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Jeflox:
INDEED I HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY NIGERIA IS. EVERYTHING IS JUST MOVING DISORDERLY WITH NOBODY DIRECTING THEM TO MOVE ARIGHT. TALKING ABOUT OUR HEALTH SECTOR....POLITICS HAVE EATEN DEEP INTO HEALTH SECTOR THAT THE EFFECT IS VERY MUCH TELLING ON THE POOR PATIENTS IN ALL NIGERIAN HOSPITALS. WHAT ARE THESE POLITICS GOING ON ALWAYS BETWEEN DOCTORS AND OTHER HEALTH WORKERS ESPECIALLY MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTISTS. THOUGH AM A BARRISTER BUT I REMEMBERED VIVIDLY WHEN THE FIGHT WAS BETWEEN DOCTORS AND PHARMACISTS, DOCTORS AND NURSES, DOCTORS AND RADIOGRAPHERS, DOCTORS AND PHYSIOTHERAPISTS, NOW IT'S DOCTORS AND MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTISTS. WHY CAN'T ACTUALLY NIGERIAN DOCTORS FACE THEIR WORK WITHOUT THIS THEIR CONSTANT FIGHT WITH OTHER HEALTH WORKERS. THE TRUTH SHOULD BE TOLD PLS, WHAT ARE THE PATHOLOGISTS CLAIMING THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT LABORATORY ANALYSIS THAN THE MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTIST THAT JUST SPENT 5YEARS +1 READING ONLY THE COURSE AND U THAT MIGHT HAVE DONE IT AS A CRASH PROGRAM FOR PROBABLY ONE YEAR WANT TO GO AND HEAD THEM. SINCE I HAVE KNOWN DOCTORS.....IT'S BEEN ALL ABOUT HEADING THIS PEOPLE AND HEADING THAT PEOPLE. I SEE POMPOSITY IN OUR NIGERIAN DOCTORS WHEN MANY OF THEM ACTUALLY NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL....HAVE MET ONE DIAGNOSING ME LOOKING AT TEXTBOOK. I AM DIRECTLY TALKING TO OUR NIGERIAN DOCTORS .....REDUCE UR EGO, I THINK THAT IS UR PROBLEM. SINCE U HAVE UR DEPARTMENT, PLS HEAD IT AND LEAVE OTHER HEALTH WORKERS TO DO THEIR JOB PLZ. THE MAIN CHAIN OF HOSPITAL CONSULTATION SHOULD WORK IN HARMONY: DOCTOR - NURSE- PHARMACIST- MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTIST. THE FIGHT BETWEEN THE PATHOLOGIST AND MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTIST MAKES IT LOOK AS IF PATHOLOGISTS ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THEIR JOB DISCRIPTION.....BCOZ I CANT IMAGINE WHY A PATHOLOGIST IS TRYING TO RUN A TEST HE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE
ABOUT. IF THEY ARE PAYING A DOCTOR, 400K, LET THEM PAY A MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTIST 300K, SINCE THE MONEY IS NOT COMING FROM ANY OF U BUT IT'S OUR NAIJA MONEY. BOTH GROUPS ARE TRYING.

Google is your friend bro,why not google 'Medical Laboratories' and see the Professional Staff where the Pathologist comes first and MLS is placed on No.4
Sir,google is still working,why not search for 'Pathologist' on google and see what they do.

What other reasons For six years you're telling me is volunteer duty or vocational calling or some religious sh!t, I've seen enough to know when somebody is being economical with the truth.

Once privatisation sets in, I won't need the help of a non specialist doctor at all. I've got to get my money's worth instead of wasting it seeing someone who isn't an expert in the field. Mushroom private hospitals can't afford to pay specialist and who says I can't afford the best. Meanwhile, specialist who knows and worth his/her onion often works with specialist in other professions to achieve the best.

@ topic, the writeup is swerved fully on loggerhead between doctors and others not necessarily on the benefit to Nigerians, more of what doctors have to gain and how others will lose big time if privatisation takes place. I will rather approve an NHS styled management than giving it out to a bunch of businessmen who knows nothing about medicine/hospital but how to maximize profits.

