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MetaPhysical:
PDP went from $35billion in 2010 to $67.7billion in 2014. This is almost 100% debt increment in one term. Where did 32.7billion dollars go?
They shared it!

This slowpoke doesn't understand what debt is and what role it plays in the economy.

Every nation , even rich nations borrow to stimulate economic growth. The theory is that a GDP increment of say $1Tr or even half a $Trillion would more than compensate for the mere $35b in additional debt.
In fact, in the early days of this administration, the former finance minister Kemi Adeosun is on record as stating that Nigeria's Debt to GDP profile was quite low. She was using that as a justification for Nigeria to borrow more money to fund the government.
It is on record that the period between 2010 - 2015 recorded unprecedented economic expansion in Nigeria.
Borrowing without commensurate economic expansion is what they call the Debt Trap. And this is where we are right now, and it doesn't look any brighter unless a new vision is thrust into the economic management of Nigeria.

senatordave1:
Is it not better you leave this illusion called restructuring,throw some support to buhari and when h wins,leverage on it to get power in 2023? Me and you know you wont get good governance from Atiku

With all due respect to you, I almost want to throw up on the words' throw some support for Buhari' ,' leverage' , ' get power in 2023'.
I don't even know where to start.

Let me start by saying that Buhari has been a plague in the Nigerian economic landscape since 1983. It was Buhari's reasonable mutiny in 1983 that transacted our maturing democratic nation , and thereafter plunged Nigeria onto a trajectory of precipitous woes one after another. This is not my opinion. This is fact. If you are old enough or have read enough, you would agree.
Buhari conned his way back to power in 2015 under the pretext of integrity. Well , 3 yrs has demystified him proper and his phantom integrity.Aside from being the most divisive, the most bigoted, the most aloof, Buhari has turned out to be the most incompetent excuse for a leader Nigeria has ever seen. Where do I start ? Is it the bloodsheding in every corner? , the unabashed NEPOTISM? , the daylight corruption ?, the corruption of the rule of law and democratic norms?, the election rigging ? the lack of transparency at NNPC?
In 3 short yrs, all standard of living indices have plunged to record lows.
And you suggest I show support for Buhari ,...so that ....what ?

Those of you that think Igbo presidency is such a big deal to Igbos are just being ignorant.
It is true that Nigeria is suffering from self- inflicted injury and scoring own-goals because there has been a deliberate and well orchestrated schemes to de-industrialize and render Igbos irrelevant in the economic and political scheme of things in Nigeria since after the civil war. It is important you understand that good governance, a stable and healthy economy is all that Igbo need to thrive, not Igbo presidency. Igbo presidency would not change anything for any Igbo or for Nigeria, unless Nigeria is restructured .

As for Atiku, he is not a saint. But Nigeria doesn't need a saint.Nigeria needs leaders with a broad mind, who understand pluralistic democratic culture, who value education, who understand economics and the economics of a functional education.
Say goodbye to Buhari and his 14th century mindset.

rusher14:
No more restructuring then.

Nigeria must restructure or die a slow inevitable death.The current system is a non-sustainable, self-deceiving sham. And every Nigerian knows it.

Atiku is using restructuring as a selling point for his campaign. Obviously restructuring has a broad appeal in all corners of the country, except amongs the feudal Northern elites.

Whether Atiku will follow through with restructuring is only would tell, politicians being what they are.

The electoral defeat of Buhari should be the first imperative.

afroniger:
Eziokwu. The same Atiku that said he was willing to sign an undertaking to do only one term is now changing story.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/08/2019-ill-sign-undertaking-to-do-one-term-if-elected-president-atiku/

It is very very Stuupid, extremely naive and delusional for anyone to ever expect, propose or even believe that any elected President would willingly serve one term in office just to appease another person or any group. It is the dumbest and most unrealistic expectation.
The one who expects an elected leader to serve one term in order to please him or his group or his ethnic group is the real idi.ot.
Southeast leaders should focus on how to immediately rescue this country first and foremost from the plague of Buhari , and stop all these silly , disgraceful antics.

The effort to defeat and disgrace Buhari should be TOTAL and UNEQUIVOCAL.

When it comes self- contradiction and speaking with both sides of his mouth at the same time, Dele Momudu is the indisputable world record holder.
His penchant for name-dropping and self- glorification is unrivaled in his attempt to be reckoned with as a journalist.

I almost want to throw up each I read his garbled , self-promoting nonsense.

