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Agboriotejoye:
You've said it all bro. But obailala will not agree

frog12:
osinbajo should be there. dey wan keep vp in back seat after removing SLS. no be rumour say SLS wan be vp of osinbajo when pmb was sick.
osinbajo should be there. dey wan keep vp in back seat after removing SLS. no be rumour say SLS wan be vp of osinbajo when pmb was sick.
osinbajo should be there. dey wan keep vp in back seat after removing SLS. no be rumour say SLS wan be vp of osinbajo when pmb was sick.

Oya make una go remove Kyari!

Agboriotejoye:
Again read and understand. No one said the president needs to be everywhere. It is for that reasons he has ministers and a deputy to help him pilot the affairs of state and make policies on his behalf. I guess Abba Kyari is the one to step aside and consult the president on final decisions. So if the president agrees, since Kyari cannot sign, what happens next? If we follow your narrative, he orders the minister to sign. Problem is, he has no constitutional powers to do that.

I really can't keep repeating the same thing to you. Go and get acquainted on the workings of our system of govt

Lol... Shaking my head vigorously for you!

1. kindly point out to me where the report says they are there to sign an agreement?

2. Let's even assume an agreement is to be signed, where exactly was it mentioned that it must be signed there and then?

3. Most importantly, assuming an agreement needs to be signed there and then, does the presence of the minister for power in that meeting not mean anything to you?

The journalist who penned down that report and deliberately placed Abba Kyari's name in the title really caught your mumu button; the hatred you have for the Kyari is probably working on you like a potent juju, cos I can't rationalise why any normal person would still be arguing this. Or could it be you're a woman? Cos only women can sustain meaningless arguments like this (apologies to the ladies in the house).

Agboriotejoye:
The report says they are going there to fine-tune details of the agreement. Fine-tuning will involve modifications which will require assent. So who gives the assent at that juncture? The CoS or the minister? How will the president give authority when he's not there. Abi na futuristic authority him don give Kyari ni?

Lol... and it gets even more laughable! So the president has to be everywhere, at everytime and at every meeting? So a meeting cannot go on and then an official representing the president steps aside to consult the president for final decisions?... Not even the presence of the minister of power satisfies this one... Wonders shall never end. See reasoning!

You see why I originally said YOU WIN?! ...because my spirit told me this one is a waste of precious energy.

Agboriotejoye:
To understand the term, you need to update yourself on the workings of a presidential system of government. Google can help you in dis regard

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said he shouldn't attend. What I said is as leader of the delegation since he is of higher rank than a minister, if there are agreements to be signed, is he going to order the minister to sign or sign himself? Mind you, a CoS has no business ordering a minister except an order passed through him by the president. That's the anomaly of his presence in the meeting with the minster. It automatically means the minster answers to him in the meeting which is not the intendment of the constitution where the minister is expected to answer to the president or his vice in some cases but never to the CoS who is not even mentioned in the constitution.

Smh! ...And where exactly did the report say that the CoS is ordering a minister around based on his own authority (and not from the president)? You just wake up, conjure an idea in your head, read a dubiously crafted headline (designed to tickle folks like you), and then you proceed on the basis of your own personal assumptions to make conclusions and recommendations. And then u you ask me to go and read about what exactly?... Smh!

Such desperation to have an argument and then satisfy a burning urge to criticise. Oga find something else to criticise abeg!

gimakon:
You way sabi how to insult yourself and person parents , shay e don clear for your eye now. If person day tell your papa something, try day hear. You day fine who go insult you. Person way no know wetin e day do. Olofofo

https://www.nairaland.com/5729724/buhari-ordered-ganduje-dethrone-emir

Read make your sense day go straight

You're the one that insulted your family and even your unborn generation. You do not have any proof that buhari removed SLS. Kwankwaso accused, Buhari denies the allegation. But only a compound mumu like yourself thinks he can make a conclusion based on assumption and then start insulting strangers he meets online. No be you I blame, na your parents wey no teach you manners or common sense!

