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Irrespective of what the ACF, Northern Youth or any group are saying, there will be an election in about 30 months time in which Nigerians from different parts of the country will contest for the Presidency.

kingzizzy:
You are talking about the days when we had only one dominant party, PDP, which decided where power would go. Things have since changed. You dont seem to understand. There is a movement currently going in the North for the North to retain power beyond 2023. ACF and the Northern Elders Forum have already backed that move. There no single Northerner or Northern group that has backed any power shift to the South come 2023. It is only a blind man that cannot see that the North wants to retain power beyond 2023 and PDP can see it too. That is why PDP is most likely going to field Atiku. Should APC field a Southerner, you will witness the North desert APC for PDP that allows them to keep power.

Why do politicians still contest for elections if they believe that one man (Atiku in this case) can not be defeated?






Even Atiki himself doesn't have this level of confidence.

Bendeco2020:
For atiku to gather such amount of votes in 2019 against incumbent president supposed tell yorubas somtin if they are wise.


Some yorubas are even assuming that without north that they can gather enough votes from middle belt... Who even told them that any Yoruba man can win atiku or gather more votes than atiku in middle belt?..

Excuse me bros,

Why all these bitterness? The OP didn't even mention Igbo, why are you bringing Igbos into his PERSONAL opinions about the politics of 2023?

Asgard13:
One idiot is busy campaigning for Ameachi wey no sure of his next hour... as a human

The headless Yoruba man still Dey carry igbo man matter for head ...

What about his Yoruba people ?

The honest point about this particular full is that h understand the fact that Yoruba people haw been thrown under e speeding truck... and by the criminal apc government

Oga on top Ameachi and igbos ... Yoruba go wail till 2024 and wake up in political oblivion.

Till then igbos will support igbo President not ... “Igbo” President wey Dey dash igbos...

Igbos are not that desperate for Nigeria President like some tribe in Nigeria that everything begins and end with President

Ask those regions and tribe how far?

Na then still they host poverty and illiteracy epicenter

Op campaign for your Ameachi and leave igbos out of your illusion

In all these pictures of the Earth taken from the outer space, where is the Devil and the demons? At least they aren't in Heaven.

So how was the man supposed to know that she didn't give consent when both went out to socialize and got drunk?


For a lady who traveled all the way from Nigeria to UK to meet and stayed with a man, what does this suggest?

J111333:
..."According to him, they had consensual sex, twice. The 1st being after they were both drunk, only for her to tell him the next day she didn’t give her consent to the sex they had"...






The above statement alone will get him in serious trouble. When she is drunk, you ain't suppose to sleep with her especially when not in an established relationship.
Guys be careful and know when to abort mission. Control your prick, don't let it control you. Yea it can be hard and strong but e no go break for sure.

Even if Tinubu drops dead today, there will still be problems in the APC ,PDP and other big parties.

There's no big political party, especially in Africa that doesn't experience stages of crisis but as we mature in the democratic process, certain crisis will fizzle out.

Exclusive101:
I tot Ipob / Igbo claim Tinubu I'd the only problem in the APC n once Oshomole as been removed no more problems.

Have you seen any presidential primaries in which only politicians from a particular tribe or Geopolitical zone participate?

It hasn't happened since 1960 .

DiagnoPolitics:
He will contest against other Igbos like Rochas, Ngige, Nnamani. Whoever wins should take the slot as long as the ticket is zoned to the East in the spirit of equity and fairness.

You are correct sir.

Now that we have a formidable opposition party, the APC will not want to put itself in a disadvantaged position by presenting a candidate that can easily be defeated by the PDP.

OPPPS:
Sincerely ask yourself if the people from SE will cast their votes for Onu/ APC or you just want to make the next presidential election in 2023 as no contest for PDP

Dr Ogbonnaya Onu has an impressive resume.

However, I don't think he is running for the Presidency in 2023 and if he is running, do you think he can win the presidential primaries of the APC?

Whiteangel1234:
we shall demand south East Presidential Ticket from the APC the ruling party . better start putting forward a solid argument because if APC zone to the South only the South East have better argument based on Equity and Justice

But this should be good news for you? Isn't that you have always wanted?

