₦airaland Forum

Again you are exuding colonial mentality induced inferiority complex with ignorance.

So constructing dual carriage Express ways , building Hospitals and providing education for the people of Nigeria was beyond the level of Technology of 1960?

Establishing Faculties of Law and Engineering was beyond their levels of Technology?

To construct a bridge over River Niger to link Eastern Region with the Western Region by road was beyond the level of the British Colonial Masters?

In the whole of the the present Osun State, the British Colonial Government didn't establish any school.

The Late Ooni of Ife, Oba Adesoji Aderemi (May his Soul continue to rest in perfect peace) and the elites of Ife took it upon themselves to establish the first Secondary School, the Prestigious Oduduwa College, Ile-Ife in 1933, followed by Ilesha Grammar School in 1936 to educate our grandparents while University of Cape Town, South Africa was established in 1829.

Imagine what Nigeria would have been if UNILAG, UNICAL,OAU, UI, ABU,UNN and UNIBEN have been established by 1860.


What are the achievements of the British Colonial Government in Abia, Kebbi, Imo,Osun or Kwara States?

The British had no intention to develop Nigeria because they didn't want to stay here for long. They were only here for business ,for that was exactly what British Colonialism was in Africa.

The only lasting infrastructure constructed by the British in Nigeria, The Railways was essential to their business in carrying resources of Nigieria all over this country to the the ports for onward delivery to Britain.

They only made small isolated areas where they lived (GRAs) fairly comfortable for themselves and trained few Nigerians who could work in Colonial civil service, their apprentices and Sales boys/girls.

They deliberately prevented rapid development of Nigeria because this could threaten their interests.


The real development of Nigeria started after Independence by Nigerians ,no matter how imperfect or slow they may be.

Almost every element of modern development and Nationhood you see and take for granted today were started by our Native Political leaders.

miketayo:
lolz. are u comparing technology and development of 1960 to that of 1990? do u think if they stayed till 1990 they won't have made a power grid, good roads, standard hospitals, and many other things?
Do you think they wouldn't have built universities if they stayed till d 90's (you are not making a sense), if they haven't come to Africa at all do u think, technology will exist in Nigeria, we would still be going hunting and farming.
As at 1960, were those things u mentioned up there in South Africa, even UAE was a desert in the 60's.
2-5% had access to phones lolz, even in the 70's and 80's how many ppl do u think had access to phones. My parents used intercoms just within the estate in the 80's and 90's they had no access to landline till the late 90's .
Even in the 60's Nigerians that wanted to study had a better education than present day, have listened to Alhaji Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa speak ? compare it to ur Buhari . he had education even before the 60's. Ask ur parents what universities were like in their days and compare it to today.
The people of Zimbabwe forced the white men out of their country, u will find very few white Zimbabweans. Botswana, Namibia, and SA still have a lot of whites nationalized in the country, their lifestyle and way of thinking is still robbing off the blacks there to some extent.
You just typed a lot without having made a single point

Excuse me sir, is African Devil more wicked than European or American Devil?

Or there is only Devil but he lives in Africa with full time work but goes to part-time work in other parts of the world?

evil1:
I agree with you to some point and dont mind the ignorant childish and foolish ones here.
I see it as a fashion in some way but trust me we re in Africa ... and I will resist a handshake from a politicIan, yahooboy or cultist.

You obviously don't know much about what you are saying sir.


Let's assume that British Colonialism started in the whole of Nigeria in 1900 and ended in 1960 making it a period of 60 years.

As at Oct-1,1960;

1) There was no single dual carriage express way in the whole of Nigeria.

2) There was no electricity national grid and no power plants in Nigeria.The British Colonial Government imported huge Generators that provide Regular electricity for their residential areas called GRAs and offices. Later on, this was extended to few houses in administrative capitals.
Overall, about 95% of Nigeria didn't have electricity.

3) Adult literacy rate in Nigeria was about 15% in 1960 and there was no single University in Nigeria.
We only had a distant learning Campus of the University of London called University College, Ibadan.
That college didn't have it's own Senate, couldn't set it's own exams or conduct it's own matriculation or award it's own degrees because everything were done from London and only admitted about 100 Students per year.

