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“We later heard from the manager of the restaurant that some days ago, some two Nigerians came to the restaurant and asked to be served, after they handed them the menu, they looked through it and left. We concluded they possibly didn’t recognize the food or what to order.

“Just a few days after, the business place was sealed up, without the Commission asking for our response to any allegation against us.

This must be the lamest denial I've come across in ages.

Switruth:
. We are saying the same thing boss. And there are many more sitting and living on top of these bombs. Something should be done to identify these places and make amends of relocation to avoid this kind of disaster. My sympathy goes to all that’s affected.

Simplyleo:
So whose fault?

The govt or the residents?

How many of the residents even have an idea of the consequences of settling around the area? I understand even a secondary school is there, so what are we saying?

Rules are not just made, they are also enforced. In enforcement of rules, the govt need not give a damn about individuals as long as they are violators. They can make all the noise, but the rule must be enforced.

If there are no strict enforcement of the rule stopping people from building houses under high tension power transmission cables, you think there wouldn't have been settlements and markets directly under those cables?

Did the govt make any effort to stop people from residing in the vicinity of the gas pipeline?

Were those lands sold without the approval of town planners?

I doubt those buildings were directly within the route corridor of the pipeline. The explosion was just massive and affected structures even far away.

sunky97:
The security of President #Buhari was almost breached today.
Safety of President should be better managed than this.
I believe his security team can do better than allow this kind of error.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eErW7Hc0vXU[/flash]

Almost?

Security was already breached in that video.

blowjohn:
So ur equating prisoners and militants to terrorists?
U think their ideologies r the same?

..and how did I equate militants and terrorist? I said it's international practice to rehabilitate terrorists who surrender. This isn't the first govt to do that, even the past Nigerian government did the same thing (i.e. rehabilitate and release boko haram). Nowhere in my statement did I say it was 'right' to do that.

trutht828:
But you made excuse for it, didn't you?

"...Rehabilitating prisoners or militants or terrorist fighters 'who willingly surrender' is international law/practice; it may be distasteful, but that's unfortunately how things work (the soldiers should have shot them on the heads instead of capturing them). Even the 'more rational' PDP government of GEJ before this onealso did the same nonsense...."

How exactly did you read my above statement and interpret it as me "making excuses" or supporting terrorist rehabilitation?

Nigerians are fond of this fallacy, you correct an erroneous statement and it's instantly interpreted as 'defending' or 'making excuses'; is it now a crime to say a truth in Nigeria?

You should also direct that question to amnesty international, US government, Nigerian governments (past and present) and other international human rights organisations that have been attacking our military for killing captured terrorist fighters.

trutht828:
Have you asked yourself why the repentant armed robbers in Nigeria prisons have not been rehabilitated?

Have you visited Nigeria prisons lately to see their living conditions? Have you seen the VIP treatment given to captured Boko haram members?

Does that also sound sensible to you?

Did I mention anywhere that rehabilitating terrorists was sensible?

Maybe you should direct that question to amnesty international, US government, Nigerian governments (past and present) and other international human rights organisations that have been attacking our military for killing captured terrorist fighters.

GamalNasser:
Which Military cert? Name them ? I hope you have have heard the US War college say what they gave Buhari is a mere attendance cert and doesn't represent any class of degree

Lol.. keeping deluding yourself that attendance certificate got a person promoted in the military up to General rank. Your will of course say it's 'quota system'. But you'd soon explain whether there weren't any other Fulani military men from Katsina with real certificates that could have gotten those promotions above buhari.

Maxymilliano:
Had it been such laudable bill has been passed some 6 years back, we wouldn't have been in the current mess we found ourselves.

MrBachelor:
This, in my opinion, is the only reasonable bill to be proposed by the rubber stamp Senate since its inception. Sadly, it is coming a little late. If this had been a law since before 2015, Nigeria would have been saved from its current misadventure. But I fear that when passed the senile one may fail to assent to it.