Agboriotejoye:
I've asked you to show me where previous Chiefs of Staff represented the president in official functions.

There's no law that says the CoS can't attend a meeting because there's no law recognizing him in the first place. He's a private official of the president not an official of the state like the minister or the VP. I already told you to get familiar with the workings of the presidential system especially as we have it in Nigeria.

What exactly is your definition of the term 'official function'? A meeting with Siemens? Buhari already personally signed a power agreement with Siemens and now you say a meeting with Siemens is a function which the CoS is a nonentity and shouldn't be able to attend?

Agboriotejoye:
Kindly show examples of other govts either in Nigeria's democratic history or elsewhere where the CoS represented the president in Bilateral meetings.

This is a quote from the OP. You can tell us what fine tuning entails

The report even mentioned that the power minister was present, but the journalist deliberately relegated / obscured that bit of information so as to arouse the excitement of folks like yourself; I didn't read the full report earlier so I wasn't aware the minister was even present.

So what then are you still arguing about? Are you basically saying the minister of power and the presidents chief of staff are inconsequential imbeciless that cannot represent the president in a meeting with power investors?

Going back to my previous stance, even if the power minister wasn't there, show me the law book that says a CoS cannot attend a meeting for a president? Is it by force to criticise everything? There are too many things to criticise government for but some people just fail woefully at selecting meaningful things to criticise.

Anyway, like I said before, YOU WIN! I no get power for pointless arguments abeg.

Agboriotejoye:
Do you have details of the meeting? A Chief of Staff works with the president. He has no business representing the president in official functions where requests and commitments will be made on behalf of the govt. Not even the SGF or the HOS. Like I said, it's an anomaly

You win abeg! It's an anomaly for CoS to represent the president. Only the VP and appointed ministers have the power to represent the president in such governmental meetings.

Agboriotejoye:
Do you mean the minister and Cos travelled to Germany for a meaningless meeting? What is obvious from the thread is that they are there to have a formal discussion on the power issues in Nigeria. It is important to understand how presidential system works before you start talking chairman.

Lol.. can you imagine? whether I understand how a presidential system works? Wonders shall never end! So in your fantastic understanding of presidential systems, a CoS cannot represent the president in even a meeting (of which you acknowledged you have no idea what it's about)? Only a VP or minister can?

Agboriotejoye:
This is actually the first time i'm seeing the CoS leading a govt delegation to another country in a democracy. It's an anomaly. I just hope he's not signing documents because he has no powers to do so.

There absolutely no anomaly about the president's chief of staff having a meeting with investors. People just irrationally feel a need to criticise everything, even meaningless issues.

Agboriotejoye:
That's not true. He can't even sign on behalf of the president in a deal. Those who can sign on behalf of the country in deals are ministers and the VP. He had no business being in dat meeting.

This is what happens when people feel a compulsion to criticise everything, and then when corrected, instead of just accepting error and moving on, they feel a desperation to force an arguement over nothing.

Can you kindly point out where the report mentioned that he's signing any agreement?

Flyingngel:
who gave him the power to organize a meeting with Minister of power when his only duty is to cater for the need of the President.
Beside there is nothing like chief of staff in the constitution.
Buhari well done.

Jack500:
Buhari has bastardized everything, what constitution empower Abba kyari to have a meeting with anybody on behalf of Nigerians and Nigeria.

Thunder fire Buhari

olajide8:
Please what is the new function of the minister of power? If ABBA kyari has now subsumed the responsibility of the minister - shameful country
Take over the function of NSA, take over the function of the VP and all to steal from govt

Jaspernubi:
Nigeria is doomed
Let them Just tell us that Abha Kyari is the President in Aso Rock since Buhari is Long Senile
What an insubordination
How an un-elected impostor spend public funds on a lying visit to Germany and the docile People or rather the conquered People of Nigeria looks on is just too astounding

valentineuwakwe:
is he now the minister of power? so many lies in govt and am beginning to think this man is the head of the cabal ruling this nation called Nigeria!

