₦airaland Forum

@TayoD: I am not saying anything about any group. In Islam, I am a Simply a Muslim. There is no hyphenatedness in my belief. In the Qur'an and Sunnah there is no Shi'a or Sunni or others. There is only Islam.

@Havila: Your three in One concept proves that Secular Academics, like Medicine, is not indicative of Spiritual purity and Smartness of The Body and Soul. How can 3 be 1? Indeed, your educating your Ph. D. Candidate younger brother and now your not being able to reconcile with clarity that 1 and 1 and 1 added together can never be 1 again. Most importantly, is that God does not have to come to the earth to learn about anything, because He is Perfect, All Powerful and All Knowing anyway and all the time. If He did not know everything at all time, then there is your sign of deficiency and imperfect (Oku die kaa to). God is alway Complete. He created man in the first place without any prior example and gives man his form and his nature. I must let you know that you christians, the group in question on Nairaland, have sold God short and this is an evil thing. God Who created and will judge man does not have to come by the way of His Angel Gabriel breaking the news of the prgnancy, resulting in the birth of Jesus to mary. God does not have to be in the womb of a woman, virgin or not and then be born withall the guwwie things that comes with birth of a child. He does not have to make a woman suffer for Him, suckle from the woman and be nursed from helplessness to youth. Then go through the process of living as a youth to young adult and then adult. Finally at 30 declares a ministry and then in 3 years be killed humiliatingly, as you christians claim! Within the 3 years was tempted 3 times by Satan, even with promise of food, to be given dominion of the earth, to jump off from a ledge andask God to catch him (from the last part, you will see that even Satan in his evilness know the difference between God and Jesus) etc, etc. At the same time was hungry enough after fasting that he was delutional to have cursed a figtree to wither because it did not fruit, even though it is off season! Throughout the life of Jesus, he lived and fubction as human and other prophets (AS) before him! There was no miracle that he performed that there is not a comparable miracle that has already performed by a prophet. The raising of dead was done by Moses in Suratul Baqarah! In all, all those who were raised have already died, again. It is very clear that God the Almighty Who created Jesus and all is capable of controlling His creations without the aid of even His Angels. He does not even need to make a person suffer before He forgives another! If any of these is present in Him, then He will not be Perfect! Functioning like any human, eg eating because of hunger and meaning live, using the bathroom for # 1 and 2 and even need of sleep are all for mortal beings. Jesus was one. In the long run, Jesus will come back to live out the remainder of his life and dies! That's reality!

@ All the Christians: The 12 Iman is the concept of the Shia! This has nothing to do with Qur'an or Sunnah/Adith of Muhammad and the way of his successors. About the Muslims copying Christians in the conduct of wedding. For me, I will never copy disbelievers if the protocol is against Islam. Further Nigeri alway want to copy the Europeans anyway. The Wedding process of wearing dressgown and suit and all is European and has nothing to do with christianity. aFTERALL, YOU AND ME KNOW THAT jESUS WAS NEVER MARRIED, SO THERE IS NO example coming from him. Saul/Paul was married afetr his 'so called serendipity'? If he was, how was the marriage performed. If he did not, then how can you claim what was European make up for the religion of Christianity? In the same breath that we in Islam do not claim all Arab culture or others as Islam ic. There are tradions that are unique to each part of the world. If it is good and is not opposing Islam, one can practice it. But Islamic culture is good and wholsome. It is not alway Arab.

@Davidylan: Where do you come from in Yorubaland? The problem that you have is that you hate Northerners of Nigeria. Yet Islam is not exclusive to them alone. What is it that is eating you. If you continue like this, my the time you are middle age, you may be comorbid. Yes, I know your mother is a Doctor and maybe you are studying Medicine as well. But do you want to be a patient? This is a terrible goal.

@Mrpataki: From my name, you will know that I am aYoruba. I am deeply rooted in its tradition and culture, as long as it is not against Islam. Hopefully, you will remember that the Nigerian civil war was during the leadership of Christian Northern and Southern powerful. Gowon got married to Victoria, a woman from Asaba. The same people that his rule was fighting. He spent over 1 Million pounds. That was more than 2 M BPS. I want to also remind you that Adebayo, who was the chairman of the supreme headquarters was known as Baba Showambe; drinking more than a Bumble Bee. (O yo bi iru. If he sees you bottling your pee and you then hand it over to him, he will drink it). Shagari and co., were used in my piece to you that wealthy or elite (educated or influencial with a tange of soffistication) acquire or emite, always the living good quality. Thus the expression Olowo lagba.

About lizard, vulture and other horrid animals that you listed, being consumed by Muslims, do you have a proof? Then show it. I am sure that if there is no Muslim in your extended family, then there must be one in your village. I am assuming that you are from an isolated forrested village in the Yorubaland, because of your fibble thinking! You will find that Davidylan or who ever originated this evil idea will not be able to support it. Islam brings people to higher level of consciousness, from darkness to light. In Ondo town, it is known that their delicacy is Dog. This is why they call them Olokili. But the Muslims will never eat this animal. Some part of Edo and Bandel people and others eat Monkey. The Muslims among them will never eat it. The Yorubas eat other horrible foods, yet the Muslims will never eat them. I have no problem with Pigs as created entity. I just will not eat it. You are what you eat and that's that. Most importantly, God commanded that it should not be eating in normal circumstances.

I love young women. I am sure that at my age, if an 18 year old woman, who is matured and very wise were to marry me, some people will say that she is too young. Yet, yesterday, in the News in NYC, a 14 year old girl gave birth to a child to a 22 year man. More outrageously is the father who performed insexual relation with his own daughter, for so long and them she got pregnant and deliverd twins. Do you want me to go on? Please do not remind me of the Homosexual acts that the catholic priests are having and even pedophiling with boys! This is a major scandal in the west, specifically in the USA. Have you ever heard the expression that when America sneezes, the rest of the nations of the world will catch a cold. Of course, Africa is in permanent cold and do not have to wait for the ocassional sneezes. Europe is doing that. The Nuns are performing abortion and burying feutus in their basement and cellar! Please do not make me laugh.

