₦airaland Forum

Do I want Igbos to be part of Nigeria?

My (PERSONAL) ans: Capital YES.





However, my personal opinion is inconsequential to what Igbos want themselves.
If they want to leave, I think we should all respect their decision.

needanswer:
every tribe is at fault, Ibo, Yoruba, Hausa etc. no tribe is a total saint in this matter. but let me ask you, do you still want Ibo's as part of Nigeria or do you prefer they leave? please no sitting on the fence, a yes or no is preferred.

If most of the comments of young Igbo online is limited to criticism of actions and inactions of Government, nobody will call it hatred but they set out to demonize other Nigerians and whimp up sentiments against them especially the Yoruba people.


Be sincere and read their posts on Facebook, Twitter and Nairaland with an open mind.

Commonsense99:
First, telling me an igbo man was made vice is an insult to ndi igbo! We just need to go our seperate ways either peacefully or otherwise.. it's a blunt reality !

Do you know Rwanda? do some research about their post genocidal policies Let's use that as an example, then you be the judge.

And what you call the Internet hatred of an igboman is actually a retaliation of what is beign done against him, the Internet gave voice to the voiceless igbo to air their views, [b]harsh truth is not hate bro,..[/b]will you swear that the policies have not been designed to undeveloped the igbos? Why can't the federal government allow us to import from SE and SS? Why do they keep more than 50 check points from lagos to East? What about the recent $22billion loan?

If an igbo man harbours hate, why did he freely buy your land while the, hausa Fulani business man who doesn't harbour hate refused to even rent ordinary apartment to from SE n SS?

The only company the yoruba man brings to igbo land is Pentecostal Church(for tithes) and perhaps banks, while greater % of igbo man's company is built outside igbo!

Now from all these body language, who harbours hate?

Please check TwitterNG and see the the avalanche of abuses and very derogatory posts they made about Tinubu and the Yorubas in the last 72hrs just because of the crisis I the APC.


Ironically, they don't have any Igbo politician in the same way and level they hate Tinubu.

Guestlander:
Nonsense, 12 years after the war, the second republic came and one Ibo man was already the vice president of Nigeria. Ojukwu, the man who brought the war on his own people who caused the deaths of millions was allowed to come back to Nigeria without any repercussions.
No Ibo mad has ever been denied to please check Twittercontest for a higher office just because he is Ibo. No Ibo man has ever been prevented from doing his business anywhere in Nigeria.
Nigeria is not perfect, there are structural issues which are affecting all Nigerians equally not matter where you come from.
But the Ibos harbor deep animosity against other Nigerians which was subtle and not very apparent until the coming of the internet.
It gave us a glimpse into the type of orientation ibo children got from their parents. You can all see it in Nnamdi Kanu and his army of hate mongers, and even here on Nairaland.

Why do you always tag every Non-Igbo politician in Nigeria is an evil man who karma always visit?

gartamanta:
Looking at Shehu Yaradua here, one would not know that the man was amongst the biggest mass-murderers and coup plotter Nigeria ever produced. He was literally Murtala Mohammed's right hand man and when Mohammed was assassinated, Yar'adua was double promoted to become a Brigadier and Chief of General Staff. He spent the rest of his years in power amassing wealth and became one of the richest men in the North when he retired. He was CEO of Hamza Holdings. But Karma has a way of coming back to bite all evil men. He died crying of pain in Abakiliki Prisons.

Roads especially roads that are being heavily used like this don't last forever.
There's need to repair or sometimes reconstruct them.

RuudVanNisteroy:
NGpatriot are Igbos responsible as well for the 42 year construction?

Hmn,

How many Harvard or Cambridge returnee Nigerian author succeed like Chinua Achebe, Wole Soyinka, JP Clark, Prof Ake Claude, T.M Aluko.

In the Banking sector, Tony Elumelu, Jim Ovia, Fola Adeola, Tayo Aderinokun are locally trained.

obaaderemi:
The ones who had their secondary school education here are more well grounded than the ones who schooled abroad and must have experienced a sort of disconnection from their background in their formative years. The local ones understand the system better and thus can make better applications of their study and time here.
An Igbo proverb says: if you want to know about the ground,ask the squirrel he lives there.

It's crystal clear that most Igbos online hate Tinubu with passion, however they don't display the same level of hatred towards any Igbo politician.