He's the CoS to the president (a CoS is typically the last man you see before seeing the president). He can act as a representative of the president in whatever function the president deems fit.

voltron14:
Abba Kyari graduated with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Sociology from the University of Warwick, England in 1980.

He also possesses a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Law from the University of Cambridge, England and was called to the Nigerian Bar after attending the Nigerian Law School in 1983.

In 1984, he obtained a master's degree in law from the University of Cambridge.

He later attended the International Institute for Management Development at Lausanne, Switzerland and participated in the Program for Management Development at the Harvard Business School, in 1992 and 1994.

Lol... why do we need to know this?

Awol1:
I'm taking my time out to reply you because you talked reasonably well enough with points and not insults.

Because I think you are educated, I believe you know the role of 'intention' in the judgment of an act. Apart from the action, what was the intention of the subject?

Was Sanusi's utterance reasonable and justified few months to a general election?

Was his action wholly patriotic with no agenda meant to serve?

Would you have been all cool if you were GEJ and your employer said such things very close to a general election that carried the kind of heat that 2015 elections carried?

Do you think Godwin Emefiele would do that to Buhari?

Well, I agree with you that GEJ or his cabals like you chose to call them, could have handled the issue better but my people say when one bites your head without caring about your hairs, you wouldn't mind biting him back at the anus without caring about faeces.

GEJ is still human las las.

But he had good intentions backed with good policies that gave this country direction.

I'm unemployed and never benefitted a kobo from GEJ.

I'm just a Nigerian in tears for my country that took steps 30 years backwards.

A very important point of correct! SLS did not raise the issue of unaccounted NNPC funds 'few months' to elections as you claim. That issue was raised sometime in mid-2013 and the next elections were in 2 years time. SLS was eventually sacked by GEJ in February 2014 (still far from elections) - get your facts right. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26270561

Did he have good intentions?
Let's throw away sentiments and examine the situation from a practical perspective. You're the accountant/treasurer of an organisation and a large chunk of money is received but you're cut out of the loop. What will be your reaction? Are you aware SLS would look like a fool himself if auditors arrive and he as the CBN governor cannot give account of NNPC funds?

From records, it was clear that he followed official channels several times demanding to get an account of the funds from the petroleum ministry / NNPC but was blankly locked out. He of coursed directed requests to the president by writing letters which were ignored / thrown out. At the end of the day, if you remember the events, the contents of one of the letters was leaked to the press (by whoever).

After the leak, the fact remains that GEj handled the situation very poorly and that's why it became a scandal. As president, all he could have done was make a standard political statement - "it will be investigated", and then set up a committee to investigate and boom! the matter dies a natural death. But instead, the first impulsive reaction from GEJ was to start lamenting that the CBN governor was working for political opponents and saying rubbish. Haba!

GeneralTopic:
Ever since Sanusi Lamido Sanusi was ousted as the emir of Kano, by the Kano State Government, I have been reading comments in here like...

"they can never try this with (Inserts the name of one compound chief from a remote village)"

"the government will never attempt to uninstall (inserts the name of a family chief)"

Bla Bla Bla...

See, there is Royalty and there is Royalty. There are momentous levels to this game that goes beyond our 50 kobo sentiments...

The aura and charisma a traditional stool oozes, together with its historical progression and significance is how it will be treated...

Apart from these SS3 boys below:

Ooni of Ife
Oba of Benin (this particular one is nobody's mate)
Sultan of Sokoto

Your traditional ruler is at the mercy of the state government. The government will install and uninstall him like a mobile app and nothing will happen�... It is a very bitter pill to swallow. I know that. But let's resist the urge to argue about "realism" and "idealism" today... On this discourse, please ignore what is ideal and rather talk about what is obtainable.

