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gregyboy:
Leave d igbo guy to be talking nonsense

They are yet to prove d titles benin used before tge arrival of whitemen

That is not for me to prove. Y'all first said the Yoruba didn't use oba until the last century. That has been proven on this thread to be an ignorant lie.

All that we're asking is for you to also prove that you used oba pre-1900. At this point no one is saying you didn't. Just prove it. The way the Yoruba have proved theirs.


I am amused at the fact that you keep bringing up my ethncity as if that has any bearing on anything. I am a historian. Ethnicity has nothing to do with who can study history and who can discuss it.

gregyboy:
And my screenshot wss what

You are bittered towards we benins


And you cant hide it


So you mean benin never had title for his king
Before they adopted oba at the given year

Can you hear yourself and what you support

So the benin king was titlesss good one brilliant
Guy


Because the oba of benin wasnt always addresses by the title oba then he never had a title


Modafuka igbo man

How is it possible for anyone to be this stupid? How?

The quote from Consul-General Philips does not contain the word oba. The word oba appears in the rest of the footnote, and was written by the author of that particular paper deep in the 20th century.

Modafuka igbo man? Lol. Okay. I will sha insult you because you don't have sense, but I won't drag your ethnicity into it.

gregyboy:
The word oba was used in yoruba but benin introduced it to them through it influence from Eastern Yoruba, the word oba means king and it was not used as a generic title for kings until 1930

Did you read my previous comments


Guy you shouldn't be here you're igbo so stay clear off


Before you stick your mouth while not wait till the debate is over


Am still checking d pdf for its validation

And we benins never said dey never used d world before 1930 we said we brought the word oba to them through eastern Yoruba


So if the yoruba own the word oba how did it get to benin if i may ask

Oh please, shut the fùck up with the "You're Igbo, you shouldn't be here" tripe.

Also shut the fùck up with the "We introduced the word to the Yoruba" nonsense, unless you have concrete evidence to back it up. Over 400 years of written records before 1900, and you can't even find the word 'oba' in just one of the records. Nigga, please.

gregyboy:
At 1882, nigeria was already been formed as a country the process was already going on and the British were many years in Yoruba land already



So a writer referring the monarch as oba in 1882 was normal, at 1882 the yorubas have already united for political gains so common words were already shared from eastern Yoruba to western yoruba

And the title oba was only the most renowed name for king in the then nigeria because of the influence of oba of benin, so she using the title oba for Yoruba king was not from yoruba knowledge but from her own independent knowledge


The British renamed oba of lagos from eleko n eko, not because oba of lagos was the name but because the name oba was already known for king in nigeria


So calling the yoruba kings obbas was her own decisions from a renowned name for king in benin

This is goalpost shifting at its worst. Initially you people said the Yoruba didn't use oba pre-1900. Now that you've seen evidence from 1882 you want to change mouth.

Meanwhile, I have seen two Yoruba dictionaries from 1852 and 1858 respectively that contain the word oba.

Rossnitti:
Judicial System

It is a known fact that the Nok’s judicial system pre-dates the western judicial system. The Nok people created classes of courts used for adjudicating cases from minor civil cases, such as family disputes and false allegations, to criminal cases such as stealing, murder and adultery. The people believed that every crime attracts a curse which was capable of destroying whole family and therefore must be uncovered to avoid the consequences.


The suspect was brought before an open court for traditional oath taking, which involved standing between two monoliths facing the sun, the most supreme god called Nom. The suspect then swore to tell the truth. Cases that cannot be resolved in the open court are taken to the high court which sits within an enclosed shrine.

The court was presided over by the Chief Priest and various clan heads. Anyone found guilty was fined goats and chicken for sacrifice to the gods and local wine for the chief priest. The town would then declare a day of celebration on which the people would thank the gods for their graces in successfully resolving the issue and averting doom for the people.

Everything we know about Nok comes from archaeology. We don't have written records or oral tradition about them. We don't know who they were, or what language they spoke. All we have are artifacts and tools dug from the earth.

So how did the writer of this article come to know the name of their god (Nom) and details about their judicial system?

Lol.

If you think this didn't happen everywhere in precolonial times, then you don't know history.