Akosxxx:
I don't know what's with Nairaland IPOBians and Tinubu.
Their obsession and hatred for Tinubu is portraying them as fools. They keep shouting Tinubu upandan on every politics thread. People with no electoral relevance that can never create or even meet the kind of dynasty the man has created.
SMH

Some people will still wail and complain bitterly about this news and most of them will be from a certain part of this country.

aminulive:
https://politicsnigeria.com/seyi-tinubu-wife-welcome-baby-boy/

Atiku, Saraki, Tambuwal, Amaechi and so many people also supported Buhari in 2015 but we don't hear people mentioning their names everyday.

JewelStone:
He’s notorious for supporting the emergence of the brain dead cattle rearer who’s currently occupying Aso Rock; which has consequently caused untold suffering and hardship for Nigerians since 2016.

He’s also notorious for his brown teeth and for having Lagos state in his pockets.

You don't seems to understand me;

British Colonial Government weren't fools or handicapped during the Colonial era. They had the resources both human and minerals at their disposal but used it for the development of Britain while giving us peanuts in return.


Humanbeings are rational beings and don't do things without reasons

1) In the first instance, why the need for Britain to leave their homelands ,sail thousands of miles to Africa to colonize millions of people they know nothing about?

2) Who benefitted most from the British Colonialism?

(a) Nigeria
(b) Britain

3) If Colonialism was so sweet why did the natives resisted it and started demanding for freedom?



4) If you think Nigeria would have been better off if British Colonialism had continued till 1990, this betterment will be for whom exactly?

(a) Native Nigerians
(b) White Nigerians.




Your assertion is like saying Black people in America would have been better off, more well fed, more hardworking and more disciplined if slavery had lasted till 1900

miketayo:
My point is that we had done far better for ourselves than what the Colonial Masters had done for us.
doesn't make sense
they had till 1960 and we haven't even found oil in the country, name one country that its previous 100 years is more developed than its future 100years?
my point is the future from 1960 - 1990 would have developed better if we were still colonized

It's most unfortunate that many young Nigerians don't read deeply let alone study History to fully understand what British Colonialism meant for Nigeria and Nigerians to the extent that some are even wishing it had lasted longer.


If slavery is regarded as the theft of the labour and life of an individual, then Colonialism (especially the British Imperial Colonialism) was actually enslavement of the whole Nation on their own land.

Britain ,France , Belgium and indeed most parts of Europe would most likely not have been this developed if European Colonialism didn't occur.

The wealth and experience gained from slavery and Colonialism with reverberating consequences contributed greatly to make Europeans and America what they are today.



A child that will walk must first lean how to crawl.

Some of the problems confronting Nigeria are actually our developmental challenges as a Nation.
We make mistakes like most Nations do but it is OUR OWN mistakes and we will learn from them.


The right to govern ourselves is an inalienable right and nobody needs a master.

miketayo:
Young Man, if u still don't get it at this point, I can't help you.
inferiority complex is wat we are having now, they break d law as they like and get away with it.
I have been to Namibia and those people don't take shits from d whites, infact most of the blacks there r racist.
Wateva we built from 1960 till date would have been done better, same way it was done in southern African countries, it's laughable u r impressed with wat u have seen so far.

You are changing the narrative.

What exactly is your point, that Nigeria would have been better off if British Colonial Masters had stayed longer?

I have just pointed out the fallacies of this most unfortunate suggestion based on the records and 'achievements' of the Colonial Masters IN NIGIERIA over at least 60 years 1900-1960.

The British Colonial Masters had a record of abysmal failure in the development of Nigeria over the 60years under review (Colonialism had actually started about 40 years earlier in Lagos and some other coastal towns) because development of Nigeria WAS NOT THEIR PRIORITY.

Looting the resources of Nigeria and other African Countries to develop Britain was the primary aim of British Colonialism in Africa.

If the past is a reliable predictor of the future, then it will be safe to tell you NATIVE NIGERIANS would have been worse off. White Nigerians and where they live may be better off but this may cover just about 5% of Nigeria.

If commercial exploration of crude oil had started in Nigeria before 1960, the British wouldn't have gone until around 1985 and we would have had to fight war of Independence against them to free ourselves.



My argument is NOT whether Nigerians had done well compared to what they should have done to develop their Country.

My point is that we had done far better for ourselves than what the Colonial Masters had done for us.



The truth is that Nigeria can not develop faster than the level of education and enlightment of her citizens.

Namibia and South Africa had about 80-150 years headstart ahead of Nigeria as at Oct-1,1960.

miketayo:
Young Man, if u still don't get it at this point, I can't help you.
inferiority complex is wat we are having now, they break d law as they like and get away with it.
I have been to Namibia and those people don't take shits from d whites, infact most of the blacks there r racist.
Wateva we built from 1960 till date would have been done better, same way it was done in southern African countries, it's laughable u r impressed with wat u have seen so far.