Written by: Teddy Benson

Abacha dethroned a Sultan of Sokoto...

The deposed Emir was initially banished to Opanda town in Toto Local Government Area of Nasarawa State.

umarshehu58:
Y'all people that are saying it was the lie against Gej that made Sanusi face this are all fools.

Are our politicians and leaders not cheating us? Are they not lying against us? Why the karma never visit them? The worst part is, they even last many years compare to an average Nigerian. E.g Babangida, Gowown, Obj and co.

Those claiming that SLS was dethroned by God for fighting GEJ, if this silly theory is anything to go by, then what it actually means is that the disgraceful dethronement of GEJ was clearly his own punishment for failing Nigerians.

Awol1:
Sanusi lied against GEJ and he knows it.

He claimed 20billion dollars was missing from wherever. Which was a lie.

From what account did such amount miss?

How much is the total worth of Nigeria, that 20 billions will be looted and we are still standing?

It was all propaganda. But Sanusi bought into it and helped bastardisze GEJ's name in the international community.

I'm not totally exonerating GEJ of every ills he's been accused of, but the lies in them outweigh the truth.

GEJ is a child of destiny and mystery.

From nowhere, he became everything.

Now every hand that fought him has taken its bitter repayment one way or the order.

And more will still fall.

Don't ever join to prosecute the innocent because you feel no one will fight for him.

Sorry, not sorry for Sanusi!.

All these Jonathanians should just let us rest with this perpetual wailing. Jonathan himself basterdised his name, not anyone else. Sanusi as the CBN governor and chief banker of the federation was kept out of the loop on how accrued oil revenue was handled. He asked for clarification several times and was shut out by the cabal surrounding GEJ. That's exactly what happened before he raised an alarm on an 'unaccounted for $20bn'. SLS never said the money was stolen, he simply said it was unaccounted for, and it's a pity if any adult still cannot comprehend the difference.

After all the noise and scandal, the cabal finally let go and an audit was done in which 'most' of the runds were eventually accounted for.

When SLS asked for an account, if he got a response from the govt, there would never have been any scandal. It's all common sense. Even following the public declarations (of missing $20bn), all that was expected of a reasonable govt and president was to simply say "he will investigate" and that simple statement could have killed the scandal. But instead, GEJ and his handlers and supporters began running around aimlessly calling it political witch-hunt and accusation (unfortunately they're still calling it same till today). Next move of GEJ in the full glare of the world was to order the sack of a CBN governor at such a sensitive time over a sensitive question that should have been handled with wisdom..

I put it to you once again, GEJ out of some pointless paranoia, basterdised his name himself.

Lest I forget, for those claiming that SLS was dethroned by God for fighting GEJ, if this silly theory is anything to go by, then what it actually means is that the disgraceful dethronement of GEJ was his own punishment for failing Nigerians.

IMASTEX:
The Nigeria politicians should be the worse hit because that is their looting money. Other Nigerians only read crude oil funds on papers

Politicians who already have enough funds to feed their 3rd generations are the ones you think would be affected most by oil price? When govt revenue drops and teachers in even primary schools can't be paid salaries, I guess it's the politicians that would suffer it.

edoairways:
This is Nigeria not abroad

Well, we were talking about what's obtainable abroad. The dude made a paedophilic statement and got arrested by Nigerian police, the OP of this thread claimed he was arrested only because Nigeria is a lawless society (since the guy had not broken any laws). I made a comment that in developed 'lawful' societies, a person who makes such statements online would also be picked up by the authorities, investigated, and placed on a sexual predators watch-list. In functional societies, they do not wait for the crime/damage to be done before they spring to action.

gimakon:
Exactly my point

Thanks for being honest about your family lineage... but dont go around assuming every other person is also intellectually handicapped like you and your folks.

gimakon:
Ganduje removed him with the help of Buhari. There is no way he's not aware. No one is that stupid... I dont know , except you.

