₦airaland Forum

PaChukwudi44:
biblical citation needed

The basic discord here is distribution. People who have a problem with tithing want to take the responsibility of distribution. But you are not bringing to God what you are giving out. Tnere are a lot of scriptures about giving to the poor. But tithes are soecifically to be brought to God's House and entrusted into the hands of the Levites, the priests who distribute based on instruction.

You simply cannot say to government, I have bought a transformer or built a road in xyz location so I will not pay my tax or because governor xyz rides a limousine I will not pay or decide for government what it shoukd or should not spend money on. Tnere are mechanisms for that but the obligation remains clear. The kingdom of God operates that way. Every Christian has financial responsibilities detached from individuals or even churches. Your responsibility is towards him and his kingdom aboveevry other thing or person.

When the gospel came to Africa in the old ages, it came on the back of kingdom responsibilities. I am certain there were tons of poor people in Europe then but folks gathered the little they had to sponsor missionaries round the world. Today the reverse is the case, the gospel has to go round the country, round the continent and back to europe where it is faltering. How do you get this done when you refuse to tithe.

I come from a family with ultra strong ties to the church. We know how these things work over several generations. Forget about those who misue and abuse it. It is not a pastors' meal ticket. It is not a business deal with God. It is borne out of conviction to see the gospel prosper and we don't think a minute of its efficacy.

Follysho707:
Thunder from Daddy FREEZE freeze ur stinky mouth.

Abuse all you like, its not your money and you can do absolutely nothing to stop real Christians from expressing their absolute obligations in their love for their church and their God. Absolutely nothing. This is the best you can do. Nothing.

Sapiosexuality:
Too many thieves protecting their interest. If the typical Nigerian Christian was smart or even understood 50% of his faith, this won't be happening. Thieves on suit. Criminals who destroy and break homes with fake prophesies.

To the society of Christian sheeple who are still scared of damning these high level rogues you can still give that tithe to your poor neighbors, beggars on the street, motherless babies homes, prisons. Just help people in need around you. Please.

Stop enriching people who are out to rip you off. Stop helping rogues depopulate this ailing country of goodwill. Stop helping fake visionaries destroy your life and homes. Take back control. You are a God and I don't mean that in the metaphoric sense.

http://www.mortalpoet.com/brothers-beggars-street-tithe-church/

Tithes are not for the poor, simple. It is to build the church. It is to expand the kingdom of God and we are satisfied more and more people are getting to hear the gospel by every means. Alms to the poor is a different account. It was, is and will ever be. Preaching the gospel and giving to the poor are not the same thing. All the tangetial moves to erode the finaces of the church will not work, period.

Our tithes go to buying lands, renting buildings, paying salaries, printing inspirational materials, buying air tickets, bus tickets, fuelling power plants, buying time on radio and tv stations, maintaining websites. It is oatronage by those who desire to see the word of God reach out to yet another man and as long this is being done we are satisfied to continue paying.

Judas the thief did not discourage other disciples from following so any thief who is stealing in God's kingsom now certainly won't. An act of tithing is an obedience to God by faith, not an act to man by fear so no amount of propaganda will stop a man of faith. For if such a man received the gospel by the means of another surely another will receive the gospel by his means.

I received my salvation at a 'Full Gospel Business Mens' convention many years ago. I was invited. Someone paid for my dinner. Today I have no right to decide otherwise because of one fellow who knows little about what true Christianity is and hasn't shared in the experiences of many.

Just put a glass ceiling above your life. Now there are many folks you will never meet, places you will never go and timelines that can never prosper you anymore... for what return....

We have a responsibility to give ourselves the best chance in life. If not for ourselves, at least for those we love and those that care about us. What a selfish, self serving way to live.

Ezenwa in goal for world cup...hmmm...bookies go dey give 'no clean sheet' odd of 1.00000000001. Meaning dat even if you put all the wealth of your future generation na only one naira go drop say de boy no go chop goal.

Why United v Brom. Are the gunners not playing that day or do the organisers wish to avoid 'complicating' Mr Henry's visit by turning it into a townhall for disgruntled fans.