This mean there will be no more political problems in Nigeria

neoclassical:
Although I didn't understand this your grammar, but let it be known to you that Tinubu's time is up. Even VP Osinbanjo has acknowledged the APC NEC meeting tomorrow and equally cancelled the meeting he was supposed to chair. Move on man!

Again you are exuding colonial mentality induced inferiority complex with ignorance.

So constructing dual carriage Express ways , building Hospitals and providing education for the people of Nigeria was beyond the level of Technology of 1960?

Establishing Faculties of Law and Engineering was beyond their levels of Technology?

To construct a bridge over River Niger to link Eastern Region with the Western Region by road was beyond the level of the British Colonial Masters?

In the whole of the the present Osun State, the British Colonial Government didn't establish any school.

The Late Ooni of Ife, Oba Adesoji Aderemi (May his Soul continue to rest in perfect peace) and the elites of Ife took it upon themselves to establish the first Secondary School, the Prestigious Oduduwa College, Ile-Ife in 1933, followed by Ilesha Grammar School in 1936 to educate our grandparents while University of Cape Town, South Africa was established in 1829.

Imagine what Nigeria would have been if UNILAG, UNICAL,OAU, UI, ABU,UNN and UNIBEN have been established by 1860.


What are the achievements of the British Colonial Government in Abia, Kebbi, Imo,Osun or Kwara States?

The British had no intention to develop Nigeria because they didn't want to stay here for long. They were only here for business ,for that was exactly what British Colonialism was in Africa.

The only lasting infrastructure constructed by the British in Nigeria, The Railways was essential to their business in carrying resources of Nigieria all over this country to the the ports for onward delivery to Britain.

They only made small isolated areas where they lived (GRAs) fairly comfortable for themselves and trained few Nigerians who could work in Colonial civil service, their apprentices and Sales boys/girls.

They deliberately prevented rapid development of Nigeria because this could threaten their interests.


The real development of Nigeria started after Independence by Nigerians ,no matter how imperfect or slow they may be.

Almost every element of modern development and Nationhood you see and take for granted today were started by our Native Political leaders.

miketayo:
lolz. are u comparing technology and development of 1960 to that of 1990? do u think if they stayed till 1990 they won't have made a power grid, good roads, standard hospitals, and many other things?
Do you think they wouldn't have built universities if they stayed till d 90's (you are not making a sense), if they haven't come to Africa at all do u think, technology will exist in Nigeria, we would still be going hunting and farming.
As at 1960, were those things u mentioned up there in South Africa, even UAE was a desert in the 60's.
2-5% had access to phones lolz, even in the 70's and 80's how many ppl do u think had access to phones. My parents used intercoms just within the estate in the 80's and 90's they had no access to landline till the late 90's .
Even in the 60's Nigerians that wanted to study had a better education than present day, have listened to Alhaji Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa speak ? compare it to ur Buhari . he had education even before the 60's. Ask ur parents what universities were like in their days and compare it to today.
The people of Zimbabwe forced the white men out of their country, u will find very few white Zimbabweans. Botswana, Namibia, and SA still have a lot of whites nationalized in the country, their lifestyle and way of thinking is still robbing off the blacks there to some extent.
You just typed a lot without having made a single point

Excuse me sir, is African Devil more wicked than European or American Devil?

Or there is only Devil but he lives in Africa with full time work but goes to part-time work in other parts of the world?

evil1:
I agree with you to some point and dont mind the ignorant childish and foolish ones here.
I see it as a fashion in some way but trust me we re in Africa ... and I will resist a handshake from a politicIan, yahooboy or cultist.

You obviously don't know much about what you are saying sir.


Let's assume that British Colonialism started in the whole of Nigeria in 1900 and ended in 1960 making it a period of 60 years.

As at Oct-1,1960;

1) There was no single dual carriage express way in the whole of Nigeria.

2) There was no electricity national grid and no power plants in Nigeria.The British Colonial Government imported huge Generators that provide Regular electricity for their residential areas called GRAs and offices. Later on, this was extended to few houses in administrative capitals.
Overall, about 95% of Nigeria didn't have electricity.

3) Adult literacy rate in Nigeria was about 15% in 1960 and there was no single University in Nigeria.
We only had a distant learning Campus of the University of London called University College, Ibadan.
That college didn't have it's own Senate, couldn't set it's own exams or conduct it's own matriculation or award it's own degrees because everything were done from London and only admitted about 100 Students per year.

