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As long as he is kept away from leadership positions in Nigeria we're good. Any country or organisation that wants him can have him.

ellaV:
U see why biafra need to get head?people wey they produce the whole resources wey,Nigeria they survive on no feed chop na aboki men n o yes members go dey flex am...obj,tinibu etc chop nobody talk but jona chop everybody dey shout,no be them get oil,for once e no go eat from am? may God help us

Such an i.d.i.otic statement, it had to have been farted from an a.nus. You are probably one of the people that campaigned for Ibori to be released after he had stolen the wealth of his people. You people truly disgust me. Today there was a news report about a child being killed by generator explosion, and some people do not have the imagination or foresight to tie up such a death and many others like it to the undeniable result of poor leadership made worse through corruption encouraged by citizens like yourself. Utterly disgusting. Keep playing this your silly game of "my thief is holier than your own", you are too myopic to see it for what it is - a race to the bottom.

Ask yourself what percentage of looted money (regardless of who looted it or where the looter was from) has benefited the masses? Shame on you.

It wasn't good enough to release before elections but it is good enough to release now? Pardon my sceptisism but I smell manure. I can't take that report seriously without the suspicion it has been tampered with, that is what you get for not being straightforward, you lose people's trust.

Sad. That is the cummulative cost of poor leadership in Nigeria. The ammount of blood that is on the hands of our leaders past and present . . . . only God knows.

Sweetguy25:
Nigerians and delusion. Some countries have power and security but with a GDP of less than 500 billion dollars.

And those are the ones you would want to compare yourself with, what a retrogressive bunch you lot are. State the population of those countries and the sort of resources they have, then tell us why we should be using them as the benchmark and not countries like Brazil or Indonesia or Singapore? Elections have come and gone and progress is here to stay, get over it already, what a child . . .

Once power and security are fixed that figure can easily be beaten.

Sorry but what is really your point? If you are saying we need strong insitutions then I don't think anybody would disagree with you but what has that got to do with Buhari and the vital role a presidency can play in building a country (insitutions or not)? Or are you saying we should have continued with this directionless president?

Bring on the tribunals, I can't wait. It is time we begin to develop a society where there are consequences for actions. We can't keep tolerating uneccesary loss of lives and impunity all in the name of do or die election mentality. Rivers and Akwa Ibom election in the tribunals, let us go there. We need to drag Nigeria into the 21st century at all cost and make free and fair elections a default state of affairs.

PPAngel:
Shatap there

What has the first black president of america done for Africa?

The likes of George Bush did more good for Africa than this liar and fraud.

From Nigeria to CAR, south Sudan, Mai, Congo DRC , the Obama adminstration unleashed wars.

In Guinea, Liberia and Sierria Leone he unleashed pestilence!

The man is a traitor to Africa.

Because he was voted in president of Africa? You people and your silly victim and entitlement mentality. That is why the world doesn't take you seriously. Everybody has to do everything for you because you cannot do it for yourself. Why do african countries trade more with europe and america than they do among themselves.

Which one is "mourning"? Did people not vote him in? Absolutely no sympathy from me, some people just need to learn that there are consequences for certain actions and at the end of the day you have to lie on the bed you made. After whining about Orji being the worst governor in the history of Nigeria you went to go and vote for his stooge and a well known failed party. Hope he performs, if he doesn't that is your business.

I hope Buhari has more sense than to listen to all these demands being made by touts who are only worried about their stomach. How many projects has the NDDC or Ministry of Niger Delta completed, their building itself is not even completed. We have those two seperate entities and people are still complaining of east west road and port harcourt airport is still not complete. Let us be honest, the people who run those parastatals are crooks. Orubebe, Wike, Patience and the like, that is their personal bank account.

Buhari would be wise to ignore all their threats and focus on making life better for the everybody, majority of whom do not benefit from these parastatals and the massive corruption they oversee. For these parastatals to continue there has to be SERIOUS reform in which politicians are completely removed from it and it is run by technocrats. Right now they are just a joke.

johnny1980:
I am not as foolish as your fellow compatriots who believe it's right to mock anything.
Comedians may have made jokes about the events leading to 911 and not the numerous people who died from such actions. Do you know what psychological damage that would do to the families if such is made?
You actually don't understand what freedom of speech is. You just don't open your mouth and say anything. There's a law preventing racial slurs and hate speech. Also it's commonsense not to make jest of people going through a trying time. It's inappropriate and utterly disgusting. There's no universal rule on morals. They may think making such caricature of people is morally right and justifiable. Then i guess you shouldn't cry foul when some zealots kill their journalists and term it their own Freedom of speech .