Sad that the police uses underhand tactics though I don't support the scrapping of SARS.

Sad that the police uses underhand tactics though I don't support the scpping of SARS

Just loving it. Real pollitics has started. Can you see why an opposition party is required in a democracy. Now the electorate should sit back and let the missiles fly between the two super powers. The people will surely be the winners here. My only hope is they keep 'ethno-reliogisity' to a minimum.

deomelllo:
Is this not what the PDP/Regional party did in Abuja yesterday?

Hypocrisy.

That's what I've been saying. That the PDP is losing its pan Nigerian identity. Read my posts on this matter since yesterday.

onatisi:
pdp presidential ticket race is gathering momentum
and surprisingly many many nigerians are very interested in the affairs of pdp
this wouldn't have happened if the present apc government had performed creditably
but here we are now ,every one wants to know and see who pdp will present as their candidate
the expectation is high ,to be honest apc has virtually done all the campaign for pdp through their performance

You can say that again. This is the beauty of democracy. If not for the Modu Sheriff distractions the APC would have been sweating salt by now. Its all good. Better late than never. I hope they play the role of opposition properly from now going forward. Constructive criticism and torrential political pressure.

chronique:
it's like these people's brains,have been used to eat roasted bolle and yam. the north wanted to back a candidate from the south west but their foolishness did not allow it work as they had several people wanting to be the chairmachairman from that zone,at the same time. the south south and south east,supported a single candidate and reached out to other zones for support whic they got;what then is the problem of the yorubas? on the other hand,if you go round the entire south west,you'd find out that none of these states have a pdp government(apart from ekiti). it makes more sense that the chairman should come from a zone where the pdp is strong and active.

I beg to disagree. Buhari went to Kano to confirm his 2 million votes are locked down....before official campaign starts. He is unlikely returning there till he is sworn in again. Doesn't need to so he can channel resources to states with threadbare following. In politics you build your camp in outposts where you can snipe at your adversaries and pick off disgruntled votes. The PDP has little traction in the west. What is it doing with a south-south chairman. What is it going to do in the south, preach to the converted?. With Wike, Udom and Okowa you don't need Secondus. But in the run up to 2019 the APC bus will ride some rough road too and some oranges will invariably fall off. A south-west chairman should be there for rich pickings.

For an opposition party to beat an incumbent party midterm is monumentally difficult. To do so it will have to make in roads into hostile territory just as Trump did in some democratic strongholds against Hillary. Alienating PDP west leaves the PDP with no foothold there whatsoever and to sacrifice a whole region in a general election is a guaranteed loss. All the APC needs to do is reach 50 percent in the north and Buhari returns.

Buhari will do better than that.

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NgeneUkwenu:
The almajiris in the North have already started addressing PDP as a regional Christian party...

PDP defeat in 2019, will be epic!

You've started stoking the embers of ethno-religious sentiments. That smells desperation pal. To be a champion you myst contest and win. What is the fear of the APC, haba. You're ruling. This propaganda is unnecessary. We want to see a contest. Let the ideas roll in and the debates begin. Stop all these primodal acts. This is 2018 knocking.

plusfield:
Apc is issuing a statement based on another party's convention. Let apc organise their own elective convention and see if it wont mark the beginning of the end of the party.
Everybody knows that apc is more of a regional party than pdp will ever be.
I told somebody that if buhari and tinubu leave apc to form another party, apc will die the same day. But there is nobody in pdp whose exit will mark the end of pdp. Thats how you know a well grounded party

Agreed too. The APC is a lot more fragile and with a glass jaw should not spar.

Agreed, it is increasingly looking like a regional party, far removed from its roots but much more cosmopolitan than the APC if not why will Mazi Bolaji be appealing for converts.

Alaska90:
My brother its difficult for me to even reply the woman. There so many lies in her attempt to rewrite history. The Aworis have been in Lagos area before any other group of people including ijebu, bini, ondo etc came to Lagos.The woman said Lagos was an extension of Bini Kingdom ( another big lie). So if this was true, then the ijebus, ondos, ilaje and other group along the way to Lagos from bini were at one time under bini empire too, but this never happened (no historical data to supprt this). Oyo empire controlled most present Yoruba land even up to Dahomey in present day republic of Benin. The dahomey king was even paying tax to Oyo empire at one time (historical fact).