For example, he starts by telling us how he worked assiduously for the election of Buhari in 2015, and then later in this same article , he wonders how Nigerians could have been conned into electing a man with such a horrendous economic management and human rights record .
And he writes all this without the slightest indictment of himself as a co-conspirator, and by logical extension, a con-artist himself.

Misterdhee1:
This alone summarizes your foolishness. What was promising in day light election robbery, massive corruption and bad governance that characterized our democracy from 1999-2015?

All available facts( Google is your friend) testify that the period between 1983 to 1999 was the worst years of Nigeria's socio-economic history, as Nigeria was plunge from precipice to another.

On the other hand, all available , easily accessible facts Attest to that the period between 1999 to 2015 was a re-awakening of sorts. Every single standard of living index started pointing upwards. Corruption index went down, GDP went steadily up year after year. Most importantly, the middle class mobility, the internationally accepted standard for economic progress, maintained a steady growth for the first time in over 4 decades.
That , my dear friend, was progress.
As we look back with tears at 2015, we will come to recognize the years 1999-2015 as the Golden Era of Nigeria's economic progress.

If you expect Buhari(2004-150 cows, 2008 -150 cows, 2011- 150 cows, 2015-150 cows) to be a beacon of economic progress, then you are clinically delusional.

deomelo:
PMB obtained a Diploma, now Masters Degree from the best and finest Military Institution in the world and these useless ipobs are talking about a measly certificate.


ipobs are the most useless, ignorant and unintelligent people on the surface of the earth.

Masters degree ko

A man who cannot articulate an idea in clear English, a man who cannot stand on a debate to articulate his vision, a man who cannot face the Nigerian media to speak and answer questions on pressing national issues.

It's obvious that Buhari had been gaming the federal character statutes throughout his life to advance through the ranks.
Even his military credentials are questionable. By dint of their training, military men are conditioned to take responsibility.
This is a man who takes absolutely no responsibility for anything, including his treasonable acts of 1983 that plunged Nigeria into a 16 yrs trajectory of chaos and desolation.
History has unfortunately repeated itself since 2015 till date. A once promising democracy is once again thrown into an abyss of chaos by this very same Buhari.

Shame on us if we allow this dishonest and shamelessly incompetent man to stay in power for another 4 yrs.

introvertme:
You can't replace a devil with another devil.

My friend, no matter what you think of Atiku, there is no comparison between Atiku and Buhari.

What is the main negative thing that people say about Atiku ? That he is corrupt ?
Now tell me, is Buhari not the most corrupt, the most dishonest, the Nigerian President most lacking in personal integrity in our history?

Buhari is the worst tragedy to befall Nigeria since 1983.
Should I give you the indisputable facts of this assertion ?

In a two-party presidential election, its either you are voting for someone or you are voting against someone. Millions of Nigerians who have seen their lives, their livelyhoods, their standard of living and dreams vanish over the last 3 yrs have no choice than to vote AGAINST Buhari in 2019.

ZombiePUNISHER:
Removing the murderous regime in power is top priority



Any other thing is secondary...


Atiku obi 2019

Exactly.
The statement from Ipob is self-contradictory. Who is the worst enemy, Buhari or Atiku ?
The answer is as clear as night and day .

Voting for a loaf of bread or even a domestic chicken is preferable for most Nigerians than voting for Buhari.

In this particular predicament, any votes not for Buhari's main opponent, Atiku, would translate to an endorsement and vote for Buhari. Buhari must be VOTED out of power.

I don't know why this simple arithmetic is so difficult for a lot of people to put together.

There is no such thing as love portion.


I have heard of love potions.

Buterflyle0:
Extremely interesting

I took time to analyze this from every angle and it kept coming back to his no referendum no election position.

PDP cannot afford to even have Nnamdi kanu throw his support behind them because that would mean they just signed their own death warrant by assuming the role of a biafran party hence pitching the other parts of Nigeria against them. The election would then effectively be between Patriots and non Patriots.

Nnamdi himself cannot afford to betray his own people after he took an open oath to their hearing that may he drop dead if he decides to betray Biafra.

Its a lose lose for PDP

The way people reason in this country just amazes me.
Igbos are not sheep, and have never shown any tendency towards sheeplike behavior.
Of course, all Igbos are very happy that Nnamdi Kanu is alive. But anyone thinking or speculating that Igbos will now vote for Buhari because Nnamdi Kanu is alive is completely narrow-minded and Stuupid.

Most Nigerians, including Igbos, would rather vote for a loaf of bread than for another 4yrs of Buhari.

Ategberoson:
where has your peripheral thinking as grandpa lead you to? where does it lead your region to


leaving your region huge serious issues for another region political tradition is absurd, senseless and baseless my guy


take your cries to your region

Gosh!
What type of system produces this kind of m.o.ron?