Aisha (RA), was not a 7 year old. Nor was she from a poor family. Her father was Abu Bakr (AS). A millionaire or billionaire of his generation. Aisha was not sadden nor did she resist in the least. Infact, she was engaged to somebody, for many years prior to the proposal to marry her from the Noble Soul, Muhammad bin Abdallah (AS). The engagement was cut off because her father became a muslim and the suitor and his family were still pagans! Hence, they did not want to have anything to do with Muslim woman or Muslim family. Now, it is well known that Abu bakr was the first free male who is matured to accept Islam. He was a friend to the prophet and was just a year younger than him and they both were trustees of a charitable organization, even before revelation began to come to the prophet. Aisha was born before Islam and the proof of it is that there is no children born by Abu Bakr after he accepted Islam. It was the second year of Hijra that Prophet Muhammad and Aisha consumated their marriage. Now follow my analysis. Aisha was born before her father accepted Islam. Muhammad and the Muslims spent 13 years in Makka before Migration to madina. Then it was the second year in madina that the husband and wife consumated their Marriage. A simple addition, without factoring in how old Aisha was before Islam began/when her father accepted Islam the very first year, indeed immediately. You will find that she was 15 years old, at the least. If you then factor in that she was reported to be either 4 or 5 when her father accepted Islam, then her true age is between 19 and 20! How do you come up with this 7 is beyond me. Rather I will not be terribly surprised if you can explain it, in just the same way that you can explain the December 25 celebration day, when it is very clear to everyone that Jesus was not born in that season or that particular date. A true misplacement of event date, but stobburnly clinging to it because of unfettered arrogance or is it because of impurity in the hearts of the leadership of Christianity. I think the masses the world over should at least say something, unless they fear tremendous oppressions.

In all my years as a young male in Nigeria and the many visits that I have made to it since my migration, initially, for Education, it is not all Yoruba food that I eat and I do not have every food from other ethic groups in Nigeria. Here in America, there are lots of food/dishes that white, black and other groups eats that do not do it for me. I wil not starve myself to death though. Alhamdulillah, it has not come to that.

Again stepping into that expensive mess is indicative of your heart condition towards those people. Afterall, you are not blind. Others did not step into it before you did. maybe because of your arrogance, evil pride in your heart, you had your nose in the sky, then the Justice of the Most Just came on you. This is a wakeup call for you. But many of mankind will not hear it.

When you read the Qur'an and the adith/sunnah and the life history of the Prophet and his followers, all you find is inspiration. If your heart is not harder than stone/rock, it will be easy for you to cry/weep. I read the Bible already. I went to christian high school. I was married to a christian woman. I have pator/reverend as friend and roommate in the University. My mother was a christian until just few years ago.Alhamdulillah, adana Islam. I thank God for making my fee firmly planted in Islam and then converting my mother in her old age. I am working on the few remaining in my mother's bloodline and unfortunately, the few that a just a beginning trend in father's family tree. This had nevre happened before and it needs to be cut off.I guess they find christianity to be a feel good in all kind of weather thing. Just believe in the hanging of an innocent soul and then do whatever you want. Be shameless, man. Be shameless.

In Islam, we are commanded to clean the outside and in worship, with time the inside will be clean. How can true muslim be dirty, comparatively to none muslim under the same condition?

@Dayokanu: KKK use the Bible to do their deeds> If that is not christianity, then I do not need the Bible or Christianity. Of course, you know thatI donot need it. In my university days in West virginia, the Senior Senator, Robert Byrd was pelted with food when he came to our school. Please know that the Bible was used to fortress te trade of man known as Slave trade. Whites still use the Bible to discriminate, even today in America. In the Bible, you have Conniness of Jacob over his brother Esau, the support came from their mother against their blind father! In the Bible, Ichmael who was a child was discriminated against and sent away with his young mother into a desert and was even called wild! This was the first son of a prophet who God Himself called friend! What a book and what a religion! I am trying to imitate Davidylan in his slapstick tirades. Boy, he is good> No wa o.

@Havila: Mutamushiki is not in the Qur'an. It is a term coined using the original word Mushrik, which is in the Qur'an in all its form to describe a later group like John Esposito and others who hold scholarships in Islamic theory but never practice and always wanting to bring Islam down from the honored place that God the Almighty Allah has placed it. You know that they will never suceed. You Havila, do not have any qualification to be called a Mutamushrik. Plainly you are a Kufar and Mushrik, for now. You book of life is not complete until death overtakes you, so there is hope for everyone alive.

@Mrpataki: Unfortunately, you convolute Islam with traditional culture. Parhaps, you should not have forgotten that not all hausas are Muslims and not all Muslims in Nigeria are hausas. First, will the elites and the wealthies in the Muslim north behave as you have indicated? Will the southern Muslims who are elites and/wealthies have the same characteristics.
Now to the poor that you are so much engrossed in their lives; They are prooning themselves and have the decency to wrap their feaces so that it will not smell up the place or that they do not allow the flies to get to it, which may in turn get to them and their food, since they are still in the vicinity. Maybe, they have this waste wrapped up to that they can later disposed it off properly. There are many maybes here. But is so important is that they did not leave this mess exposed and improper for the eyes to see. Funny enough, you step into that mess. Thats heavy! God knows your heart and he exposed you out there in the north, travelling all the way from the south to receive Justice!
If a person who is weathy and has the means to live a good life, then lives like the poorest of the poor and he ascribe it to his religion, then blame the religion. You will never find this in Islam. I am a Muslim and I am from the south and I have seen many southern none Muslims use the bathroom and come out like a dog, not cleaning up properly. Yes, I have seen many who have acquired the Islamic process of cleaning up as well. Here in America, there is the trend among people now to eat halal meat, because it taste better. Fortunately for you, all Nigerian slaughter apart from your Pig meets the Islam standart of slaughter. Will you find Shehu Shagari, Dantata and people like them in the way tou have described the poor Northern Muslims. Would you not see a none Muslims from the south behaving worse, even in the slums of Lagos? Make you dey talk tru ol boy! The last sentence is really trying to be funny, so don't take it seriously

@Wumine: Amiin to your prayer.

