₦airaland Forum

Ekealterego:
You see this particular energy you have is just exactly the same energy organisations like IPOB or even an average Igbo had.
This shows in their national politics and how they align in issues.

Before Jonathan, the average Igbo thinks and believes that Ijaws were "brothers" who speak a different language. In fact, they view everyone from Rivers to Cross-Rivers as such, even some go as far as Idoma.

When you see national sentiments and concerns regarding fight for environments, minority rights, the oil spill or even killings etc, Igbos would usually be most vocal, which pits them against the other big two.

The last one I remember was the installation of Jonathan when Yaradua died, his first election and re-election. Normally, one can support a candidate, but you see the average Igbo supported Jonathan despite his performance. I remember how scary it was in Lagos, many people had to buy cutlass at home because of Jonathan.

During the Niger-Delta fight, Saro Wiwa etc.

Yes, I know there are Igbos in SS so the interest but you see most Igbo will not discuss for their own rights without saying "SE and SS"... in this caption, adding Ijaws to it.

Numerically, Ijaws alone cannot influence matters on behalf or against the Igbos in national politics or rights, they will have more to gain if they aligned with Yorubas.

While Igbos were doing this, the Ijaws were using that time to spread anti-Igbo sentiments any chance they get. This particular energy you see if new.

Apart from the wranglings on social media and the activities of secessionist groups, in reality Ijaw, Ignorance, Urhobo, Efik, Bini and even Yoruba get along well in real life.

However, the nature of co-existence in the present day Nigeria make tribal identies seems important for POLITICAL patronage. However, it should be noted that Ijaws seeking to promote Ijaw interests is not exactly the same thing as promoting anti-igbo interests




Outside of this, these ethnic groups have no problems with each other.

newbornmacho:
Hahahahahaha....

Please get more Muslim terrorists to come and help you chase out Jonathan again oooooo

North is going to bleed more until the anger of God abates.

I love the justice of God

Was the anger of God also responsible for the Unknown Gun Men violence in Imo, Anambra and Abia States?

AdaNri1:
Tomorrow if you bring Onyekachi or Chimezie who is the leading global economist, with PhD, and experience in leadership and bring Abdulateef or Nasir a primary school graduate, their people will still vote a clueless Nasir.

In the western world, people are elected based on their performance at previous offices, in Nigeria we elect based on tribe, religion and coke/malt bottle gifted.

And we wonder why it’s a sh!t hole that everyone is trying to escape

Okay, but how were T.A Orji, Gborugburu and Ikpeazu elected?

Wiseandtrue:
Tinubu is NEVER a man of his words

He's so dishonest! Greedy! Diabolical! Heartless and very selfish!

Vote for Atiku/Wike, they are not greedy and not corrupt.

This kind of stunts should be discouraged.


The school need to seek expert medical opinions before organising these kinds of events

OfoIgbo:
The point you made in this message is different from the general battle going on.

If Ijaws in nairaland were making this point you just made, the trajectory of the battle would have been different. I'm sure you noticed that most Ijaws on nairaland are making the point that Bonny indigenes were not Igbo. That Igbos only came into Ubani as slaves.
So far, I and my fellow Igbos have debunked that, showing from records put together by neutral observers that not only were the slaves, mostly Igbos, we have shown from different records that the ruling families of Bonny, Kalabari and Opobo are of Igbo ancestry, and also that the Bonny indigenes themselves, are mainly of Igbo ancestry.

Now getting back to the point you just made, if Bonny and Opobo people now claim Ijaw identity, how come there is a concerted effort by Bayelsa organisations to force Ibani on the locals, and actively encouraging them not to speak Igbo?

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Ekealterego
Igboid
Slayerforever
Bkayy
9Pluto
Eastlink

What exactly is the difference between Ijaw and Igbo?


There many people we now regard as Igbos whose forefathers came from Ijaw villages and there are Ijaws today whose ancestors came from igbo villages.



Both the Ijaw and Igbo identities as we know them today were recently fabricated social groups created by the British Colonial Masters for the purpose of identifications largely based on perceived similarities in languages, culture and coextensive territories.

udemzyudex:
Rubbish talk, bribe with cars?