Bkayyy:
I don't think so. Anaedo was fully independent. Mr man, remember Nri never conquered anybody and Igbo clans were autonomous.
The only clan that was crowned by Nri was Onitsha. No other person

You people still do not understand Nri hegemony and how it functioned.

No one is saying that Anaedo wasn't fully independent. All the towns in which the Nri operated were fully independent. Nri was not an empire.

Nnewi came within the field of operation of Nri agents from Nri. Ask the elders or read the history of Nnewi by John Alutu.

Juliusmalema:
Originally when the Igbos or Ibos settled in the present day Eastern Nigeria, they arrived with three leaders, two were spiritual leaders and the youngest of the three a hereditary King known as Obi a King by birthright. The first was the Eze Nri of Awka a Priest King, the second the Eze Aro of Arochukwu a King and the third the Obi of Nnewi a political and war ruler. The Obi of Onitsha was well qualified to become an Obi being disputably the first among the two sons of....


The Aros know this history (Nnewi being a relation and a leader among the Igbos) and this is part of the reason why there are no Aro settlements in Nnewi.

This is how you know people that don't have a grasp on what they're talking about. They copy and paste from Wikipedia. Which one is Eze Nri of Awka?

Bkayyy:
This is from Wikipedia. Nevertheless NRI never crowned Nnewi. Nnewi was actually the first Igbo clan to be lead by an obi. Nri was just the spiritual capital, nothing more

Nri agents from Oraeri were involved in title-taking in Nnewi in the old days. There's no need to deny this.

FuckThaMod:
Tampering with a tradition that has been there for centuries is a wrong move!

I suppose you're also not happy that human sacrifices and twin-killings were stopped too.

OP, you should be aware that the more you people make taunting posts like this, the more other Nigerians lose respect for your people (i.e., the Igbos.)

I don't know how difficult it is to just ignore people and groups who do not want to identify as Igbo. It is not as if they even add significantly to your number.

Lol. Someone now said if you can't afford 10 to 20% tip you shouldn't eat out. Classic American thing. She got that 10-20% thing from America, no doubt.

Lol.

So I'll go to Mama Nkechi's bukka down the road, eat 300 naira food (with one miserable looking piece of ponmo) and tip her on top the 300, because wetin happen?

These people are bourgeois Nigerians, and they're out of touch with the way majority of Nigerians live. Nansense.

See, all these bourgeois Nigerians should stop trying to make something the norm here because it is the norm in some First World country. That shit is annoying AF! We are not the same as them. The vast majority of us make far less money than they do in the West. Plus services here generally suck!

Tipping is an American thing. The British don't even tip like that. You tip if you want. Na for America tipping dey almost mandatory. In America sef, there's a certain percentage you tip; if you go below that percentage, you're seen as cheap.

I have paid for the services rendered. Giving anything extra should be entirely up to me. And if I don't give that extra, it is totally fine; like I said, I've paid for the services rendered.

Why does the title of this post say IPOB? Is the woman an IPOB member? Is the man interviewing him an IPOB member?

Why are some of you so bent on making IPOB a perfect synonym of Igbo?

JerryLekki:
I like this your point.

I haven't see Yoruba people forcefully telling Itsekiri that they are Yoruba even though the Itsekiri acknowledge that they have Yoruba origin

In Professor Akintoye's book "The History of the Yoruba People", the good prof included the Itsekiri as part of the Yoruba erhnic group. How is that different from what the Igbo do vis-a-vis the Ikwerre?

shaneroberts26:
Because they were /are blacks. They don't want you to see their flat nose.
All thanks but no thanks to the white supremacists.

Lol. All you hoteps are funny. Look at the sculptures in the photo. From the bridge of their noses and the stumps, you can still get a very good idea of what the noses looked like. If the noses were intentionally cut off to hide the 'fact' that they were flat, the cutters didn't do a good job.

onyfrank:
The ancient tree of Abriba, Okpuachi Fell down , as padlock and chain found beneath.

Freedom at last

What do you mean by 'Freedom at last'? Were the people of Abiriba under bondage before the tree fell?

davidnazee:
Well it seems Igbanke only have 2 choices: Merge with Great Edo or be lost in Biafra.. no other option for them..