Except your family you mean?.. Noted!

gimakon:
And you say PMB is not aware of the dethronement of SLS? This thing did not pass his table ndeh?
You can go, i do not need to waste my time with you. There are things you obviously do not know. Go buy biscuit chop drink water. You be small pikin as you just prove am now. Mxm

Okay sorry. Na buhari remove am.

Nelsonnwagbo:
Mehn dt cameraman na ugly

Is that all you saw?

gimakon:
I laugh when I see Buharis goons and Tinubu playing stupid and fucked_ up politics in the name of dealing with someone. You are stealing money and you want everyone to know that it is legal. And yet, Nothing can be Done. I finally give up on Nigeria.
Check out some of the people Buharis government is victimizing, one way or the other, they are called for good positions overseas. See Jona, See Okonjo Iweala, Very soon e go shock una, Sanusi will be given international appointments and he would laugh best ... as I see him laughing last already.

Time to get my passport once again and fine another country to go to. Fulani, Gandollars and their smelling politics has messed up my nation. Sometimes, regret being a nigerian is the only and only option that comes to mind.... I wish it was not so. Nigeria is the most corrupt nation in the world as it stands!

The way in which some people ascribe any and everything to Buhari can be really funny. What's the business of buhati in this matter and how did you arrive at this conclusion that buhati is victimising SLS?

APCNig:
Even Sanusi knows he is evil. The thousands of bankers who lost their jobs when Sanusi Lamido forcefully took over healthy banks will not rest until Sanusi goes six feet under the soil. He is now stripped nakked and on the ground, but he is going six feet under to meet his father Lucifer.

What kind of bizarre reasoning is this? How can healthy banks be taken over in the full glare of everyone?

edoairways:
I never mentioned op as paedophile rather you did. I didn't even mentioned abroad because their laws and ours are not the same. The accused as buttressed by op isn't a paedophile rather he was just joking. I read the content of his statement to relate to a normal way Nigerians joke with things but Daddy freeze mis interpreted that man's statement. I thought he is a preacher of the gospel, why can't he ignore like the way Adeboye and others do? It was easier for him to arrest that man because he was powerful but let same scenario happen to a preacher then watch his response.

See me see wahala oo! Please where did i mention here that the op of this thread is a paedophile?

Anyway you claimed the guy who made the lewd statement about daddy freeze's son was probably joking. Maybe you should try that same 'joke' abroad and tell us whether your life will remain the same.

edoairways:
That guy is not a paedophile are presumed by you or others. He only expressed his view by making fun out of the statement and picture Daddy freeze presented. A real paedophile don't post such comments on the media especially on public forum. What freeze should have done was to block that dude or report to the handler of the social media instead of involving the police. Freeze mess up, a suppose preacher who profess Christ and critics of preachers who condemns similar thing he just did. If Adeboye did this, he would be first to criticize him. I want to believe God decided to test him to see how he would tackle this issue

I never said the OP was a paedophile. But you too, since you believe there's nothing incriminating about making such statements online, since you believe the guy was arrested only because daddy freeze (a big man was involved), then next time you find yourself abroad, feel free to make such lewd statements about kids on social media and tell us how you fare.

chumakk:
You are talking trash. The only thing that can make you close to getting registered as sex offenders is when you commit sex crime or get involved in child por*n

Abeg you win!... Feel free to make tsuch statements in public abroad.

DMerciful:
He fought GEJ unjustly and because GEJ is an annointed one, all those who fought him are meeting the waterloo. Sanusi, Saraki, Kwankwaso, Dino, Atiku, Oshiomole met their shame. Amaechi and Tinubu have got it coming!

Lol... Jonathanians never give up on the wailing. These fellows will wail about this singular loss for the rest of their lives. Doooh!

This is actually a good development. SLS was just wasting away his brain sitting dressed like a clown on that stool. He should be in government.

Sadly, this is the fate of Nigeria. Federal character has always been a recipe for perpetual backwardness.