As at 1960, you will have to come from very rich families to study Medicine because you will have to go to London from 300L to complete your medical studies.

Engineering and Law weren't allowed in that University College, Ibadan.

4) Only about 2-5% of Nigerians have access to telephone

5) As at Oct-1,1960 there were only three Hospitals in the whole of Ife-Ijesha Senatorial District ( which comprises of 10 LGAs) and these were Seventh-Day Adventist Hospital and the General Hospital, both in Ile-Ife and Wesley-Guild Hospital, Ilesha.

6) If the British had stayed till 1980, most of us won't be University graduates by now and only few cities will be developed.

7) Zimbabwe gained Independence in 1980.

miketayo:
Not true rural areas today would have be more developed than it is today, we would have stable power supply, our way of thinking and living would be similar to d 60's and 70's.
Look at Botswana, Namibia and South Africa.
In Namibia u can literally go out all day and come back to step on ur white bedsheets without staining it.
Zimbabwe that gained independence early like us is d only shitty country among those 4

Please stop peddling falsehoods.

Are you saying there is only one Int'l Airport and one Seaport in Nigeria and they are located in Lagos?

Odingo1:
Greedy South West and North will not agree, Lagos is congested because the seaport, international airport is only found in it.

South Africa have more than 6 seaport spread all over the country and also many standard international Airport.

Nigeria has only Lagos as major exit point for international travelers, only place to clear imported goods from abroad, only place for oil companies headquarters and so on. What did you expect.

Hmn, I understand your concerns but certain problems can't be solved by means of legislation.


The Headquarters of Chevron is in California (It actually Started as Standard Oil of California) but most of their operations are now in Texas, Alaska, Wyoming, Colorado.

Dikebuka:
My brother I get what you are saying, that was why I blamed the constitution and (oil and gas acts)).

We all know the economic benefit that oil and gas indirectly to the society in terms of transportation, business, food, housing etc.

What am saying in a simple terms is that in a sane society where state government control dia resources, companies and firms can't operating in dz manner..

I am not writing them off.

I have just observed that Nigerians who school in the best schools abroad like Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Yale, Oxford or Cambridge Universities are not necessarily more successful than locally trained Nigerians.

The most successful Lawyers, Doctos and Bankers in Nigieria were trained in Nigeria and not Harvard, London School of Economics or Cambridge.

How many companies are established, nurtured and managed by these Nigerian returnees?

How many Ivy league educated Lawyers in Nigeria are as successful as Wole Olanipekun, Alex Izoyin,Femi Falana or Mike Ozekhome?

The Icons of modern banking in Nigieria like Tony Elumelu, Jim Ovia and Fola Adeola are locally trained.

What proportion of our development as a nation can be ascribed to these well educated and refined Nigerians who schooled in Harvard, Oxford, Yale or Cambridge like their counterparts in USA or UK?

grandstar:
Don't easily write them off! If Onyeana could write a book at 18, it shows the benefit of attending such a school.

Also, a school is not an island. Graduates of such colleges may do better if they lived in the UK where they can network for instance. Also, the uni they attend and their personal drive count

Beyond tribal issues, there's one thing I notice from this story and similar stories which I think we should be discussing;

Most Nigerians who studied in the best British or American Schools don't necessarily become the most successful Nigerians in their chosen career or in life generally.
They seems not necessarily more successful than Nigerians who schooled at Government College, Umuahia or Ilesha Grammar School.

Does anyone has explanations for this observation?

Very wrong sir.

Arochukwu, Bende and most parts of Ngwaland were formerly Ibiobio.

Ibiobio didn't originate from Igbo rather many Igbos today originated from Ibiobio.

koning:
Ibibio clan is an extention of the Arochukwu clan. They are migrants from Arochukwu. One does not have to originate from core Igbo states to be Igbo. The entire old Esatern region is Igboid.

No wasn't, Sir Loius Mbanefo was the Chief Justice of Biafra.

saggis:
Igbo extention. Was he not a Judge or even Chief Judge in Biafra? just asking.

You are wrong sir.


Both attended the schools but are not the first blacks check you facts well sir.

koning:
First black/African man at Oxford = Emeka Ojukwu

First balck man in Eton College = Dilibe Onyeama.


Conclusion = IGBO AMAKA. Putting Nigeria and africa on the map since 1845.





Mod, do the needed. The world need to know.

You can site your office ANYWHERE you deem fit sir.