You mean the governors can't afford any car if their choice that wike will bribe them with cars for a VP slot?

Abeg gettat

What exactly do you think he will use to bribe the Governors?

Sctests:
BTW wike is just wasting his money.

If a yorubaman emerges in APC which will now give PDP the confidence to ceed it to the North, Tambuwal will not emerge as PDP's candidate, which means Wike's ambition is dead.

How do you know that Tambuwal will not emerge as PDP's candidate?


By the way, Wike is scheming to be the Vice-presidential candidate irrespective of whoever emerge as the PDP's presidential candidate.

mrksquare:
There is a precedent. Odili tried it and failed woefully inspite of the vast amount of money he used in watering his said ambition. Wike's case will not be an exception. Wike is not fit to be Vice President. We don't need an uncouth and unrefined fellow as Vice President.

Meanwhile I am from Rivers state. A civil servant with the Rivers state government. Since Wike assumption of office no civil servant has been promoted. Not to talk of filing the vacuum brought about by the daily retirement of existing civil servant. Wike is a calamity. A disaster. Don't be deceived by the myriads of project he is executing in Rivers state. It is a conduit pipe to siphone our commonwealth. In the fullness of time he will be held to account for his abysmal 8years tenure.

So who do we need as V.P?

GidiCars:
Tinubu is a traitor, and would definitely pay for his traitorous acts.

Learn from history for without it, we have no context.

Death to nigeria, and to everything it stands for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDKXRt9JYPs

And how will these stop Boko Haramism, unemployment, killer Herdsmen and armed Banditry?

joyandfaith:
Olodo, you think everybody opposing Tinubu is Igbo. Yorubas would do Obasanjo and Mulikat for Tinubu. You would be shocked.

Start campaigning for the right candidate e.g Atiku/Obi or Tambuwal/Wike

joyandfaith:
Abiola did more than. Abiola won Tofa in kano. But those in their 20s would say otherwise and give excuses.
Where are team Osinbajo self? They are speechless.

There's absolutely nothing wrong in a citizen aspiring to the highest office in his country.


If you don't like citizen Tinubu, why don't you join the presidential race yourself or start canvassing for Atiku/Obi or Tambuwal/Wike?

conductor20000:
For not supporting a retired drug baron who put conduit pipe on Lagos state treasury as president?

Part of me really wants this Tinubu to be really president. If they told Katsina people that they will be protesting against insecurity and killings in their state while their own son is president, they wouldn't believe.

Please up Tinubu

Then support Atiku/Obi in 2023

athaboi:
Some APC strongmen don't want tinubu and they will stop him

Why are these APC strong men unable to stop Boko Haram, Killer Herdsmen, devaluation of the Naira, unemployment and armed Banditry?

OfoIgbo:
Their ancestors know more about their history than them.

Dakuku Peterside knows his heritage also

You are still making the same mistake.


Today, virtually Onitsha people identify as Igbos but there are many families whose ancestors came from Igala and Bini.

Similarly, the people of Sabongida Ora, Edo State identify themselves as Edo people but many families in the town traced their ancenstries to Yorubaland.


In summary, we are who we say we are.


Ethnic groups/tribes are artificial groupings.

michelz:
So have you conducted a referendum to determine who Bonny people say they are?
In the case of Nigeria vs Cameroon, concerning Bakassi, though majority of the inhabitants claimed they were Nigerians, how did the judgement go?

As at today, which ethnic group do the people of Bonny and Opobo portray themselves to be?

a) Ijaw

b) Igbo

The fact that we are having this discussion at all but we are NOT debating whether Enugu or Mbaise is igbo point to certain facts.

BeardedmeatR:
The richest ex governor built a house for his political associate, so what?
Akande reasons with his front teeth.

Pa Ayo Adebanjo was NOT Tinubu's associate but Tinubu's godfather.


Pa Ayo Adebanjo and the late Payment Ganiyu Dawodu made Tinubu Governor of Lagos in 1999.

Mstick:
Please tell me one of tinubu's wonderful ideas that fits into today's modern world.

Who is your preferred candidate that can solve the problems in the land?

