpecialAdviser:
Honestly I keep on seeing something fishy about the attention Nigeria is getting from international community about corona virus.

Nigeria with a very low incidence and these people do not go to where the problem is escalating?
May God protect us in this country.

Do we wait until the cases explode in Nigeria before we do something proactive?.... and where did you get that notion from that the Chinese arent being sought after by countries with higher cases?

Highly populated countries like Nigeria, and densely populated cities like Lagos and Kano are at high risk and need attention. Unfortunately a lot of Nigerians still live in the delusion that blacks or people in hot countries are immune. We currently have about 254 cases (which may seem small), but the US had a similar number just about 3 weeks ago and thought they were immune too; but guess what? They now have over 400,000 cases (within a space of a month).

Rooneyboy:
U are a very smart person, I've been asking same question since and yet to get an answer.
What is special about Nigeria, our numbers are still small, we have other countries that have overwhelming cases, ( some countries even openly crying) for more medical personnels, yet still these Chinese chose not to go there.
Our government should be careful.
Nigerians should be careful.

Who told you those other countries arent seeking help from China?

However we want to look at it, there's nothing shameful or embarassing in seeking a knowledge share from Chinese doctors who happen to be the most experienced in dealing with this mess. Everything shouldnt be a dick measuring contest for Nigerians.

And then you said our numbers are still small, you want our number to explode exponentially before we do something about it?.... Of course a large majority of Nigerians still live in the delusion that blacks, or maybe those in hotter climates are immune. Are you aware that just over 3 weeks ago, the US had just about the same number of cases Nigeria currently has, but they now have over 400,000 cases, within less than a month.

However we want to look at it, Chinese doctors have the most experience dealing with this mess. We shouldn't always view everything as a dick measuring contest.

How exactly was this turned into a dick measuring contest between Nigeria and china?

Chinese doctors, however we may look at it, have the most experience in dealing with this disease, and China somehow someway, happens to be one of the only countries about to succeed in containing it's spread. Countries all over the world (including those far more advanced than our shithole) are seeking advice from Chinese medical teams on how to tackle this crisis. What's wrong if Nigeria does the same?

Nigerianization:
It's better late than never my dear.
In 2015, Derby complained about the Nigerian army under Jonathan not doing enough. What has changed? How many times has Lt Gen TY Buratai PERSONALLY led military onslaughts against Boko Haram? I am not expecting Buhari to do what Derby did on account of his age and health status, but his commanders are not up and doing and THAT IS A FACT.
Even a top military official have had course to complain. So what people like us are mocking is poor leadership, not any particular individual.

You cannot rightly claim that there are still no BH camps in Nigeria, that they operate from neighbouring countries. Just as Idris Derby woke up to flush the militants from his territory, the Nigerian army should do the same

If not
Buhari should grow some balls and FIRE THE SERVICE CHIEFS

No doubt, the leaders on our side of the border have failed woefully too. Forget about the old cargo in aso rock; you cant expect a ball-less man to grow balls in his old vegetative state. But then again, the Chadian govt isnt any different.

Nigerianization:
It is actually you that lack simple understanding of the fact that government is a continuum. The simple implication of my write-up is that the army under buhari should have occupied since then, but I guess you will still not understand because you lack common sense.

The ignorance of Nigerians using this onslaught by Chadian military to mock the Nigerian military stinks. The multinational joint task force initiative requires Nigeria to deal with bokoharam camps within Nigerian territory while Chad deals with bokoharam camps within Chadian territory.

But for years, what has Chad done? Most Bokoharam strongholds and camps are around the lake chad banks within Chadian territory. From these strongholds, they cross the border into Nigeria, unleash mayhem and then return to their safe haven. If Chad had done what they were meant to do a long time ago, BH would have been eliminated. But instead they've craftily used BH to milk money from Nigeria for years.

Just last week, BH attacked Chadian soldiers killing over 90 of them; this finally forced the Chadian president and military to wake up. Now here we are, Nigerians mocking the Nigerian military over this? Sometimes one doesnt know if its just politics or ignorance that really drives these comments.