Nigeria is NOT great because many Nigerians can't think deeply.Doctors,Pharmacists,Lawyers etc go to universities firstly to become better persons( getting paid employment is just one of the advantages of this betterment).
There are many doctors and other professionals who never worked as paid employees and rather employ other people and many more who only work as employees for a short period.
Specialist doctors are the peak of the medical pyramids and are FEW in every Country.
There is NO country where only specialist doctors attend to patients.
If you have money(as you are boasting) you can always receive specialist medical servives in the super private hospitals (like EKO,St.Nicholas,Lagoon,Modulla in Kano,Nordical)

MeAboki:
I think the answers to your questions are already there and clearly stated in the enabling laws of the regulatory bodies of the two professions, MDCN (doctors) and MLSCN (lab scientists) and in the current judgement by the court.

I have tried to access the links you provided for relevant information in order to appreciate your position but without success.

However, it should be obvious that accordingly if the professions are distinct and the scientists entitled to their department with their own structure and hierarchy then how could it still be possible for pathologists to continue assuming the headship of laboratories?
Obviously, what now has to follow is for pathologists to vacate their seats as administrative heads of the various lab specialties (chem pathology, haematology, micro/bacteriology, BGS etc) for relevant appointed directors/deputy directors of med lab services to rightfully assume as heads, in accordance with govt's scheme of service.

Pathologists may therefore wish to regroup themselves in their own department of morbid anatomy.

BTW, I don't see how the two can end up sharing the same lab (perhaps histopathology), since pathologists are not primarily involved in bench work i.e. actually carrying the laboratory tests but more with the interpretation of test results and advising other doctors on the patient's management.
However, I do concede that there may be a small overlap involving e.g. administration of drugs etc, particularly in invivo dynamic tests that may arguably be construed as purely medical/surgical procedures (I presume this may be what you were referring to as clinical laboratory practice); though I believe this can easily be sorted out based on re-examining of the laws as well as on physical redesigning of the lab, but only in this regard, which in any case constitutes a very small fraction of all laboratory investigations carried out in hospitals.

Finally, it is quite untrue that med lab scientists want to become pathologists but quite the other way round where pathologists want to be both.

You clearly display great ignorance but since google is still working,you can check who is a Pathologist and what Pathologists do on google.
The Laboratories in Tertiery hospitals like the teaching hospitals are NOT departments on their own but units(like workshops) within the various Pathology departments,just as the Operation theatres and ICUs are units within Departments of Surgery and Anaesthesia respectively.
So you can not have Haematology or Chemical Pathology Labs without Haematologists or Chemical Pathologists(who are doctors with postgraduate specializations in Pathology)

kay02:
am from Ipetu Ijesha, I tell you is a place to proud of.... RIP oba ajalaiye baderin

Yes you are very correct.I represent Ipetu (full blooded).
My family house is at Odose quaters and the late Oba Bodunrinde Oke,Agunbiade 11(1950-1972) was my maternal grand father.

oluwaseunla:
Nigeria has now got to the extent where 'educated' people take pride in their tribe killing another human, all in the name of tribalism. Boy! This country is in more trouble than I thought.

If you are educated and enlightened enough to have access to internet, and post here and spew so much tribalistic vitriol, what hope is there for the illiterates?

The so-called educated and 'enlightened' Nigerians are the problems of this Country.
The Illiterates(who are too busy,looking for what to eat) are NOT as tribalistic as the educated and especially the politically conscious class of Nigerians

Ajerry:
Facts about Oba of Benin compare to yoruba
Oba
1) yoruba standpoint based on mythology
while the Edo take the reality option
2)yoruba see oduduwa(izududuwa) as god
descended from sky while the benin know his birth through Ekaladerhan
3)oba was never yoruba title until recently
adopted
4)yoruba has the population that why scholars
beliefs them. the most.but that not a basic-
comparing American english to the British because they has world power so you wont
conclude american own english?
5)reason some part of nigeria speak yoruba
including some part of edo is due to migration
and displacement in search of food and human
relation-the edo only conquered but lack zeal to teach bini language. presently we have edos
in ofigi idah kogi state where i just graduated.
6)the yoruba empire-oyo empire in my
secondary school days why exclude bini
empire?,because we have three major tribes in
nigeria Bini empire conquer most part of nigeria and
present republic of benin with the help of the
Oba.presently edo is scatter in all part of nigeria.
SIMILARITIES
as though much similaraties it a long story
but we believe that the alafin of oyo and his people are our brothers from the same
oranmiyan because oranmiyan came to benin
to to give birth to Eweka 1.He was one who
left benin and returned to Ife. But by the time
he got to ife his father oduduwa or
Ekaladerhan may has died inconclusion if any chief is so envy of oba of benin(may him live
long) back to back from the time we fought
the white and the legend queen mother was a
hit and if you so much desire that title"OBA" so
much COME AND COLLECT IT".stil remain my
humble self A-jerry

source https://mobile.facebook.com/notes/a-jerry-poems/fact-about-oba-of-benin-compare-to-the-yoruba-oba-by-akene-jeremiah/1083138741729116/?refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1083138741729116%3Atl_objid.1083138741729116%3Athid.100000990020361%3A306061129499414%3A51%3A0%3A1456819199%3A-1713149104257811998