You people trully are tiresome. Again I ask, so where would you draw the line? And what makes your line on decency more legitimate than the lines of others? If you can't expand the debate then please move on, it is quite tedious reading your sermons.

johnny1980:
You would do well to keep your mouth shut. Even when the depiction of the Prophet caused a lot of problems, the Pope made a reference to the fact that "you can't abuse my mama without expecting a punch to the face". This is no satire but hate speech.
The world is not a vaccum where your supposedly simple actions don't have repercussions. I guess a satire of the deaths of their journalists on the frontpage of the New york times would be a "lovely and funny thing" to see. Ain't it freedom of speech? Or satirically depicting the several dead people in Nepal now due to the earthquake is a "funny and interesting" to do.
You aren't a progressive or appear to be enlightened if you can't detach yourself away from situations and look at things from the opposite angle. We are all good with satire and can make fun of eachother. No one has a monopoly of spreading "hate speech". Call a spade a spade. This publication of theirs is unwarranted and should be termed "hate speech and racial slur" by all right thinking people.

And no one is stopping you from making an attempt (however poor it might be) at satire. This is the price you pay for freedom of speech, you cannot please everybody or avoid offending some people. And by the way, American comedians made jokes about 9/11 not too long after it happened. How far should the censorship go? Should the fact that some people on the other side of the world revere an image automatically mean banning people on the other side of the world who DON'T revere that image from producing it? You people are funny. The fact that you think you can and should effectively police what people say is absurd. The difference between that vision of the world and North Korea or Saudi Arabia is not as wide as you might think.

Sweetguy25:
Are you trying to say that votes Buhari received were due to patriotic reasons or from patriotic Nigerians?
Are you also trying to say that there were no irregularities in voting processes in areas where Buhari won massively?
Are you also telling me that if GEJ(as an incumbent) wanted to massively rig the elections to his favour, it wouldn't have been possible?

People make choices for different reasons but a good swathe of the support Buhari received were from people who were not happy with the way the country was run, the election was a referendum on Jonathan and PDP. On the other hand you have people like Asari and co who agreed the country was not being run well, but still chose to continue supporting the status quo regardless. I know who I would see as patriotic among the two groups. Would not be too surprised if there were some irregularities in states Buhari won, but it was in the Niger Delta that you had the violence and deaths, and that says a lot.

With regards to your last point, I think if you feel we have to thank Jonathan for not using the full power of the state to rig his way into power (which he did try), then you are simply making the case for why we should all be relieved that PDP and Jonathan lost, and yes that position is unpatriotic.

"Thank you PDP for not taking much more lives than you could have taken or using the fuller extent of the state to rig your way into power against the overwhelming will of the people for change, you deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for that".

Some people are unbelievable.

noordean:
He should av done the opposite right?

LOL, the reasoning of some people will shock you. This is why I say PDP will never learn the lesson of the election, they are too shallow of mind and unpatriotic. That is why you have some of his supporters proposing him for Nobel prize and President of the year and such rubbish, ,for simply accepting that he lost the mandate of the people despite all the rigging and fraud of his party. When people call Nigerians stupid now they will be the first to take offence.

frodobee:
He was too soft man, and he messed the whole sh'ii up.

No, he was a failure. This is why I know PDP are not ready to learn the lessons of the presidential election, they are not ready to tell themselves the truth. Nigerians who voted in Jonathan in a majority with so much goodwill and promise four years ago were the same ones voting him out and the only reason some people here can come up with is "he was too soft". Keep deluding yourselves, you will never learn and grow.

Sweetguy25:
The hypocrisy Nigerians exude is utterly disgusting. If Jonathan's government was corrupt and under performing, then why did he get majority of the votes from south south and south and south east? Weren't they feeling the corruption and poor performance? Or is there something else that persuaded them to vote for GEJ?

Yes. Industrial scale vote rigging and voter intimidation based on the myopic tribal reasoning that "he is our son and it is our oyel", you will not rewrite history so soon. Why was Jonathan going on an apology tour during his campaign of the Niger Delta region? Even Donald Duke challenged him on his underperformace in the region at one of these tours. Asari lamented that he had not done well earlier in the year (but kept supporting him because of his 'anywhere belle face' mentality), MEND even supported Buhari against Jonathan. So what are you talking about? Some of the South East may have legitimately given him the full vote but that is their business. There are different reasons the outcome of this election was not challenged by PDP, they knew they lost regardless of all the rigging and voter intimidation and fraud and knew they had no moral authority to legitimately challenge it.