Useless media men all over the place.

This crook twisting the minds of his gullible sheep as usual. Why did he craftily refer to only foreign debt and not total debt?

Of course he knows if we decide to talk of total debt, he will be shooting his boss and his party on the foot.

Captainrambo2:
stop reeling out these fake stats from air. Bokoharam has been killing Nigerian soldiers since. Pr did you not watch the clip by major adeniyi pleading with burutai for weapons and logistics ? I know you re pained chad killed the bokoharam members Nigerian govt wantesvyo grant amnesty to.

Soooo wail all you want. They re dead

Okay sorry please! Nigerian military hasnt cleared any bh camps or killed any BH terrorists since the crisis started; even Gen Adeniyi said it. You win! I'm not willing to argue with crackheads.

REDshouse:
Pride will never let us engage the chadian soldiers to finish the job...

Very soon you will here burutulai going against the chad for trespassing their boundary and moving army into the Nigerian soil without approval....

Nigeria Army is profiting from this boko war and presently chad has thrown our own army in disarray

The Nigerian military has done a hundred times more than what the Chadian military has just done. It's just nauseating seeing how many Nigerians think this is a sensible basis to mock the effort of Nigerians military, all because Chadian troops cleared out one BH camp in Chadian territory, something they have been required to do a long time ago under the MNJTF agreement.

Validated:
Why are we wasting billions of dollars on useless operations like Lafiadole instead of just employing Chadian troops for less. We all know that if you lack competence in any activity or event, you just have to employ experts or professionals to handle such for you. For about 20 yrars now the Nigerian Armed Forces have been overwhelmed by a ragtag Islamic Boko Haram. The latter have killed, maimed, kidnapped and destroyed towns, villages, communities, churches, mosques, schools etc . Infact beheading our troops have become their hobby.
Having decimated our troops, the same Islamic Boko Haram became emboldened to try it on Chad by killing 90 soldiers. That singular error has become their biggest undoing. Chadian soldiers are now pursuing the ragtag Islamist within our territory.
On our part, we have bern soending billions on thiscwar without results except capturing the terrorists flag and a few danegune and motorcycles. Whereas Chad have within one week routed the terrorists and captured their watehouse. Now Chad has placed a demand on Shekau to surrender or be killed. Great Chadian soldiers deserve ecomium and greater incentives. Hence I am calling on the Buhari led FG to let pride aside and accept the incompetence of our troops.
The FG should immediately engage Chadian soldiers to flush out these terrorist for a price that would be less thsn what Boko Haram demanded to release our brothers snd sisters in captivity. Operations Lafiadole, like other useless operations should be disbanded. In fact there is need to sack all officers above the rank of Major and allow new blood into the system. This ilshould not be exclusive to the Army but across all Security agencies. We need a rebranding of our Armef Forces. In the interim, we need to urgently engage Chad to help us flush these terrorist whilevwe rebuild our Armed Forces.

Whats all these sickening noise from Nigerians glorifying Chadian soldiers and mocking our military guys simply because Chadian troops cleared a camp of boko haram terrorists in Chad?

Oga, the Nigerian army and airforce has killed over 2000 BH terrorists and cleared multiple terrorist cells in the last 6 years. These bokoharam guys have for years, used Chad as their safe haven from where they launch attacks against Nigerian targets and then retreat back to Chad after unleashing mayhem. If the Chadian troops have been meeting up with their end of the MNJTF bargain by flushing out the bokoharam camps in Chadian territory, then these terrorists would have been eliminated a long time ago.

Just last week, BH launched an attack against Chadian troops killing about 100 of them, and this forced the Chadian govt to finally take action which they should have done years ago but refused to for God knows what reason. Now here we are, ignorant Nigerians are hailing Chad and mocking our military? The ignorance and unpatriotism of Nigerians stink... *spits*

cc: REDshouse, MelesZenawi, agwom, TheGiftedOne, Captainrambo2, Staphylococcus, iammo

Govt said 5G license has not been issued; what exactly is the contradiction here? Am I missing something?

huptin:
Ok i am trying to see things more from your own Lens, in 1999 forex demand was relatively low agreed, but i disagree that $5bn will equivalent of $50bn now, year on year inflation rate of the US is less than 2% adjusting for inflation and other metrics the value of $5bn in 1999 should be about $6bn now, the dollar is a relatively stable currency.