GamalNasser:
If we passed this 10 years earlier today Nigeria will not be on the verge of Economic and social extinction Buhari has brought

Buhari's military certificates are equivalent of HND, bachelors and even masters, and the newly passed bill does actually states "HND or its equivalent"... Passing the bill even 20 years ago wouldn't have changed anything.

Mandeyy:
[s]Tribalism has made you sense.less. Who told you that those Boko Haramites genuinely repented? Besides, what Guardian wrote about the 40 percent of the loan that will be given to the loan facilitators is true. No country has ever rehabilitated terrorists. They kill them to serve as a deterrent to others, and that's what Niger Republic did recently. So, stop writing trash. The PDP government didn't rehabilitate terrorists. Niger Delta militants were not terrorists. They agitated that their region was ravaged by oil spillage, gas flaring, and environmental degradation, but the government didn't listen to them. Go there and see things for yourself. The resources are from their region, but they're in perpetual pernury. So, they were freedom and resource control fighters. The best government should have done was to entrench fiscal federalism, but it didn't do that. The North benefits from their resources. The highly influential Northern personalities own oil wells in the Niger Delta, while little or nothing came to their people. And that's injustice. Could you please tell me the genuine reason Boko Haram terrorists had (or still have) for killing people? Even Niger Delta militants didn't kill innocent Nigerians living in the Niger Delta. They only focused on destroying government and multinational companies' oil installations, and at times, the soldiers were killed because they wanted to kill them. Your point is pointless. You're filled with tribalism.[/s]

What sort of mannerlessness makes a person to jump into a conversation with insult? What tribe do you even assume I am and what in God's name even brought tribe into this discussion? First evidence of your senselessness is you bringing up tribalism into an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with tribe. *spits*

When I said the previous govt also rehabilitated terrorists, who said I was talking of ND militants? See how you went on an endless tirade talking about ND militants without even knowing what I was talking about. I was referring to boko haram terrorists, they were offered amnesty by GEJ, the ones who surrendered were also rehabilitated. Most of those terrorist who they say are being rehabilitated and released today, their rehabilitation started before 2015, the current government only continued in a program started by its predecessor.

What do you mean by "whether Boko Haramites genuinely repented"? Did I mention it to you anywhere that bokoharam repented genuinely or not? Did I tell you I'm in support of rehabilitating terrorists? I only said it was international practice to rehabilitate or try to deradicalise terrorists who willingly surrender. Obailala did not make the law, Obailala does not support the law, but it is what it is. Where were you when Nigeria was sanctioned by the US and blocked from procuring weapons to fight bokoharam on the accusation of 'extrajudicial killings' of captured terrorist. Also where were you when amnesty international and other similar human right's organisations were on the neck of Nigeria for killing captured terrorists? Even some soldiers involved in that were court-marshaled not too long ago. I guess it was Buhari that sanctioned Nigeria no be so?

Finally you mentioned that "what Guardian wrote about $9 billion consultancy fee is true", on what basis did you come to that conclusion that $9billion is paid as consultation fee? In the history of the world, where has that ever happened?... and why is such a catchy story not being debated or even reported anywhere else besides the forgotten editorial in Guardian online newspaper? You must surely be a part of those who negotiated the deal, that must explain why you're so sure of the inside details.

Oracle23:
So which islamic terrorists have America or europe rehabilitated?

And pls which terrorists did GEJ rehabilitate?

Was it not the same useless American government that sanctioned Nigerian government for extra judicial killing of captured boko haram terrorist? Also where were you when amnesty international and other similar human right's organisations were on the neck of Nigeria for killing captured terrorists? Even some soldiers had to be court-marshaled for that not long ago. Was it not the same American government that blocked every avenue of Nigeria buying weapons to fight bokoharam on the basis of human rights abuses against captured terrorists?