As at 1960, you will have to come from very rich families to study Medicine because you will have to go to London from 300L to complete your medical studies.

Engineering and Law weren't allowed in that University College, Ibadan.

4) Only about 2-5% of Nigerians have access to telephone

5) As at Oct-1,1960 there were only three Hospitals in the whole of Ife-Ijesha Senatorial District ( which comprises of 10 LGAs) and these were Seventh-Day Adventist Hospital and the General Hospital, both in Ile-Ife and Wesley-Guild Hospital, Ilesha.

6) If the British had stayed till 1980, most of us won't be University graduates by now and only few cities will be developed.

7) Zimbabwe gained Independence in 1980.

miketayo:
Not true rural areas today would have be more developed than it is today, we would have stable power supply, our way of thinking and living would be similar to d 60's and 70's.
Look at Botswana, Namibia and South Africa.
In Namibia u can literally go out all day and come back to step on ur white bedsheets without staining it.
Zimbabwe that gained independence early like us is d only shitty country among those 4

Please stop peddling falsehoods.

Are you saying there is only one Int'l Airport and one Seaport in Nigeria and they are located in Lagos?

Odingo1:
Greedy South West and North will not agree, Lagos is congested because the seaport, international airport is only found in it.

South Africa have more than 6 seaport spread all over the country and also many standard international Airport.

Nigeria has only Lagos as major exit point for international travelers, only place to clear imported goods from abroad, only place for oil companies headquarters and so on. What did you expect.

Hmn, I understand your concerns but certain problems can't be solved by means of legislation.


The Headquarters of Chevron is in California (It actually Started as Standard Oil of California) but most of their operations are now in Texas, Alaska, Wyoming, Colorado.

Dikebuka:
My brother I get what you are saying, that was why I blamed the constitution and (oil and gas acts)).

We all know the economic benefit that oil and gas indirectly to the society in terms of transportation, business, food, housing etc.

What am saying in a simple terms is that in a sane society where state government control dia resources, companies and firms can't operating in dz manner..

I am not writing them off.

I have just observed that Nigerians who school in the best schools abroad like Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Yale, Oxford or Cambridge Universities are not necessarily more successful than locally trained Nigerians.

The most successful Lawyers, Doctos and Bankers in Nigieria were trained in Nigeria and not Harvard, London School of Economics or Cambridge.

How many companies are established, nurtured and managed by these Nigerian returnees?

How many Ivy league educated Lawyers in Nigeria are as successful as Wole Olanipekun, Alex Izoyin,Femi Falana or Mike Ozekhome?

The Icons of modern banking in Nigieria like Tony Elumelu, Jim Ovia and Fola Adeola are locally trained.

What proportion of our development as a nation can be ascribed to these well educated and refined Nigerians who schooled in Harvard, Oxford, Yale or Cambridge like their counterparts in USA or UK?

grandstar:
Don't easily write them off! If Onyeana could write a book at 18, it shows the benefit of attending such a school.

Also, a school is not an island. Graduates of such colleges may do better if they lived in the UK where they can network for instance. Also, the uni they attend and their personal drive count

Beyond tribal issues, there's one thing I notice from this story and similar stories which I think we should be discussing;

Most Nigerians who studied in the best British or American Schools don't necessarily become the most successful Nigerians in their chosen career or in life generally.
They seems not necessarily more successful than Nigerians who schooled at Government College, Umuahia or Ilesha Grammar School.

Does anyone has explanations for this observation?

Very wrong sir.

Arochukwu, Bende and most parts of Ngwaland were formerly Ibiobio.

Ibiobio didn't originate from Igbo rather many Igbos today originated from Ibiobio.

koning:
Ibibio clan is an extention of the Arochukwu clan. They are migrants from Arochukwu. One does not have to originate from core Igbo states to be Igbo. The entire old Esatern region is Igboid.

No wasn't, Sir Loius Mbanefo was the Chief Justice of Biafra.

saggis:
Igbo extention. Was he not a Judge or even Chief Judge in Biafra? just asking.

You are wrong sir.


Both attended the schools but are not the first blacks check you facts well sir.

koning:
First black/African man at Oxford = Emeka Ojukwu

First balck man in Eton College = Dilibe Onyeama.


