₦airaland Forum

ocelot2006:
Please do tell how "capital intensive" nursing or being a hospital porters is? Are the requirements for these roles equally or more stringent than that of Medicine & Surgery? Do you have any freaking idea how difficult it is to become a doctor (and this is coming from an engineer)? You folks in JOHESU need to get real cos there can NEVER be any equality between you folks and Doctors. It is the simple reality. Wake up.

is it only nursing nd hospital portals dt mk up johesu? besides u hv no idea on d rigors dey go tru in bcoming one as u do nt hv a first hand experience in d training demands in these professions u term a walk over

greatehis:
rubbish.... is like telling some one who studied accounting in the University to receive more wages than a chattered accountant... professionalism in Nigeria is taking lightly. until your relation is sick in the hospital and there isn't a doctor to tell those idiots what to do, then your brain that seem to have been use to fry akara will find its way back to the empty skull. All my relations abroad buys as low as panadol with them when traveling back because they wont find a pharmacist to just walked in and demand for drugs unless a doctor recommended prescription. Go do you findings, no pharmacist or its likes can ever understands what Doctors are trained to do. forget all those stupid argument. they are help-meet. if you where trained to hold the leg for me to successfully work on it, do we have the same training. i work as an accountant but not chattered, but i have learn to respect the chattered haven gone through some of the classes. if you want to be a Doctor go back to school and stop this parochial argument. when we were young, when u see a Doctor you think they are next to God and are pride to any family were they are from. where did this political JOHASU nonsense came from? After reading microbiology like someone who read philosophy for 4 years you want to be addressed as Doctors and receive their salary.... you must be mad

since u re comparing d nigerian system with what's obtainable abroad which is d best practices, why shld u just tk a one sided analogy dt seems to favour d med drs if u ain't biased in ur submission. that place u re making comparison wit, dey hv clinical pharmacist which d docs here wldnt want, dey hv consultant nurses nd pharmacist aswell which d nigerian med drs re opposed to hving here. infact if we cn operate just as their health system is operated, i do nt think there wld b disharmony in d nigerian health care system . nxt tym try nt b biased in ur submissions. as regards ur analogy terming oda professionals as help meet fr d med dr is faulty. they re rendering their services to d pt nd nt d dr. u shld go get a street person to hlp u do d job dt oda professionals render nd pay dem frm ur pockect if u want sm1 dt wld serve u while carrying out ur duty as a med. all professionals re employed by d govt to serve d pts nt med drs

ocelot2006:
You want to place a Nurse/Porter on the same salary scale as a Doctor?

Have you ever heard a Constable/Private (Rank and File) earn the same salary as a Superintendent/Lieutenant (officer corps)

Or craftsmen/technicians earn more than degree holding engineers?

JOHESU's demand is simply absurd, and borne out of out greed and jealousy. It takes years and huge capital to become a Doctor, even far more than most professionals. And they are given far more responsibilities. Yet some folks from Nursing school want to earn same pay just because they learnt how to use injection. Nonsense.

it didnt tk oda professionals years and their training wasn't capital intensive? hw ignorant can one b nd yet spew trash in confidence

bornolowu:
lolz.... heart surgeries are done in Nigerian my dear, (also neurosurgery) a pivate hospital in abuja, lagos . However, the fact that they are not done doesn't mean that they will done by non doctors and that is a very unbrilliant analogy . Your second analogy is more intelligent but as you have said, I refer to senior colleagues, they are colleagues, you are not colleague my dear.. ophthalmologist will never refer any case to you and I hope you know what that means.. I don't have a problem with others beaing Word consultant sha because it's in some parts of the world however not those other demands fo chist sake.... salaries should also be increased for everyone and that's very important considering Nigeria's present economic state and this tallies with what NMA wrote

d question was specifically to u. since u are a med, u shld b able to provide all d services a pt dt comes to see u needs na. u re d alpha nd omega as u knw it all or didnt dey teach u evritin in your 6yrs med schooling? just to enlighten u a bit: an ophthalmologist wld refer to an optometrist. it's just plain ignorance i see in ur submission. i bet there re ophthalmology specialty in orthoptics, low vision, contact lenses or u dnt knw some pt need these specialized services provided by consultant optometrist in those areas nd dt sm pts visual functionality depends on dem? let ophthalmologist agree to a separate optometry dept in d hospital since we re nt colleagues. why do dey wat us wrk in same department if it's not an attempt to suppress the practice of optometry in nigeria. i dont knw wht dey feed u guys in med schl dt mks u see oda professionals as nt good enough in carrying out their services in which dey re trained nd backed by backed by law to perform. pls take tym to find out abt d training of other professionals, educate urself on wht dey re trained to do bfr u start disseminating wrong info to d public.