1)Before Oduduwa came to Ile-Ife,there were 16 Kings in Ife and some of them had the word 'Oba' as a prefix to their names e.g Obatala,Obalufon etc
2)The Edo word for king is Ogie or Ogiso and they later adopted the title of Oba after Oranmiyan,the son of Oduduwa established his dynasty in Igodomingodo(Benin).It was Oranmiyan that later called the place Ile-Ibinu( later corrupted to Ibini-Bini-Benin) meaning 'Land of vexation' and left the place for his Son,prince Eweka to become the first Oba of Bini

Aminat508:
are you from Ipetu-Ijesha?

I think he is from Odose quarters,Ipetu-Ijesha

Kestolovee95:
why are you trying very hard to educate dunderheads like him. He pretends he doesn't know that there are Igbo in delta and rivers, these are monkeys that even call efiks, ijaws, ibibios, omo ibo Stop educating the yoruba monkey, they have been on their knees begging their allah to create a problem between SE Igbos and "SS" Igbos, Ijaws, ogonis etc since the Eastern bloc voted as one the last election. The north has abandoned them, now they are looking for allies in the south. yorubas are done for in this contraption, God help them.

I think you suffer from delusion of persecution,making you to assume that ANYONE THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT IGBO/BIAFRA ON NAIRALAND MUST BE A YORUBA. FYI YModulus(who opened this thread) is a Hausa/Fulani man from Katsina.
Your assertion that Yorubas are doom in Nigeria reflect the thought of your infantile mind...NO ETHNIC GROUP IS DOOM IN NIGERIA.

Jok3r:
why asking the public.. when we have soldiers and policemen to do dere job... make una leave d masses too.. if him tif na money wetin una need the money back for? after all pple Wey tif pass him dey

It is very unfortunate the way some Nigerian think;they are often more emotional than rational,they support an accused criminal because he is from their Tribes or because they don't like the incumbent Government.
It is worrisome the alacrity with which most commentators from a section of the Country rush to defend anyone accuse of corruption since May 29,2015.

yemmight:
The guy don dey Kolo, believe me.

Honestly,I have beening thinking along this line.Nnamdi Kanu appaer to have an underlying Psychiatric illness,possibly Bipolar disorders.

OkwuruOKARISIA:
Wat might be the result of today's ruling?.....i need this man released!

They can't release him nau,he is being charged for TREASON which is punishable by death,so Nnamdi Kanu will be sentenced to DEATH but IGBOS Leaders will start mounting pressure on PMB to commute it to prison terms.

tuniski:
whatsoever survives him makes him an odessus !! Buhari lost 3times with all your huricane nonsense and nw/ne bloc votes so what is new? I tell u people only wanted a new experiment and buhari was fortunate. The emotional decision is now faced with reality. Buhari will be beaten again except he fails to recontest. Go on the streets and feel the pulse of the emotional voters whose condition has worsen since May 29th.

Rather your comment is more emotional,largely based on your hatred for Buhari....2019 Is a long time in Politics.

Anyone with sound Knowledge of the political History of Nigeria will easily agree that unless the PDP regain power at Abuja in 2019( a remote possibility),the party will fizzle out of the South-east in a very short time.

crisngige:
What's the meaning of Illorin, does anyone know?

Ilorin is Yoruba word coined from 'Ilu-Erin' meaning town of Elephants.Other Historians said it was corruption of two Yoruba words, 'Ilo Irin'= anvy to sharpene Ironm
Hunters from Old-Oyo,led by one AYINLA founded Ilorin some centuries ago.

Balkan:
Sometimes, I wonder why all these people that said they migrated from Bini don't have their own language. Why do all of them speak Igbo dialect. They forget their language as they travel.

Because what we NOW known as Igbo Language is actually a fusion of the Migrants' Languages,Igala and MANY aboriginal peoples inhabiting what now constitute the South-east of Nigeria.
NO LANGUAGE develop from only ONE source

lincolnj88:
hope its d revenue from gworo will be used for this unprofitable ventures.....