You asked which terrorist GEJ freed, who was Nigeria's president in 2013 -2014? Did the Nigerian government then not even grant amnesty to boko haram members who were willing to surrender? Or you probably couldn't afford internet data in 2013/2014 to know these? The current rehabilitation program (or whatever it's called) for boko haram fighters was a program started before 2015; the guy's being released recently started their rehabilitation before 2015.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/05/201352117343462308.html
https://www.refworld.org/docid/559bd54b3a.html
http://newirin.irinnews.org/boko-haram-road-to-redemption
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/153120-jonathan-orders-release-of165-boko-haram-suspects-nigerian-military.html

Oracle23:
Stop pretending as if u dont know Nigeria again. Even if it's not 40%, just know that high grade looting is being prepared to be executed on this loan

Of course govt officials must steal, but how can any normal person believe that $9 billion can be paid as consultancy fee? The fee isn't even for the projects themselves, rather just for consultants who will help Nigeria to secure the loan. Govt is bad govt is bad, but abeg is it a crime if we apply wisdom when swallowing online reports?

TylerDurden:
So, despite all the foolishness of this govt you are still giving them a benefit of a doubt?

It is this same Govt that is planning to hand Abacha loot to the current Governor of Kebbi state.

It is this same Govt that is going after a legal secreatry of the NNPC over the P&ID scam that was orchestrated by Lukmann and Barkindo (then GMD NNPC).

This same govt that stated that lukmann (who is since late) was a ''honest'' man and can not be indicted in the P&ID scam. Ok, what of Barkindo who was GMD NNPC at that time who is alive and well and now the chair of OPEC?

Was it not this same Buhari that saw nothing wrong with Ganduje stuffing wads of dollars in his babariga ?

Was it not this same govt that claimed Abacha loot was not stolen but stashed abroad for rainy days?

Was it not this same Buhari govt that gave Tinubu two bullion vans worth of cash to pay thugs to rig and snatch ballot boxes?

What of the NIA loot that Kingibe stole and which led to the sack of the then NIA DG?

You better get sense.

The article is 100% accurate!

They have schemed off $9bn for themselves from this loan.

Oga like I said, govt may be silly, but stop swallowing every nonsense you read online. $9 billion for loan consultancy indeed!

TylerDurden:
The Guardian.

I will link the source here for you

And are you still trying to rationalize a govt that is rehabilitating repentant Terrorists, proposing Fulani Colonies and pushing laws that will get you executed over your free speech?

TylerDurden:
Here is the link
https://guardian.ng/news/furore-over-alleged-exclusion-of-south-east-edo-from-22-7b-loan/

Who takes a loan of $23bn for projects and pays $9bn (amounting to 40% of the total sum) as consultancy fee to people who facilitated the loan?

Oga, the government may be inept, the government may be useless, the government may be stupid and you may detest the government like a large majority of Nigerians justifiably do; but then, is it any nonsense article you read online that you just believe?

Meanwhile you talk about rehabilitating terrorists as if it's a new thing unique to this government. Rehabilitating prisoners or militants or terrorist fighters 'who willingly surrender' is international law; it may be distasteful, but that's unfortunately how things work (the soldiers should have shot them on the heads instead of capturing them). Even the 'more rational' PDP government of GEJ before this one also did the same nonsense.

TylerDurden:
FG will pay $9bn out of the $22bn for consultancy.

The useless mods here keep deleting any thread that highlights this aspect of the scam loan.

What's the origin of that info?.... 40% consultancy fee? $9 BILLION consultancy fee will be paid to people who will help secure the loan?... Does that even make sense to you?

Agboriotejoye:
Go back and read the OP for answers to your questions. You should have read the OP and digested before forming defender of the universe.

Of course the minister can sign. Which begs the question what Kyari is there for? Or is he there to interpret the agreements to the minister?

Go and chase him away away na.. go and chase Kyari away since you're the attacker of the universe.

Lol...