@Davidylan: Just for the fun of it? I am sure everything is for the fun of it, which includes your religion and the way of worship. Sometimes ago, I said to one of the individuals who claimed that he was a muslims and then converted to christianity, that he wanted to join the 'feel good club'. You definately proof my statement to be true. Yes, I am a slave of God, since He is my Creator and calls me a name that befits His defination of me. I am not ashamed to refer to myself as a slave of Allah. See, He is not like the humans who oppressed each other and curtail individual freedom, now does He allow you to have ubfettered freedom, which may infring on others! The term 'subhuman', is used by white people on black and others around the world. Still they continue to use it today, even in your deep freeze Rochester, NY. All of that chemicals from Kodak is probably dangerous and makes one delutional. I can see. Subhuman is a term that Muhammad (AS) by his Lord eradicated from the normal lexicon of the Arabs. By Allah, Muhammad led the Arabs and indeed the Muslims around the world from midnight darkness to Afternoon light. If you see any muslim behaving badly, if he/she were not a muslim the behaviour could have been worse. If any none Muslim have good behaviour, he/she would be better if were muslim. Such is the blessing that his life presented to mankind. Subhuman, that belong to your thinking and mouth and those who are like you. In the past, I stayed away from you, but now, you need thorough education and it is in the classroom or the professional live alone. You need somebody in the home, in this case I will do it from afar.

@Kimba: Inna Salati, wa nusuki, wa mayaya wa mamati lillahi, lasharikalalah wa bi dhalika umirtu wa ana awalul muslimi. All my prayers and asking in reverence, all my living and my death is for the pleasure of Allah. There is no one in partnership with Him in His Lordship of Majesty and I am the first to declare my faith in submission of my will to Him in Islam. Alhamdullih adana Islam. I am grateful to Allah Who makes my religion, a way of Submission in Islam. I will never bow or Knee or pray or beg or supplicate or any objectification in lordship to any but The Almighty Irresistable Allah. Jesus, never, Muhammad, never, no one! You hear me? Those who do or do completely reject Allah the Merciful, yet they dwell on His earth, under His heavens and keeping alive by the sustenance He provides to them, drinking and eating and clothing and sheltering and breathing the air that He already had metered out and it is precise, both groups will find that there is no helper apart fom Him! So, when I am ready, I will take you on and go to your profile. You can do the same chcking out my profile as well. In January, you will hear from me, God willing.

@Backslider: Long time. How is Ghana treating you. If I have to take your word for it. Which part of the Bible should I read that is written or dictated directly by jesus? Should I then read the"According to" memos or statement or stories from a man who could not give his full name? This same name did not tell us the chain of his narration. How far down the line he is from Jesus and who are between him and Jesus. There connections and trustworthiness in how they got the story from Jesus. Anyway you should know that Jesus was not a Christian and never built a single house of worship and did not tell any to build after his assension.

Just because Islam of Muhammad came 600 years after Jesus does not mean that it is wrong or that it is disconnected from the Islam of the prophets before him (AS to all). Allah says in the Qur'an that He has completed Islam on Muhammad and his followers, alive with him. This tells you that Islam was, before it was completed on Muhammad. You will find this verse in the beginning part of Chapter 5, Al Maidah. Muhammad says that he was the answer to the prayer of Ibrahiim after Ibrahiim and Ismail built The Ka'aba, in Makka. This is in Chapter known as Ibrahiim. There you will find the prayer. Also, you will find in the Qur'an where Allah says that He took a covenant, as a oath from the Prophets, Jesus and all others back to Adam (AS to all), that when His Messenger comes and if any is alive, hearing that this Messenger has started his ministry, will they aid and support him. They all said yes. The sign of that Messengership is that he will confirm in the same light what has been given to the prophet who is alive is given. So in the case of Jesus, Muhammad defended his mother's Chastity. His immaculate birth and his many miracles. This include his speaking just only one time to defend his mother's honor when he was a child still in the cradle. This include him saying that his death will be a peaceful death, unlike the ghastly tragic death that christendom assigned to him, which woulde have accursed his soul, the true intention of the Jews wanting him to die through crucifixion. This include the big lies of the christians saying that he is god or son of God, etc.  You can read Suratul Mariam and others to learn about these truth. Please stop all the nonsense. If you want to remain in Christianity, continue, you will find out at the point of death the consequences of your choice.

@Davidylan, Havila, Babyosisi and co: Its unfortunate that all of you are deluded to the point that you are unable, because of your hatred of Islam (this hatred means nothing, though), to differentiate Islam from Muslims. They are two different and separate entities. If there are no human Muslims alive, there will still be Islam.Islam means submission. This include all that are created. It includes Jinns, Man and all animals and plants and Angels and all that are within the earth and heavens and beyond. All of these are muslims if they submit their wills, naturally to the Lord Who created. So when the Fig tree fruits because of all the natural elements and conditions for it to fruit, that is Islam. The book of Islam is THe Al-Qur'an itself with exegese of expalantion of it in deed, action, speech and allowance in the Sunnah of Saidina Nabi Muhammad bin Abdallah, Al Hashimi (AS).

You judge Muslims by these above. You do not judge Islam by the actions of the Muslims. For what is good can be deadly or implemented wrongly by an entity. This implementation is wrong and it is the entity that you blame, not what is good in the first place, which remains good, regardless of less than stellar costodian of this good. I will blame Muslims who do evil. I will not blame Islam, in the sense that if this people who have this good religion do bad, it means that they were very horrible in the first place and their hearts are hard. Can you then imagine if their religion was not Islam in the first place, how horrid they would be? A proof of this is the condition of the Quraishi of Makka before Islam. Islam softened their hearts and united them into one brother/sisterhood. All kinds of hostilities and evil actions and ways that were normal amongst them was eradicated. Inshort, they became reabilitated and became the shining light of the world. The renaissance of Europe and indeed, America is a daughter of Europe, was because of Islamic influence. This was when you had a few pockets of good Muslims.