Ategberoson:
cry cry baby take your cries to bourdillion don't know why you're crying more than the bereaved


pls take this your unproductive article to sensitize your kinsmen in Yeast perhaps they would hold your leaders responsible to start developing it


crying over what doesn't concern you is a needless baby cry to me

Oh, Such a child.
Unable to think beyond the periphery.

Ategberoson:
shame should catch you that PDP had been ruling Abia state for over 16yrs and the states look like third war state yet you people loyalist wouldn't allow another govt takeover and develop it. if not for aba boys doing their innovative skills, no one will know Abia as a state exist



the same loyalist you've for PDP is what southwest had for Tinubu, he's our party conductor anywhere he goes will go. Yoruba unity won't kee you people untimely


you think a Yoruba will vote against their own son like you do in East. take your pity and childish talk to educate them in Abia state dimwit

As typical of knee-jerk reactions, you didn't give much thought to my querries, because, I assume , they elicited a small measure of emotional feelings within your subconscious. Shame perhaps ?

My post had nothing to do with PDP or APC. For your information, I voted for Tinubu twice because I thought then that he was a true democrat ,and by Nigerian standards, a good governor .
I also voted for Fashiola twice. I wasn't around to vote for Ambode, but I was ready to vote for him a second term because I thought he deserved a second term.
In the southeast , we have had perennial problems with political godfathers and wanna-be Feudal Lords. It's a continuing battle. Most wanna-be Feudal Lords cannot even hold forth in their villages and town.
Now, you may , as a free choice , have Tinubu as your Lord and master, and you, your children and family, his suppliant maidens.
I do reserve my own right to be shocked at the insult to the human dignity of a proud people that produced the likes of Gani Fawemini, Fela, Tai Solarin , Herbert Macaulay, and many other icons of freedom and liberation.

Willy7:
May God deliver us from poor judgments that would scuttle our chances of success. Honestly I'm deeply touched by his submission about Atiku. I got a whole lot of message from that. As for Tinubu, he is the owner of Lagos and its political structure.And by extention some SW states. His position is well spelled out, except OBJ just wanted to feign ignorance. God help the Nigeria electorates in her choice of president next year. Personally I'm troubled.

To all those Southwesterners who gleefully promote Tinubu as their god and master, I ask you;
Are you not a tad ashamed to say in this 21st century, that a man owns Lagos state and the surrounding SW states ?

So the Southwest of Nigeria, once the beacon of the anti-colonial movement, once the beacon of the democratic movement in Nigeria, has now, in this 21st century, surrendered themselves to be FEUDAL SERFS to a political mafia don ?

And you expect to be respected ?

WHAT A GREAT SHAME.

Ludicrous!!
Incredulous!!

This man is making YEYE of longheld sacred Yoruba traditions.

If was obviously a grievous error in selecting this confused bobo as the custodian of the most sacred aspects of Yoruba culture.
By the end of his reign, the entire spiritual and philosophical underpinnings of Yoruba culture and traditions would have been watered down to meaninglessness and absurdity.

hahn:
He is actually a Christian so the Yoruba gods have already been thrown down the drain

Another tragedy of misplaced priority.

I have great respect for Yoruba traditional institutions. But this current Ooni Of Ife is confusing me.
First it was a high milage Abuja chick, now a prophetess.
A prophetess of which god ? That's my question, considering that the Ooni is the chief custodian of Yoruba culture and traditional religion .

PastorAIO:
But it is very interesting to study the various races through their history and look for the periods of mediocrity and the periods of exceptional greatness and see if there are any factors that these periods share in common.

For me, there are certain common factors that I have noticed.

When a people are about to rise in greatness there is an attitude where they question Authority and will no longer be spoon fed by traditions.

-This can be found in Europe during the period called the Enlightenment when all traditions including religious and political were rigorously questions.

-This can be found amongst the Jews in the works of people such as Spinoza and Freud and Karl Marx etc.

- It can be found in Russia during the reign of Peter the Great. Czar Peter has a hard time trying to break the shackles of religious traditions.

On the contrary when an advanced people fall behind into mediocrity it is the opposite that happens.

-Perfect example would be the Persian Islamic civilization that was quite advanced until Al-Ghazzali came along. Al Ghazali sought to reinstate Islamic doctrine over philosophy in Persia. He wrote a book called Incoherence of the Philosophers which basically attacked philosophy. His influence was the beginning of the decline of Islamic culture and dominance in the medieval world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ghazali

In fact there is a thread that you can find among every advanced peoples and when that thread is lost or attack it also coincides with the decline of the people into mediocrity. This is the Tradition of Philosophic Enquiry. (I would argue that especially Hermetic philosophy).