Another lie that is common is that Lagos was a military camp for bini empire ( ). But the question is military camp for which war? war with Oyo empire or with who? The true is that bini kingdom never had military capability for such expedition.The books are there for people to read but they wont my brother.

And who wrote those books....who won't have a biased view of history. Sorry, the origins of Lagos remain unclear. I think the answers may lie somewhere in the libraries and imperial archives in London and Lisbon.

seunmsg:
Would you have reacted this same way if Buhari had worn this same shoe?

Atiku is the adopted candidate of the Igbo race, what is bad in him wearing Aba made shoe to show solidarity with his new friends? He has also been talking about helping the youths and giving them more opportunities. Why can't he use the PDP platform to display shoes made by Nigerian youths from Aba instead of the foreign LV?

Why did Mr. Prudent not send his children to BUK and KSU in identifying with the talakawa. Why London. And then tells us 'whoever can afford it should' in the midst of a foreign exchange crisis. My friend, this argument has no winner. Taking sides is pointless. Politicians are all hypocritical so it is better to sit back and let them strip themselves na.ke.d than risk your dignity trying to separate their fight.

policy12:
...#Freethesheeple no go see this one talk, but if na one pastor na they will say he is too expensive, but a polithiefician can do it no problem.

Abi oh. They will be talking about tithe payers. Now they have forgotten about tax payers who are compulsorily ripped off to fund politicians. To them it is only the church that has poor folks who cannot afford to go to schools established by government or Atiku's university for that matter

hmm...at least he doesn't claim 'to have a shoeless past' in the past or borrowed to buy his nomination form. He does admit however that 'Nigeria has been good to me..' whatever that means...

ghanaman5050:
Atiku vice will be Yoruba .

You'd want to think that way because the past president came from the south and the present government has the north/west combination so to match that and having the east in reserve means a sure win but how can you ignore the east in the 'first eleven' , the region which has been solidly behind the PDP and has become the poster child for political oposition and suffered much for it. Then the question, who does the PDP have in the west than can carry such weight. Fayose?....not a serious candidate and cannot make headway in that region.... another heavyweight political defector ofthe mould of a Fashola.... very unlikely and it means both President and Vice would be defectors.... dangerous and unsavoury.

But like I said earlier a choice of an eastern veep will mean all principals are from eastern Nigeria, Atiku - north east, Secondus - south south east. This is the divide Nigerian politics is facing in 2019 and once again I say, the eastern flank of Nigeria does not hzve the demographic numbers to win a general election. The election of Secondus may be deserved but is not expedient and could be costly to the PDP eventually.

bane for Kamoru...rewaya.....bong for Morufu....panebita and bang for musbau my man of years gone by who thought hybrids had something to do with having a lot of kids.... just love lexus...

Wallade:
Good news there, so we may have Northern man presidential candidate, SE Vice Presidential candidate and SS Party Chairman. Let us see out it pans out in 2019.

PDP cannot win that way. They are still not ready for power at the centre.

SouthEastFacts:
The North after endorsing and deceiving Prof Adeniran turned around and abandoned him.

SW Region, after stepping down and choosing Prof Adeniran as a consensus candidate turned around and abandoned their own brother.

Now, our great party is now firmly in the hands of SS/SE/North.

Very unwise.

Wow...December blues....Christmas came early for Pep and co.

MdRabx:
I'm very shocked myself that somepeople criticize Buhari and this administration yet they re beneficiaries of either Npower, Youwin, the infrastructural projects going on in all the states except some States where the State governors re not responsible and credible, the School feeding program, the country economy is growing and boko haram has been reduced to its bearest minimum, the administration that don't associate or influence State elections example AnambraStateElection.. why re we too impatient in this country.. longlive Buhari and nothing can stop him from being re elected come 2019

So with all these why is he afraid of elections. Real Madrid won the Champions League last season. PSG messed up biggie against Barcelona. Real Madrid says, 'I am shocked PSG intends to contest for the UCL this season despite their debacle. In fact I'm surprised they still have fans despite their failure..'. Does this make sense to you. Is this what a democratically elected President should be saying...