I judge Christianity not by the action of the christians, expectially, if that action is contrary to The New Testament, the part that Jesus is claimed to have said. Even if only that the Muslims have given the Christians a fair shake. However, I judge Islam and Christianity and all other religions by their books, comparing and contrasting, employing good sense and sensibility and what the heart and soul could reconcile with.  If you think that we should judge Islam by the action of a society, especially, when it is tantamously opposing what is in the Qur'an and the Sunnah and the Hadith and the actions of the four Kullafah Al Rashidun (Abi Bakr al Sudiq, Umar Khattab al Shariff, Uthman bin Affan and Ali bin Abi Talib Karama Wajjah (Ussafullah), RA). Killing is not widely advocated in Islam. It is done to enact justice, in all cases, which is necessary, sometimes to keep a just society. But there is always a thorough judicial process. No one, including the judges and scholars who fear God and aware of the last day, will want to take a live. The live of all, man and animal are precious. This is one of the reasons that muslims are commanded not to even be involved in sport killing of animals. You kill animal for food, not even for its other valuables, which are actually secondary.

I was with friend just within the past two day, in a conversation, one of them said that some of the "soldiers" are going back for more than one tour of the war on "terror", because they are happy to have the chances and carte blanche to "Torture". After all, these people are less than human. They are Muslims, men. They are bunches of Ragheads and camel riders still living in the stone age. Lets kill them and bomb them back to the stone age, even further and we will make an example of them. They hate our freedom. They hate our christianity. They do not believe that our God died and rise in 3 days, from Sundown Friday to Sunrise Sunday! What a load of crock!

The african christians taken the cakes and the lead of hatred of Islam from their European brethrens. Yet, they do not have the mutions to wipe out the Muslims in Africa. Just imagine their action with this type of hatred, if Davidylan and co, I am trying to spare Havila the embarrasement because of his "HUmanitarian profession", will visit on the Barbaric Northern NIgerian Muslims, they call all kind of names. Oh, yes, they will tell the Southern Muslims to convert to Christianity or die. The same action that the Spaniard engaged in the Inquisition and to be followed by the Europe Unity led by the evil Vatican leadership in the many Crusades to Jerusalem. It is in this light and baseless mindset, devoid of any true knowledge that the Nazi Pope was able to quote an old fable from a lying Emproror, who could not tell his audience, when, where, how and with who (whom) the dialogue that the christians are eager to use against muslims took place.

I am sitting here, listening to Dr. Wayne D. Dyer on PBS. He was lecturing about The Power of Intention. However, he mentioned many religions, including Zoroastic religion. But he did not mentioned Islam in all several hours he spoke. He quoted the archievement of the Wright brothers' in the so called first flight in South carolina. But he did not realise, because he would not read anything about Islam, even though he will go as low as Buddihism, etc, that Allah had spoken about the ability of Mankind, in due time, with knowledge will be able to penetrate the sky. Today, you have Airplane, the space shuttle. But who know what will be descovered tomorrow? All of it is already in the Qur'an. I personally, do not care what the Christians or others say about Islam. I am very satisfied with Islam. I am unsatisfied with myself and the muslims, by and large. However, you will find a pocket, here and there of Muslims who are striving on the path that has no ambiquity.

@Babyosisi: When Havila was happy that I am going to be awy, by his Phewwww!!! response, why did not you raise objection? Anyway, this is just to lighen your hearts after making it heavy. I pray that every one of us, mankind all over the world, will receive guidance from Allah, The Only One Who can guide, before our death. That we die on the platform of true belief and good deeds.

@Havila: In the chapter named Mary in the Qur'an, Allah the Almighty says that all the disbelievers (None muslims) will be herded like cattle (the cattle being herded to graze or drink), into Fire of Hell. In the chapter named The Height in the Qur'an, Allah says that those who are dwellers of Hell will be asked if the Promise of The Lord of the World is true. They will say Yes, it is true. Havila, I pity the soul that perish without the Mercy of Allah. These are the Souls that deny the messengers of their times. In our present time, we fall under the group of mankind who have Muhammad (AS) as the Messenger. This period from the time that Muhammad (AS) declared his prophethood to Mankind and it will cover the end of time. Believe it or not, it will not change the decree of the Most Powerful and His punishment of the evildoers (This includes disbelievers as the chief of them and the hypocrites, etc), is true and will be hard!

If you think that you have done your folks who left Islam any favor, you are completely wrong. I pray that none of them have died on the path of confusion you have led them. I pray that they will come to see that you are a test/trial to them. This is a clear way that the evil one seduces mankind. I pray that you do not die on the believe that Jesus is going to save you. In the day of Judgement, Jesus (AS) will be very concern with his own soul. Can you imagine the kind of difficulty that you people in Christendom have heaved on him, claiming him to be god by some and yet some, son of god! You can even agree on a version of fantastic delutional fantasy of lie! Yet, you have the Jehovah's witnesses saying that he is no more than a prophet. Further, you have the latter day saints saying that Joseph Smith and some angel Moroni is continuing Jesus's mission. Then where is Saul/Paul in all of this?

On December 20, CNN will present a program titled, After Jesus, the First Christians. The trailler indicates alot of violence. You need to watch it or at least delegate Davidylan. In one of your early entries, you said that the dead sea scroll explained away the authenticity of the verbatim, (Word for word) of the Bible. In a program that Dr. Reverend James Kennedy, of The Coral Ridge Hour (www.crm.tv), presented to discredit the Davinci code, it was declared that the dead sea scroll has nothing to do with christianity. Now I will like to see you get out of this one.

If your religion, with all of the 'Brains in academic and worldly achievents that you always believe that is exclusively belonging to the christians, the large military and economical advantages over the Muslims, (The group and religion that you hate so much), got it all wrong and have failed to correct it through the ages, the Birth day of Jesus. I wonder how many complex matters in religion that you have wrong. Infact what do you get right? Jesus never built, participated or commission or command the building any house of worship. How do you people arrive at a place call Church? How do you chose the name christians and christianity? Oh, since Jesus had nothing to do with it, it was some one or group of people who coined up that name. Oh yes, I forgot, they are "Inspired" What an easy way out. And please stop quoting to us the Corianthian, Galathian and the likes. It shows the depth of your confusion.

By the way have a good Sunday!!!!. Also have a happy 'Merry Christimas'. Do not eat too much Swine. As you know, you are what you eat. As a Doctor, you should know the tremendous amount of potential desaster and deaseases in the Host animal that you love to eat that much. For an Epidemiologist like you to be stingy even more than Ijebu people ( I am an Ijebu man, so I am not discriminating against anyone, but myself and that is impossible), then you deserve what ever you get from that filthy meat!