The Egyptians had it and from them it passed on to the Greeks. From the Greeks the Arabs adopted it and they flourished. After the Arabs lost it the Europeans adopted it and then began to flourish. The Chinese have always had these traditions for centuries too.

Amazing!

Ahhhh ! The Hermetic Philosophy.

" The pre-eminence of any philosophy or tradition is measured by The (enduring)Quality of it's Output " -Manley P. Hall.

PastorAIO:
To put it more accurately, ..... Usury was a sin in Europe in the medieval days. Christians were not allowed to lend money with interest charges. Jews too, according to judaism, were not allowed to lend money at interest to each other. But there was an exception afforded to the Jews. They were allowed to lend money to foreigners at interest. This is how Jews came to dominate the Banking sector.

Deutoronomy 23:19-20
9Do not charge your brother interest on money, food, or any other type of loan. 20You may charge a foreigner interest, but not your brother, so that the LORD your God may bless you in everything to which you put your hand in the land you are entering to possess


Since Europe's expanding economy needed loans and christians were not allowed to lend to each other, the europeans turned to the Jews who were allowed in their religion to lend to foreigners. Even though Europeans attacked Jews and wouldn't let them get involved in most other trades they allowed them to do Finance. It so happens that that was the most powerful aspect of any economy that was handed to the Jews. as

Thank you Sire, as always, for your enlightened and much more elaborate explanation.

LordReed:
Who popularized it? Where did Europeans encounter and adopt it from?

You can argue all you want but this Jewish exceptionalism is a myth propagated by their central mythology book in other to maintain a mystique. Same way lawyers use Latin words to maintain their status as interpreters of the law. There is nothing special about Jewish people just as there is nothing special about our Igbo brothers, they simply apply themselves to their fields of endeavour and excel. Abi is Amadioha also proven to exist by "Igbo exceptionalism"?

In some parts of Igboland , we had the Osu caste system. The Osu were supposedly dedicated to gods, so lived in vast tracks of land dedicated to various deities.
Now, when the missionaries came , the Osu were the first to convert to Christianity and the first receive western education. Thereupon, they became the first lawyers, doctors, engineers , etc.

Now, armed with western education and vast tracks of uncontested tracks of land, the Osu became the first set of wealthy and educated elites in Igboland and long thereafter.
Now, with the op's logic, we can also infer that Osu exceptionalism can be attributed to their custodian deities to whom they were dedicated to in those precolonial days.

The Jews share a similar history.
In Europe, the jews were persecuted and excluded from the nobility. There were not allowed to be part of trade guilds. To survive, the engaged in everyday petty trading, taking advantage of every demand opportunities in buying and selling. Thereafter, they became the merchant class if Europe. And as with societies, the merchant class is the wealthy class. While still discriminated and excluded from certain occupations, they continued to build critical mass in trading. Saturated with accumulated wealth, they went into moneylending and goldsmithing.
As anyone who knows the origins and history of banking can understand, this gave them enormous power and leverage everywhere they were.
Soon , they were banking for the Vatican, kings and princes of Europe, lending them money, with interests, to fund their sectarian wars.
And lest I forget to mention, they jews were the first to adopt formal education as a necessity.

So , its easy to see how persecution from Christian Europe nurtured and sustained Jewish survival and exceptionalism to the modern day.

urahara:
1 . Arabs didnt invent Arabic numerals.it was invented by Hindu mathematicans.

2. I'm not talking about mere invention of numbers . I'm talking about being the pillars of the world . Governing every sphere to the extent that scientists carry out genetic tests to find out the reasons of their success.

Nonsense

LordReed:
Hello my good sir. Good to have you here.

Well I guess I just wanted to cover the bases.

You know, I was going over an exchange we had on one of my threads about 2 yrs ago, and I felt thoroughly ashamed of how aggressive and rude I was.
Therefore, I take this opportunity to apologize to you.

Hier:
5 senses

And bodily diseases are evidence of what type of perfection ?

LordReed:
If the universe is a deterministic one then yes evolution is "predetermined".

Greetings sir.
There is no evidence so far of a deterministic universe.

However,

LordReed:
If it is not then the results of evolution are a "fortunate" outcome of chance.

Everything we know so far shows overwhelming evidence that Evolution is based on outcomes of chance events.

Earthbound:
It has to be predetermined by a higher power. Dinosaurs evolved to what we have as poultry today. It had to be predetermined for survival of our race.