bornolowu:
are you telling me you do surgery for retinal detachment, do u do glaucoma surgery, enviseration, or vitrorenal surgeries?? Please educate me.

do u carry out those surgical procedures u listed? do u do heart surgeries aswell? but u a med dr? why cant u ? this is a pointer that health care requires inputs frm different specialist/ specialty nd nt a one man show. not every pt dt comes fr eye care services require surgery or wld be needing the services of an ophthalmologist. i carry out an eye exam on pts, mk a diagnosis, treat or refer those dt wld b needing the services of an opthalmologist to dem just as u mk referrals to ur colleagues specialized in an area ur aint specialized in. so u c dt health care isnt a one man show but requires alot

bornolowu:
the fault with this is that a laboratory scientist cannot make a diagnosis (trust me there are serious conditions that require the expertise of a doctor to diagnose ) a lab scientist is not trained enough to make diagnosis ...same for a radiographer etc.. for example optometrist own stores everywhere where they claim to treat eye conditions, but unfortunately, they can only cut you glass for refractive errors . They direct the patient tto go meet the ophthalmologist . There is no need duplicating profession. As it is everwhere in the world, if you want to make diagnosis, lead a department o hospital, go to the university, study medicine and surgery as same goes everywhere in the world, nigeria will not be different.

it's very obvious u re ignorant as u do nt know d difference between an optometrist nd an optician. go use google nd den, come bk to edit ur post.

bornolowu:
the fault with this is that a laboratory scientist cannot make a diagnosis (trust me there are serious conditions that require the expertise of a doctor to diagnose ) a lab scientist is not trained enough to make diagnosis ...same for a radiographer etc.. for example optometrist own stores everywhere where they claim to treat eye conditions, but unfortunately, they can only cut you glass for refractive errors . They direct the patient tto go meet the ophthalmologist . There is no need duplicating profession. As it is everwhere in the world, if you want to make diagnosis, lead a department o hospital, go to the university, study medicine and surgery as same goes everywhere in the world, nigeria will not be different.

you are ignorant as to who an optometrist is and what an optometrist does. the problem with most nigerian med drs is ignorance. i am an optometrist and i don't work in stores but in a clinic. i attend to a pt seeking eye care services from start to finish. as in the tradition of d med drs, u guys hv fought so hard to suppress optometrist in govt hospitals and hv most relegated to just refraction, refuse to hv optometry interns in govt hospitals wit the hlp of ur colleagues dt re CMD's, therez no career growth for those in govt practice cos dey ve been forced to b under ophthalmology department whereas optometry is an independent profession. guy use google and educate urself on who an optometrist is and wht dey are trained to do. there are also specialist areas in optometry and we hv consultant optometrist as well as u hv consultant meds

MrBigiman:
It's already that way dude. Moreover a nurse cannot be specialist in Oncology, she makes no single decision the specialist does. Even if she has spent 20years, a Senior registrar who has spent 3 yrs in oncology should earn more. A Doctor trumps every other person in the hospital, the hospital was built for him and patients troop in to see him. All other thrashy workers should do his bidding or resign. If they want to be doctors they should have passed Jamb. 90% of Lab scientist filled in Medicine at one time or the other for God sake, so also 98% of male BSC Nurses, the non graduate nurses went to nursing school because they were too dumb to pass Jamb, today they want to be on the same salary scale as Doctor. Pure stupidity!

a pt goes to d hospital to get health care nd nt to see d med doctor. if it were just to c d med dr , den his/her visit shld end in the consulting room nd needless sending dt pt to d laboratory fr tests or pharmacy fr drugs. d nigerian med drs hv labored past yrs to stifle growth of oda health care professions fr selfish reasons nd not cos dey hv d interest of pts at heart and not recognizing health care as multidisciplinary in line with global best practices. being a med dr is not al dts needed to render health care to pt's hence d nid for oda professionals to serve d pt nt d med drs. Ego is d problem of d average nigerian med dr. U re a med dr to render ur services to pts in line with ur trainin. allow odas do their part in line with their training without interference. i believe with tym we wld get tinx right in dis country nd den u ll realize dt u re in d hospital to wrk as oda health care professionals nd nt to lord over it

AlvanT:
I really don't dig the mentality of people living here.I roll with people that think like me,mostly brought up outside the east environs.Those kind of people are few here bro.

ok connect with those u feel are like minded wit u nd create a gud relationship wit dem so u can hv persons u cld pour out ur hrt to nd share ur burdens wit instead of keeping it all to urself. best wishes