Conclusion = IGBO AMAKA. Putting Nigeria and africa on the map since 1845.





Mod, do the needed. The world need to know.

You can site your office ANYWHERE you deem fit sir.

They have not broken ANY law sir. If you think they do, please qoute the section of the law that is breached sir.

It is not compulsory that your office and Factory,Mine or Shop should be close.
It doesn't matter whether you are mining coal, exploring for oil, refining crude oil or manufacturing Textiles.


I have told you earlier on that most of Chevron businesses in Nigeria is offshore (deep into the sea, off the continental shelf) and not on the soil of any State.
They paid their company (Oil and Gas) tax to the FG and not any State Government as some are erroneously insinuating.

Personal income tax of workers (whether workers of oil companies or Farmers) are expected to be paid to the States where they live.
However most Nigerians don't pay personal income tax unless it's deducted directly from source.

Dikebuka:
Oil is not exported in lagos.. That was a typographical error from my own end.

How can someone that studied petroleum engineering and had been to the field be ignorant of what he is saying...

I should be the one asking you how Innoson and Bua system of business relate to Chevron....

How many oil and gas firms are in lagos when their field of operations are in Bayelsa, Akwa ibom, Imo, Edo and even Delta state..

Even majority of BUA's workforce is at Okpella in Edo.

Bros ,do you agree that you don't know much about the oil industry sir?

Where precisely in Lagos are crude oil exported sir?

You have been talking about so many things you have little knowledge about.

Dikebuka:
The field I made reference to Oil and Gas which is under the extractive industry. Chevron is a private company but when you are into extractive, you don't sight your office and residential area outside you field of study..

Its only the hopeless Nigeria constitution that is empowering all this.. You know how many operators of marginal field are in lagos when their OML location are far away from their operational basis..even the export of the crudes are done via Lagos.

A lot of indirect development, that is suppose to have come to d states through local contents, investment, housing and technology is concentrated in a particular place because of bad government policy.

Bulk of which tax exactly?

ejanla077:
What if a company just rent a 3 bedroom flat in Yenegoa and designate it 'Head Office' to fulfill all righteousness but the bulk of their Staff are coordinated from a 20 floor skyscraper in Awka, Anambra?

They will still pay the bulk of tax to bayelsa

They know what they want- Presidency in 2032 through Atiku 2023-2032.

LivingSage:
Jim Nwobodo, Apa Aku and co,. memories. O won't insult you baba, you done with the late sage.
Meanwhile, it is easy for Camel to enter a hole than for Ndi Igbo to become Nigeria president. First, they should go and know what they want. They're Confused.
You'll be seeing some in this Same page clamour for PRESIDENCY, others for Biafra. THEY'RE JOKERS, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.
NOTHING LIKE IGBO PRESIDENCY

What's MURIC saying about the ways Bandits are killing muslims in the North?

We haven't heard anything from Yerima Shettima on these killings.

I won't say it because I don't like to offend people especially on social media.

Dikebuka:
What level of Education do you think I will be in, with what I mentioned so far..

Being poor is a transient phase and NOT a permanent disability.


In 1914, China was a poor country and Saudi Arabia in 1935 was one of the poorest countries on Earth with Camels as the commonest means of transportation between cities.

As at 1960, Nigeria was better than Indonesia or Malaysia and Dubai was a backward fishing village in 1970.

Rwanda was a very poor country with tribal tension leading to bloody civil war in 1994 but today the country has one of the fastest developing economies in Africa and if they continue on this path for the next twenty years will become an economic hub.


As it's with individuals, so it's with Nations; poverty can be overcomed!

ContractKiller:
What fictional alternative sources of revenue are you jibbering about? Is it the ones they have refused to use in bettering themselves for the last 100 years, even before the amalgamation?

Was it not because of the extreme poverty in Aboki land that the British decided on amalgamation with the South?

How exactly does anyone "quickly develop" with massive poverty, desert encroachment and being a landlocked country?

Kindly elaborate. I'm in the mood to hear some first grade stupidity this morning.

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The roles of state exco only comes into place if the party is conducting indirect primaries through the selection/elections of party delegates at the state level who will now vote for the Governorship candidate.