No. There's a third option. Merge with their Anioma kith and kin in Delta State and be neither Edo nor Biafra.

Ballack1:
I don't know why Olugbo of Ugbo Kingdon stood at the center in this pucture.Ooni of Ife or Alafin of Oyo should be at the center

Well, he claims his ancestors were in Ife before Oduduwa came; and that by virtue of that he is senior to the other Yoruba ọbas.

Do with this information what you will.

Afam4eva:
I watched a clip where Governor Nyesome Wike when talking with Dele Momodu on Instagram made a statement that IPOB renamed Oyigbo to Obigbo. growing up in Port-hacourt in the 90s, i've always known that place to be called OBIGBO because when you stand on Aba road, you hear conductors calling passengers going to Obigbo and Aba. So, i'm shocked that he's claiming that Oyigbo is a new invention.

If Nyesom said this, then it is really really disappointing. I have a PhD thesis written by an Ogoni man in the '60s or' 70s, and he wrote it as Obigbo.

The history of Obigbo is not shrouded in mystery because the town was not even founded in pre-colonial times. It was laborers from the Owerri axis that moved down early in the 20th century and founded Obigbo on land that belonged to another Igbo group, the Asa.

How people want to pretend that this history doesn't exist and that Igbo people are trying to forcefully rename an Ogoni territory is very very strange.

sylve11:
You do not know what you are saying...........

That is what their traditions say though.

I am in Nsukka. I wish the OP would have told the full story. An Hausa man pulled a knife and stabbed a Keke driver over a simple argument. Stupid move. In the ensuing rampage, I didn't hear that one single Hausa man lost his life. I saw burnt mosques and schools belonging to Northerners though.

The remarkable thing is that today, I went inside the campus to get a few things, and the Hausa men who made mai shayi and indomie with egg, and the other group of Hausa men who repaired and polished footwear are still there, going about their business unharrassed.

I wonder if Igbo men would return to their businesses so quickly if it had been the other way around.

God help us all in this ije Nigeria that we are in.

Nigeria is not a melting pot anything. We may all be in the same pot, but we've stubbornly refused to mix.

Tell me another story.

You people and all these dick-measuring contests. Always looking for reasons to claim some sort of 'superiority' of one traditional ruler over the other.

Y'all did this same thing when Sanusi was removing as Emir. Talmbout how this would never happen to this Oba or that other traditional ruler.

Listen, when the people are angry enough, ANY palace can be stormed and desecrated. ANY palace. Read your history.

How can you say Bayelsa is homogenously Ijaw and still admit that there are Edoid speaking groups there?

Even the language of the Ogbia is not Ijaw.

Edeyoung:
You guys are not seeing it, bro only strangers can, d biafra thing is always lingerie on you guys, and your comments


If not you guys wont be packing here and insulting our oba, like idenna guy is doing

If you know the person that insulted your oba, carry your anger/rant and go and meet him. I did not insult your oba.

And don't bring Biafra to my comments again. I'm not a Biafran. Learn to stay on topic.

You said nobody forces Igbanke people to use Enogie. I respond and say that this is not entirely true. Next thing you are ranting about Biafra. What shall we call this nonsense now?

Edeyoung:
You Igbo are really getting on people’s nerves with this your Biafra issues and causing more damage to yourself than good

I support Biafra but una Dey use am Dey disturb
Everybody even port harcourt his hating on you guys now

Make una chill

I'm still trying to come up with a name for this special kind of madness that causes you people to rant about Biafra to me when I am not even talking about or supporting Biafra! Like, what the hell is wrong with all of you?!

Edeyoung:
Lol, we also didnt force igbanke to have enogie.

I hope you know an Igbanke chief who went by the Ika title of Orike-Eze was embarrassed over his use of a non-Benin title at the Palace of the Oba when he went to pay homage. You cannot rule out the element of compulsion in the use of the title of Enogie by Igbanke traditional rulers.

In fact, many of them use Eze or Obi and only use Enogie in their interactions with Benin.

The kind of faith supposedly educated people have in jazz will never stop being funny to me. Lol.

Lol. Waiting for his birthday to share palliatives? What level of narcissism is this?

That his nickname SOB fit am true-true. Son of a Biitch.