But i am happy you agree with me that a more robust management of the economy could have at least minimized the duration of the recession.

No I wasn't talking of the value of the USD, I was referring primarily to the demand for USD in Nigeria. I give an example, if Nigeria needed say $1 to import it's vital needs in 1999, today Nigeria needs about $10 to import its vital needs. Vital needs include things like food, petroleum products, raw materials, medicines etc. In 1999, the rate of import was low, we sourced most of our vital needs internally. But you agree with me that that isn't quite the case today. So what I actually meant was that if $5bn reserve in 1999 was able to meet say 70% of our import needs in 1999, due to the import craze over the last 20 years, Nigeria would need about $50bn to meet 70% of its vital needs today.

huptin:
The GDP growth rate was at 4% not 2% by the time Buhari came to power, lets even assume that it was 2%, Obasanjo met a foreign reserve of just about $5bn dollar with a massive debt of about $34Bn and oil was selling @$9 per barrel yet the economy never went into recession, instead it grew, Buhari met N30bn in foreign reserve, debt of about $12Bn and oil was selling circa $30 yet within 6 months the economy went into recession, pray tell me if not Buhari's incompetence what else could be responsible for that, especially considering that the first time the same Buhari became Head of state the nation's economy entered a recession at about the same time as it did during his second coming?

You cant compare apples and oranges please. No doubt, OBJ was a far far better economic manager, but 1999 was not the same thing as 2015. In 1999, a man could have lived comfortably off a salary of 20k, but it isn't the same thing as today. Nigeria may have had a forex reserve of $5bn in 1999, but that amount is almost equivalent to $50bn of today considering the sharp increase in forex demand over the last 20 years (Nigeria's forex demand today is roughly more than 10 times what it was in 1999)...

In 1999, Nigeria wasn't importing all of its petroleum products, which is currently the biggest drain on our fx today. In 1999, how many ordinary Nigerians were going overseas for studies or medicare compared to today (these thing consume forex)? How many people were buying things off Alibaba, Ebay and other foreign market places? How many Nigerians were into foreign online or importation businesses requiring forex? We didnt even have internet banking in Nigeria back in 1999, let alone the visa or mastercards which everyone has in their pockets today. In 1999, Nigeria could literally almost survive with a closed border and zero forex because we largely grew our own food, produced our fabric, refined our fuel etc; but today, even the most basic food items like rice, medicines, petrol, paper, polythene bags, basic fabrics, handekerchiefs etc. we import all of it. But you expect the $5bn reserve of 1999 to be equivalent to what it is today?

If OBJ was president in 2015, when oil prices took a sharp dip, and when the savings in reserves were dangerously low (in relation to the fx demand of the time), Nigeria would have also gone into that same recession. Only difference is that an OBJ may have handled it more efficiently and it wouldn't have lasted that long. Contrary to your claim on 4%, the gdp growth rate as at Q2 2015 (when PDP left) was 2.4%; Yes, following the oil price crash which began in late 2014, the much touted gdp growth rate of 7% crashed to 2.4% before Buhari came to power (you can easily google and verify that). Now may I remind you that this was under the watch of a powerful NOI (who also worked with OBJ), and guess what? oil prices were still over $60/barrel and $10bn was spent from the reserves (between Sept 2014 and May 2015) to support the economy, but yet exchange rate still crashed from N160 to N230, gdp rate crashed also to 2.4%. With a forex reserve of $28.6bn (exact figure as at May 29th, 2015), and with no more room to take money from reserves to support the economy and with oil prices still progressively crashing further to $28, what magic did you expect a 'dull' Buhari to do then? It's very easy for humans to loosely commit the fallacy 'post-hoc ergo propter hoc' (i.e. "Pmb became president, then recession came; so therefore, recession came because pmb became president). But we're all educated abeg, let's apply some more analytical thinking instead of just weak political/emotional conclusions. Buhari takes all the blame for not being able to have done wonders after 5 years, but saying recession of 2016 was caused by him is just a weak analogy (which majority of Nigerians are guilty of).