AlvanT:
I'm busy enough already, another issue I have to deal with is that I grew up in Lagos but settled in the East,I have a hard time adapting to people here because if you don't think and behave like them,you'll be treated like a subclass human. Socialising is not much of an option,and psychologist's services are way pricey nowadays Bro.

why's socializing not much of an option ?

you were informed wrongly that such would have your eyes damaged. both prescriptions would work for you. making lenses without the cylinder to correct d astigmatism is cheaper than having it ; not that it would damage ur eyes. that's a misinformation

AlvanT:
For years now I keep having this suicidal thoughts and I think I'm losing my grip. I don't know how to keep fighting it and for how long more...

I have gone for MRI scan and discovered I have a concussion probably as a result of a head trauma I had when I was a kid,but I do not think that might be the cause. I've suffered depressioned severally and have gotten over it.I'm thinking I may have bipolar disorder,hopefully not cos if I do I may as well die now cos I don't have money to treat it.lol

hi there, please seek the help of a psychologist. try to engage in activities to keep you busy and u'll hardly have the time for such thoughts. surround urself with positive pple, open up to dear ones on what u re goin tru and do those things that make u happy

going on strike isn't d best way to go about this. We hv an insensitive govt dt wldnt care about the impact of such action on d populace.

kushlord:
I attend winners ooh, but that was xactly what came to mind too.. I mean wen doc say person don die u need go confirm for another hospitwl 1,2,3,4 Am disappointed

he was taken to taken to four diff hospitals; was rejected nd was later referred to LUTH being one of d four hospitals dt askd he be taken to d mortuary bfr his area pastor instructed he be brought home. i fellowshipped there yesterday

NNAMDIII:
good day sir, please can 200k be enough for glacauma surgery in a good eye hospital in lag? Please sir i need an urgent reply

what kinda glaucoma surgery re u goin for?

there's no doubt that health care needs funding; but without addressing the issue of fund misappropriation in these institutions, there will be no much impact still even when sufficient funds re made available. secondly, it's funny seeing people calling for an increment in taxation as a pragmatic approach in addressing d so called fund insufficiency problems facing public health institutions without considering economic realities in the country and the impact of such on the average Nigerian that receives a minimum wage of 18,000 naira in a country where d purchasing power of money is low ( re these persons expected to feed on grass because they want better health care?) I'm of the opinion that these institutions can be well funded by the govt and if funds made available were used judiciously, these hospitals would be in a better state than as it is. lastly, there's no excuse for not being empathic towards your patient as a health personnel but it's unfortunate we have many health professionals who chose to be there for the wrong reasons. Empathy is an integral part in rendering health care services . lI ve come across a thread here where a nairalander i presume to be a Med Dr termed patients as goats....it was shocking; now tel me if such wouldn't give cold shoulders in emergencies?. The reason many health professionals play god in public health institutions is cos they find themselves in a country where there re no mechanisms in place to hold accountable those who do not act in line with professionalism in d course of discharging their duty.

hibiscus76:
it's been settled

better

hibiscus76:
he didn't learn well.. I bet you he was taught

oh really? i guess u made dt out of assumptions

it baffles me seeing most persons that commented were after the error made by sm1. ur attending a good school dt afforded u being able to use english rightly; is a privilege life gave you. if u had been in dt guy's shoes, u wldnt hv been any different. just b thankful and nt mock persons dt may nt hv been opportune as u were.

typical african mentality. u want an increase in pay not because you feel the pay isnt sufficient but because doctors and other health professionals are paid higher.....i m sure you would be very well satisfied if dey decide to reduce the pay of health professionals even without an increase in pay of the engineers in national yth service. pull him down syndrome displayed by most africans is wht i c in ur agitation. ur agitation is borne of of comparison nd envy not because u actually want a better welfare package for engineering grads in yth service. enough of the comparisons; if you want a higher pay, den give sound reasons why but coming up with reasons as doctors re paid higher hence u re deserving of a raise in pay during yth service is actually dumb

Emycord:
THEM SEE THIS GUY WITH HIJAB AND THEM NO CATCH AM EVEN WITH THIER GUNS NOW THEY WANT ME TO USE BARE HANDS TO CATCH SOME THING WEY DEY BITE. JUST FOR 3M ? THESE GUYS NEED TO SEE MY BANK ALARTS O. WELL THERE IS THIS NEW WOMAN THAT JUST PACK ENTER FOR ONE HOUSE NEAR MY OWN SHE LOOKS LIKE A MAN COME AND CHECK IF ITS SHECOW

ur comment is just too funny.