The APC have learnt from past mistakes in Zamfara by avoiding that system which had been set up as a trap by Obaseki.
Instead, they opted for direct Primaries in which ALL party members will vote to pick the Governorship candidate.

This will by-pass the delegate middle men who can easily be handpicked by Obaseki and his accolytes like Anslem.

deavicky:
I tot as a state leader, he should be part of the primaries.

The State Chairman is just like a branch manager of a corporation , he can not determine the corporate plans of the organization.


His declaration of the primary as illegal is just like one HOD of a department in UNILAG declaring the conduct of an examination as illegal.

What's your level of Education sir?

Dikebuka:
When Shell explored oil the first time in the eastern region then, the place they sighted all their facilities was in Owerri which was incidentally one of the first place they explore for oil..it would interest you to know that iho which was one of the earliest areas oil and gas exploration was in imo state..they did not discover oil in commercial quantity then.

Shell some years back sold off there assets in Warri to marginal company and those companies sight their bases in lagos. These kind of thing can only happen in Nigeria. Shell has office in lagos, but the bulk of there asset which house the residential and industrial layout is in Port Harcourt. Same as Total and Exxon Mobil, and the servicing giants Halliburton and Schlumberger

I have asked you questions that relates with the oil and gas acts and the constitution. which you certainly don't. If those assets where under the control of the state, do you think most of these oil and gas firms will have their bases far away from state or region where their assets are.

Why do you think NPDC was sighted in Benin Edo state, If not for the fact that most of her assets are within Edo/Delta axis, though some assets are in imo

Let me explain few part of the oil and gas acts, cause I not legal studies though these relates to me.. It empowers the federal govt to give lease such as oil prospecting and mining lease to company of interest, it empowers the same government to give determine the nature of business whether joint venture or production service contract. it automatic makes the government the owner any oil and gas discovered in your backyard.

Firstly I don't engage people who insults people while making their comments.

It shows ill mannered and uncultured behaviours.

However, for the sake of others reading this post, I will point out certain facts to you.

1) Resources to develop a Nation abound in the North and the most important factor of all these factors of production is HUMAN factors.

2) The North has substantial population which can be deployed into production by training them to acquire the necessary skills and education which are NOT inborn but acquired.
Anybody can become educated and/or acquired skills.

3) The North has huge land mass which can and is producing rice, beans, maize, groundnuts, cotton and support Animal Husbandry.
All these if properly harnessed, processed and exported can generate more fund than what Nigeria is currently generating from crude oil.

The North has gold, Tin and many other mineral resources.

4) Why hasn't the North make use of all these resources to develop themselves? The Ans= NIGERIA and it's petrol Dollars.

It's the same reason why Enugu and Ondo States aren't currently enjoying the wealth from their coal and bitumen resources.

5) Sometimes, we don't run until we see something pursuing us. That's when we know how far we can run.

ContractKiller:
What fictional alternative sources of revenue are you jibbering about? Is it the ones they have refused to use in bettering themselves for the last 100 years, even before the amalgamation?

Was it not because of the extreme poverty in Aboki land that the British decided on amalgamation with the South?

How exactly does anyone "quickly develop" with massive poverty, desert encroachment and being a landlocked country?

Kindly elaborate. I'm in the mood to hear some first grade stupidity this morning.

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I have always asked the same question in the past until I discovered the answers;


Higher institutions especially private universities are controlled environment where MOST people (because of their levels of education and exposure) believe they should support the system to be well organized and neat.

If you put 70 area boys,okada riders, vulganizers, Agbo sellers and mamaput in this campus, after two months, the place won't be this neat.

In the outside world, majority of the people don't believe that you should support neat environment and they do anything they like anyhow.

RealAAdekunjo:
I wonder why it is only the higher institutions that is constructed beautifully like this
why can't all the environment in Nigeria look beautiful and presemtable like this......
make I dey observe!!

Apart from the Wall gheko which of course doesn't have big body ,I have eaten all thes animals

emaskocoded:
I've seen people eat bats and snakes over here

You are wrong sir,

1) They have acquired tastes for 'good things'

2) They will quickly look inward for alternative sources of revenues which every region have in abundance

3) Corruption will reduce drastically because there won't be any surplus free money to loot.