Then it shows that sir, you need to be educated about what democracy is and am afraid as the President you appear to be too emotional, a tad sentimental and not introspective at all. For to tow this line it may mean you too may invariably be destroying the chances of the very APC you lead post your administration because you too have made a lot of mistakes.

But what I suspect like all your predecessors have done is you've institutionalised yourself rather than the process by which you ascended thus you find it amusing anything can challenge your position but the beauty of democracy is that you have just one vote and everyone else has a choice as to whether you will return in 2019 or not so the amazement is kinda...bemusing.

May I remind you that Barak Obama was elected President and did fairly well despite the scandals surrounding the Clinton era. May you also know that Donald Trump has been elected despite the gaffes and garbage or the Bush era. May I also remind you that it is not Goodluck Jonathan you will be facing at the polls in 2019. Can you just get on with governance and let us choose who leads us.

bigpicture001:
that lady is a liar,her dad tried to abuse her,sh was scared and dint run to police or relative, the fear helped her to get plenty money and the fear made her enter into the desert of mali..tru nyt and days with plenty strangers who probably bleeped her..nd landed her in libya,while targeting to be In italy..haba! ante you can lie oooo

You lie against someone you don't respect. Add the bit that the mum 'forbade her return empty handed' clearly shows where the problem is. They are parents in name only, in practice however they are pimps and the truth is that the subsubculture of sending ones wards off to find greener pasture is what is at play here.

And until government begins to address families as accomplices rather than victims can we begin to turn a corner on this greed induced, disastrous flight to fancy nightmare.

Like I always say poverty is a mental experience. The thought process that can make a lady promise to pay a whole 200,000 to flee which can start a lot of profitable small scale businesses here in our shores need to be checked.

The thought process that says a dangerous and arduous journey of uncertainty is better than the dangers and stress on success back here is real.

The thought process that says the shame of slavery, the loss of dignity, the humiliation of rape is more worthwhile than that of humble beginnings pursuing legitimate dreams is profound.

The thought process that says a gamble across the desert and med sea is better than any risk taking in Nigeria is in itself their definition of poverty.

janellemonae:
Smh.

All these clandestine meetings. Just to force a candidate. This was how APC kept having meetings to choose a senate president till they got saraki'd.

Why not just wait for the general vote? Must every process be manipulated?

That is what I said a while ago. For the PDP
to be rebranded it must the cleaved cleanly from its past. Unfortunately this has not been done. I think and they continue to prove that 4 years out in the political wilderness is not enough time for there Moses to find the 'burning bush'. If they are not ready soon Nigerians are better off reelecting the APC. The Sheriff debacle took too long to straighten out.

What is with this government and the rise of ethnic nationalism. Everywhere you go people are asserting their tribes and tongues above national cohesion. This is a ticking time bomb. The conciliatory skills of the government are very poor. They just find it difficukt to find consensus anywhere which is the hallmark of democracy be it in the Niger-Delta, the fulani herdsmenace, the Biafran seperatists, labour unions and now this. Its all threats and violence on people they call their citizens. Its just so sad. How can thus nation move forward with such diametric aspirations.

Good work from customs. They should send the chow to the IDP's and incinerate the rest.

jrusky:
Sure. It's payback time but this time it will be much more brutal.

I really pity Hell Rufai + Mugu or Magun of EFCC + Amaechi they will all rotten in underground yard.

Keep watching. I'm no pdp but apc make me to love what I hate because of their failure and wickedness for this reason anything that will kill apc is what I stand for, apc must die by all means.

Very unwise thinking. The wrong in the APC or PDP is about the individuals in it, in charge. So rather than wish for an institution to die support those who fight for a change within. This is the limit of my support for defections, cross-carpeting, etc. It shouldn't be so deep as to gut out one in favour of the other. I still believe two parties of equal strengths and bipolar ideologies remain our best chance of creeping forward under this structure. Donot desire the death of either.