Mosunbabe:
I started feeling an itch in my left eye about six days ago and after 2 days....my vision became blurry and up till now I can't figure things from afar or near but can only picture the image.
Have been using "Ocullerg" Eye drop since 4 days now but the blurry vision is still not clear. Cc: optm and every doctors in d house

any other symptom like pain, sandy sensation, photophobia , tearing, discharge, rash , redness aside d itching nd blurryness? any history of smting entring the eyes dt could hv precipitated it? hwz ur systemic health prior to d onset of itching ? i suggest u nid to visit d eye clinic asap as ur vision is already declining

emperormossad:
No matter the acclaim by all other health care workers about a so-called re orientation, th truth remains clear.
If you want to treat sick people, simply put medicine and surgery in your jamb form.
Put your head down and pay the price.
Then come out as the certified professional capable of treating people.
Sick people come to you for possible solutions to their problems.
If a health care team, the medical doctor remains the leader.
Of course health care is diverse, considering the myriads of man's life and his illnesses, but the doctor remains the go to guy.
I've never seen anyone coming to the hosp to look for lab tech or sumfin.
They first hit the gp.
No pretender will come in through the window in the name of treating sick people.
Jamb still dey.

lolz.....i m glad pple do not hv to go tru d md before seeing me. i consult from start to finish as my profession affords me independency nd guess what ? my patient's addresses me as Dr nd i use d title at my will. need i tel u some of my pts re med docs as well.....lolz. i guess u re still a med student or a wanna b right? u knw dt ego of i m a med student, most brainy to b in med is whts at play. #reality wld dawn on u soon..lolz

emperormossad:
Are you aware that the generator man is also part of the medical care?
Is he a doctor?

honestly i do nt get wht u re driving at. hw can d hospital function without power? yes for the pt to get optimum care, d generator man is part of d team

emperormossad:
You take osa herbals. True or false?

how does this relate to the topic here?

emperormossad:
Young man, lemme make it clear to you, just incase you forgot how our education habitat works.
You wanna be a doctor here, get into a recognized uni and read MBBS or BDS. Anything outside that, you're on your own.
Of course there are doctors in other fields. But a medical doctor, no be here.
Sick patients go to the hospital looking for a medical doctor to see, not some lab technician or warever doc of whatever they call demselves.
Shikenah

i dnt need an Mbbs to be a doctor . enjoy d provision ur profession makes for u bt ur opinion do nt count as regards who should b recognized as a doctor . secondly sick pple go to the hospital to get medical care nd not to c d med dr. health care has evolved

emperormossad:
Jeez. You must be a patron of osa herbals mixture. Right?

how do u mean?

AuroraB:
Ode ni gbogbo ebi e. Doctor afo nsi
Na so one of una wan run person hospital down go dey Cataract surgery. Iriot. Doctor gbuokwe onwe gi there
Akpo gi Doctor gi as, okwaya
Gerrout

that wouldnt b an optometrist. optometrist re professionals nd hv a regulatory body. an optometrist in nigeria would nt carry out a cataract surg on a patient but refer to an ophthalmologist for that. a model employed in gambia to eliminate blindness caused by cataract (as there wz shortage of ophthalmologist) was to train some non health personnel whoz job is to do cataract extraction nd d model turned out effective# puttin d pple first bfr professional ego# ...all i c in d nigerian health setting is needless ego frm d various health disciplines....one wanting to outdo d other nd claiming superiority.....#nigerian health workers needs a re orientation on wht health care is abt

MrBigiman:
He very well has earned the title doctor. But the OP using the term Medical Doctor started the problem.

oh ok . i misd that in d post

AuroraB:
You can only assist an Ophthalmologist, that's if he needs you in the theatre. No be so
I'm not dragging your Dr.of Optometry with you. You are no GP either.
Ciao

optometrist re independent eye care providers .... yes there are cases we refer to an ophthalmologist, gps or neurologist......health care is multidisciplinary

AuroraB:
Oshey, personal blogger.
I dunno this fellow and so does so many others.
How's an Optometrist a Dr.?
He fit scrape Cataract comot?
He's not even an Ophthalmologist, if he co.e become one no? We go run comot Nigeria for you and him

sorry i m an optometrist nd hving an O.D degree (doctor of optometry) m nt here to start dragging issues. hez earned d title nd he decides hw he wants to use it ....tired of most naija meds docs mentality......# bottom line is , hez a doctor nd i neva saw anywhere he wz addressed as a med dr...

Ebonygift:
yes. thanks

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