Simplyleo:
Okay.

But then, should there be any wailing about him getting crumbs? Or are you jealous of him because of the crumbs?

What is the way forward sir?

SanusiGworo:
See how they're re-branding this agbero.

This thug would become Lagos governor and there's nothing Lagosians can do about it.
Meanwhile, former Daura recharge card seller Sabiu Tunde Yusuf is doing Kyari's job but Tinubu's daughter gets a job as market leader. Iz alright.

Atiku2023 will solve the problems

SmartProf:
Very surprising. Plants should be built where there is proximity to the major raw materials, so why is the southeast not the proper location for this project? For whatever false justifications we get later, I hope the south is watching how to handle power whenever they clinch the slot of president. One southerner did clinch being president and without remarkable projects in the south, almost immediately began building Almajiri schools for northerners, and gave them so many juicy appointments just to appease the north for re-election support. Yet he was booted out to continue his second term and beyond in Otuoke

Why are you guys saying somebody can not get there?
He has the right to aspire for the Presidency.

Adgideon:
General Emperor Wike you have personal ambition stop lying you can't reject it when that kind of offer comes to you. But sorry u can't even smell there the least you can do is to visit as rock collect your bag and zoom off

Okay, good luck.


I wish Atiku well in the pursuit of his presidential ambition. He is a dogged fighter and appears to have been preparing to be president for some time.

Above all, we Humanbeings are just trying, God has the final say.

The Glorious Quran 3:26 'Oh Allah, you give power to whom you will'


'Once has God spoken, twice have I heard that: Power belongs to God'- Psalm 62:11.

OfoIgbo:
I don't think you fully grasp how these things work.

FIrstly, Atiku only rejoined the party a few years ago. When he was out of PDP, PDP was still an attractive party,which was why he rejoined, when APC started to piss him off. Truth be told, there are now greater interests within PDP, who remained in PDP when the going wasn't very rosy. One of such interest groups was the SE/SS alliance.
In 2019, this alliance that has a huge moral authority within PDP still stood down for northern candidates. Atiku benefited from this.

If PDP were to dish out its presidential slot to the SE, Atiku will have no option but to stand down, afterall the SE/SS alliance did the same for him in 2019, and also the SE/SS alliance are probably the greatest shareholders in the PDP enterprise currently.

The alliance will not need to beg anybody, after all they have made their sacrifices, ranging from giving northerners the slot last time, to remaining in the party and nurturing it, when every other person left for perceived greener political pastures in other parties, principally APC.

We knew a day like this was gonna come, which was why we were all surprised that Tinubu pushed his people into an alliance with people generally known to want to dominate everything, without paying attention to the letters of an alliance agreement

There is no big political party that doesn't experience a phase of crisis.

Your assertion that the PDP will delare that they have zoned their ticket to the S/East Geo-Political zone after the APC primaries shows you don't fully understand the issues at stake.

Such delaration will lead to crisis that can tear the party apart because those who have been investing in the party with an eye for the ticket will become disgruntled which will undermine the party. Elections in Nigeria often bring rancour and divisions.



Tinubu should decide for himself whether he is doing well or not based on how well he is able to achieve his set out goals.


However, Tinubu running for the Presidency doesn't mean El-Rufai, Peter Obi, Ngige, Kwankwanso or Dave Umahi shouldn't run for the same office. It's a contest not a coronation.



Tinubu or any candidate doesn't need to win in ALL the States or Geopolitical zones or even win at all but the right of a candidate to aspire for the highest office in the land should not be overtly or covertly abrogated.

If there's a cabal that must determine who must aspire or who shouldn't aspire for the Presidency, it portray grave dangers for the country. If they can do it to Tinubu ,then they can do it or worse things to any body in the future.
It will enbolden future cabals


The loss of Tinubu's ambition is nothing but the loss of an opportunity to ethrone and deepen democracy is everything

OfoIgbo:
Tinubu that is a politician, ain't doing really well at the moment..

You don't necessarily have to ask him to step down, but if PDP zones it's ticket to the SE, he will have no choice but to step down.
In 2019, southerners stepped down for northerners. Igbos have made enough sacrifices for other regions.
If the other regions refuse to reciprocate, then we will not play ball which such regions in the future.