Havila, you know I still love you. Phewwww!!!!

@Havila: Nice try; Phewwww!!!!. You write as if you are in the Brain of Jesus Christ. But really, you are not. Since Jesus did not write the New Testament, and it is your cleque of "Inspired Writers" that you claimed do the deed, then Jesus can not be factored into any of your 'Opinion'. Unfortunately, thet opinion becomes a personal matter. No wonder you go about trying to play Reverend Father. I am trying to be funny here, giving you an opportunity to use your marble.

Now that we know that you do not have direct information from Jesus, your god or the Millennium Baby Jesus in Diaper, then it means that the 'jammat' are always winning. Afterall, we have a Book that have not changed since it was revealed. There is a full text of explanation of each and every verse. The man who received the revelation in his life time had over 100, ooo men, not counting women and young! Every aspect of that religion, he practiced it and there were witnesses to every one of them. He participated in the building of houses of worship, each still remained to this very minute. No wonder we have a true leader who will recognise every true believer in the day of Judgement and then seek intersession and get it, InshaAllah.

Compare this to your all made up and still making up religion. Can you imagine what other things you get wrong if you can even be correct in the date of the birth of your god! Yet everyone of you follow it as Fela Anikulapo said in his Zombie Song, Jo oro ja ara jo oro!

By the way I met one of your Ife boys. His name is Nurudeen Lawal. He is a Cardiologist. Does that name ring a bell? I will tell you more about him and his statement about the Qur'an. I think he finished about 15 years ago or so. You should know about him.

@Lafile: Unfortunately, most mslims are not truly practicing Islam. The majority inlace their culture with Islamic culture. The Islamic culture stands on its own and different from 'arab' culture. Muslims are not to be so emotional that they are bent out of shape, loose them ability to think unemotionally but logically. Islam emphasises preservation of life, human and animals. Muslims are not allowed to kill for sport except to eat and must show mercy to the animal. Muslims are not allowed to cut trees in a process to creat disadvantage in life of rivals. How the muslims after the passing away of the last prophet (AS) and his companions and the subsequent 2 generations that immediately followed is something we gravel with in Islam. However one will see this new condition of the muslims from the fulfillment of adith of the Prophet (AS). He said the muslims will divide into 73 sect. But the true sect is the one that practices Islam in the way of the Prophet and his companions and the 2 following generations. There are many other adiths as well. But all of these societal ills amongst the muslims around the world, is not preclude any right thinking person to choose any religion other than Islam. In the Qur'an Allah the Almighty said in Suratul Almaidah that Islam is perfected on Muhammad as the last prophet and any who comes in the day of Judgement with any other that is different from Islam, it will not be accepted and that one is a loser.

I hope this write up will be a beginning of guidane to those who have heart.

@Havila: The world means and includes the earth and its planetary system and other galaxies and milky ways and even what the human has not discovered yet, etc, etc. It also include the heavens and all that is beyond it up to where the hereafter begins. I am only concerned with this right now.I am still alive and struggling with things of living, in worship and all human activities. Trying to do what is permissable and avoid all that are not. Now when you limit God Lordship away and apart from all that He created, including Satan itself, then I summit to you that you are not aware of the awesome power of God. So it is very easy to see how on one hand that you will call Satan lord of the world and even have in your religion as if to conclude that Satan struggled against God and I do not know what! Is there any creator other than God the Almighty? Who do you think created Satan or are you going to argue with me that satan was not created? Am listening, Havila.

Now about Bush. An alcoholic is always an alcoholic. Please do not forget that he is still part of the Alluminate and other European based cult and fraternities. Is this how a born again is? What about thou shall not serve God and marmor. If this is how christianity is defined, you people may as well go back to the african spiritualities. At least you will know what you are doing. It will not be like when you thing you are eating real meat and some body has testrized soybean to Tofu and dress it all up for you. In actual fact, he has played you for a fool and yet you do not know even as you eat it and the cooks are laughing in the kitchen.

Finally, stop going to Roman, Corinthian and the like, even acts. Of course, you have to because everything is by'ispired writers', who can even use their one full names. You may consider that to the superiority of preserving Holy Book that is written down even as it is coming out of the mouth of the receiver who it is impressed into his heart. Yet it is memorized not by a few but all and used in all living life activities and it remains in the community, exactly up to today and will be protected exactly the same way for up to the last future generation of human. In this case, the prophetic statement of Jesus applies; 'not even a jot will be changed'.

If I do not response to any of your responses for a while, it is because i am travelling and I will be very busy. The year is ending and there is tremendous activity, alway around this time. I will response whenever I have any chance to do so. In the maintime, I pray that God the Almight, the Creator of all, bless you all and protect your hearts and lead each to the path that is straight and the true way to receive His Mercy.

Since God the Almighty does not have any son, because there is no need for Him (God) to procreate, a trait of human anyway. So to assert that Jesus, a prophet, regardless of the miracle in his birth and all the miracles that he performed, all of that amounted to nothing more than a human. However, he was a special human. You will remember that he even ate, slept, got tired, deficated like every human. From the animal kingdom, the termite's worker and soldier is produced in the same way that Jesus was produced by his God, The Almighty. The termite soldier or worker is from egg that the male sperm is no deposited on, it is unfertilized. Today, you have babies being produced in all forms of ways without male and female having sexual activity.
If you analyse the creation of Jesus, is it more miraculous than the miracle of the creation of his father, Adam or his mother, Eve? Remember that Jesus even came from the womb of a young woman, Mary and thgere was a pregnant term and then birth with it are the placenta, after birth, the water broke and the blood!
With this above, you will realise that anyone whoever takes Jesus as a god, has really assigned falsehood to Jesus. Hence the person ia worshipping a false god. Trully a pagan because there is a prophet (Jesus),and a book that he came with, but such a person has cling to the untruth because of acceptance of wrong defination of Jesus drwn from a corrupt book. THINK ABOUT IT. Can God handle all the affairs by Himself, just the same way He has been doing it before He created Jesus from Mary?

