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I am a believer in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

What I don't believe however is that the EXPLOSION in the number of "Churches" in Nigeria has added value to the lives of my fellow country men and women. Crime is higher, public officials steal more than ever, everyone still want to get rich quick or die trying, "Churches" preach everything but HOLINESS, etc.

Like Sonny Okosuns once sang: Which way Nigeria?

True Christianity starts from within the individual as God doesn't live in temples built with human hands.

Shalom brothers and sisters.

Good you get my point, I meant Langley as in the three letter agency

Some of our people put themselves in that situation when they begin to "enjoy" instead of status first, the last two trips I've made to Naija (F Dora if she doesn't like me calling NAIJA), there was at least one of our countryman being deported.

God help us all.

Dapo,


There are installations you can't step into now if you're not a citizen i.e Ft Mead and Langley in this area. Upon entering those kinds of facilities, they will need your ID and once they determine you're illegal, they are required to hold you until ICE come for the pickup.
Some jurisdictions now make it their duty to verify IM status, one might not have to commit a crime before they get him/her is the point I am trying to make dude.

Some illegal people deserve what they get sometimes because most of them waste their time instead of solidifying their IM status.

This Dapo dude has no idea what he is talking about!

Since the Patriot act was enacted in 2001, 50 or any other law enforcement can ask for proof of status if they wish and once you're found to be illegal, they're supposed to hold you for ICE.

Why is your dad using an illegal Mexican to mow the lawn when you are there? You can't live at home for nothing now

Where is it stated in the Bible that Christians shouldn't drink alcohol or alcoholic beverages?
We must be very careful when we follow what others do or preach without verifying that with the Holy Scriptures.

MyJoe:
1. You, sir, don't see anything wrong with your assertion there is, or was, any university that no rich people attended.
2. Asserting that something you typed was not properly considered when being typed means I am speaking up for Chris Oyakhilome.
3. It also means I am from the same place as him.
4. You believe Mr Agbaje must be my boy, not because I have supported anything he has written in this thread, or his friend for that matter, but because I tried to point out the error in a particular statement you made.
5. Pointing out an obvious fallacy means speaking up for the subject of the fallacy.

That is your reasoning. Ok.

Joe: Would you have preferred if I wrote "Bensu" wasn't a University "intelligent" or "smart" folks attended instead of rich people?

I am not even sure the "subject" grew up in Ishan or what high school he attended and feel free to share those information if you have it and I'll see if I can offer further "analysis"
I give you the fact that no one wants to be Joagbaje's "boy", ya happy now
There was an "LOL" after "you must be from Ewu too" meaning it was a joke!
What is fallacious about a statement concerning the "majority"? Are you trying to convince me that "rich" Edo kids went to "Bensu" then? I am sure there are (and were) some that chose "Bensu/AAU" for one reason or the other.

Make you take am easy now,

Shalom!

MyJoe:

A most absent-minded assertion, but I guess you were just trying to make a point.

I don't get your drift dude or what was "absent -minded" about my assertion? You must be from Ewu too LOL

Your boy wrote earlier that driving a "citroen" indicated you were rich in Edo state and now you are speaking for bensu. pele pele oooo

paris10:
I know you're a die hard supporter of Chris, Jesus would have been happy to have someone like you to have supported him when he was on earth.
And to your Chris coming from a wealthy family, sorry to disappoint you, ehhhhhhhhh, no. He came from an average home brother. Do you even know Chris at all?

If Chris spends all his time praying for the world, does that leave you out of it? And when does Chris become Jesus who took the sin of the world upon himself? Blasphemy! And who's doubting if Anita's mum is from Switzerland or not? Coming from Switzerland does not make you a residence of such, get that brother!

When you said in those days (Citron), when in particular are you talking about? Having a Citron in the 70's and 80's does not make you a wealthy person! Do you know what wealth means? Wealth alleviates a community from poverty. It is passed down from generation to generation. A white man gets wealthy, he builts a community and industries, A brother gets rich, he builds a Church and buys rims for his own selfish gains, ok.!

Rich is something you could loose within a short period of time. Nigeria is still ranked one of the poorest countries in world and you're here babbling. IBB is trying to be the next President and you lot can't even do something about that. Frauds operates in Churches and circular places in Nigeria. Poor people dominates the churches, Pastors buying jets and building mansions and luxury cars.

Intercessors are straining their voices and still accounts for the poorest in churches. They don't get paid but Pastors do receive salaries (a workman is worthy of his labour, abi?) Churches no longer share the meats( your tithe is meant to be meat for the poor to share) equally amongst the congregation but instead build another branch (as if that would provide for the needy at hand).