1) Wrong and misguided statement.It is in Nigeria and indeed the N/Delta interest that Oil is found in other parts of the Country and it is a profitable venture
2) With modern Technology,almost every Country will be discovered to have Oil and as such it may not continue for LONG to be a very sought after commodity for international trade but it will still be needed to power our industries in the short term.
3) Gworo (Kolanut) is chewed very well by the Northerners but it not grown by them.It is grown by the Southerners( S/West and some parts of S/East)

dictbennie:
Oga, before you come here to inform gullible persons here trash here, let me educate you....The Apoi's of ondo state are not yorubas, they migrated from Apoi clan in Bayelsa state just like the Arogbos that migrated from Gbaraun in Bayelsa state...the Apoi's bear Yoruba names nd speak like them because of the influence of their neighbours I.e the ikales and the Ilajes..Even the arogbos include some Yoruba words to the Ijaw dialect they speak...As I am talking to you, the Apoi's have traced their origin to the Apoi clan of Bayelsa state which speak the same dialect ijaw like the Arogbos and have started calling their kids ijaw names..I have a few of them as friends...and a family friend was one of the persons that went to Bayelsa then...That's far the Apoi's are now telling their arogbo brothers that they are not more ijaw than them....The AROGBO IJAWS and the APOI'S are pure Ijaw people.....any Apoi man that denies it, doesn't know his origin...simple!

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This type of debate need to take into consideration,the following eternal truths;
1) ALL Human beings are the same.
2) Tribes and Nations are NOT static but very dynamic.For instance 1000 years ago they were no American Nation,Yorubas,Igalas,Swedish Nation or Igbo Nation but they are today because every 1000 years,Tribes/ethnicity are lost and new one are formed.
3) There is no Tribe/ Nation that's formed 100% from one particular sources
4) Everyone comes from somewhere if you border to dig down into History enough.
5) The Yoruba Nation,The English Nation,The Hausa Nation just like any othe big Nations( especially with successful military might to form an Empire in the past) have absorbed and assimilated many peoples from different background.

patriotic007:
When i said buhari is going into too many battles....people attacked me....Nigeria is too over reliant on oil....buhari trying to bite the finger that is feeding him is not wise

Shut up! This is not about Buhari(he is NOT directly affected),this is about you and me,the ordinary citizens that will bear the brunt-drop in electricity and petroleum supply.
These N/Delta have declared war on the Country,their actions are aimed at bringing the incumbent Government down with distasterous consequences for the economy which will affect largely the masses including you.
They are not patriotic or loyal citizens of this Country and people that are supporting them are enemies of Nigeria.

arabaribiti:
See that oguntoyinbo using the wife and son to collect nigeria money gbogbo eyin ti e ba ilu yi je omori abo ki ri di joko, igbaju igbamu ni kerikeri gbe ro de ijo, yio bale yio bale ni labalaba fi wogbo eni ku eni run sugbon eni roju saye yin

Karaole o Baba...En pa'Ofo nii?

Good,this is the kind of news we need to hear about Nigeria.Dantoge is a smart and handworking entrepreneur,a worthy role-medel for up coming Nigerian entrepreneurs.

GorkoSusaay:
But Hausa-Fulani rules?

This is a great fallacy that took deep roots during the prolong Military rule when Northernere had unfair advantages,even at that most of the Military rulers like Gowon,IBB,Abacha and Abdulsalami are NOT fulanis but Northern Minorities.
If we continue this constitutional Democracy,NO TRIBE/ETHNIC GROUP can rule consecutively for a very long time because YOU WILL NEED A QUATER OF THE VOTES CAST IN TWO-THIRD OF THE STATES IN NIGERIA to win Presidential elections.

Udmaster:
Kwara is a Fulani State.
If you doubt it, go and ask Emir of Ilorin or their fulani governor..

Yorubas should be careful OR ELSE.

If you don't know something,ask those that know and stop displaying ignorance in Public.
The incumbent Governor of Kwara, Alh Ahmed is a YORUBA man from Share Town,Irepodun LGA.
The Fulanis haven't produced any elected Governor in Kwara State.

ZUBY77:
Since Buhari and his cronies are hell bent on tagging every PDP member a thief, everybody will move to APC.

Lets see how he handles that.
Apparently, Democracy in Nigeria is already dead.
It's only a matter of time before you see it.
The moment you start to gag everybody, even the opposition spokesman, obtaining usless court order from one Aboki to another, to keep them locked up, the others will end up in APC like Amaechi, Saraki, etc.