@Davidylan: I guess the butt of people like you should have been whipped while you were youngre. To do that to you now will damage you. As regard to Muhammad (AS), every body alive who has any brain at all will tell you the focus is God in the way that Muhammad worshipped God. Afterall, the chrsitian are worshipping Jesus in the way of Saul/Paul, even though both of them walked the street of Palestine! The Muslims woeship God not Muhammad. The Christians worship Jesus in the telltale ways that Paul msade up after Jesus had followed even the rules and laws and the book of Moses, a prophet that came earlier than him among the chikdren of Israel. Davidylan, do not you see the wrong way the christians are pursuing  as I have just explained here.

It is true that your grandmother could have said that very simple and merciful thing that even from your heart is common sense. Fortunately, it has a prophetic wisdom in it and yes, your grandmother did not say it.

@Babyosisi: When you said that you are committed to 'expose' Islamas fraud, I must ask you what do you mean? What do you know about Islam? Nothing, that's your answer! Islam is very deep and is not for those who prefer fantasy to reality. In Islam, you have hard part and easy part. It is all about life, what and how human give the right that God has over us to Him in His Majesty. It is how people deal amongst themselves and the enviroment, living thing and non living thing. Even when you slaughter an animal there is mercy shown to the animal.
The prophet (AS) saw a man who was sharpening a knife in the full view of an animal that he was going to kill. The prophet had to tell the man to show mercy on the animal by not killing it twice, the sharpening of the knife in full view is one and then killing it is the second time.

When you learn about Qur'an and the prophet (A) and his companion, then you will know that your knowledge about this noble religion and his last prophet, who Allah the Almighty completed the process and injuction of worshipping Him by mankind, I hope you will then have the humility to seek forgiveness. Islam is not a fade and not a man made organization. It is a revealed religion which its very name are derived from Salaam, an atribute of The Creator and Silm which is submission. Ibrahiim said it as part of a prayer in Suratul An am. In Suratul Araf, Musa (AS to all) in supplication to God says he is first as a Mumiin in his time or among his generation. Please do not take up a load or responsibility that will drwon you. The Constantineemperor who the Nazi Pope quoted did not tell us the name of Muslim scholar he was debating or the response of that Muslim scholar to his off the wall statement of falsehood. You need to realise that there was no debate, really the emperor as usual was in delusional and made this scenario up to complete his empty but evil argument.

I am very sure that if the dialogue had actually taken place, there would have been a proper response from the Muslim scholar. Just like the usual Christian tactics, always lopsided, no fairness. But the muslims will allow you the opportunity to present your viewpoint and then disect/break it down, brick by brick.

@Davidylan: If you are aMuslim, for sure, you will see aclear and distinct qualitative improvement in your life! For sure, you will have more shame and you will be bashful. These are part of faith/belief in Islam. And by the way, all that you listed above about women, for the most part, those restrictions are to protect the women from shameless Paraia like you, who probably will catcall every woman in sight. But yet will not want their own women to be demeaned in the same manner.
Do not tell me that if you hear the sound of a woman's shoes, especially when it is loud, you never want to see whose shoes are making that sound. In Islam, men are supposed to seek safely in God from Satan and its trick and them seek forgiveness. You see, men and women are encouraged to be bashful, but we are not restricked to at least look, because in some instances, you can not avoid the first look. The second and more are the temptation and suggestion or trick of Satan. Then you openly lie about what Muslims eat; Vulture and the like?
Davidylan, be real. We muslims can even eat pork and drink alcohol if that is the only way to preserve life from perishing. This is the Mercy of God on the Muslims. Everything has its prevailing conditions and the special circumstances where the rules and laws can be suspended, if only temporary.

Then if Jesus is your role model, act like him; Turn your other cheek and he never get married, so you have no business getting married. He never abrogated Moses Book and the laws in it. So why do you people eat pork and all kind of filthy things. Why do you your men shave your face and even wear earrings, openly imitating women?

@Babyosisi: I just can sit idle about and let you pass Bush as a religious person to us! Bush, who used to drink like a fish up until 1974, and even now the jury is still out. Further he was a member of skull and bone and other hardcore fraternal order in the like of Brekenbreek and others to include Halumenadee, with their secret codes and handshakes.

If this type of individual is your role model of religious personality, then no wonder. Bounty of Jannah is more than human mind can conceive, considering that this is the place of reward as a favor from the mercy of the Almighty God. Wrap yourself up in Berqua, my girl and postrate your face in humility to the Irresistable Lord of the world. You have no help but He, alone!

@Gidig: That's truth. They are remembered for a long time for their dedds: Lies, fantasies, embellishment, overtly distortion of truth, racist behaviour, drunkenness. All of that and more is how your hero Mel Gibson is defined in America. His father too, was one of the biggest racist, anti jewish individual of recent time.

@Havila: When I see your name, I often get amused. I will get excited, with a little bit of smile. Then i will say; Havila, otun tide. Baba, with his hard nosed analysis. I am sure that if we meet, even with this intensity and difference in position, even Davidylan will get a cheerful greeting from me.

My respect for Jesus, meaning Isa bin Mariam (AS) is because he is a prophet of the Merciful Lord. Allah says about the prophets in ending verses of Surah baqarah; There is no discrimination between the prophets. From Adam to Muhammad, there are between then notable prpphets like Nuh, Ibrahiim, Musa and Isa (AS).

You are using greek to discredit the Al-Qur'an? First, the Bible is not revealed in El Greco, even you can use the Bible to discredit the Qur'an. It will be as if using Taurah to discredit the Sabur and the Sabur to discredit the Injiil! Muhammad (AS) said in an authentic adith, Instead of the Taurah given to Musa, my Lord gave me a certain portion of the Qur'an, then another certain portion of the Qur'an instead of Sabur and yet Allah gave me a different portion for Injiil of Isa ibn Marian. My Lord Honored me above all of this by given me yet another certain potion in addition toall of these. For example. when Suartul Fatiha was revealed, it happened that it was revealed all in one shot. 70,ooo Angels accompanied Jibril to delivered it to Al Hashimi (AS)! That is heavy. Suratul Fatiha is a complete Dua (read it and find out. Its only seven verses). The rest of the Qur'an is the answer to that prayer of the Surah.