Paris: you took the words right out of my mouth, these guys seem bent on putting their pastor on too high a pedestal, rich people in Edo state didn't go to bensu, if only for the fact that it was not the premier university in Edo but I digress.

You all need to put your attention and efforts on our Lord Jesus Christ not some man like you and I,



Shalom.

Image123:
So what? Good management and administration is not necessarily an indication that an organisation is from God. Obviously from your post, the founder is no more. It can happen to anyone, only God is eternal.

Haba, you wan kill the baba? the man retired not dead, goes to show you don't even stay current in your "industry"

Idonije is a Lagosian?

When will Nigerians stop this we're better than your tribe thing?

^^^ I am thinking Solomon's "temple" was built after Christ gave his life on the cross for our sakes, right?

Just wondering if there is a passage in your Bible that clearly states that our God does not LIVE in "temples" built with human hands, would be helpful to get a feedback from you.


naija-it: Do you still believe that after Christ gave us a second birth by paying the ULTIMATE sacrifice that you are not a "representative of God on earth"

What do you think is the significance of the Temple curtain being ripped in half?

If "Pastors" would preach the PURE UNADULTERATED BIBLICAL TRUTH, I doubt they would have half a house let alone a full house at every service.

It is not hard to figure out why they dance around holiness and sin thereby becoming more motivational speakers instead of shepherding their flock as Christ intended.

I guess Pastor JoAgbaje can't answer my question,

Follow Jesus Christ's examples and not that of a man like you and me.

Pastor JoAgbaje! Pastor JoAgbaje! Pastor JoAgbaje!

How many times did I call your name? Dude, I asked a simple question and you are going to come back with a LAME excuse in the form of a verse used to describe Judas Iscariot?

Stay away from the bottle my man if this is your best shot. I have never found a passage in the HOLY Bible where Jesus or his Disciples passed the basket around for offerings/tithes(the payers of which get honorable mention/shout outs/come to the front for special prayers).
If Jesus Christ did not do it or his Disciples, IT IS WRONG/FALSE, the man fed thousands of folks without offering, come on man!

Joagbaje:
It is not the place of the pastor to question people sources of blessing.The pastor place is to teach people the word. It is left for them to obey. But if a pastor gets to know , a member has a wrong lifestyle, he brings him to order by teaching,correction and rebuke. Don't add to the bible. Did Jesus question the offerings he received? He even received perfume from a known love-peddler.

Luke 7:37
37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that[ Jesus] sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

Why did Jesus accept perfume bought with Prost-titution? Where is discerning of spirit Of apostle Paul ?.Why do you guys just speak about what you dont know and acting as though you know something?

You are the one pasting lies here. The scripture you are quoting is not about tithes. Tithing is part of Gods plan for financial security for us. Tithes and offerings were instituted before the law. As long there is a high priest , there will be tithing. Why is your emphasis always on tithing what of offering? They go together my brother.

Pastor JoAgbaje: Could you please show us Scriptural references where Jesus passed the "offering" basket around

Those who advocate tithing as a Christian mandate are SCAMMERS QED.

^^ What has "wealth" got to do with Christianity?

To love this World is to , ?

My question is this:

What has Nigeria being a World power got to do with Salvation and Holiness?

Didn't the Bible WARN us about loving this World?

Nigerians never cease to amaze me.

Nigerians and their reasoning

The 1966 coup appears to be the closest Nigeria has ever come to a real revolution but the execution led to "issues" that still consume the country till today. Imagine if a "few politicians" from all parties, tribes and creed were "let go" then in the proper context of the plan, would a part of the country have lost "millions" of lives in the aftermath a few years later?

Many Nigerians believe they can be more useful alive than take a stand, pay the ultimate sacrifice and be secured a spot in "posterity", Heaven, etc. There can't be more than 5,000 people (so called elites) that has held the country hostage for 50 years and whatever remains of them will not give up easily.

Nigerians as a people appear to be "punks" when it comes to matters of this nature if you ask me.

Brilliant thread that should hopefully lead to some introspection among the faithful.

As Christians, we are justified by our FAITHFUL WORKS not by tithe, loud prayers, "speaking in tongues" or the like, we must abhor follow follow mentality or "MOG" worshiping because our God is a jealous God and will not share his GLORY with any " pastor, daddy, bishop, prophet, GS, GO, etc."