Vivly:
Its a shame people like T A orji are allowed to still contest and win senatorial election. I thought it was time for a change in Abia yet the godsons are already carrying their patrons legacy.
I wish Buhari sues Orji.

If Buhari has no reason to sue Orji I don't understand why he should. Buhari is not some Father Christmas that saves people from stupid decisions and it is high time people start living with the consequences of their actions, it is the only way people will ever learn. When the rest of Nigeria is progressing and they are still playing petty and myopic politics in Abia and complaining about PDP then maybe it might sink in. Again; hopefully he performs. We all want Nigeria to develp afterall.

As long as the election was free and fair (which it seems to have been bar a few incidents). I am personally done feeling sorry for people who choose to make such decisions. People have been shouting Orji is evil, Orji is the worst governor in history, Orji this, Abians will teach Orji a lesson, Abians would never stand for this. Well, Abians just extended Orji's relevance again, so much for the "progressiveness" of Abians. You make your bed and you lie in it, if you keep voting in failed political parties then shoulder the consequences. Hopefully he performs. Anybody who keeps voting in PDP and being shocked at PDP delivering what PDP is known for has themselves to blame.

The people are behind you.

Wsdm:
When are they also going to send a message to Americans and its allies for bombing soveriegn countries just for selfish reasons? Or is that one not also bombing? I am waiting for them to do a 'message' on the child molestation in the vatican;then i will take them to be liberal 'messangers' . Only Islam and Blacks are allowed to be mocked in a 'free press'.

And you know these things haven't been covered because? Stop being lazy, you can easily find out, no one is your servant and going to do it for you.

I thought they were egging her on before; this is why sycophancy is not good. What cowards, they couldn't tell her and the husband the truth before, it is now that they lost thay they are lamenting. By the way this is not all on Patience, PDP and Jonathan collectively FAILED Nigerians. In reality Patience was just the salt on the injury.

ezeagu:
This was a satirical piece about the deaths of hundred of people. Hundreds of people who did nothing, and to take that and add a satirical spin like a 'family reunion at the bottom of the ocean' while depicting the victims in racist caricatures is just not amusing. It's not attacking a particular ideology, it's simply a cynical view from a group of people who do not identify with the suffering of black people. To argue against that is to support racists.
Now your point about 'fat' becoming micro-aggressive is ahistorical, Europeans lock up and kill African immigrants till this day, in the olden days the Nazi party used the same racist caricatures to recruit Germans ("Negermusik" ).
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That is how this is aggressive. These things are never harmless jokes. They always end up with people being attacked because their image has been slandered and dehumanised. How about you don't humiliate people who are already a minority.

Satire is inherently facetious . . . . . . . that is why it is satire. You make it sound as if Charlie Hebdo is out to get black people and I find that laughable, Charlie Hebdo make fun of everything and everyone. Again, nice little moving speech you wrote up there, but it is not relevant. You still fail to explain where the line should be drawn on decency and what makes your line more legitimate than others. You can extrapolate "micro agressiveness" to almost anything and at the end of the day it seems you are claiming we legislate on decency. And that is extremely unworkable, unnecessary, and counterproductive to the whole idea of free speech.

Again, nobody is being forced to read Charlie Hebdo. You don't go to read a well known controversial magazine you are likely to take offence at and whine about being offended, it is just irritating. This is a small magazine, not le monde or le figaro. You make it sound as if they espouse main stream views. If you don't like Charlie Hebdo, don't read Charlie Hebdo; majority of people in France dont.

Yasher:
what do you call a newspaper that was banned for mocking the dead president of its country of origin?

"Charlie Hebdo" is NOT banned in France.

Yasher:
Those who know, know that charliee hebdo is a lawless group of people with no regard for any religion or leadership. Yet some fools in Niger republic were burning churches over an offensive cartoon published by a company who have mocked Jesus Christ more than any other character in history.
Shey because na French mean say na Christian abi? Oya now see...

They are not lawless. They have been dragged to a French court before and were deemed to have done no wrong in the eyes of the law.

ezeagu:
You obviously don't know what violence is then. This is what is known as a microagression. If you think there are no repercussions to satirising the deaths of hundreds of people including children (they even drew a baby on the mothers back) while employing racist stereotypes and imagery then you must not be well versed with Europe's history. France is a very hostile country to black people in general. The country regularly harasses and locks up African immigrants and to add insult to injury a major publication like that is making fun of a major tragedy.