4) The only real threat to the economic recovery of the North in the first 10 years post disintegration is Islamic terrorism because in the ensuring economic hardship in the first 24 months after the disintegration, Islamic fundamentists will want to grab power to proclaim a Caliphate.

ContractKiller:
All these flashy, superficial "achievements" would immediately fall into disrepair when these people eventually have to be on their own.


The fact still remains that were it not for the South generating 90% of this country's income you guys would remain as wretched and impoverished as your primitive lifestyles have destined you to be.

DenreleDavis(f);


Good to hear this.
However I think the essence of the NYSC posting will be defeated by giving people the chance to chose where they like to serve.

DenreleDave:
Ys.. We are allowed to choose 4 states..

We will be posted to one of those states..

Pls I am guy like u with scrotum

This Bros is funny die!

Is Shell Office ONLY in Owerri?

Shell is at liberty to open offices in ANY State.

Please qoute the sections of the Constitution and Oil &Gas Act that mention where a private company should site their offices?

Dikebuka:
So why was Shell facility located in Owerri then.....which incidentally was one of the places that shell explored for oil... You are not dealing with a normal nairaland stroll..I have told u to check d oil and gas acts and constitution

You are a specialist in propanganda.

Post the unedited video where MC Oluomo specifically mentioned Saraki or threatened the life of Saraki.

Gandollar:
MC Oluomo was in kwara and made a video of himself threatening Saraki's life. It went viral.

Excuse me sir,
Is PDP going to spill your blood or the blood of other people's children?

Obaseki doesn't know you o.


Don't die for any politician.
Don't be surprised if Oshiomole and Obaseki later reconcile and start drinking wine together.

romenna:
apc is ready to bring war.
We in pdp will match them, blood for blood.
I support kabiru
If they tink of using FG might, we'll show them that the power of the people is more than the people in power.
Enuf is enuf
No more hatchet job against Edo people by outsiders.
We will resist them violently
Whoever is coming to Edo for election manipulation should pray with their families b4 leaving their state of residence.
From gov uzodima to inec officials n police.
Make all una pray b4 comin to benin because una go learn new things from us

And if security operatives ask him to report in their office, he will be screaming 'human rights' or 'Freedom of Speech'

Gandollar:
Guy forget tout matter when you are in Edo state. No gentleman in Edo state, whether male or female.

Oshiomole himself you will agree is toutish. Remember the "go and die" incident? That's from a sitting governor to a poor erring street widowed street hawker, and on TV!

So I will advise my governor to thread carefully. He Uzodinma, cannot take coal to Enugu.

Excuse me madam, are you saying prospective NYSC members now chose the States they want to serve just like prospective students chose the universities they want in JAMB forms?

DenreleDave:
I choose the state in my 4 selections for nysc. But not yet posted sha

Mr EnuguPikin, you seem to have little regards for Always Ibom people, however you ought to know that poverty rate in Enugu State is higher than that of Akwa-Ibom?

Enugupikin:
They're definitely wasting it...go to Akwa-Ibom and see many poor people who can't afford to eat, why waste resources on something that's not useful

You will also notice Akwa-Ibom has the number 1 highest HIV rate in Nigeria..what happened to using the funds to buy free condoms for it's populace since na only fuccckk them Sabi...waste of resources when their people need it

I can't just stop laughing at what you just wrote.


Oil companies , Automobile or Cement manufacturing Companies unlike Public Corporation are all private companies and have the same liberty to set up their estates or offices anywhere.

The Government can NOT dictate to companies how and where they should set up their offices.

Suppose a 'Law' is promulgated that all oil companies should set up their head offices not more than 1 Kilometer away from their area of operation, what will now open to Chevron that have their oil rigs off shore, 60km away from the nearest Village on Nigerian soil?

What will happen if the company have oil fields in 5 States?

What if an oil company move from Ondo State to another State following discovery of oil there, say Anambra State or Borno State?

What if a company just rent a 3 bedroom flat in Yenegoa and designate it 'Head Office' to fulfill all righteousness but the bulk of their Staff are coordinated from a 20 floor skyscraper in Awka, Anambra?

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