Do you think man discovered fire by accident? Or did man learn to walk on both legs, upright by accident? I think not. There's a higher power at play here. And no, I'm not talking about the Jewish god

Of course, there is a higher power.

The Toothfairy did it.

Hardeysolution:
Vice President Yemi Osinbajo has prophetically declared that Nigeria will be great again.The Vice President stated this at the 58th Independence Day Interdenominational Church Service at National Christian Centre, Abuja.

In what he described as a prophetic declaration over Nigeria, Osinbajo said that the season for Nigeria’s promotion and progress has come.

“This anniversary is an opportunity to bless our nation. This 58th year of Nigeria’s independence will mark a great new beginning of peace, prosperity, abundance.

“Nigeria, you will be exalted, you will not fall, you will excel, you will rise beyond the imagination of the world and you will be a pride to Africa and the world.

“This is the season of your exultation, Nigeria, the season of your renewal, season of your restoration.

“All that we have lost will be restored; where we have failed, we will succeed. We declared that deaths and destruction, every device of Satan have failed over Nigeria.”

Osinbajo also prayed for the family of the deceased pilot in the Nigerian Air Force jet that crashed on Friday during rehearsal for the celebration of Independence anniversary, Squadron Leader Baba Bello, and two survivors.

Prominent dignitaries at the event included: Wife of the Vice President, Dolapo Osinbajo, Mrs. Beatrice Ekwueme, wife of former Vice President, Victoria Aguyi Ironsi, wife of former Head of State, Chief Justice of Nigeria, Justice Walter Onnoghen, former Head of State, Gen. Yakubu Gowon, the Secretary to the Government of the Federation, Boss Mustapha, Head of Service of the Federation, Winifred Oyo-Ita, and former Head of Service, Ama Pepple, Chief of Defence Staff, Chief of Naval Staff,

Special prayers were offered for the progress of Nigeria and for God’s grace to enable Nigerians elect people with his fear and respect in preparation for the 2019 general election.

One hundred and twenty trumpets were blown in honour of fallen Nigerian heroes.

http://dailypost.ng/2018/10/01/independence-day-osinbajo-makes-prophetic-declarations-nigeria/amp/

Fxxing Bullshyt.

Uncle Osinbajo distributing his usual Unicorn Meat to his hungry zombies.

Nigeria will never be great as long as good people( that assume Osinbajo is) turn a blind eye to evil, nepotism and corruption , as clearly represented by Buhari and Tinubu.

What a very funny but sad Irony that while uncle Osinbajo is selling this bullcrap in Abuja, his government deaf and mute to the news of mass killings in Jos today, independence day.

HardMirror:
i have heard you. Sorry, but i just have to say my mind cos it baffles me why some ibos think we are competing with them. They think the apc issues is a general yoruba issue. I am asking those ibos a specific question, they shld answer me. If you cant answer because you aint one of them, then please can you just leave and let those i am addressing answer me?

You are very wrong.
There are about 40m or more Yorubas in Nigeria. The Igbo population is as much.

I can't see myself insulting the entire 40m Yorubas because of the rantings of a few people on an anonymous online forum.

Igbo is not a village. It is 40m people spread across 5 states. Igbos are as diverse in their views and opinions as you cannot imagine.

Only thoughtless people make general statements about other ethnic groups.

The online nonsense between Igbos and Yorubas should be seen as juvenile . I can tell you that it does not represent real life situations.

Now, it is a dysfunctional federal system that pits one ethnic group against another while the political elites sap the life out of this blessed and richly endowed Mario nation.
It is the dysfunctional political calculus that we must work together to correct.

HardMirror:
oga this thread is a response to those ibos insulting yorubas here calling us tinubu slaves and other names. If you are not one of those ibos, pls leave this thread and let me trash it out with those mofos who think they have an opinion and can insult the yorubas freely

My dear friend.
We have all types of characters on Nairaland.
You can't descend to their levels.
You have to set a lofty standard that they can aspire to.
I defend Igbo issues here on Nairaland.
But I do it without making a general derogatory references to any ethnic group.

HardMirror:
you assume too much. This thread is just a response to the non sense name callings ibos are making at yorubas. You guys think you can just be insulting yorubas abi?

Wow.
And I thought you were more thoughtful than this.

So basically, you're saying that because some anonymous monikers on Nairaland insult Yorubas, you have taken it upon yourself to condescend to their level and fight them at their own lower level ?
C'mon man.
You have dissapointed me.
Intelligent people do not condescend to make two wrongs a right.