At the moment, only the SS seems to be playing ball with us. All it means is that we will reciprocate accordingly when it is their turn.

As I wrote earlier on, Tinubu will never get any alliance from the SE/SS alliance if his aim is to be the president come 2023. The SW has had more than its fair share

Not exactly ,some people are in-between male and female genders. They have rudiments of both sexual organs.

Some 'penis' are actually super enlarged clitoris and the 'scrotum' are actually fused enlarged Labia majora.
Surgical operations (vaginoplasty), hormanal therapy and appreciate psychological work-up can be done to correct some of these anomalies.


It's not true that everything by nature is perfect. The formation of external reproductive system in some people are not well delineated making them to be assigned to the wrong gender.

It's the same way that some people are born with all kinds of defects (of the eyes, limbs, ears and of course genitals!)

myles16:
don't let these white people brainwash you please, i also studied Gender and Society and i can clearly tell you that, it's the media and Bobrisky and co that influenced all of his rubbish life style, all this LGBT stuff they're all clamouring for is simply "Abuse of Freedom". Since everyone has freedom to do anything people have started supporting rubbish, sex is biological and gender is what the society tagged or expect from a man or woman, he has been living in a bad environment and he sees the way things are cause at the end of the day he is still going to stand while urinating and would never mensturate.. God that created everybody created us perfectly all this Gay and co are just curious and are satisfying their curiosity since they've "right to do anything"

You obviously aren't a politician.
So you think after spending a lot of money, energy and time running for president, you will tell Atiku to step down in Feb,2023 for a SE candidate because a SW politician has won the APC ticket and he will gladly comply to your order?


This is part of what I am saying. Certain things need to happen to define and refine our perceptions of how we think our democracy should be.


If we have been practicing democracy since 1960 without the Military interregnum, most of the issues we are debating wouldn't have risen.

OfoIgbo:
Atiku is not even an issue in this discussion. Atiku needs the SE/SS alliance more than the alliance needs him.

It has always been said that if APC chooses an SE man as it's presidential candidate, that automatically, the PDP candidate will be Igbo. The implication is that the alliance will ensure an Igbo man becomes the PDP candidate.

Atiku only comes into play if a SWner is the APC candidate, which in effect means zoning is suspended, thus opening the door for Atiku and others

For as long as Tinubu is still in play, Atiku can be in play

Isn't that what I have been saying? Tinubu should rather intensify his aspirations.
Certain events need to happen to shape and reshape our understanding of how democracy should work in Nigeria.


As many heavy duty politicians as possible need to join the presidential race (including yours sincerely in no distant future). This is how the influence of the any cabals can be reduced.

In advanced democracies, any citizen can go to a political party and pick form to run for office.




By the way, you haven't answered my question on Atiku. Why are you not advising him to drop the presidential ambition , support a SE candidate and campaign for restructuring or you think these noble advices are only applicable to Tinubu?

OfoIgbo:
APC just frustrated Tinubu, and he and his minions are saying THANK SIR to Buhari, Amaechi et al.

Anyway, as I wrote previously, Tinubu can go and hustle for the presidency in 2023, let's see how far he goes

It has it's merits and demerits.
If 50% of Nigerians leave their ancestrial lands to go and settle in other parts of Nigeria, in the next 70years Tribalism would have been reduced drastically and we would have been closer to becoming a Nation.

Because of the substantial numbers of Igbos living in the S/West, i know many people that are Yoruba-Igbo hybrid (Some are even my relatives).

fergie001:
Igbos are extremely curious individuals who like to explore and move.
Even if you bring UI & UNILAG to the SE.....they will still leave.

Again, we don't make our Universities attractive enough for anyone to stay, tbh.

Another is: there are really no jobs in the SE.

So the Igbo man wants to get out of his Zone, go to Maiduguri, Kano, Kaduna, Ibadan, whilst schooling, he is "shining his eye", making friends who might help him rather than go back to the East and start running Provisions Stores, or teaching WAEC Chemistry with BSc in Biochemistry.