How do you justify your response, by quoting Corinthian of Paul/Saul. Did not jesus of the Bible provide full detail/answer before he left, that you need this Saul/Paul guy to give you answer. Surprisingly, gbade.x stated that Jesus came and his ruling renders THe Old Testament and its Laws arcaic/not viable, non applicable. You also state it the same by your writing. How then you quoted Genesis with a straight face? From the above, using process of elimination, Roman and the rest of them are handiwork of Paul, you quoted only one verse from the the Gospel Mathew 5, 2. In academic setting this will be about20% at best. What is that in Nigerian University? In America, apart from situation where curving of the class mark are applied, it will be a F, at best if curved you get a D!

The truth about Qur'an is that you have never read it. It is only read in Arabic. The rest is translation, what it may mean. I know better. If you think that you know marriage life from the Bible, tell me about your example? Those prophets who are married , most them you criticised. You do not even believe they are prophets any how. Jesus was not marriedand he did not give you any example of marriage.

My father (ra) married more than one wife. Infact my mother was his last wife. From the marriages, you had many successful men and women. From VC, to many engineers, law Legal professioners and successful marchants, from general tradings to specialized fields. All I am saying is that marriage is a union that is like business, written or implied agreement. In all there is a rule of engagement. Divorce is very common among the christians, even as they say till death do us part. There are Muslims who have just one wife and do not want any more. In all Islamic marriage is more acceptable than christian marriages where the man has one wife, but a girlfriend for every day of the week!

By the way, my senior wife is an Egba woiman. So I am not only interest in igbo woman. I love pretty and exotic women. I only have relationship that is Halal, within Islamic ruling. There is no adultery in my life. You have not provide me with a good argument. Quote directly from Jesus. But of course, you do not know what Jesus said. The best you can give me is 'according to' from your unknown author.

@Davidylan: I had responded to you in another thread. You repeat the same weakness again, even as I had encouraged you to copy our mutual friend/brother havila and look at the behaviour of this young man gbade.x. Have something to say,even when you ask question, let it be thought provoking. American education has changed some. Yet I have a brother who went to school in Rochestter.

Now, if I have to put on the same game face to answer your 'Most Unfortunate" response to my advice to you, I will then remind you that if I were from your family and you talk to me in the way you have consistently did; then it will not be surprising that i tell some other family member who is older than you but younger than me, since you always say that I am suffering the 'middle age and gray hair syndrome, to give you a good family beatdown because you have no home training. You are rude to the shamelessly naked point that you could talk about your parents and your refusal to accept their gentleness as you had described iabove. It really proves the yoruba proverb that says: Nimu Ikoko dudu ni eko funfun ti jade. But you are the reverse of this, rude and unabashful. For these two reasons, I will stop responding to you until you trulu improve. I do not need to get involve with you because it is negative all the time.

There are some of those animals that are eaten not because of religion, but cultural. The Yoruba christians, (Kiriyo, Please laugh) too, eat all of these. Muslims under compelling condition to preserve life can eat pork or if they are forced to doing it, as the Israeli Soldiers did with many captured arab muslims in the wars and incursions between them. I know because i had friends who were officers of the IDF who told me this atrocities. The evil within the hearts of men. Not that i am saying that the muslims do not have a lot of improvement and adjustments yo make. But you Kiriyos always thing that the christians never did any evil, you always turn everything to politics, ethnic race, but never religions even as they fight their own kinf as in the old Yogoslavia, or in the current CRUSADE!

@Davidylan: As one man to another (I wanted to say as how one friend playfully says to another friend in happy time, when that friend is saying jibberish/not making sense), Go se daun, you no dey say notin. Na quesoun you dey ask, everytime.

@gbade.x: Have ever tried to apply the same methodology to your viewpoint of Islamic Books; Qur'an and Hadith. I want us to stick with this principal and then we can ask one another core questions; The muslims will ask the Christians how is it possible that they still believe that the whole Bible is 100% as it was bits and pieces of what was revealed to each prophet (AS); Moses, Jesus, David as standard example? Before you answer you must consider that in this same Bible you have a verse which can be paraphrased to mean; the pen of the scribes has changed the words from its place (s). Please you must explain this to us. How do you get your explanations? Did Jesus explained the Old Testament, differently what what moses said, because in your statement on this page, you seem to explain away that jesus rendered the Old tsetament obsolate/not essential any more in law and commandments, etc. If this is so, why do you still have the Old testament in the Christian Book, if its obsulate. Are the Jews aware of this move and okay with it. If Jesus finished every thing why is a need for paul to jump in, especia;;y when he says something and dubiously says that he is not saying it, but it is jesus that is saying it. See Havilas entry about marriage explanation to me about where he claims that Marriage is without the options for 'irreconcialable difference, that really means divorce'. Let use the Bible to explain the Bible!

Then we will use the Qur'an, directly from the mouth of the human authority on Qur'an, Muhammad bin Abdullah (AS)


@Havila: First, I respect Isa bin Mariam (AS) of the Qur'an. You have traces of his description in the Bible. But there is an embellishment to the extremity that a figure called Jesus in the Bible emmerged. It is this falacy that all muslims disagree with. This is the crock of the matter. In my half asleep state, no REM state, I ask you to explain the calculus of the yearly percentage of reduction in the muslim head counts and when do you think it will become Zero. You do know that you dey lie. I borrow from Fela, who you tend to tell us that you like, even as you quote his lyric very badly. It is a generational thing and/or you did not enjoy College due to your heavy course Load in at Ife; the chorus is Tell me story o. (This is to joke with you. Loosen up, dont be tense, man)
You see, in marriage, people come with their different and separate experiences. You put 100% of yourself into it. You persevere and patiently try to do the best and see issues from your partner's viewpoint and then yours. Men rule if he knows how to make the woman feel that it is a true partnership. At the same time, woman is the real ruler, because she keeps the family together, but she is smart enough to make the man feel that he is in control. Havila, Islam allows devorce so that no one is imprisoned in a a situation where they are not 100% truly committed and feel that there is a better situation. Also, Islam allows men to marry more than one wife, for many reasons; it was an on going tradition before the Islam of Muhammad. This islamic injuction did not start it, but limit man's to 4 wives at one time and allows divorce instead of hatred, etc, between spouses. Read the Qur'an, you will find many chapters on women, name;Mariam, matters of life; The woman who argued, family issue; Divorce, and others. Tell me, do you have something comparable in the Bible. In the Qur'an, you find responsibility ofman and woman the same in matters of religion and responsibility is definately emphasised, where there is a need for difference, women are elevated and respected. If there is a divorce, man is commanded to deal justly and do not inflict any emotional or physical damage or undue advantage. The primary care taker of the household, which include nurturing of the offspring is lovingly assigned to mothers. There is an adith that says the path to paradise is under the foot of the mother. Another says that mother is to be given three times before father. In inheritance, mother gets shares, always, before father and the whole male is encourage to care for the female member of the family. Lets take ethnic culture out of the equations, lets deal with religious culture. Islamic culture is definately, separate and apart from Arab culture, African cultures, etc. Give me your answer.