We must be very careful and "be wise as serpents but gentle as doves" because each and every Christian will have to "work on his/her own Salvation with fear and trembling"

It would amount to celebrating mediocrity, anyone who is 50 and still crawling like Nigeria is doing now ought to be shot.

Come to think of it, this guy could start a Church with his kids, with Churches begging for space in Lagos, this guy has to go MILES to his "Church"?

Wonders of Nigeria LTD.

Na wa for Nigerians!


Somebody asked a simple question and many came in with fingers on the trigger reminding him of what would happen to him if he dared cast aspersions on their "Church" and the "kid" in the UK who wrote the "Church was POPULAR even here in the UK"

Never knew folks select a place of fellowship based on popularity

Nigerians must start QUESTIONING "authority" in every aspect of their lives for that Country to ever find her feet because she's been lost for 50 years now, which way Nigeria?

^^^ Chukwudi44, Most of those husband and wife business centers don't represent the Pentecostal movement if you ask me neither do those ones with hidden(loaded) meaning images that we're supposed not to know about but thank God for the power of Google and the like, it doesn't take much time to research these symbols now.
Couple the image with how and where it is PLACED and you might have your answer without the need for further research. We have to be vigilant at all times because things are not the way they seem most of the times.


Shalom.

Nice thread I must say

There are a lot of images in Christianity that warrant crtical examination, take the case of the Cross for instance. You see folks wear the Cross every way possible and we don't ask ourselves if that was Jesus or one of the thieves who was crucified with him or those that went before them.

The dove features heavily in the pagan worship if one looks hard enough, Some of those "corporate logos" represent anything but Christianity.


Jesus is Lord.

Sagamite, nuclearboy, aletheia,, Some of these guys are so far into these "doctrines" that we can only pray their cases don't become TERMINAL.

The MATH is beyond their grasp because their pastor has to "travel a million times a year" even full time Pilots don't log that kind of millage throughout their professional careers.

[quote author=Demain_man link=topic=504283.msg6675006#msg6675006 date=1283285670]Very interesting topic. Sagamite, unfortunately we can do very little to change the mindset of mugus. Make God open their eyes to the truth and it shall set them free.

As long as there is poverty in naija and even for abroad people are desperate for changes to their immigration status, marriage, money issue (get rich quick mentality) etc. 'god of MEN' will be smiling all the way to the banks and to their private jets.

Me I do not need any pastor/prophet to pray for miracle for me. I can do it myself!!!!!

No ask me for tithe/seed becos I know go give! ( You must sow for them to "bless" you oooo) [/quote]Anyone looking for a "quick fix" without doing all the needed leg work deserve to get scammed out of their hard earned cash if they are looking for a miracle without working for one, that's my 2 cents.

MackDealer:
This title thing again!!!!!!!! First some controversy loving, non christian administrator thought this over flogged topic should be on the front page. Dumb Christians who can't see beyond their nose takes the bate and continue to bash each other.

Guys why don't you all think about this seriously, there is already many threads about this issue of tithes on NL so why do any admin think kokoye's new thread needs to be on the front page, simple all the non Christians love to see you guys make a fool of yourselves.

This whole tithe thing is very simple, if you give your tithe faithfully regardless of how or where you pay it to and it works for you or at least you believe it works for you then please continue to do it and for those who don't tithe and have not seen any side effects to it then continue not to.

I mean for how long will you guys continue this am right you are wrong thing, Faith is a personal thing but all I see here are people who thinks people who don't believe what I believe are fools!!!!   The tithemongers  wants everybody to believe if you don't pay the devourer will come into your finances, the tithephobia wants everybody to believe tithe payers are mugus

Guys y'all should give it a rest and let people do whatever works for them, shikena!!!!

Dude, you call God's Creations "dumb"? Maybe it explains your brand of Christianity.

FYI: Hits or contributions on any topic determines what page it is on, no admin is making adjustments to put Christians at war with one another, you need to check your self first brother man and see if you are on the right track

Shalom!

Tonye-tithe seems to be full of GAS when it comes to explaining this portion of tithe, dude couldn't wait to throw his lot with his brethren in crime but now might have gone to Greece to dig p some tithe supporting ancient scrolls, this image dude appears to be an "oldie" under a new name, maybe pastor jo agbaje can help 'em out.

Ola,


In your own mind, what is "Caesar's" and what is God's?

It is bad to use our Lord's own words out of context or to buttress your lust for money, greed is not a good thing.

Don't mind all these so called NL Pastors,

After God, it is your PARENTS, The office of "Pastor" in today's Christianity is up for debate as it's been turned into what the Bible never intended in these end times.