Mstick:
You registered on nairaland in 2010, that's 11 years ago and I guess you're in your late 30's or mid 40's yes?

Your agemates are the ones leading in developed countries heck even people in their 20's are councilors in the UK where your darling tinubu sat for months undergoing treatment but you don't mind putting your future in the hands of a man that has NO NEW IDEAS because of the crumbs they throw to you.

Electing innovative leaders will do you good trust me, you don't need to laugh at a politician's unfunny joke, you don't have to hang around their houses from morning till night, you don't need to support them even when it's glaring that they are wrong.

Bros, learn to be more democratic sir.


1) If you don't like Tinubu for whatever ever reason, try to respect the rights of those who do.

2) You are free to support anyone of the several other aspirants.


3) Competence is NOT by age. Both Donald Trump and Joe Biden are far older than Tinubu.

The young Igbos online just discovered Bonny and Opobo!

9Pluto:
Ijaws are obviously later migrants to the delta who are emboldened by their success in absorbing/eliminating other tribes they met on ground.

Ask your ijaw friends why has it become almost impossible for them to provide a 19th century document Bonny people claim an Ijaw descent? Why?

You don't seems to understand the real meaning of ethnic Identities.


Ethnic Identities= who we say we are!



It doesn't matter who a British slave raider said their great-grandfathers were or even who their grandparents said they were but how the people see themselves NOW.


Ethnic Identity is largely a self-identity.

[quote author=Investigative post=108482317][/quote]What you posted talked about the activities of Ijaw sea pirates and NOT the ancenstral histories of the Ijaw people.

Someone in 2096 reading a 2010 Newspaper article about the criminal activities of fulani Herdsmen won't be reading a documentary history of the Fulanis.

Many young igbo irredentists inspired by the IPOB agitations for Republic of Biafra are trying to re-define the ethnic identities of many places along the southern coast on social media.



However, one major fact they forget to acknowledge is the PEOPLE concerned.


Do Bonny and Opobo peoples see themselves as Igbos in 2021?


You can NOT tell or know the history of a people more than the peoples themselves.

BKayy:
Proved by the Slave-Ship captains, and British people that based at Bonny in 17,18 and 19th century

What you posted described the activities of a group of Ijaw sea pirates and nothing about the ancestral history and origin of the Ijaw people.

Investigative:
ijawa are immigrants that recently migrated to Nigeria
I see no reason to argue with them
When they claim every indigenous people they met on ground are ijaw
Is the very laughable

Apart from your personal opinions, you didn't provide any documentary evidence that support this assertion that Ijaws recently migrated to Nigeria.





You can't know the history of a people more than the people.

Investigative:
Why should Bonny Call a bird igbo name and the same time claim otherwise

A word can mean different things in different languages e.g Obi (Igbo)= Heart.

Obi (Yor)= Parents

KoshCAD:
Okay.

Anything else to say mr OSU?

Stop embarrassing Enugu, the city where everyone is a self-made Billionaire without help from the Federal Government.

freeingzw:
Everybody see my mansion in Enugu!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKVAq9uSwXU&t=432s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8LoaqNQ14A

Are you trying to say that there are brown roofs in Enugu too?













The most resilient City in Nigeria can't have brown roofs.

DSC7:
Nigerians must never make the mistake of voting in another calamity in the person of BAT to pilot the affairs of this great Nation....


In senior Writer's voice:We need a Young and Visionary Leader....

Campaigning against a particular citizen is a waste of time and dissipation of energy.


It's better to campaign for the candidate you think can solve the problems in Nigeria.

deukpai:
If God keep you and I alive till 2023. I will love to bet everything I have with you that BAT will never be a president of Nigeria come 2023.


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The issue is not about Tinubu winning or not but promoting democratic culture by not abrograting the right of citizen Tinubu to run for the highest office in his country.

The Ohaneze secretary goofed by writing this open letter to Tinubu. He didn't think deeply about the anticipated and unanticipated consequences of such actions

nisai:
Why is no one advising Atiku not to contest?

Cc: AniOmaa, Laggafin, AsampeteNnwaanyi, PrinceOfLagos, gidgiddy and mrvitalis should answer this question sir.