They don't even know here isn't even a bed of roses but they can apply for jobs, go for interviews and keep hopes alive.

Correct me if I am wrong, majority of the jobs you see are mainly teaching or @ most State Govt jobs where you wouldn't even be paid for months.

When I wanted to run one of my degrees, I opted for ZIK..as the 1st son I wanted to be closer home, since all my family members were born and resident in Lagos. 2 weeks before I will complete my registration, I got same admission with a Fed Univ in the SW..

I enquired from my fellow Igbo friends, not one, even there in Abia or Anambra told me to remain in ZIK. They all said; LEAVE, I was shocked.
I abandoned even the little payments I had made and left.

Until our Govts begin to let the massive crowd that get out of our SE Institutions do something .....the migration would not STOP.

Ironically, most of the jobs they run to or apply in Lagos and co...are owned by same Igbos who didn't put it in the SE. The first question we should ask is WHY!?

There are in OgwashiUkwu.

My Ex-GF is from that town.

Nwanyiogwashi:
Have not seen any in Ogwashi ukwu or Asaba

Where?

Jebba?

baby124:
Niger State has indegenous Yorubas

There are more Yorubas in Kano than all these places. There are substantial Yorubas in Jos and Borno State

leaculpa:
I have been to many states. The only states I've seen a sizeable number of Yorubas outside of their indigenous states are:

Kaduna
Abuja
Niger
Edo
Delta

We are not loud & tend to integrate, so it might not be so obvious at first glance. We definitely don't mass migrate to other regions though.

The most appropriate thing for those who don't like his presidential ambition is to contest against him or support a candidate that they think are better than him.

This is how it is done in advanced democracies.




The whole debates about the 2023 should not be centred on a private citizen but should be used to discuss the problems facing the country and how to find solutions to them.

Esseite:
Nobody hates Tinubu, why do people keep feeling some people hate Tinubu?... he has been in charge of Lagos for 21years, has anyone disturbed that?... nope...

He is gunning for the centre directly and indirectly which involves everyone else and some people dont subscribe to his leadership style... simple.

Why are you fixed on Tinubu and Igbos sir?

Tinubu running for an election is NOT mutually exclusive to whatever political agenda Igbos want to pursue.

We need to try some many things in this country. These will define our democratic culture.

In a democray, it's not compulsory or even feasible that everybody support a candidate.


Trying to frustrate a private citizen from running for the Presidency of his country have grave consequences.


Again, I ask you this question:
Why are you not advising Atiku Abubakar to withdraw from the presidential race, campaign for a SE candidate and restructuring or these noble advices are only good for Tinubu?

OfoIgbo:
You well know a SE president will pursue restructuring more aggressively than GEJ and OBJ put together.

Anyway, Tinubu can go seek partnership with the north to help him realize his presidential ambitions. I do know the SE/SS alliance will never partner with him for that.

If Tinubu emerges as the presidential candidate of APC, Igbos will support a northerner in PDP.
If Tinubu emerges as the presidential candidate of another party, other than the APC, Igbos will present their own candidate in PDP.

I know it and I have been waiting for PA Bode George to issue his own report on Tinubu.


He is a constitent expert on Tinubu Affairs.

hisexcellency34:
Temidayo Akinsuyi, Lagos

Chief Olabode George, a former Deputy National Chairman of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) on Saturday said the latest ordeal of Asiwaju Bola Tinubu, former Lagos state governor in the ruling All Progressives Congress (APC) did not come to him as a surprise.

Speaking in a chat with Daily Independent, George said Tinubu’s problem began when he started laying claim to being the ‘national leader’ of the party even though he occupies no elective position.

George, who is the Atona Oodua of Yorubaland argued that in a presidential system of government, the President is the national leader in a ruling political party and not any individual, no matter how highly placed.

“From the very beginning, I used to tell them that the party APC is a congregation of strange bedfellows. When you have a big party like that and someone wants to hijack it, there will be problem”.

“First of all, it is a misnomer in a presidential system for a man who is not elected into any position to come out and say he is the National leader of the party”.