Agboriotejoye:
You've said it all bro. But obailala will not agree

frog12:
osinbajo should be there. dey wan keep vp in back seat after removing SLS. no be rumour say SLS wan be vp of osinbajo when pmb was sick.
osinbajo should be there. dey wan keep vp in back seat after removing SLS. no be rumour say SLS wan be vp of osinbajo when pmb was sick.
osinbajo should be there. dey wan keep vp in back seat after removing SLS. no be rumour say SLS wan be vp of osinbajo when pmb was sick.

Oya make una go remove Kyari!

Agboriotejoye:
Again read and understand. No one said the president needs to be everywhere. It is for that reasons he has ministers and a deputy to help him pilot the affairs of state and make policies on his behalf. I guess Abba Kyari is the one to step aside and consult the president on final decisions. So if the president agrees, since Kyari cannot sign, what happens next? If we follow your narrative, he orders the minister to sign. Problem is, he has no constitutional powers to do that.

I really can't keep repeating the same thing to you. Go and get acquainted on the workings of our system of govt

Lol... Shaking my head vigorously for you!

1. kindly point out to me where the report says they are there to sign an agreement?

2. Let's even assume an agreement is to be signed, where exactly was it mentioned that it must be signed there and then?

3. Most importantly, assuming an agreement needs to be signed there and then, does the presence of the minister for power in that meeting not mean anything to you?

The journalist who penned down that report and deliberately placed Abba Kyari's name in the title really caught your mumu button; the hatred you have for the Kyari is probably working on you like a potent juju, cos I can't rationalise why any normal person would still be arguing this. Or could it be you're a woman? Cos only women can sustain meaningless arguments like this (apologies to the ladies in the house).

Agboriotejoye:
The report says they are going there to fine-tune details of the agreement. Fine-tuning will involve modifications which will require assent. So who gives the assent at that juncture? The CoS or the minister? How will the president give authority when he's not there. Abi na futuristic authority him don give Kyari ni?

Lol... and it gets even more laughable! So the president has to be everywhere, at everytime and at every meeting? So a meeting cannot go on and then an official representing the president steps aside to consult the president for final decisions?... Not even the presence of the minister of power satisfies this one... Wonders shall never end. See reasoning!

You see why I originally said YOU WIN?! ...because my spirit told me this one is a waste of precious energy.

Agboriotejoye:
To understand the term, you need to update yourself on the workings of a presidential system of government. Google can help you in dis regard

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said he shouldn't attend. What I said is as leader of the delegation since he is of higher rank than a minister, if there are agreements to be signed, is he going to order the minister to sign or sign himself? Mind you, a CoS has no business ordering a minister except an order passed through him by the president. That's the anomaly of his presence in the meeting with the minster. It automatically means the minster answers to him in the meeting which is not the intendment of the constitution where the minister is expected to answer to the president or his vice in some cases but never to the CoS who is not even mentioned in the constitution.

Smh! ...And where exactly did the report say that the CoS is ordering a minister around based on his own authority (and not from the president)? You just wake up, conjure an idea in your head, read a dubiously crafted headline (designed to tickle folks like you), and then you proceed on the basis of your own personal assumptions to make conclusions and recommendations. And then u you ask me to go and read about what exactly?... Smh!

Such desperation to have an argument and then satisfy a burning urge to criticise. Oga find something else to criticise abeg!

gimakon:
You way sabi how to insult yourself and person parents , shay e don clear for your eye now. If person day tell your papa something, try day hear. You day fine who go insult you. Person way no know wetin e day do. Olofofo

https://www.nairaland.com/5729724/buhari-ordered-ganduje-dethrone-emir

Read make your sense day go straight

You're the one that insulted your family and even your unborn generation. You do not have any proof that buhari removed SLS. Kwankwaso accused, Buhari denies the allegation. But only a compound mumu like yourself thinks he can make a conclusion based on assumption and then start insulting strangers he meets online. No be you I blame, na your parents wey no teach you manners or common sense!