They have not broken ANY law sir. If you think they do, please qoute the section of the law that is breached sir.

It is not compulsory that your office and Factory,Mine or Shop should be close.
It doesn't matter whether you are mining coal, exploring for oil, refining crude oil or manufacturing Textiles.


I have told you earlier on that most of Chevron businesses in Nigeria is offshore (deep into the sea, off the continental shelf) and not on the soil of any State.
They paid their company (Oil and Gas) tax to the FG and not any State Government as some are erroneously insinuating.

Personal income tax of workers (whether workers of oil companies or Farmers) are expected to be paid to the States where they live.
However most Nigerians don't pay personal income tax unless it's deducted directly from source.

Dikebuka:
Oil is not exported in lagos.. That was a typographical error from my own end.

How can someone that studied petroleum engineering and had been to the field be ignorant of what he is saying...

I should be the one asking you how Innoson and Bua system of business relate to Chevron....

How many oil and gas firms are in lagos when their field of operations are in Bayelsa, Akwa ibom, Imo, Edo and even Delta state..

Even majority of BUA's workforce is at Okpella in Edo.

Bros ,do you agree that you don't know much about the oil industry sir?

Where precisely in Lagos are crude oil exported sir?

You have been talking about so many things you have little knowledge about.

Dikebuka:
The field I made reference to Oil and Gas which is under the extractive industry. Chevron is a private company but when you are into extractive, you don't sight your office and residential area outside you field of study..

Its only the hopeless Nigeria constitution that is empowering all this.. You know how many operators of marginal field are in lagos when their OML location are far away from their operational basis..even the export of the crudes are done via Lagos.

A lot of indirect development, that is suppose to have come to d states through local contents, investment, housing and technology is concentrated in a particular place because of bad government policy.

Bulk of which tax exactly?

ejanla077:
What if a company just rent a 3 bedroom flat in Yenegoa and designate it 'Head Office' to fulfill all righteousness but the bulk of their Staff are coordinated from a 20 floor skyscraper in Awka, Anambra?

They will still pay the bulk of tax to bayelsa

They know what they want- Presidency in 2032 through Atiku 2023-2032.

LivingSage:
Jim Nwobodo, Apa Aku and co,. memories. O won't insult you baba, you done with the late sage.
Meanwhile, it is easy for Camel to enter a hole than for Ndi Igbo to become Nigeria president. First, they should go and know what they want. They're Confused.
You'll be seeing some in this Same page clamour for PRESIDENCY, others for Biafra. THEY'RE JOKERS, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.
NOTHING LIKE IGBO PRESIDENCY

What's MURIC saying about the ways Bandits are killing muslims in the North?

We haven't heard anything from Yerima Shettima on these killings.

I won't say it because I don't like to offend people especially on social media.

Dikebuka:
What level of Education do you think I will be in, with what I mentioned so far..

Being poor is a transient phase and NOT a permanent disability.


In 1914, China was a poor country and Saudi Arabia in 1935 was one of the poorest countries on Earth with Camels as the commonest means of transportation between cities.

As at 1960, Nigeria was better than Indonesia or Malaysia and Dubai was a backward fishing village in 1970.

Rwanda was a very poor country with tribal tension leading to bloody civil war in 1994 but today the country has one of the fastest developing economies in Africa and if they continue on this path for the next twenty years will become an economic hub.


As it's with individuals, so it's with Nations; poverty can be overcomed!

ContractKiller:
What fictional alternative sources of revenue are you jibbering about? Is it the ones they have refused to use in bettering themselves for the last 100 years, even before the amalgamation?

Was it not because of the extreme poverty in Aboki land that the British decided on amalgamation with the South?

How exactly does anyone "quickly develop" with massive poverty, desert encroachment and being a landlocked country?

Kindly elaborate. I'm in the mood to hear some first grade stupidity this morning.

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The roles of state exco only comes into place if the party is conducting indirect primaries through the selection/elections of party delegates at the state level who will now vote for the Governorship candidate.



The APC have learnt from past mistakes in Zamfara by avoiding that system which had been set up as a trap by Obaseki.
Instead, they opted for direct Primaries in which ALL party members will vote to pick the Governorship candidate.

This will by-pass the delegate middle men who can easily be handpicked by Obaseki and his accolytes like Anslem.

deavicky:
I tot as a state leader, he should be part of the primaries.

The State Chairman is just like a branch manager of a corporation , he can not determine the corporate plans of the organization.


His declaration of the primary as illegal is just like one HOD of a department in UNILAG declaring the conduct of an examination as illegal.