“How is that possible? There is only one National leader of the party and that is the President. How can a ragamuffin from somewhere just wake up and say he is the National leader and not the President? What does that mean?” he asked.

https://www.independent.ng/tinubu-got-into-trouble-by-referring-to-himself-as-apc-national-leader-bode-george/

We don't exist for today alone but for posterity.


The fear of POSSIBLE failures should not be a deterant of taking a decisive action.



The determination of the Late MKO Abiola to run to the Presidency and stood his ground till the very end changed the polical course of Nigeria.

The decision of Tinubu to contest for the presidential election regardless of the outcome will inspire future generations that they too can aspire for the highest office in the land irrespective of what any cabal wish or think and they will eventually succeed.


By the way, why are you not advicing Atiku Abubakar to withdraw from the race, clamour for a SE candidate and support restructuring or all these noble advices are only good for Tinubu?

OfoIgbo:
In that case, he can run. But he has already lost Abiola's northern votes you guys were banking on.

He will have to depend on Yoruba votes solely

If were Tinubu, i will run for the Presidency in 2023 and damn ANY consequences (death, defeat or imprisonment).


Certain things need to happen to deepen the democratic culture of Nigeria and to see if we truly want a country where there's equality of citizenship

ANY citizen of Nigeria aspiring to the high should not be cowed.

OfoIgbo:
At least we are in agreement with the bolded point.

Anyway, jokes apart. I mentioned in my previous writeup that Tinubu and his people have to rebuild.
Maybe I have to spell out what I mean by this, but bear in mind REBUILDING can take different forms. It doesn't have to conform with my own way.

But let me put myself in Tinubu's shoes and suggest a few things he can do.
1. I will totally forget about being Nigeria's president (not in 2023 anyway)
2. To get into this sort of planning, you must eschew any form of greed. Just keep your eyes on the bigger picture and bigger goal, whatever it is
3. I will assess my strengths and weaknesses following the state of play, and come up with ways of morphing my weaknesses into strengths

Tinubu's major weakness is that he wishes to be Nigeria's president in 2023 at all cost.
Another of Tinubu's major weakness is that the SE and SS are not happy with the role he played in 2015
A minor weakness is that he is being perceived as a godfather, and SS and SE people loath godfathers. All his Iyaloja and Babaloja moves in Lagos are rubbing Igbos the wrong way in Lagos, and it is being unconsciously fed to the public, that that is his way, and he is bound to introduce that brand of politics in Nigeria, if he were to become the president.

The reality on ground is that the SE and SS will never vote for him, because his record has been entirely anti SE/SS, from opposing the GEJ presidency, using his media and his wealth, to undermining the effort of Igbos to cast their votes in Lagos state, to his babaloja/Iyaloja things in Lagos markets e.t.c.

As Reno Omokri rightly described the situation, Tinubu's hand is caught in a trap and all he has to do to free himself from this trap is to release whatever goodies he may think, is hidden inside the coconut shell. Tinubu has to abandon his quest for the presidency, or he will perpetually remain trapped, and they will perpetually toy with him, along with his SW people.

If I were Tinubu, I will still remain in APC, even though his power and reach are much reduced at the moment. But the reality is that his group is still the second most powerful group in APC, albeit whittled down. APC is still the ruling party. He mustn't forget that. But he can start to build new alliances within APC. The SE/SS alliance within APC is not that strong, but he can start from that. He can reach out to the middlebelt also. His alliance can start championing the SE presidency option, and restructuring.

From within APC, this alliance can start reaching out to like-minded blocs, such as the SE/SS alliance within PDP, the middlebelt crew within PDP and other progressives, that are pro-restructuring and feel it is the turn of the SE to produce the president.

The above will give him the moral high ground and make him near untouchable, after all he will still be a member of APC, and EFCC will be a little reluctant going after him, and will force the hand of APC to look for a SE candidate. Remember the international community will be observing proceedings and will be judging situations. The international community is far likely to support a move meant to usher in fairness, and if he is seen as one of the arrowheads of such a move, this will improve his international clout also.