And for those kids shouting PDP is dead, you don't get it. PDP is turning to APC. So the dead people are shifting their Graves closer to the house. Sooner or later, the army will have to take over this shithole again. And we will be rolled back to 1970.

The PDP will not remain the same again.The OLD PDP wil die while the new PDP will emerge from its ashes to become the new champion and defender of the masses

MeAboki:
I think the answers to your questions are already there and clearly stated in the enabling laws of the regulatory bodies of the two professions, MDCN (doctors) and MLSCN (lab scientists) and in the current judgement by the court.

I have tried to access the links you provided for relevant information in order to appreciate your position but without success.

However, it should be obvious that accordingly if the professions are distinct and the scientists entitled to their department with their own structure and hierarchy then how could it still be possible for pathologists to continue assuming the headship of laboratories?
Obviously, what now has to follow is for pathologists to vacate their seats as administrative heads of the various lab specialties (chem pathology, haematology, micro/bacteriology, BGS etc) for relevant appointed directors/deputy directors of med lab services to rightfully assume as heads, in accordance with govt's scheme of service.

Pathologists may therefore wish to regroup themselves in their own department of morbid anatomy.

BTW, I don't see how the two can end up sharing the same lab (perhaps histopathology), since pathologists are not primarily involved in bench work i.e. actually carrying the laboratory tests but more with the interpretation of test results and advising other doctors on the patient's management.
However, I do concede that there may be a small overlap involving e.g. administration of drugs etc, particularly in invivo dynamic tests that may arguably be construed as purely medical/surgical procedures (I presume this may be what you were referring to as clinical laboratory practice); though I believe this can easily be sorted out based on re-examining of the laws as well as on physical redesigning of the lab, but only in this regard, which in any case constitutes a very small fraction of all laboratory investigations carried out in hospitals.

Finally, it is quite untrue that med lab scientists want to become pathologists but quite the other way round where pathologists want to be both.

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It appear you don't fully understand what a Medical Laboratory is.All over the World,the Medical Laboratory function lilke a Workshop with multi-professional staff of the hospital utilizing the Laboratories.
In hospital settings,Laboratories are established as 'worksshops' for the various Pathology departments e.g Chemical PATHOLOGY Lab for the department of Chemical Pathology.
You can NOT have a true Chemical PATHOLOGY Lab without a CHemical Pathologist!
MLS can opt out to have their own departments with their own Labs if the hospital management can afford it but PATHOLOGY Labs are units within the PATHOLOGY Departments.

james2man:
Annumaki don't mind nurex guy. Other than the sacred words they believe is written in the qoran, how is it different from other books(like text books)printed in a printing press factory, used the same materials(paper). Except if the nurex guy can prove to me that the copies of qoran wasnt printed by human in a printing press factory.

This Nurex guy won use Laugh tear my Belle o.I dey laugh in Arabic o

Nnamdi Kanu was busy with inciting broadcasts, hate speech against non-Igbo Nigerians and even threatened the Country with War,yet some people are saying he did nothing wrong

Faremisodeeq:
Jews at work.

Jews are NEITHER Sunni nor Shiite Muslims and the Jews have no significant influence on (Muslim) Saudi Arabia

scholes0:
The Ogori peoples' status confuse me generally.
They speak Yoruba generally, but some say they are Ebira, others say they are their own eth ic group. Some even say that they are Edo.

The Ogori/Mangogos appear to be descendants of peoples from diverse origins but majority are from Ile-Ife with minority from Ebira,Igala and very few from Edo to form a Unique blend.
If they say they are Yorubas,they are correct and if they elect to be a distinct ethnic group,they are also correct.

engrfaruq:
President Buhari have just concluded his first presidential media chat, he said a lot and we observed much, what is your observation?

Check the Wailers.

Scout60:
its it only Biafra that will suffer.
what of the northerners who troop to Biafra to Polish our shoes

1) Those people you call Shoe shiners are only part-time Shoe shiners,they have farms in Zamfara,Katsina,Yobe etc which they returned to during raining seasons.
2) Shoe shining isn't a specialized skiills,thus they can easily be replacement for them and they can easily find new clients.

Things will get better with time.

kayjasper:
Once a while some light shines in the dark but the gullible ones refuse to see it.
Once a while the lightening strikes just to show us the path, but many still stumble into pits in the rainstorm.
When will the proverbial thinking cap be 'put on"?
Until there is no more Wisdom in the thinking cap?
Which way Ndiigbo?