Agboriotejoye:
I've asked you to show me where previous Chiefs of Staff represented the president in official functions.

There's no law that says the CoS can't attend a meeting because there's no law recognizing him in the first place. He's a private official of the president not an official of the state like the minister or the VP. I already told you to get familiar with the workings of the presidential system especially as we have it in Nigeria.

What exactly is your definition of the term 'official function'? A meeting with Siemens? Buhari already personally signed a power agreement with Siemens and now you say a meeting with Siemens is a function which the CoS is a nonentity and shouldn't be able to attend?

Agboriotejoye:
Kindly show examples of other govts either in Nigeria's democratic history or elsewhere where the CoS represented the president in Bilateral meetings.

This is a quote from the OP. You can tell us what fine tuning entails

The report even mentioned that the power minister was present, but the journalist deliberately relegated / obscured that bit of information so as to arouse the excitement of folks like yourself; I didn't read the full report earlier so I wasn't aware the minister was even present.

So what then are you still arguing about? Are you basically saying the minister of power and the presidents chief of staff are inconsequential imbeciless that cannot represent the president in a meeting with power investors?

Going back to my previous stance, even if the power minister wasn't there, show me the law book that says a CoS cannot attend a meeting for a president? Is it by force to criticise everything? There are too many things to criticise government for but some people just fail woefully at selecting meaningful things to criticise.

Anyway, like I said before, YOU WIN! I no get power for pointless arguments abeg.

Agboriotejoye:
Do you have details of the meeting? A Chief of Staff works with the president. He has no business representing the president in official functions where requests and commitments will be made on behalf of the govt. Not even the SGF or the HOS. Like I said, it's an anomaly

You win abeg! It's an anomaly for CoS to represent the president. Only the VP and appointed ministers have the power to represent the president in such governmental meetings.

Agboriotejoye:
Do you mean the minister and Cos travelled to Germany for a meaningless meeting? What is obvious from the thread is that they are there to have a formal discussion on the power issues in Nigeria. It is important to understand how presidential system works before you start talking chairman.

Lol.. can you imagine? whether I understand how a presidential system works? Wonders shall never end! So in your fantastic understanding of presidential systems, a CoS cannot represent the president in even a meeting (of which you acknowledged you have no idea what it's about)? Only a VP or minister can?

Agboriotejoye:
This is actually the first time i'm seeing the CoS leading a govt delegation to another country in a democracy. It's an anomaly. I just hope he's not signing documents because he has no powers to do so.

There absolutely no anomaly about the president's chief of staff having a meeting with investors. People just irrationally feel a need to criticise everything, even meaningless issues.

Agboriotejoye:
That's not true. He can't even sign on behalf of the president in a deal. Those who can sign on behalf of the country in deals are ministers and the VP. He had no business being in dat meeting.

This is what happens when people feel a compulsion to criticise everything, and then when corrected, instead of just accepting error and moving on, they feel a desperation to force an arguement over nothing.

Can you kindly point out where the report mentioned that he's signing any agreement?

Flyingngel:
who gave him the power to organize a meeting with Minister of power when his only duty is to cater for the need of the President.
Beside there is nothing like chief of staff in the constitution.
Buhari well done.

Jack500:
Buhari has bastardized everything, what constitution empower Abba kyari to have a meeting with anybody on behalf of Nigerians and Nigeria.

Thunder fire Buhari

olajide8:
Please what is the new function of the minister of power? If ABBA kyari has now subsumed the responsibility of the minister - shameful country
Take over the function of NSA, take over the function of the VP and all to steal from govt

Jaspernubi:
Nigeria is doomed
Let them Just tell us that Abha Kyari is the President in Aso Rock since Buhari is Long Senile
What an insubordination
How an un-elected impostor spend public funds on a lying visit to Germany and the docile People or rather the conquered People of Nigeria looks on is just too astounding

valentineuwakwe:
is he now the minister of power? so many lies in govt and am beginning to think this man is the head of the cabal ruling this nation called Nigeria!