But if you coneheads, still want to encourage him to take the slot that duly belongs to the SE, you will be forcing his hand deeper into the trap, and further making him, and the SW irrelevant in the scheme of things. Mark my words

Nobody likes to be on the losing side

needanswer:
I hope you are a prophet and it happens as you have said it. but one thing I know is that the Fulani's never like to be on the losing end of any agreement.

a future without the south is a loss to the north cause they are landlocked, they need access to seaport down south. they are also require the fertile lands of the south for their live stocks, and that's minus crude oil.

well maybe you are a prophet and it happens as you said it.

I don't understand your point sir.



However, you need to understand certain things;

1) No two elections are exactly alike.

2) The emergence of the APC in 2013 has created a strong Two-party system such that certain precedents in a one part system may be difficult to repeat.
For instance, it will be very difficult to impose a presidential candidate in the APC, it will cause discords that may leads to defeat at the pools because there is another strong party waiting to reap from the crisis.

3) The Best way to avoid fracturing the party is to organize a free and fair primary election to elect their flag bearer.

Any aspirant that now loses in this contest will not feel cheated and the party can go into the election as a United house.





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You have taken time to write a lengthy post about what you have said several times but didn't answer my question.



Now let me ask you again;

We have agreed that Tinubu is a bad person (possibly the cause of all the problems in Nigeria).

Now that he has been removed, what is next? Or what is the way forward sir?

OfoIgbo:
First of all, I am sure you know it wasn't Igbos that whittled down Tinubu's power and reach in APC. It was his political partners up north.
He did not learn from Ken Saro Wiwa or Adaka Boro or Abiola or Awolowo.

Look at the SE today. The SE is in a political alliance with the SS, and it is waxing strong and showing no sign of degrading. Yeah, everyone denigrated the Igbos for being on the loosing side after the 2015 general election, but today now that the dust is settling, did the SE or SS really loose? The simple answer is that they did not loose.

Today we have a somewhat dependable ally, and the SS political class can also boast of the same. Now the so-called victors of 2015 are no longer feeling quite victorious.

Buhari's people did what they did to Tinubu because they know that the SW is totally alone, and their actions of the past few days have proven how alone and lonely the SW political game really is.

You should also know that Buhari's people did what they did because they are aware of the presence of a much stronger and vibrant southern group i.e the SE/SS alliance. This southern group is far stronger than Tinubu's contraption, controlling about 10 states. Secondly this other southern group has the moral authority to seek the presidency of Nigeria to an extent that far outweighs the SW claim.
Tinubu left the SW totally exposed because of his greed, and people of good conscience have been shouting themselves hoarse for Tinubu to support a SE presidency come 2023, and all these fell on deaf ears.

Can you imagine how impossible it would have been for Buhari to do what he did two days ago, if Tinubu had endorsed the idea of a SE president, like two weeks ago.
Buhari would have been seeing fire right now, as such an action would have been seen as undermining the entire south, and an action meant to deny the south in general (but SE in particular) the presidency.

But what was done was done, without a whimper from the SE and SS, thus the SW is totally alone now, and about to loose this fight hopelessly in a way that will embolden Fulanis to commit more acts of humiliation against the SW. That is usually their way.

All that Tinubu and his political machinery can do now is to rebuild. Even if he were to endorse a SE candidate for APC or a northern candidate for PDP, it will no longer have the power it would have had, if he did it when he was still in control of influential organs of the APC. He has lost that, and any moves he now makes will seem like yet another ploy by him to insert himself in the presidency. He will be viewed with suspicion.

Excuse me sir,

Apart from our political leaders, are there other people that have contributed to the underdevelopment of Nigeria?

slimfit1:
My first impression about this man was that he will develop Oyo state to a higher level. But I was disappointed that he could not even help poor student and schools in Ibadan. The health care in Ibadan was disappointing he was a victim of his own failure. Something Nigerians don't understand about health is time is more important.If you think you will steal money and use the money to fly to London when you are sick God will give you a sickness that needs urgent attention.

When Boris Johnson was sick, he went to the nearest hospital to him for care. Make wise choices think about other people first. Think about us first then me later. Some deaths are avoidable while some death are available.

I can see any advice I this write-up.

Mr Dele Momodu only talked about himself and what is wrong about Oshiomole. He didn't state what he thinks he should do next.