Pictures such as these magnify France's general attitudes to black people, they are not people who are to be valued and they are dehumanised. They can be used as jokes, even at times of great suffering. Stop making this seem like this is an unconnected isolated issue. Jokes like these are embedded in the countries wider ideological and moral framework. It reveals what a very large percentage of France thinks of Africans and it leads to people being killed and beaten up on the streets. The FN gaining momentum in France isn't a shock then.

It makes me wonder how people like you would probably see no wrong in the 'Je Suis Charlie' march or have any comment on how such marches are underlied with racism and make a hostile environment even more hostile for immigrants in a country where they are pushed to the margins, but you can defend this as freedom of speech because you want to seem "progressive". This is how I know you do not have experience with direct racism, or if you do, you're an apologists, because if you did you wouldn't be trying to play a 'liberal post-racial negro' card with me.

Certain sections of French society have issues with Africans sure, just like pretty much every european country. And you think clamping down on satirical magazines solves the issue? I see all you wrote there and it is moving an all, but it is misplaced because it doesn't answer the question. Where would you legally draw the line, and what makes your line more legitimate than the lines of others? You want to claim this causes "micro aggression"? How far do you want to extrapolate? Because there are a whole list of other things I can claim cause that as well, does that mean we scrap those all too? Seriously . . . are people only just realising we live in an imperfect world? I don't get these attitudes especially coming from someone who I assume has lived in Nigeria where people say almost anything. Soon you will claim using the word "fat" causes micro agression towards rotund people and should be banned.

Once again, this is Charlie Hebdo and not Le Monde.

pheliciti:
Great, it's freedom of speech. But why is anti Semitic speech not classified as freedom of speech too? It definitely means that certain speech offend some people's sensibilities. The fact that the offended people are in the minority does not make racial or religious abuse right.

Speech that directly incites violence is seen as illegal, and this doesn't. The particular anti-semitic law in France is understood in the context of European history but that does not ban the use of satire or satirical approaches to frame discussions about Jews or Israel. Just so you are clear on that.

Secondly I think we are throwing the word abuse too flippantly, offence may capture it better and that is the price you pay for freedom of speech, the right to be offended. This unicorns and rainbow idea of a world where you go through life without being able to be offended by anything is what I don't get. People have different views and different ways of expressing it. Or would you rather have a police state where free speech is heavily censored and big brother up there goes through everything you consume and takes away the naughty parts that might cause you to feel sad? Then the issue becomes, what line do you use to measure the boundary of decency. And another problem presents itself, everyone has a different line. I think the line on inciting violence is a good one to stick with.

BTW, Jews are a minority in France as well, heck I might be wrong but you might even have more minorities from the Magreb than those who are Jewish.

ezeagu:
You're incorrect. You probably don't live in a country where you are different and are made to know it.

Where I do or don't live should not be your concern, the issue here is freedom of speech. That picture up there is not calling for violence over a particular group of people or any such thing. It is a satirical picture in the style Charlie Hebdo is very well known for, I mean, what were you expecting their take on the issue to look like?

My problem here is people who go about looking for ways they can be offended, then continuing on to express horror at said offence when their expectations have been met. You are not being forced to read the magazine and it is not even under huge circulation, ironically the terrorist incident only made the magazine more popular. My take is, spare us the "righteous anger" please. You can NOT look at the picture if it offends you so deeply.

Nigerians and their misplaced sentimentality. Since when did accepting election defeat after trying to rig regardless become making sacrifice? Anyway, for a people who contracted amnesia and started glorifying the poorly performing Yar Adua government two months after his death, this should not come as a surprise. Anyone can become a hero in Nigeria, you just have to wait long enough (and apparently not too long either).

It is their brand of satire and no one is forcing you to read it.

luvinhubby:
Something needs to be done to make a statement agsinst this & the recall is the first among many.
And what has image got to do with some zulus killing & stealing from your own because they are successful in their land?

Because obviously not all immigrants are viewed equal, some are viewed more favourable than others. The anger was against foreigners yet when you look at the "foreigners" attacked they seem to come from particular countries so it would seem to me not all foreigners are equal. Does this excuse the killings? No. But I think there is a larger discussion to be had about poorly run countries rich in resources and "potential" like Nigeria that render a huge number of it's citizens as economic migrants due to poor conditions back home. And no, that "giant of Africa" thing chiefly due to our population does not pull as much respect as you think. It is one thing to be noticed and quite another to be respected as a nation. Again, not condoning the massacres.

And what would recalling of envoy do? Peope have to respect you for recalling of envoy to be a big thing. . . We need to work on our image as a country and charity definitely begins at home in that regard. Until Nigeria is cleaned up no one is taking it seriously.