@Havila: Assumption, there are approximately 6.5 Billion people on earth today. There is about 1.5 Billion of them who are muslims. let then understand that there are 180 countries out of about 184 that you will findMuslims. Lets use countries which have small population of Muslims, eg Russia, China, Equador, America, Norway. In these countries, since the infamous 911, are the Muslim population growing, remaining unchange or dwindling? You tell me. Do you want to talk about England, or where? You want to talk about your country, Nigeria, probably you are an Ekiti man, we can talk about that. If Islam is already in Igbo land and growing, Alhamdulillah inside and outside Nigeria, do you know what will happen, 100 years from now? You are not making any real sense.

You think you know about Jesus, you do not beause your concept of him is off the chart! You know an entity when you give the acculade that is due to that entity, without deminishing or adding to it. The Jews reduced Jesus to nothing, but the christian exaggerated hisposition. It is Islam that honors him even defending his mother!

Islam allows a person to defend his/her honor, when necessay. At least when you need to verbalise your defense do so.

Unfortunately, some say that they do not have to do that. But they are the ones to fir Tomahawk from their mouth and even go to preemptive strike/attack. I am being very proverbial here. They do it as individual, group or country and ethnicity. Theirs are the 1000 years of domination plan! They say an eye for an eye is cruel, because the believe turning the other cheek. But will tey do it? Have they ever done it? Instead, the are the one to strike you first, forcefully I may add and then instead of an eye, they chop off the head from the neck! What a load of hypocracy1

On CNN International, yesterday, you find a White American Professor from University of Wisconsin having a view that is different from the norm on 99. I sometimes wonder what is the tuth, really. In all God is the Knower of all truth. He knows and sees all things, complete in His Might always.

@ Belloti: May Allah the Almighty continue to guide all of us. May He make your path and your conduct in the earth pleasing to Him. May His Light shine upon you and your family and all that you Love. May Allah reward all your efforts and blot out all your sins. In the day of Judgement, may you be considered as a Sahabah of Muhammad (AS). Amin.

I have thought of stopping wasting my time with this back and forth madness. If there is a topic, people will almost go into tangent with their entries, ibstead staying focused on the topic, regardless of being for or against it, state you relevant views and there is no need for confusion. No one can change the mind of a person in the matter of religion. Allah says that He is the One that can make anyone a Muslim or not, being the Only One that knows the heart.

You will think that having been matriculated in a highly specialised descipline will at least provide some window for people to research out information about issues that are domain to our time. To talk about Al Qur'an, one needs to know about the collection of its verses and the whos, whys, hows, wheres and applications within the Muhammad (AS) and his companions (RA), men and women, all of them together.

Allah says that 'And I did not creat Jinns and Mankind, except that they Worship Me" The African Christians, especially the Nigerians have taken their hatred to the extreme, that it is bordering on Madness and completely out of reality. The only reality is God. It is He alone that we should put our trust in, while we should fear His punishment, but we should know that His Mercy abound and He is ready to forgive, always.

Allah says in Suratul Al Imran , verse 81, that He took covenant from the prophet who He gave a book and wisdom that if His Messenger comes, while this prophet is still alive and the Messenger is preaching and confirms what is given the prophet (authetic information and wisdom given ti the prophet), will the prophet believe and aid the Messenger? The prophets all said yes. As the covenant of God is binding on each of the prophets (AS), God is the Real Witness on each of them, Musa and Isa are part of these prophets. It is no wonder that when Umar (RA) picked up Taurah to read and find relevant information that conformed within the already known information within the young Muslim community (We must realise that if Umar had gotten any information from the Taurah and that information was new and contrary to Islam, Umar would not have been happy as it was the description of the state of expression in this case).

But the Muslims, Umar included, had in their mist The Messenger Muhammad. He was given then fresh and current information from God, it was then incumbant up them not to source out information from what is old and have had entries of corruption. No wonder that the Messenger was unhappy and surmoned the community together where he told them that if Musa were to be alive, and he knows that Muhammad was preaching, Musa will hurry to Muhammad. Musa will have no shoice in the matter except to follow the leadership and support the ministry of Muhammad. This will definately apply to Isa bin mariam (AS to all of them)

In AlQur'an, Allah, joined Muhammad name with His Own Name; Muhammad Rasulullah. We need to be sincere and if we can not write thought provoking material to support our view, then lets leave it alone. Regardless of our effort, Allah (GOD) is alway incontrol.

@Havila: Are you for real? Did you hear from any muslims, ever that Muhammad (AS) ever cut or other self punishment,ever? You said you are a Doctor, think like one. Your thinking is very narrow and almost as narrow as a single ray of light. For an ordinary life, who all of a sudden say an angle, in his full angelic form, occupying the whole horizon, will be shocking, to say the least. After the first revelation, did you ever hear that Muhammad (AS) had any unusual behaviour that does not befit the office of Prophethood? He lived 23 years from the first revelation to the last. Please Havila, you will be wasting every right thinking person time if this is your style. If Jesus were to have been alive when Muhammad (AS to both) was preaching, Jesus will have no option to follow the Messenger of Allah. The same rule applied to Moses (AS), as well!

I will give you the verse in the Qur'an that provide this information by The Lord of All things.