He's the CoS to the president (a CoS is typically the last man you see before seeing the president). He can act as a representative of the president in whatever function the president deems fit.

voltron14:
Abba Kyari graduated with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Sociology from the University of Warwick, England in 1980.

He also possesses a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Law from the University of Cambridge, England and was called to the Nigerian Bar after attending the Nigerian Law School in 1983.

In 1984, he obtained a master's degree in law from the University of Cambridge.

He later attended the International Institute for Management Development at Lausanne, Switzerland and participated in the Program for Management Development at the Harvard Business School, in 1992 and 1994.

Lol... why do we need to know this?

Awol1:
I'm taking my time out to reply you because you talked reasonably well enough with points and not insults.

Because I think you are educated, I believe you know the role of 'intention' in the judgment of an act. Apart from the action, what was the intention of the subject?

Was Sanusi's utterance reasonable and justified few months to a general election?

Was his action wholly patriotic with no agenda meant to serve?

Would you have been all cool if you were GEJ and your employer said such things very close to a general election that carried the kind of heat that 2015 elections carried?

Do you think Godwin Emefiele would do that to Buhari?

Well, I agree with you that GEJ or his cabals like you chose to call them, could have handled the issue better but my people say when one bites your head without caring about your hairs, you wouldn't mind biting him back at the anus without caring about faeces.

GEJ is still human las las.

But he had good intentions backed with good policies that gave this country direction.

I'm unemployed and never benefitted a kobo from GEJ.

I'm just a Nigerian in tears for my country that took steps 30 years backwards.

A very important point of correct! SLS did not raise the issue of unaccounted NNPC funds 'few months' to elections as you claim. That issue was raised sometime in mid-2013 and the next elections were in 2 years time. SLS was eventually sacked by GEJ in February 2014 (still far from elections) - get your facts right. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26270561

Did he have good intentions?
Let's throw away sentiments and examine the situation from a practical perspective. You're the accountant/treasurer of an organisation and a large chunk of money is received but you're cut out of the loop. What will be your reaction? Are you aware SLS would look like a fool himself if auditors arrive and he as the CBN governor cannot give account of NNPC funds?

From records, it was clear that he followed official channels several times demanding to get an account of the funds from the petroleum ministry / NNPC but was blankly locked out. He of coursed directed requests to the president by writing letters which were ignored / thrown out. At the end of the day, if you remember the events, the contents of one of the letters was leaked to the press (by whoever).

After the leak, the fact remains that GEj handled the situation very poorly and that's why it became a scandal. As president, all he could have done was make a standard political statement - "it will be investigated", and then set up a committee to investigate and boom! the matter dies a natural death. But instead, the first impulsive reaction from GEJ was to start lamenting that the CBN governor was working for political opponents and saying rubbish. Haba!

GeneralTopic:
Ever since Sanusi Lamido Sanusi was ousted as the emir of Kano, by the Kano State Government, I have been reading comments in here like...

"they can never try this with (Inserts the name of one compound chief from a remote village)"

"the government will never attempt to uninstall (inserts the name of a family chief)"

Bla Bla Bla...

See, there is Royalty and there is Royalty. There are momentous levels to this game that goes beyond our 50 kobo sentiments...

The aura and charisma a traditional stool oozes, together with its historical progression and significance is how it will be treated...

Apart from these SS3 boys below:

Ooni of Ife
Oba of Benin (this particular one is nobody's mate)
Sultan of Sokoto

Your traditional ruler is at the mercy of the state government. The government will install and uninstall him like a mobile app and nothing will happen�... It is a very bitter pill to swallow. I know that. But let's resist the urge to argue about "realism" and "idealism" today... On this discourse, please ignore what is ideal and rather talk about what is obtainable.

Written by: Teddy Benson

Abacha dethroned a Sultan of Sokoto...