huptin:
Millitants were breaking pipes under Obasanjo, Yar adua and even GEJ Nigeria never went into recession, in fact the GDP was growing at 7% one of the fastest in the world, Nigeria went into recession largely due to Buhari's incompetence. Oil price was $9 when Obasanjo increased mininum wage massively in 1999. Oil price during Abacha's era was just around $8 yet as bad as Abacha was coupled with sanctions Nigeria never entered recession.

Now shut down Lagos ports and see Nigeria collapse within weeks, Buhari was not a fool when he categorically exempted Lagos ports from being closed down.

So people still make this ignorant argument even in 2020? The pipelines that were burst during OBj, yaradua and GEj tenures, by how much did it affect Nigeria's oil production volume then compared to 2016?.... Did those vandalisms also happen at a time following a sharp drop in global oil prices?... You say oil price was $9 during OBJs time or less during abacha, what was Nigeria's forex demand then compared to 2015? How much of fuel was Nigeria importing then compared to 2015?... How much of importation was Nigeria doing in 1999 compared to 2015 (when even basic items like toothpick and waterproof bags were being imported)?.... If recession was only caused by pmb incompetence and not oil price, why exactly did the 7% gdp rate you talked about fall to 2% before pmb came in power? (obviously a lot of folks like yourself dont know that).

PHijo:
What makes Lagos special?

If states are special Lagos cannot in anyway be more special than my home state, Rivers.

Why dont you go and infect yourself and family members with corona virus. I assure you if you can successfully infect over 20 of your family members in Rivers state, then the FG may be inclined to give some attention to your state.

90% of confirmed covid19 cases are in Lagos; I guess this should be common sense. But then, everything is politicised in Nigeria.

Very soon some people will pick placards to protest alleged discrimination / marginalisation of their state by corona virus.

Almighty America indirectly begging their citizens not to return home?.... Wow! This corona challenge is really strong.

OneNigerianist:
That is for you to find out and get educated before quoting.

Okay, fine! His ministry is apolitical, but the man himself is a known political bishop.

OneNigerianist:
His "ministry"
Read again!

What's really the difference between the man and the ministry he heads?

People comparing Canada and those other countries to Nigeria need mental evaluation.

OneNigerianist:
I've always known him as a the only Bishop whose ministry is immune from political influence.

See Christians condemning him and asking him to obey govt. Daniel, Shadrach, mishack and abardneggo etc did they all obey govt? This is the time to know true men of God not the once that order the closure of Churches. No true Bishop will formally order for churches entrusted to his care to be closed.

I tell you when the anti Christ comes, the big pastors and Bishops will be the ones to give the government the moral legitimacy to prosecute the tiny minority real Christians for their disobedience and "deviant behavior" and urge their followers to obey the anti Christ and ignore the " conspiracy theory "

I probably dont understand the bolded part of your comment above. If it means what I think it is, then nothing else in this world could be further from the truth, because Bishop Chukwuma happens to be about the most politically driven Anglican bishop in Nigeria. The man is a diehard PDP supporter, who has always publicly declared a deep prejudice against anything apc.

This particular bishop Chukwuma has always just been a staunch hater of Buhari and anything APC. I'm pretty sure his defying of the sit at home order has nothing to do with spirituality, but rather just a desperation for political rebellion.

helinues:
See this illiterate, who is threatening you or the conspiracy theory you know nothing about has been flawed.

Reno was so smart not to join them with the nonsense

Reno is only a divisive crook, he's not dumb.

Xisnin:
...
I am quite surprised when every promoter of these "theories" ask similar irrelevant question as if
they were coached from the same school of misinformation. Maybe they were.
...

Of course they all got it from the same sources which happen to be some anonymous whatsapp/facebook broadcast videos.